CDZ Should Homosexual People Be Allowed To Legally Adopt Children?

[Asclepias]

Who told you a set of parents means a father and a mother vs two fathers or two mothers?

par·ent
ˈperənt/
noun

1. 1.
   a father or mother.

We can start with basic biology.

A human child does not even come into existence without both a father and a mother having been involved.

That has nothing to do with being a parent though but nice deflection.

It has everything to do with it. However you might try to distort the word, “parenting” does not happen at all until a child is created, and that does not happen without there being both a father and a mother.

Please address the question I posed or I will have to accept your concession.

Who told you a set of parents means a father and a mother vs two fathers or two mothers?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

No I certainly do NOT. But what I don't understand is why you said you would accept lesbians adopting rather than gay men (I think that's what you wrote) & (the possibility of molestation) is why I thought perhaps is why you were against gay adoption. Other than that...I don't understand why you would have reservations.

Sexual abuse of children takes more forms than you think.

I even made a point of picking, out of all the sources that I found reporting this story, a source that is overtly LGBpbWTF-friendly, and sympathetic to this pair of monsters who are in the process of severely screwing up their child.

Lesbian couple to provide drug therapy for transgender son

A lesbian couple in California has started hormone therapy for their 11-year-old son Tommy after he said he wanted to be a girl named Tammy.

Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel decided to allow the hormone-blocking treatments so the child could make an informed decision about his gender expression at a later age.​

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Please address the question I posed or I will have to accept your concession.

I reject your claimed authority to make any such demands on me.

Who told you a set of parents means a father and a mother vs two fathers or two mothers?

…and to require me to defend the position that black is not white, down is not up, evil is not good. Some obvious truths stand on their own.

If one is allowed to redefine words and terms in the manner that you and those on your side insist on doing, then no subject can be usefully discussed.

 

[Asclepias]

Please address the question I posed or I will have to accept your concession.

I reject your claimed authority to make any such demands on me.

Who told you a set of parents means a father and a mother vs two fathers or two mothers?

…and to require me to defend the position that black is not white, down is not up, evil is not good. Some obvious truths stand on their own.

If one is allowed to redefine words and terms in the manner that you and those on your side insist on doing, then no subject can be usefully discussed.

I duly note your concession. I will alert you when I summarily accept it.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Adoption is not a right in the sense that marriage is. However, that does not mean that gay people can be arbitrarily denied the opportunity to qualify as adoptive parents, simply because they are gay.

You say “just because they are gay” as if it means nothing. It's like speaking of disallowing a blind person to be a taxi driver, as if being blind means nothing.

A set of parents means a father and a mother—not two of one and none of the other. As much as those in the LGBpbWTF movement wish to deny it, there are very real and important differences between male and female, and it matters that a child needs one of each in order to get the fullness of the upbringing and example that will prepare that child to seek a marriage partner when he is an adult,and to properly relate to that partner.

I know how to be a man, because my father showed me, by example.

I knew what to look for and expect in a wife,because of the example that my mother set.

I know how to treat my wife, and how to expect my wife to treat me, because of the example set by my father and my mother in how they treated and related to each other.

You just cannot get that without a proper set of parents, a father and a mother, joined in marriage and faithful to it.

No Bob, I’m sorry…. being gay is not like being blind. Being gay limits people ONLY to the extent that other people impose limitations on them. Being blind has its own very real limitations.

A set of parents means…A SET OF Parents. You can decide what that means to you but it does not preclude others deciding for themselves what it means, and increasingly it means two PEOPLE in a committed relationship…..committed to each other AND to their children

You are entitled to assess your own experience however you wish, but that does not mean that others would share that.

I have posted extensively here and elsewhere about same sex parenting. I have presented the research and I have presented an account of my own personal professional experience in child welfare. May I suggest that you read through my posts and then get back to us when you have a better understanding of the issue?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Should they be allowed to adopt?

Yes.

Both my parents are straight, but I'm bi. If logic is consistent, gay parents should raise straight children.

Even among children who are raised by homosexual “parents”, without the benefit of having both a father and a mother, the vast overwhelming majority are going to be heterosexual, and will eventual want to settle into a marriage with a spouse of the opposite sex.

