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Sadly, because religion sucks the morality right out of people, he CAN justify it because he can justify Mohammad raping 9 year-old Aisha.I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.Homo's and pedophile's are just two sides of the same pervert coin. ...Stop linking homosexuality with pedophilia, there is no link.
I just opened the can.You seriously don't want to open that can of worms. You'd best just assume I agree with you and move on.I applaud you. God/Jesus don't love gays, as the Bible shows of course, but you appear to. I admire that.Yes. I don't feel comfortable with the government dictating who should and should not be allowed to adopt kids.
You've avoided all questions having to do with Mohammad raping a 9 year-old that were directed at you, so we have to assume that you do indeed approve of that (you do approve of a 54 year-old raping a 9-year-old)....which tells us all we need to know about Islam.I find it telling that Joy4Uall has completely derailed his/her/it's/ thread OP topic of homo adoption.
And now just posts attacks on people and their religion.
Which seemed to be the goal in the first place. ...
Yeah, and revealed yourself as a militant atheist who has likely never bothered to glance into the Bible, let alone read it.I just opened the can.You seriously don't want to open that can of worms. You'd best just assume I agree with you and move on.I applaud you. God/Jesus don't love gays, as the Bible shows of course, but you appear to. I admire that.Yes. I don't feel comfortable with the government dictating who should and should not be allowed to adopt kids.
Then if your religion is from the all-knowing, all-powerful, creator of everything, then you'll have no problem showing specifically where I'm dead wrong - because I have NO all-knowing, all-powerful, creator of everything guiding me, but YOU do. Plus, you have his word - from your sacred religious texts, which I myself don't follow of course.I find it telling that Joy4Uall has completely derailed his/her/it's/ thread OP topic of homo adoption.
And now just posts attacks on people and their religion.
Which seemed to be the real goal in the first place. ...
You didn't counter the claims I made - and I know why. I claimed "God/Jesus don't love gays, as the Bible shows of course,"Yeah, and revealed yourself as a militant atheist who has likely never bothered to glance into the Bible, let alone read it.I just opened the can.You seriously don't want to open that can of worms. You'd best just assume I agree with you and move on.I applaud you. God/Jesus don't love gays, as the Bible shows of course, but you appear to. I admire that.Yes. I don't feel comfortable with the government dictating who should and should not be allowed to adopt kids.
As a matter of fact, most militant Atheists are only that way because they like to think there's no higher power to judge them, whether there actually is or not.
I told you several pages of posts ago. If this is a topic that concerns you, then start a thread about it.You've avoided all questions having to do with Mohammad raping a 9 year-old that were directed at you, so we have to assume that you do indeed approve of that (you do approve of a 54 year-old raping a 9-year-old)....which tells us all we need to know about Islam.
A simple reply of "Mohammad was wrong to have raped Aisha, period." would have been less typing, and would have not left us wondering "whoa, does Sunni Man APPROVE of child rape!?"I told you several pages of posts ago. If it's a topic that concerns you, then start a thread about it.You've avoided all questions having to do with Mohammad raping a 9 year-old that were directed at you, so we have to assume that you do indeed approve of that (you do approve of a 54 year-old raping a 9-year-old)....which tells us all we need to know about Islam.
Just because you are losing the debate. No need to derail your own thread like you are doing. ...
1 John 4:20-21 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?You didn't counter the claims I made - and I know why.Yeah, and revealed yourself as a militant atheist who has likely never bothered to glance into the Bible, let alone read it.I just opened the can.You seriously don't want to open that can of worms. You'd best just assume I agree with you and move on.I applaud you. God/Jesus don't love gays, as the Bible shows of course, but you appear to. I admire that.Yes. I don't feel comfortable with the government dictating who should and should not be allowed to adopt kids.
As a matter of fact, most militant Atheists are only that way because they like to think there's no higher power to judge them, whether there actually is or not.
If you are "winning", then why all the off topic personal attacks on other posters and their religion? ....Uh, the person who can't condemn the child rape in question would be the one who is "losing the debate".
No, the Bible/god/Jesus HATE gays, because they are consumed by hatred for those that are simply different than they are (Hindus, etc.) Can you condemn them for the worst of these verses?1 John 4:20-21 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?You didn't counter the claims I made - and I know why.Yeah, and revealed yourself as a militant atheist who has likely never bothered to glance into the Bible, let alone read it.I just opened the can.You seriously don't want to open that can of worms. You'd best just assume I agree with you and move on.I applaud you. God/Jesus don't love gays, as the Bible shows of course, but you appear to. I admire that.
As a matter of fact, most militant Atheists are only that way because they like to think there's no higher power to judge them, whether there actually is or not.
Matthew Chapter 22
36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
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As a matter of fact, looking at even the surface of the New Testament shows that not only does God not hate anyone, but Christians are commanded to love everyone. We're to love our neighbors, and as Jesus explained, everyone is our neighbor.
I actually just wasn't going to bother arguing with a militant atheist who makes threads specifically to bait Christians into wasting their time on you. You only do so because you're not confident on your own position regarding the creation of the universe and all therein.
