Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[Syriusly]

Y

Yet Christians have argued that the Bible does instruct Christians to discriminate.

It was a common argument during Jim Crow days all the way back to the days of slavery.

The Southern Argument for Slavery ushistory.org

It was an argument for segregation- even as ministers said that segregation was not discrimination

Is Segregation Scriptural by Bob Jones Sr 1960 A Time To Laugh

Yes- the founder of Bob Jones University explaining why it was scripturally correct to exclude blacks from the University.

I would agree that there is nothing in the Bible which says that people should be discriminated against because of their skin color.

But lots of Christians have said the Bible says just that.

People say a lot of things, not just Christians. My point is it is not a Christian doctrine. Condemnation of homosexuality is.

LOL....thats what Christians always say when they oppose something.

Lets talk about that 'condemnation of homosexuality' as a Christian doctrine.

I will assume we are not speaking of Leviticus- because that is the Old Testament and if we go with Leviticus you should be condemning lots of other things that you aren't.

So lets stick with the New Testament.

Where is homosexuality condemned in the New Testament?

Clearly Jesus never mentions it.

Jesus specifically condemns all adultery, and specifically condemns remarriage after divorce as adultery, EXCEPT in the case of adultery by the wife(not the husband).

Do you spend as much time condemning divorce as you do homosexuality? It doesn't get much more explicit than the words of Jesus himself:

8Jesus replied, “Moses permitted divorce only as a concession to your hard hearts, but it was not what God had originally intended.9And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery—unless his wife has been unfaithful.d”

Where is homosexuality 'condemned' in the New Testament?

Really only in Romans

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So God puts men who have sex with men in the same category as the 'inventors of evil things' and those ;disobedient to parents'

And boasters and the proud.

It has been my observation that those who most condemn Homosexuality based upon Biblical claims, rather cherry pick what Biblical condemnations to promote.

And just like the issue of race- Christians have been willing to use the issue of homosexuality to promote discrimination against a group that they just think should be discriminated against.

You forgot First Corinthians 6:9-10.

My bad- forgot that one that told Christians not to file lawsuits with other Christians.

1When one of you has a dispute with another believer, how dare you file a lawsuit and ask a secular court to decide the matter instead of taking it to other believersa! 2Don’t you realize that someday we believers will judge the world? And since you are going to judge the world, can’t you decide even these little things among yourselves? 3Don’t you realize that we will judge angels? So you should surely be able to resolve ordinary disputes in this life. 4If you have legal disputes about such matters, why go to outside judges who are not respected by the church? 5I am saying this to shame you. Isn’t there anyone in all the church who is wise enough to decide these issues? 6But instead, one believerb sues another—right in front of unbelievers!

7Even to have such lawsuits with one another is a defeat for you. Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that? Why not let yourselves be cheated? 8Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers.c

9Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, 10or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. 11Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Are you opposed to drunkards being able to legally marry?

You don't believe scripture.

I don't believe in the divine nature of scripture.

I do believe that there are lots of scriptures written down.

Tell me about how you advocate against allowing remarriage after divorce.

 

[koshergrl]

Learn about religious freedom in America.

Religious freedom is not infringed upon by public accommodations laws. You can't use your religion to discriminate against blacks or Muslims and in some places gays.

oh,so separation of church and state is right out the window when convenient for you eh SeaBytch?

Nope...it's quite safe. If you wanted to discriminate against blacks, can you using your "religious freedom"? No, you can't.

There's the race card. How convenient. There is nothing in Christianity that instructs Christians to discriminate because of skin color.

Not true. Racist bigots are just as sure of their bible verses as anti gay bigots are.

The racist bigots who use the bible to support racism are in my experience primarily left wing moonbats.

 

[Skylar]

If you live in a small town, everyone knows your business. You don't have to tell anyone, they know.

The gay couple asked for a wedding cake. The business sells wedding cakes. All they had to do was sell the cake and they chose not to, which violated the state's public accommodation laws. You don't get to pull the religion card when you want to discriminate against a group of people.

Nobody has "hijacked" marriage, for pity sake. Civil marriage exists in this country and it does a lot of things for couples. You wouldn't deny a gay person a driver's license because they are gay, why would you deny a marriage license issued by the same authority?

Yes...until about a decade ago, marriage has been "just for straights" ...but at the time of the founding, voting was only for rich white men. Should it have stayed that way just because that's the way it was at the founding? "Tradition" said that blacks couldn't marry whites until about 50 years ago. Guess that is a tradition that should have stood as well in your book?

