Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

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You are the only one moving the goal posts and creating strawmen. What does "accept homosexuality" entail? And it is an entirely different question than marriage. So my point stands. Your contention was my view on gay marriage was bizarre and thus wrong, I responded by saying my view on gay marriage is pretty universal outside the secular west, across cultures historically and in modern times. You have yet to prove my view on gay marriage is bizarre, meaning unusual or odd, thus your argument on those grounds is flawed. Not only is the premise flawed, the argument is a logical fallacy as it suggests a view is right based on majority consensus.

I never stated homosexual behavior is a modern manifestation, so I don't understand what exactly you are talking about here. So what exactly is your point here and how does homosexuality in the ancient world relate to gay marriage now? None of the societies you cited allowed gay marriage, so what exactly is your point here?

Just because a code of morality is old or comes from ancient times doesn't make it wrong. You even admit this when you cite Rome and ancient Greece, though incorrectly. But you appeal to ancients. In many way the ancients were wiser than us moderns.

You implied we as Christians were hypocritical and picking and choosing which laws we follow. You claimed we ignore dietary laws, but follow the passages which tell us homosexuality is a sin. Your assertion we are hypocrites is simply incorrect, as we aren't bound by those mosaic laws as Christians. So your basis we are picking or choosing and our opposition to homosexuality is arbitrary is false.

I never said the law should be based on the Bible. I joined the conversation when you were discussing whether there was any clear condemnation of homosexuality in the New Testament and I provided scripture to that end. What I said is that the government shouldn't promote a homosexuality, which is a mental illness, and a personally and socially destructive lifestyle as equal to the union of a man in the wife who come together to have children and build a family.

First, I clearly said ancient religious texts were no basis for legal exceptions because they were ancient religious texts. I even quoted it, people can read that, so I don't know why you think you can straw man me on this point.

Perhaps for the same reason you think you can continue to claim your view is "universal," or near-to, when I have posted a poll clearly refuting this. If you averaged all those scores (including some horrendously morally backwards Middle Eastern nations), you'd probably have something like 60% who are prejudiced against homosexuality, 40% who think it's fine. Hardly universal.

I have really no interest in discussing whether Christians are bound by Old Testament laws, and whether it's a "fair" comparison. Enough of them point to "mosaic" passages to justify their position, and hang the Ten Commandments in their churches (and our courthouses) that I am inclined to believe you are the minority view. I also seem to recall Jesus himself disagreeing with you; however, the Bible is so endlessly open to interpretation that there can be no definitive position.

Regardless, it matters not one whit what the Bible says, in the eyes of the law.

That was a lot of effort to just repeat yourself.

You have yet to prove my view on gay marriage unusual, accepting homosexuality as something that exists and will be practiced is entirely different from supporting gay marriage. You have yet to establish that Christians are picking and choosing when it comes to opposing homosexual marriage.

Now you are making some argument that I want to oppose the bible on you and stop your gay marriage when I never said anything about having biblically based law. I only brought up the bible when you used it to call us hypocrites and you have yet to provide proof to that end. You just cited some old kosher laws we Christians aren't bound to. Last I checked, the ten Commandments don't require us to keep kosher.

So as I said before. My view on gay marriage is not unusual. And is nearly universal outside of the view of some in secular western societies. And we Christians aren't hypocrites for opposing it because we don't follow some jewish laws. I reject the legal equality of gay marriages to traditional marriages because they clearly aren't equal in value to society, and I don't support destructive anti social behaviors like homosexuality being encouraged by the state.

People didn't acknowledge homosexuality exists, they said they were okay with it. And how can you continue to demand proof of the changing opinion of equal marriage specifically when the last three pages of this thread have been about nothing but?

If you have confidence in your theological stance, fine. 50 years ago we'd have had this same argument over anti-miscegenation laws. "But it's in the New Testament!" "But the Ten Commandments are still hip because they're not kosher!" These theological minutiae mean nothing to me, but if the Old Testament is so unimportant you may want to inform fellow Christians, who continue to tout its lessons.

If you have any proof besides the Bible that equal marriage is destructive for society, by all means share it with us.