Men and women are different, and for one to relate to the other is often not easy. I've been married for twenty years now, and I still struggle to understand and relate to my wife, because of these differences. I hate to think of how difficult it would be, if I had not had the benefit of a genuine set of parents—a father and a mother—to show me by example how it's done. I hate to think of innocent children willfully deprived of this benefit in order to cater to the desired of immoral perverts who care more about their own perversions than they care about the well-being of the next generation.

I hate to think of innocent children willfully deprived of this benefit in order to cater to the desired of immoral perverts who care more about their own perversions than they care about the well-being of the next generation.

Seriously Bob? You are getting a bit carried away here. Willfully deprived? By who ? If you are referring to children who are available for adoption through an agency, they have already been deprived of a mother AND a father, and it was not the doing of they gay people who are offering them a stable home with two legal parents.

And where do you get this nonsense about their not caring about the well being of the children ? Furthermore , your reference to "immoral perverts is also very telling ....it's apparent that your judgment is seriously clouded by you prejudice

 

[playtime]

how about the kids in the traditional family where the parents fight all the time, or one of the parents is an alcoholic or drug addict.
there are always exceptions

That some families built on genuine marriage sometimes fail in rather bad ways is no excuse for putting children into a fake family based on a fake marriage, that is almost certain to fail them.

You are not in any position to declare what is real & what is "fake" & thankfully the law disagrees with you in every way. Tsk tsk.

 

[playtime]

Who told you a set of parents means a father and a mother vs two fathers or two mothers?

par·ent
ˈperənt/
noun

1. 1.
   a father or mother.

We can start with basic biology.

A human child does not even come into existence without both a father and a mother having been involved.

That has nothing to do with being a parent though but nice deflection.

It has everything to do with it. However you might try to distort the word, “parenting” does not happen at all until a child is created, and that does not happen without there being both a father and a mother.

It takes a spermatozoa & an egg. Mothering & fathering has zero to do with procreating, but everything to do with nurturing.

 

[playtime]

No I certainly do NOT. But what I don't understand is why you said you would accept lesbians adopting rather than gay men (I think that's what you wrote) & (the possibility of molestation) is why I thought perhaps is why you were against gay adoption. Other than that...I don't understand why you would have reservations.

Sexual abuse of children takes more forms than you think.

I even made a point of picking, out of all the sources that I found reporting this story, a source that is overtly LGBpbWTF-friendly, and sympathetic to this pair of monsters who are in the process of severely screwing up their child.

Lesbian couple to provide drug therapy for transgender son

A lesbian couple in California has started hormone therapy for their 11-year-old son Tommy after he said he wanted to be a girl named Tammy.

Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel decided to allow the hormone-blocking treatments so the child could make an informed decision about his gender expression at a later age.​

Uh-huh. There's abuse across the spectrum of the human condition. Why would gays be any different? For every 'gay' one you come up with, there will always be a hetero abuse story just as wrong. It's not indicative to any one specific socio/ economic /ethic/ gender/ or sexual orientated group.

 

[playtime]

Please address the question I posed or I will have to accept your concession.

I reject your claimed authority to make any such demands on me.

Who told you a set of parents means a father and a mother vs two fathers or two mothers?

…and to require me to defend the position that black is not white, down is not up, evil is not good. Some obvious truths stand on their own.

If one is allowed to redefine words and terms in the manner that you and those on your side insist on doing, then no subject can be usefully discussed.

Your 'authority' to determine what IS a real family is rejected.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

No I certainly do NOT. But what I don't understand is why you said you would accept lesbians adopting rather than gay men (I think that's what you wrote) & (the possibility of molestation) is why I thought perhaps is why you were against gay adoption. Other than that...I don't understand why you would have reservations.

Sexual abuse of children takes more forms than you think.

I even made a point of picking, out of all the sources that I found reporting this story, a source that is overtly LGBpbWTF-friendly, and sympathetic to this pair of monsters who are in the process of severely screwing up their child.

Lesbian couple to provide drug therapy for transgender son

A lesbian couple in California has started hormone therapy for their 11-year-old son Tommy after he said he wanted to be a girl named Tammy.

Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel decided to allow the hormone-blocking treatments so the child could make an informed decision about his gender expression at a later age.​

Oh Christ Bob! This is not sexual abuse. This is a transgender child who happens to be in the care of lesbian parents who are trying to do the best that they can for him. He is not transgender because of the lesbian parents and they have not done anything or made any decisions based on there being lesbian. This is just over the top, shameless , anti gay propaganda.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Hmmm...

... Wonder what would happen if a county clerk...

... wouldn't issue the adoption certificate...

... based on religious objections?

Probably not a thing.

Adoption papers are a court function through a Judge.


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[Bob Blaylock]

Oh Christ Bob! This is not sexual abuse. This is a transgender child who happens to be in the care of lesbian parents who are trying to do the best that they can for him. He is not transgender because of the lesbian parents and they have not done anything or made any decisions based on there being lesbian. This is just over the top, shameless , anti gay propaganda.

That you would defend what is being done to this boy tells us all that we need to know about your own character.

 

[Syriusly]

You don't understand.

It's incumbent upon you to justify denying gay Americans their rights.

regardless of my personal opinion on this matter, where is there a right written in the constitution that covers adoption.

The equal protection clause and the due process clause.

we could use the same clause to prove that taxing someone at a higher percentage based on income is not equal.
basically, anything we can imagine can be made constitutionally acceptable if we really put our mind to it.

Nothing to say about my left handed driver analogy? ( post #41)I know, it's a tough one to get your head around. Take your time. Maybe you will actually come to understand how things work. Then again, maybe not. You don't seem to really want to, because if you did, you could no longer justify discrimination

I know this is going to be really tough for you to get your head around too.
1, I am not in the least against same sex marriage.
2, the majority of my good friends are gay.
3. driving with the left foot does not affect or have a chance of affecting a child in a negative way, and so far there is not sufficient data on gay parenting to prove either way how it could affect a child.
and as far as that goes, I am a firm believer that there are many same sex couples that should not be allowed anywhere near a child let alone breed on their own.

Once determined that there is no more chance of harm to a child development with a set of gay parents verses straight parents, then I will have no reservations about gay adoption.

See I think we should have reservations about leaving kids without parents far more.

How about you prove that kids left in foster care do better than kids who have been adopted by homosexuals?

Before worrying about the gay people who have offered to take care of children abandoned by their own parents?

Children's Action Network : A Project of the Tides Center
Every year, more than 100,000 children in foster care are available for adoption. Many spend more than five years waiting for permanent, loving homes. Between 2000 and 2011, nearly 40,000 children were joined together with their forever families as part of National Adoption Day activities.


Who are these waiting children?

• There are an estimated 408,425 children in foster care in the United States, and more than 100,000 of them are waiting to be adopted.
• Through no fault of their own, these children enter foster care as a result of abuse, neglect and/or abandonment.
• The average child waits for an adoptive family for more than three years.
• 11 percent spend 5 years or more waiting for a family (43,083 children).
• The average age of children waiting for an adoptive family is 8.
• • Nearly 30,000 children reach the age of 18 without ever finding a forever family

And what happens to those 30,000 children aged out of the system?

Pretty much we dump them on the street without a family. Most states do little to support children who age out of the system without an adoptive family to help them with emotional and financial support.

So maybe before figuring out how to restrict the number of adoptive parents in the United States to exclude homosexuals- maybe the first priority should be to actually find ENOUGH adoptive parents for kids who need a family?

I mean if this is supposed to be about the kids.

 

[Syriusly]

You just cannot get that without a proper set of parents, a father and a mother, joined in marriage and faithful to it.

Really?

My father's mother died when he was very young. His dad raised him essentially by himself.

My father is one of the finest human beings I have ever known- and my parents- bless their hearts- have been married longer than probably anyone posted here.

My father learned how to be a good man- a good father- and a good husband- all without having a mother in his life.

You slander every single parent out there with your false claims.

Of course you slander gay couples too- but that is a given.

 

[Syriusly]

Should they be allowed to adopt?

Yes.

Both my parents are straight, but I'm bi. If logic is consistent, gay parents should raise straight children.

I hate to think of innocent children willfully deprived of this benefit in order to cater to the desired of immoral perverts who care more about their own perversions than they care about the well-being of the next generation.