You see, you can't speak without pulling the civil right card in which wasn't originally intended to cover all these things, but you as a group have figured it all out upon how to use a card to cover your movement also haven't you? The cake baker wasn't just asked to bake a wedding cake, but was instead asked to bake a customized cake for a gay couple, in which undoubtedly was a foreign concept to the baker, because he hadn't been tested to go against his faith and beliefs that counter such things in his life I would imagine, so instead of the gay respecting his religious view on life, he instead would rather the baker be shut down and ran out of town on a rail, and so I ask you where does it all stop on trying to destroy the Christians in this nation, and where does respect return for each others beliefs in this nation again? It doesn't, and so there will always be winners and losers in these things, and depending on who runs the government I guess will determine such things in the future.

Nice try on the small town analogy, but I think that if the gay would have just went in and purchased a wedding cake without customization being involved, then in no way would the cake baker had refused the person to purchase a cake without the request of customization being involved. Like I said there are test being conducted all over the place, and we have seen a preview of these test being conducted, and you know what ? This nation with the media of today is also the same as a small town, and the people know what is going on in all of this stuff.

There are test being conducted, and we see these test being conducted, and it's not only concerning this issue, but a more broader test is being conducted in this nation on many issues, traditions and standards, and these test are to see how the Christians can be placed in a box in this country now, because Christians are offensive to all who are conducting these test. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Nonsense.

This is a civil rights issue.

How does ones sexuality, and the flaunting of that sexuality become a civil rights issue for someone ? I mean that is what it is all about isn't it ? .

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

And where does the Bible prohibit gay wedding cakes? I've read Leviticus. It never mentions wedding cakes.

 

[koshergrl]

LOL, thanks for admitting that you are Christophobe.

Meanwhile,I don't need a law to tell me to serve every person who has cash.

Nope, just want equality. Intolerant Christians get to discriminate against me....I should get to return the favor don't you think?

Um you're wrong SeaBytch, I dont want anyone to discriminate against anyone, I simply want the government to mind their own fucking business.

The same EXACT situation with how I feel about gay "marriage" I don't want gays "marrying" , but it certainly is no concern of the governments.

And OF COURSE you would have the same right to discriminate as anyone else.

Narcissistic much? I didn't say YOU...I said intolerant Christians. Guilty conscience?

Jesus was an intolerant Christian, huh.

He wasn't...he would bake the cake. It's not Jesus that has the problem, just some of his fans.

Yeah, like he "baked the cake" on the temple steps.

He flogged the pigs away from the temple. Jesus wouldn't bake the cake. He wasn't about submitting to depravity, ever.

 

[Skylar]

Religious freedom is not infringed upon by public accommodations laws. You can't use your religion to discriminate against blacks or Muslims and in some places gays.

oh,so separation of church and state is right out the window when convenient for you eh SeaBytch?

Nope...it's quite safe. If you wanted to discriminate against blacks, can you using your "religious freedom"? No, you can't.

There's the race card. How convenient. There is nothing in Christianity that instructs Christians to discriminate because of skin color.

Not true. Racist bigots are just as sure of their bible verses as anti gay bigots are.

The racist bigots who use the bible to support racism are in my experience primarily left wing moonbats.

I don't account your experience as amounting to much.

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

Learn about religious freedom in America.

Religious freedom is not infringed upon by public accommodations laws. You can't use your religion to discriminate against blacks or Muslims and in some places gays.

oh,so separation of church and state is right out the window when convenient for you eh SeaBytch?

Nope...it's quite safe. If you wanted to discriminate against blacks, can you using your "religious freedom"? No, you can't.

There's the race card. How convenient. There is nothing in Christianity that instructs Christians to discriminate because of skin color.

Not true. Racist bigots are just as sure of their bible verses as anti gay bigots are.

Christophobic bigot.

 

[Syriusly]

If you live in a small town, everyone knows your business. You don't have to tell anyone, they know.

The gay couple asked for a wedding cake. The business sells wedding cakes. All they had to do was sell the cake and they chose not to, which violated the state's public accommodation laws. You don't get to pull the religion card when you want to discriminate against a group of people.

Nobody has "hijacked" marriage, for pity sake. Civil marriage exists in this country and it does a lot of things for couples. You wouldn't deny a gay person a driver's license because they are gay, why would you deny a marriage license issued by the same authority?

Yes...until about a decade ago, marriage has been "just for straights" ...but at the time of the founding, voting was only for rich white men. Should it have stayed that way just because that's the way it was at the founding? "Tradition" said that blacks couldn't marry whites until about 50 years ago. Guess that is a tradition that should have stood as well in your book?