What do they mean by ok with it? It depends how you word it. Basically, in no way does your question mean these people support gay marriage. Someone can be against sodomy laws, but oppose gay marriage. someone can support sodomy laws, but support lenient enforcement, like most people did until recently. Basically, keep the behavior to the fringes of society and only prosecute those who are overt in their displays of sodomy and keep it from children. I support this. I guess depending on how the question is worded, I "accept it", meaning I don't think people should be arrested for having this mental illness and engaging in their deviant acts as long as it is private. However, I support Russian style laws, where their propaganda is banned and they can't make displays in public. So in conclusion, you haven't shown what is meant by the question, and it can be interpreted several different ways. But none of those way entail support for gay marriage. Thus, you have failed in your contention that my view is unusual, and therefore invalid.

Also, you are misconstruing my position. My position on gay marriage isn't based on public opinion. My contention was with your characterization of my view as unusual, which it isn't. You are the one with the odd view. Outside of your secular western bubble, opposition to gay marriage is nearly universal.

You are just creating strawman after strawman. Look, if you have problems with Jesus not holding us to kosher laws you cite and perfecting the Old Testament law, perhaps you should look to Judaism. However, you cannot call us hypocrites or picking and choosing when we oppose gay marriage but don't follow Kosher laws.

"Hear me, all of you, and understand: there is nothing outside a man which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a man are what defile him." And when he had entered the house, and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. And he said to them, "Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.) (Mark 7:14-19)

[L]et no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon . . . These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ . . . Why do you submit to regulations, "Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch" (referring to things which all perish as they are used), according to human precepts and doctrines? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting rigor of devotion and self-abasement and severity to the body, but they are of no value in checking the indulgence of the flesh. (Col. 2:16-17; 20-23)

Why We Are Not Bound by Everything in the Old Law Catholic Answers

I think the proof that homosexuality as a "lifestyle" is more destructive than heterosexuality is obvious, if you need a link to see this, I don't really see us going anywhere.

The wording of the question is "Should Society Accept Homosexuality?" In fact, it's right there at the top of the poll. This disingenuous tactic of demanding to have your hand held through every tedious step of the discussion is getting tiring, as is your insistence on vacillating between homosexuality and equal marriage as suits your purpose.

And then you post more scripture! I am not a Christian. I do not care about your myriad self-contradictory rules. And my position, no matter how many times you have tried to misconstrue it, remains the same: not that your position is invalid because it's unusual, but that the Bible has no legal standing.

Just for a change of pace, though let's talk about your monstrous "position." "Keep the behavior to the fringes of society?" "Prosecute those who are overt in their displays of sodomy?" "Keep it from children?" "Russian-style laws?" It amazes me how often bigots will weaponize children to justify their own prejudices. And how do you justify these strict measures? You've offered no proof of homosexuality's detrimental effect on society. You insist it's self-apparent, but that's bull. If there was current, solid medical or sociological evidence of your claim, you'd be touting it like a banner.

You are the only one being disingenuous when you conflate "accepting homosexuality" with "gay marriage" when clearly explained how these are different things. I shouldn't have to explain the difference because it is common sense. Your use of language, whether it be in calling me unusual or disingenuous, is ironic, since these things are more aptly applied to your views and use of language.

I post more scripture because you claimed we as Christians are hypocrites when this simply isn't the case, that is why I posted it. If you don't like me posting the scripture, than don't make the argument where you call us hypocrites for not following the kosher laws of the old testament.

I need to provide you a peer reviewed study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality? So if I provided you the peer reviewed study you would change your view on gay marriage?

 

[Seawytch]

Countless gays have been beaten, murderer, discharged from their jobs, imprisoned, institutionalized, and subject to shock therapy but we must remember Sil and her ilk are the true victims here. Never forget! Perhaps they can get Toby Keith to write a song about the enormous struggles they've had to endure?

You choose a perverted lifestyle you're probably going to have problems. I never claimed to be a "victim" that's strictly a leftist thing

Wow....describing murder for being gay as 'going to have problem's.......

The homosexual victim mentality has ran it's course. Far too many have got caught faking these crimes and now it's like the boy who cried wolf

You are the person who described murder for being gay as 'going to have problems'.