Imagine how much better off those children would be better off if the immoral perverts who were their biological parents didn't abandon those kids in the first place?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Oh Christ Bob! This is not sexual abuse. This is a transgender child who happens to be in the care of lesbian parents who are trying to do the best that they can for him. He is not transgender because of the lesbian parents and they have not done anything or made any decisions based on there being lesbian. This is just over the top, shameless , anti gay propaganda.

That you would defend what is being done to this boy tells us all that we need to know about your own character.

That you believe that tells us all that we need to know about your intellect.

 

[paddymurphy]

Oh boy, it is quite apparent that you missed my point entirely. Do you know what an analogy is.....like A is to B as C is D type of a thing? The post is about how the law works. Not what you are for or against. Oh well I tried.

I was trying to be nice. your analogy sucked, it really had little to do with the conversation or the reason for people to be cautious about gay adoption.
you cant just jump into something that may or may not be in the best interest of the child.
do you at least understand that?
I would have less issue with lesbians adopting than gay males right now. women have more of a natural nurturing instinct then men. The man is not the one that's important in a child's development, its the woman.

You think that it sucks because you didn't understand my point. Again, its about the law and equal protection under the law. You can't use the theory that same sex parenting is, or even may be harmful to make a legal case against gay adoption IN THE ABSENCE of ANY credible evidence to support that. THAT is the point that you can't seem to get . I have tons of definitive evidence from controlled empirical studies-AS WELL AS my personal experience in the child welfare field to back up my position. Neither you or anyone else here have anything.

as long as you try to dictate from emotion instead of solid fact you will never understand what exactly it is Im saying and which side of things I am ultimately on.

It's interesting and tell how EVERY TIME that I make a rational and logical case for equality that you guys can't deal with...EVERY TIME that I back you to the wall, you accuse me of being emotional as in irrational. Discrimination, my friend is what is irrational.

have you considered that It might only be rational and logical in your own mind?

It is logical and rational to 63% of Americans polled. Most Americans Say Same-Sex Couples Entitled to Adopt

 

[paddymurphy]

Should they be allowed to adopt?

Yes.

Both my parents are straight, but I'm bi. If logic is consistent, gay parents should raise straight children.

Even among children who are raised by homosexual “parents”, without the benefit of having both a father and a mother, the vast overwhelming majority are going to be heterosexual, and will eventual want to settle into a marriage with a spouse of the opposite sex.

Men and women are different, and for one to relate to the other is often not easy. I've been married for twenty years now, and I still struggle to understand and relate to my wife, because of these differences. I hate to think of how difficult it would be, if I had not had the benefit of a genuine set of parents—a father and a mother—to show me by example how it's done. I hate to think of innocent children willfully deprived of this benefit in order to cater to the desired of immoral perverts who care more about their own perversions than they care about the well-being of the next generation.

how about the kids in the traditional family where the parents fight all the time, or one of the parents is an alcoholic or drug addict.
there are always exceptions

You seem to be getting the point. There are facts beyond orientation that are far more relevant to being a parent. Gay couples can be as good or bad at parenting as straight couples.

 

[paddymurphy]

No I certainly do NOT. But what I don't understand is why you said you would accept lesbians adopting rather than gay men (I think that's what you wrote) & (the possibility of molestation) is why I thought perhaps is why you were against gay adoption. Other than that...I don't understand why you would have reservations.

Sexual abuse of children takes more forms than you think.

I even made a point of picking, out of all the sources that I found reporting this story, a source that is overtly LGBpbWTF-friendly, and sympathetic to this pair of monsters who are in the process of severely screwing up their child.

Lesbian couple to provide drug therapy for transgender son

A lesbian couple in California has started hormone therapy for their 11-year-old son Tommy after he said he wanted to be a girl named Tammy.

Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel decided to allow the hormone-blocking treatments so the child could make an informed decision about his gender expression at a later age.​

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"Set to premiere this summer, Jazz will explain how she handles all the typical teen experiences, including dating, sleepovers and high school. You'll get to know Jazz, but also her understanding parents, Greg and Jeanette, her grandparents Jack and Jacky, and her siblings Ari, Griffen and Sander,”

So, you would take Jazz away from her straight parents?