You see, you can't speak without pulling the civil right card in which wasn't originally intended to cover all these things, but you as a group have figured it all out upon how to use a card to cover your movement also haven't you? The cake baker wasn't just asked to bake a wedding cake, but was instead asked to bake a customized cake for a gay couple, in which undoubtedly was a foreign concept to the baker, because he hadn't been tested to go against his faith and beliefs that counter such things in his life I would imagine, so instead of the gay respecting his religious view on life, he instead would rather the baker be shut down and ran out of town on a rail, and so I ask you where does it all stop on trying to destroy the Christians in this nation, and where does respect return for each others beliefs in this nation again? It doesn't, and so there will always be winners and losers in these things, and depending on who runs the government I guess will determine such things in the future.

Nice try on the small town analogy, but I think that if the gay would have just went in and purchased a wedding cake without customization being involved, then in no way would the cake baker had refused the person to purchase a cake without the request of customization being involved. Like I said there are test being conducted all over the place, and we have seen a preview of these test being conducted, and you know what ? This nation with the media of today is also the same as a small town, and the people know what is going on in all of this stuff.

There are test being conducted, and we see these test being conducted, and it's not only concerning this issue, but a more broader test is being conducted in this nation on many issues, traditions and standards, and these test are to see how the Christians can be placed in a box in this country now, because Christians are offensive to all who are conducting these test. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Nonsense.

This is a civil rights issue.

How does ones sexuality, and the flaunting of that sexuality become a civil rights issue for someone ? I mean that is what it is all about isn't it ? .

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

Sort of like saying- if you want a black wedding cake then go to a black bakery- or a jewish wedding cake- go to a jewish bakery.

I will just point out once again- your argument is with the law- not with me. You can hold whatever discriminatory beliefs you want to hold.

But you can't break the law just because you can claim it violates your religious beliefs.

 

[koshergrl]

oh,so separation of church and state is right out the window when convenient for you eh SeaBytch?

Nope...it's quite safe. If you wanted to discriminate against blacks, can you using your "religious freedom"? No, you can't.

There's the race card. How convenient. There is nothing in Christianity that instructs Christians to discriminate because of skin color.

Not true. Racist bigots are just as sure of their bible verses as anti gay bigots are.

The racist bigots who use the bible to support racism are in my experience primarily left wing moonbats.

I don't account your experience as amounting to much.

Embrace your ignorance, then.

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

oh,so separation of church and state is right out the window when convenient for you eh SeaBytch?

Nope...it's quite safe. If you wanted to discriminate against blacks, can you using your "religious freedom"? No, you can't.

There's the race card. How convenient. There is nothing in Christianity that instructs Christians to discriminate because of skin color.

Not true. Racist bigots are just as sure of their bible verses as anti gay bigots are.

The racist bigots who use the bible to support racism are in my experience primarily left wing moonbats.

I don't account your experience as amounting to much.

You're irrelevant.

 

[Syriusly]

You see, you can't speak without pulling the civil right card in which wasn't originally intended to cover all these things, but you as a group have figured it all out upon how to use a card to cover your movement also haven't you? The cake baker wasn't just asked to bake a wedding cake, but was instead asked to bake a customized cake for a gay couple, in which undoubtedly was a foreign concept to the baker, because he hadn't been tested to go against his faith and beliefs that counter such things in his life I would imagine, so instead of the gay respecting his religious view on life, he instead would rather the baker be shut down and ran out of town on a rail, and so I ask you where does it all stop on trying to destroy the Christians in this nation, and where does respect return for each others beliefs in this nation again? It doesn't, and so there will always be winners and losers in these things, and depending on who runs the government I guess will determine such things in the future.

Nice try on the small town analogy, but I think that if the gay would have just went in and purchased a wedding cake without customization being involved, then in no way would the cake baker had refused the person to purchase a cake without the request of customization being involved. Like I said there are test being conducted all over the place, and we have seen a preview of these test being conducted, and you know what ? This nation with the media of today is also the same as a small town, and the people know what is going on in all of this stuff.

There are test being conducted, and we see these test being conducted, and it's not only concerning this issue, but a more broader test is being conducted in this nation on many issues, traditions and standards, and these test are to see how the Christians can be placed in a box in this country now, because Christians are offensive to all who are conducting these test. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Nonsense.

This is a civil rights issue.

How does ones sexuality, and the flaunting of that sexuality become a civil rights issue for someone ? I mean that is what it is all about isn't it ? .

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

And where does the Bible prohibit gay wedding cakes? I've read Leviticus. It never mentions wedding cakes.