And that is really disgusting.

You're once again projecting...and it's getting tiresome

How is it "projection" to quote you?

Only one group suffers more hate crimes than gays, Muslims. What percentage of the 17% of hate crimes suffered by gays do you believe are "faking"?

 

[Syriusly]

Countless gays have been beaten, murderer, discharged from their jobs, imprisoned, institutionalized, and subject to shock therapy but we must remember Sil and her ilk are the true victims here. Never forget! Perhaps they can get Toby Keith to write a song about the enormous struggles they've had to endure?

You choose a perverted lifestyle you're probably going to have problems. I never claimed to be a "victim" that's strictly a leftist thing

Wow....describing murder for being gay as 'going to have problem's.......

The homosexual victim mentality has ran it's course. Far too many have got caught faking these crimes and now it's like the boy who cried wolf

You are the person who described murder for being gay as 'going to have problems'.

And that is really disgusting.

You're once again projecting...and it's getting tiresome

No- I am a person who is pointing out that in reference to a post about homosexuals being murdered you said:

You choose a perverted lifestyle you're probably going to have problems.

And that is really disgusting.

 

[Seawytch]

I post more scripture because you claimed we as Christians are hypocrites when this simply isn't the case, that is why I posted it. If you don't like me posting the scripture, than don't make the argument where you call us hypocrites for not following the kosher laws of the Old Testament.

Leviticus contains more than just dietary restrictions. Bible Buffeters that use Leviticus to bash gays, but ignore everything else contained in it ARE hypocrites.

I need to provide you a peer reviewed study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality? So if I provided you the peer reviewed study you would change your view on gay marriage?

Just an "FYI", nothing from NARTH or FRC is peer reviewed.

 

[Steinlight]

I post more scripture because you claimed we as Christians are hypocrites when this simply isn't the case, that is why I posted it. If you don't like me posting the scripture, than don't make the argument where you call us hypocrites for not following the kosher laws of the Old Testament.

Leviticus contains more than just dietary restrictions. Bible Buffeters that use Leviticus to bash gays, but ignore everything else contained in it ARE hypocrites.

I need to provide you a peer reviewed study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality? So if I provided you the peer reviewed study you would change your view on gay marriage?

Just an "FYI", nothing from NARTH or FRC is peer reviewed.

No they aren't, because the New Testament reaffirms its condemnation of homosexuality in Paul's Letters to the Corinthians for example. Whereas we explicitly aren't bound by the Old Law as Christ has fulfilled, our salvation comes not through the Old Law, but through him. The problem is, you don't understand that which you criticize.

So if I provided a peer review study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality, than you would change your view on gay marriage? I thought your view on gay marriage was based in egalitarianism, not empiricism.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I post more scripture because you claimed we as Christians are hypocrites when this simply isn't the case, that is why I posted it. If you don't like me posting the scripture, than don't make the argument where you call us hypocrites for not following the kosher laws of the Old Testament.

Leviticus contains more than just dietary restrictions. Bible Buffeters that use Leviticus to bash gays, but ignore everything else contained in it ARE hypocrites.

I need to provide you a peer reviewed study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality? So if I provided you the peer reviewed study you would change your view on gay marriage?

Just an "FYI", nothing from NARTH or FRC is peer reviewed.

No they aren't, because the New Testament reaffirms its condemnation of homosexuality in Paul's Letters to the Corinthians for example. Whereas we explicitly aren't bound by the Old Law as Christ has fulfilled, our salvation comes not through the Old Law, but through him. The problem is, you don't understand that which you criticize.

So if I provided a peer review study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality, than you would change your view on gay marriage? I thought your view on gay marriage was based in egalitarianism, not empiricism.

Homosexuals love "peer reviewed", even if it is worthless.

Peer review a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

 

[Seawytch]

I post more scripture because you claimed we as Christians are hypocrites when this simply isn't the case, that is why I posted it. If you don't like me posting the scripture, than don't make the argument where you call us hypocrites for not following the kosher laws of the Old Testament.

Leviticus contains more than just dietary restrictions. Bible Buffeters that use Leviticus to bash gays, but ignore everything else contained in it ARE hypocrites.

I need to provide you a peer reviewed study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality? So if I provided you the peer reviewed study you would change your view on gay marriage?

Just an "FYI", nothing from NARTH or FRC is peer reviewed.

No they aren't, because the New Testament reaffirms its condemnation of homosexuality in Paul's Letters to the Corinthians for example. Whereas we explicitly aren't bound by the Old Law as Christ has fulfilled, our salvation comes not through the Old Law, but through him. The problem is, you don't understand that which you criticize.

So if I provided a peer review study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality, than you would change your view on gay marriage? I thought your view on gay marriage was based in egalitarianism, not empiricism.

That's not what Jesus said.

"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)


I'm gay, so no, you're not going to change my views on marriage equality.

Nothing from NARTH or FRC has been peer reviewed.

 

[Steinlight]

I post more scripture because you claimed we as Christians are hypocrites when this simply isn't the case, that is why I posted it. If you don't like me posting the scripture, than don't make the argument where you call us hypocrites for not following the kosher laws of the Old Testament.

Leviticus contains more than just dietary restrictions. Bible Buffeters that use Leviticus to bash gays, but ignore everything else contained in it ARE hypocrites.

I need to provide you a peer reviewed study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality? So if I provided you the peer reviewed study you would change your view on gay marriage?

Just an "FYI", nothing from NARTH or FRC is peer reviewed.

No they aren't, because the New Testament reaffirms its condemnation of homosexuality in Paul's Letters to the Corinthians for example. Whereas we explicitly aren't bound by the Old Law as Christ has fulfilled, our salvation comes not through the Old Law, but through him. The problem is, you don't understand that which you criticize.

So if I provided a peer review study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality, than you would change your view on gay marriage? I thought your view on gay marriage was based in egalitarianism, not empiricism.

Homosexuals love "peer reviewed", even if it is worthless.

Peer review a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

Do you really need a peer reviewed study to figure out that if everyone was homosexual the human race would cease to exist in a generation? But yea, heterosexuality and homosexuality are the same, they are equal, homosexuality isn't destructive at all.

 

[Seawytch]

I post more scripture because you claimed we as Christians are hypocrites when this simply isn't the case, that is why I posted it. If you don't like me posting the scripture, than don't make the argument where you call us hypocrites for not following the kosher laws of the Old Testament.

Leviticus contains more than just dietary restrictions. Bible Buffeters that use Leviticus to bash gays, but ignore everything else contained in it ARE hypocrites.

I need to provide you a peer reviewed study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality? So if I provided you the peer reviewed study you would change your view on gay marriage?

Just an "FYI", nothing from NARTH or FRC is peer reviewed.

No they aren't, because the New Testament reaffirms its condemnation of homosexuality in Paul's Letters to the Corinthians for example. Whereas we explicitly aren't bound by the Old Law as Christ has fulfilled, our salvation comes not through the Old Law, but through him. The problem is, you don't understand that which you criticize.

So if I provided a peer review study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality, than you would change your view on gay marriage? I thought your view on gay marriage was based in egalitarianism, not empiricism.

Homosexuals love "peer reviewed", even if it is worthless.

Peer review a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

Do you really need a peer reviewed study to figure out that if everyone was homosexual the human race would cease to exist in a generation? But yea, heterosexuality and homosexuality are the same, they are equal, homosexuality isn't destructive at all.

No you don't need a study to know that statements like yours a are silly. Everyone isn't gay....just god's chosen people.

You straights do keep having us though.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I post more scripture because you claimed we as Christians are hypocrites when this simply isn't the case, that is why I posted it. If you don't like me posting the scripture, than don't make the argument where you call us hypocrites for not following the kosher laws of the Old Testament.

Leviticus contains more than just dietary restrictions. Bible Buffeters that use Leviticus to bash gays, but ignore everything else contained in it ARE hypocrites.

I need to provide you a peer reviewed study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality? So if I provided you the peer reviewed study you would change your view on gay marriage?

Just an "FYI", nothing from NARTH or FRC is peer reviewed.