Maybe its in the section where it says not to eat shellfish?

 

[koshergrl]

You see, you can't speak without pulling the civil right card in which wasn't originally intended to cover all these things, but you as a group have figured it all out upon how to use a card to cover your movement also haven't you? The cake baker wasn't just asked to bake a wedding cake, but was instead asked to bake a customized cake for a gay couple, in which undoubtedly was a foreign concept to the baker, because he hadn't been tested to go against his faith and beliefs that counter such things in his life I would imagine, so instead of the gay respecting his religious view on life, he instead would rather the baker be shut down and ran out of town on a rail, and so I ask you where does it all stop on trying to destroy the Christians in this nation, and where does respect return for each others beliefs in this nation again? It doesn't, and so there will always be winners and losers in these things, and depending on who runs the government I guess will determine such things in the future.

Nice try on the small town analogy, but I think that if the gay would have just went in and purchased a wedding cake without customization being involved, then in no way would the cake baker had refused the person to purchase a cake without the request of customization being involved. Like I said there are test being conducted all over the place, and we have seen a preview of these test being conducted, and you know what ? This nation with the media of today is also the same as a small town, and the people know what is going on in all of this stuff.

There are test being conducted, and we see these test being conducted, and it's not only concerning this issue, but a more broader test is being conducted in this nation on many issues, traditions and standards, and these test are to see how the Christians can be placed in a box in this country now, because Christians are offensive to all who are conducting these test. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Nonsense.

This is a civil rights issue.

How does ones sexuality, and the flaunting of that sexuality become a civil rights issue for someone ? I mean that is what it is all about isn't it ? .

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

Sort of like saying- if you want a black wedding cake then go to a black bakery- or a jewish wedding cake- go to a jewish bakery.

I will just point out once again- your argument is with the law- not with me. You can hold whatever discriminatory beliefs you want to hold.

But you can't break the law just because you can claim it violates your religious beliefs.

Is homosexuality a race, or a religion?

No?

Okay then. It's a behavior.

One could actually exclude homos from a place of business from a health standpoint.

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

You see, you can't speak without pulling the civil right card in which wasn't originally intended to cover all these things, but you as a group have figured it all out upon how to use a card to cover your movement also haven't you? The cake baker wasn't just asked to bake a wedding cake, but was instead asked to bake a customized cake for a gay couple, in which undoubtedly was a foreign concept to the baker, because he hadn't been tested to go against his faith and beliefs that counter such things in his life I would imagine, so instead of the gay respecting his religious view on life, he instead would rather the baker be shut down and ran out of town on a rail, and so I ask you where does it all stop on trying to destroy the Christians in this nation, and where does respect return for each others beliefs in this nation again? It doesn't, and so there will always be winners and losers in these things, and depending on who runs the government I guess will determine such things in the future.

Nice try on the small town analogy, but I think that if the gay would have just went in and purchased a wedding cake without customization being involved, then in no way would the cake baker had refused the person to purchase a cake without the request of customization being involved. Like I said there are test being conducted all over the place, and we have seen a preview of these test being conducted, and you know what ? This nation with the media of today is also the same as a small town, and the people know what is going on in all of this stuff.

There are test being conducted, and we see these test being conducted, and it's not only concerning this issue, but a more broader test is being conducted in this nation on many issues, traditions and standards, and these test are to see how the Christians can be placed in a box in this country now, because Christians are offensive to all who are conducting these test. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Nonsense.

This is a civil rights issue.

How does ones sexuality, and the flaunting of that sexuality become a civil rights issue for someone ? I mean that is what it is all about isn't it ? .

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

Sort of like saying- if you want a black wedding cake then go to a black bakery- or a jewish wedding cake- go to a jewish bakery.

I will just point out once again- your argument is with the law- not with me. You can hold whatever discriminatory beliefs you want to hold.

But you can't break the law just because you can claim it violates your religious beliefs.

Yes, I can. Your law violates my CONSTITUTIONAL rights. Round and round you go.

 

[koshergrl]

Nonsense.

This is a civil rights issue.

How does ones sexuality, and the flaunting of that sexuality become a civil rights issue for someone ? I mean that is what it is all about isn't it ? .

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

And where does the Bible prohibit gay wedding cakes? I've read Leviticus. It never mentions wedding cakes.

Maybe its in the section where it says not to eat shellfish?

Travel to the Midian desert and chow on some shellfish and see where that lands you, before you scoff.

 

[Skylar]

Nonsense.

This is a civil rights issue.

How does ones sexuality, and the flaunting of that sexuality become a civil rights issue for someone ? I mean that is what it is all about isn't it ? .