No they aren't, because the New Testament reaffirms its condemnation of homosexuality in Paul's Letters to the Corinthians for example. Whereas we explicitly aren't bound by the Old Law as Christ has fulfilled, our salvation comes not through the Old Law, but through him. The problem is, you don't understand that which you criticize.

So if I provided a peer review study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality, than you would change your view on gay marriage? I thought your view on gay marriage was based in egalitarianism, not empiricism.

Homosexuals love "peer reviewed", even if it is worthless.

Peer review a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

Do you really need a peer reviewed study to figure out that if everyone was homosexual the human race would cease to exist in a generation? But yea, heterosexuality and homosexuality are the same, they are equal, homosexuality isn't destructive at all.

No you don't need a study to know that statements like yours a are silly. Everyone isn't gay....just god's chosen people.

You straights do keep having us though.

You're going to be very surprised what He chooses for you

 

[Seawytch]

Leviticus contains more than just dietary restrictions. Bible Buffeters that use Leviticus to bash gays, but ignore everything else contained in it ARE hypocrites.

Just an "FYI", nothing from NARTH or FRC is peer reviewed.

No they aren't, because the New Testament reaffirms its condemnation of homosexuality in Paul's Letters to the Corinthians for example. Whereas we explicitly aren't bound by the Old Law as Christ has fulfilled, our salvation comes not through the Old Law, but through him. The problem is, you don't understand that which you criticize.

So if I provided a peer review study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality, than you would change your view on gay marriage? I thought your view on gay marriage was based in egalitarianism, not empiricism.

Homosexuals love "peer reviewed", even if it is worthless.

Peer review a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

Do you really need a peer reviewed study to figure out that if everyone was homosexual the human race would cease to exist in a generation? But yea, heterosexuality and homosexuality are the same, they are equal, homosexuality isn't destructive at all.

No you don't need a study to know that statements like yours a are silly. Everyone isn't gay....just god's chosen people.

You straights do keep having us though.

You're going to be very surprised what He chooses for you

I'll take my chances with the Jesus I read about...not the guy the haters write fanfic about.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

No they aren't, because the New Testament reaffirms its condemnation of homosexuality in Paul's Letters to the Corinthians for example. Whereas we explicitly aren't bound by the Old Law as Christ has fulfilled, our salvation comes not through the Old Law, but through him. The problem is, you don't understand that which you criticize.

So if I provided a peer review study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality, than you would change your view on gay marriage? I thought your view on gay marriage was based in egalitarianism, not empiricism.

Homosexuals love "peer reviewed", even if it is worthless.

Peer review a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

Do you really need a peer reviewed study to figure out that if everyone was homosexual the human race would cease to exist in a generation? But yea, heterosexuality and homosexuality are the same, they are equal, homosexuality isn't destructive at all.

No you don't need a study to know that statements like yours a are silly. Everyone isn't gay....just god's chosen people.

You straights do keep having us though.

You're going to be very surprised what He chooses for you

I'll take my chances with the Jesus I read about...not the guy the haters write fanfic about.

Your problem is you only read part about Jesus...that's what cherry picking gets you and homosexuals are notorious for doing it in regards to the Bible

 

[Seawytch]

Homosexuals love "peer reviewed", even if it is worthless.

Peer review a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

Do you really need a peer reviewed study to figure out that if everyone was homosexual the human race would cease to exist in a generation? But yea, heterosexuality and homosexuality are the same, they are equal, homosexuality isn't destructive at all.

No you don't need a study to know that statements like yours a are silly. Everyone isn't gay....just god's chosen people.

You straights do keep having us though.

You're going to be very surprised what He chooses for you

I'll take my chances with the Jesus I read about...not the guy the haters write fanfic about.

Your problem is you only read part about Jesus...that's what cherry picking gets you and homosexuals are notorious for doing it in regards to the Bible

I love that you see it as a problem to stick with what Jesus himself said, not his crazy fans.

 

[Steinlight]

I post more scripture because you claimed we as Christians are hypocrites when this simply isn't the case, that is why I posted it. If you don't like me posting the scripture, than don't make the argument where you call us hypocrites for not following the kosher laws of the Old Testament.

Leviticus contains more than just dietary restrictions. Bible Buffeters that use Leviticus to bash gays, but ignore everything else contained in it ARE hypocrites.

I need to provide you a peer reviewed study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality? So if I provided you the peer reviewed study you would change your view on gay marriage?

Just an "FYI", nothing from NARTH or FRC is peer reviewed.

No they aren't, because the New Testament reaffirms its condemnation of homosexuality in Paul's Letters to the Corinthians for example. Whereas we explicitly aren't bound by the Old Law as Christ has fulfilled, our salvation comes not through the Old Law, but through him. The problem is, you don't understand that which you criticize.

So if I provided a peer review study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality, than you would change your view on gay marriage? I thought your view on gay marriage was based in egalitarianism, not empiricism.

That's not what Jesus said.

"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)


I'm gay, so no, you're not going to change my views on marriage equality.

Nothing from NARTH or FRC has been peer reviewed.

The verses you cite from Timothy and Peter have nothing to do with the subject at hand. That verse from Luke has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Because Christ didn't come to invalidate the law, the Old Law prepared the way for his coming and he fulfilled it with his coming. Salvation comes through Christ and Christ alone, not the Old Law. We were under the Old Law until Christ came. With his coming, we are saved by faith in Christ, and are no longer under the law as is stated in Galatians 3. Particularly look from Galatians 3:22 onward.

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

As for Matthew 5:18-19, the commandments he is talking about are the Beatitudes, but you would have to read more than that verse to understand what he is talking about. You would have to read all of Matthew 5.

If you are interested in reading how we as Christians are no longer bound by the Old Law, meaning the ceremonial laws of Exodus or the Judicial put forth by Moses in Leviticus, you need to read Summa Theologica, written by the theologian Thomas Aquinas who explains how Christ fulfilled the Old Law with his coming. If you are going to criticize Christianity as an atheist, you should really know more about the subject as opposed to haphazardly putting together Bible verses that you don't understand.
SUMMA THEOLOGICA The judicial precepts Prima Secundae Partis Q. 104

So stop calling us hypocrites, for you know not hat you say.

I don't believe in equality in either the natural or legal sense. You need professional medical treatment for your condition, not links to peer reviewed studies.

 

[Steinlight]

Do you really need a peer reviewed study to figure out that if everyone was homosexual the human race would cease to exist in a generation? But yea, heterosexuality and homosexuality are the same, they are equal, homosexuality isn't destructive at all.

No you don't need a study to know that statements like yours a are silly. Everyone isn't gay....just god's chosen people.

You straights do keep having us though.

You're going to be very surprised what He chooses for you

I'll take my chances with the Jesus I read about...not the guy the haters write fanfic about.

Your problem is you only read part about Jesus...that's what cherry picking gets you and homosexuals are notorious for doing it in regards to the Bible

I love that you see it as a problem to stick with what Jesus himself said, not his crazy fans.

1 Corinthians 6:9 lays out pretty clearly the fate of homosexuals who don't repent. The Jesus you read about talked about Hell much more than he talked about Heaven by the way.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Do you really need a peer reviewed study to figure out that if everyone was homosexual the human race would cease to exist in a generation? But yea, heterosexuality and homosexuality are the same, they are equal, homosexuality isn't destructive at all.

No you don't need a study to know that statements like yours a are silly. Everyone isn't gay....just god's chosen people.

You straights do keep having us though.

You're going to be very surprised what He chooses for you

I'll take my chances with the Jesus I read about...not the guy the haters write fanfic about.

Your problem is you only read part about Jesus...that's what cherry picking gets you and homosexuals are notorious for doing it in regards to the Bible

I love that you see it as a problem to stick with what Jesus himself said, not his crazy fans.

Mathew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[Syriusly]

I post more scripture because you claimed we as Christians are hypocrites when this simply isn't the case, that is why I posted it. If you don't like me posting the scripture, than don't make the argument where you call us hypocrites for not following the kosher laws of the Old Testament.

Leviticus contains more than just dietary restrictions. Bible Buffeters that use Leviticus to bash gays, but ignore everything else contained in it ARE hypocrites.