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

Sort of like saying- if you want a black wedding cake then go to a black bakery- or a jewish wedding cake- go to a jewish bakery.

I will just point out once again- your argument is with the law- not with me. You can hold whatever discriminatory beliefs you want to hold.

But you can't break the law just because you can claim it violates your religious beliefs.

Your law violates my rights. Round and round you go.

So said the segregationists. The argument didn't carry much water then. I doubt its going to hold much more water now.

 

[Syriusly]

Nonsense.

This is a civil rights issue.

How does ones sexuality, and the flaunting of that sexuality become a civil rights issue for someone ? I mean that is what it is all about isn't it ? .

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

Sort of like saying- if you want a black wedding cake then go to a black bakery- or a jewish wedding cake- go to a jewish bakery.

I will just point out once again- your argument is with the law- not with me. You can hold whatever discriminatory beliefs you want to hold.

But you can't break the law just because you can claim it violates your religious beliefs.

Is homosexuality a race, or a religion?

No?

Okay then. It's a behavior.

One could actually exclude homos from a place of business from a health standpoint.

You aren't exactly strong on logic are you?

Religion is a choice- and a behavior
Race is not
Sexual preference may or may not be a choice- and may or may not be a behavior.

Marriage is always a behavior.

I remember people advocating excluding blacks from business's from a health standpoint also.

Pretty much for the same real reasons.

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

How does ones sexuality, and the flaunting of that sexuality become a civil rights issue for someone ? I mean that is what it is all about isn't it ? .

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

Sort of like saying- if you want a black wedding cake then go to a black bakery- or a jewish wedding cake- go to a jewish bakery.

I will just point out once again- your argument is with the law- not with me. You can hold whatever discriminatory beliefs you want to hold.

But you can't break the law just because you can claim it violates your religious beliefs.

Your law violates my rights. Round and round you go.

So said the segregationists. The argument didn't carry much water then. I doubt its going to hold much more water now.

The segregationists were not protected by the constitution.

 

[Skylar]

Nonsense.

This is a civil rights issue.

How does ones sexuality, and the flaunting of that sexuality become a civil rights issue for someone ? I mean that is what it is all about isn't it ? .

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

Sort of like saying- if you want a black wedding cake then go to a black bakery- or a jewish wedding cake- go to a jewish bakery.

I will just point out once again- your argument is with the law- not with me. You can hold whatever discriminatory beliefs you want to hold.

But you can't break the law just because you can claim it violates your religious beliefs.

Is homosexuality a race, or a religion?

No?

Okay then. It's a behavior.

One could actually exclude homos from a place of business from a health standpoint.

Speech is a behavior. Assembly is a behavior. The practice of religion is a behavior.

They're protected. And if you don't think that gays are protected, read Lawrence V. Texas, Romer V. Evans and Windsor v. the US. Then read who wrote every such decision.

We call him 'Mr. Swing Voter'.

 

[Syriusly]

How does ones sexuality, and the flaunting of that sexuality become a civil rights issue for someone ? I mean that is what it is all about isn't it ? .

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

And where does the Bible prohibit gay wedding cakes? I've read Leviticus. It never mentions wedding cakes.

Maybe its in the section where it says not to eat shellfish?

Travel to the Midian desert and chow on some shellfish and see where that lands you, before you scoff.

Observant Jews do not eat the freshest shellfish regardless how safe it is.

An omnipotent God would know that shellfish can be safe to eat.

But he told all Jews- not just the ones in the desert, not to eat shellfish.

Or pigs. And a number of other things.

Ever- not for safety reasons- because they are abominations.

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

Rinse and repeat.

 

[Skylar]

No it isn't.

That has been explained to you before.

The issue is public accomodation laws and whether business's can use a religious argument to discriminate against customers.

You can't force me to violate my religious bel

If you want a gay wedding cake then go to a gay bakery. Duh.

Sort of like saying- if you want a black wedding cake then go to a black bakery- or a jewish wedding cake- go to a jewish bakery.

I will just point out once again- your argument is with the law- not with me. You can hold whatever discriminatory beliefs you want to hold.

But you can't break the law just because you can claim it violates your religious beliefs.

Your law violates my rights. Round and round you go.

So said the segregationists. The argument didn't carry much water then. I doubt its going to hold much more water now.

The segregationists were not protected by the constitution.

That's not what they said. They said what you are saying....that their religion defines their beliefs. And because they're religious convinction mandated they treat blacks as less, that any attempt to prevent them from doing so was a violation of their religion.

It didn't work out well for them. You're recycling the same argument.