I need to provide you a peer reviewed study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality? So if I provided you the peer reviewed study you would change your view on gay marriage?

Just an "FYI", nothing from NARTH or FRC is peer reviewed.

No they aren't, because the New Testament reaffirms its condemnation of homosexuality in Paul's Letters to the Corinthians for example. Whereas we explicitly aren't bound by the Old Law as Christ has fulfilled, our salvation comes not through the Old Law, but through him. The problem is, you don't understand that which you criticize.

So if I provided a peer review study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality, than you would change your view on gay marriage? I thought your view on gay marriage was based in egalitarianism, not empiricism.

Homosexuals love "peer reviewed", even if it is worthless.

Peer review a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

Do you really need a peer reviewed study to figure out that if everyone was homosexual the human race would cease to exist in a generation? But yea, heterosexuality and homosexuality are the same, they are equal, homosexuality isn't destructive at all.

If everyone was male, then the human race would cease to exist in a generation but does that mean males are inherently destructive?

Unless you really believe that you are in danger of suddenly becoming gay if we treat homosexuals equally, there is no reason for you to believe that everyone will become homosexual- just a strawman you raise to support your bigotry.

Treating homosexual couples exactly equally with my wife and I, doesn't harm you- doesn't harm anyone- it is just the right thing to do.

 

[Syriusly]

No you don't need a study to know that statements like yours a are silly. Everyone isn't gay....just god's chosen people.

You straights do keep having us though.

You're going to be very surprised what He chooses for you

I'll take my chances with the Jesus I read about...not the guy the haters write fanfic about.

Your problem is you only read part about Jesus...that's what cherry picking gets you and homosexuals are notorious for doing it in regards to the Bible

I love that you see it as a problem to stick with what Jesus himself said, not his crazy fans.

Mathew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Oh goody

I love Bible quotes!

The Rich and the Kingdom of God

16Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18“Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,’c and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’d ”

20“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

 

[Paperman299]

I post more scripture because you claimed we as Christians are hypocrites when this simply isn't the case, that is why I posted it. If you don't like me posting the scripture, than don't make the argument where you call us hypocrites for not following the kosher laws of the Old Testament.

Leviticus contains more than just dietary restrictions. Bible Buffeters that use Leviticus to bash gays, but ignore everything else contained in it ARE hypocrites.

I need to provide you a peer reviewed study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality? So if I provided you the peer reviewed study you would change your view on gay marriage?

Just an "FYI", nothing from NARTH or FRC is peer reviewed.

No they aren't, because the New Testament reaffirms its condemnation of homosexuality in Paul's Letters to the Corinthians for example. Whereas we explicitly aren't bound by the Old Law as Christ has fulfilled, our salvation comes not through the Old Law, but through him. The problem is, you don't understand that which you criticize.

So if I provided a peer review study that homosexuality is more destructive as a lifestyle than heterosexuality, than you would change your view on gay marriage? I thought your view on gay marriage was based in egalitarianism, not empiricism.

Homosexuals love "peer reviewed", even if it is worthless.

Peer review a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

Do you really need a peer reviewed study to figure out that if everyone was homosexual the human race would cease to exist in a generation? But yea, heterosexuality and homosexuality are the same, they are equal, homosexuality isn't destructive at all.

There's many genes that are beneficial which need not be immediately expressed. Carrying the genetics for homosexuality and expressing it selectively can have benefits for a population as a whole, ie caretaking.

Now where's this current, reputable, peer-reviewed scientific evidence of homosexuality's destructive effects you've been teasing us with? Come on now!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You're going to be very surprised what He chooses for you

I'll take my chances with the Jesus I read about...not the guy the haters write fanfic about.

Your problem is you only read part about Jesus...that's what cherry picking gets you and homosexuals are notorious for doing it in regards to the Bible

I love that you see it as a problem to stick with what Jesus himself said, not his crazy fans.

Mathew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Oh goody

I love Bible quotes!

The Rich and the Kingdom of God

16Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18“Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,’c and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’d ”

20“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

You keep avoiding the ones that call what you do an abomination, why is that?