Because that's the purpose of this thread. To bait Christians so he can attack them. Notice I agreed that LGBT people should be allowed to adopt children, and he decided to attack Christians anyway, instead of moving along.If you are "winning", then why all the off topic personal attacks on other posters and their religion? ....Uh, the person who can't condemn the child rape in question would be the one who is "losing the debate".
So if Gandhi is in hell, then like me you'd condemn Jesus for that, correct?.......
As a matter of fact, looking at even the surface of the New Testament shows that not only does God not hate anyone, but Christians are commanded to love everyone. We're to love our neighbors, and as Jesus explained, everyone is our neighbor.
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My belief is more loving than Jesus, of course, so I feel great about my belief.Because that's the purpose of this thread. To bait Christians so he can attack them. Notice I agreed that LGBT people should be allowed to adopt children, and he decided to attack Christians anyway, instead of moving along.If you are "winning", then why all the off topic personal attacks on other posters and their religion? ....Uh, the person who can't condemn the child rape in question would be the one who is "losing the debate".
He doesn't feel secure in his own belief or lack thereof, so he attacks Christians.
If you have god, and his word, on your side, neither of which I have, then you should be able to show me exactly where I'm wrong, in no time.Because that's the purpose of this thread. To bait Christians so he can attack them. Notice I agreed that LGBT people should be allowed to adopt children, and he decided to attack Christians anyway, instead of moving along.If you are "winning", then why all the off topic personal attacks on other posters and their religion? ....Uh, the person who can't condemn the child rape in question would be the one who is "losing the debate".
He doesn't feel secure in his own belief or lack thereof, so he attacks Christians.
Actually, as you may or may not be aware, while in Sodom, the inhabitants attempted to rape the Angels he sent to live there.No, the Bible/god/Jesus HATE gays, because they are consumed by hatred for those that are simply different than they are (Hindus, etc.) Can you condemn them for the worst of these verses?1 John 4:20-21 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?You didn't counter the claims I made - and I know why.Yeah, and revealed yourself as a militant atheist who has likely never bothered to glance into the Bible, let alone read it.I just opened the can.You seriously don't want to open that can of worms. You'd best just assume I agree with you and move on.
As a matter of fact, most militant Atheists are only that way because they like to think there's no higher power to judge them, whether there actually is or not.
Matthew Chapter 22
36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
............
...........
..........
As a matter of fact, looking at even the surface of the New Testament shows that not only does God not hate anyone, but Christians are commanded to love everyone. We're to love our neighbors, and as Jesus explained, everyone is our neighbor.
I actually just wasn't going to bother arguing with a militant atheist who makes threads specifically to bait Christians into wasting their time on you. You only do so because you're not confident on your own position regarding the creation of the universe and all therein.
Homosexuality in the Bible
Genesis
- "And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."
What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or was there something more to it than that? Some commentators have suggested that Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that this was why Ham's descendants were eternally punished with slavery. 9:24
Gay Bible Stories: Noah's drunkenness (What did Ham do?)
- This verse doesn't say what the Sodomites did to make them such exceedingly great sinners, though most bible believers equate "Sodomite" with homosexual. (But see Ezekiel 16:49, which claims the sins of Sodom were pride, gluttony, sloth, greed, and failure to help the poor.) 13:13
- The two angels that visit Lot wash their feet, eat, and are sexually irresistible to Sodomites. 19:1-5
- God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah. This was because, so say the Christian Right, some homosexuals lived there (See 19:4-5). 19:24-25
Sodom's sin
- "And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking."
What did Sarah see that disturbed her so much? 21:9
Possibly Gay Bible Stories #1 - Ishmael and Isaac: What did Sarah see?
Jonathan Kirsch suggests in The Harlot by the Side of the Road that the "play" between Isaac and Ishmael may have been of a sexual nature, noting that the same word is used to describe the behaviour of Ishmael and Isaac as is used in 26:8 to describe Isaac's fondling of Rebekah.
- Possibly gay Bible stories #2: There's something about Joseph 37-41
- After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto thy brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of masturbation, homosexuality, and birth control. 38:8-10
Leviticus
Strange fire before the Lord 10:1-2
- Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22
Explicit verse #1: It is abomination
- If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
Explicit verse #2: Their blood shall be upon them
Deuteronomy
- "Every abomination ... the Lord ... hateth."
Including homosexuality. (Leviticus 18:22) 12:31
- Women are not to wear men's clothing and vice versa -- it's an "abomination unto the Lord." 22:5
- God says not to bring any whore, sodomite, or dog into the house of the Lord. For "these things are an abomination to the Lord." Sodomites and dogs are biblical names for homosexuals. 23:17-18
Judges
- Gay Bible Stories, Part II: The Levite's Concubine 19:1-30
Ruth
Ruth loved Naomi as Adam loved Eve. (Or so say the folks at WouldJesusDiscriminate.org) 1:14- 1 Samuel
- Possibly Gay Bible Stories #3: Saul and David 16:21-22
- Were David and Jonathan gay? 18:1-4, 19:2, 20:41
Possibly Gay Bible Stories #4: David and Jonathan
- The special relationship between Jonathan and David. 20:3-14
- Saul is angered by his son's homosexual affair with David and says, "do not I know that thou has chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion of thy mother's nakedness?" 20:30
- Saul sets an example for Christian parents that discover that they have a homosexual child: try to kill the child and his or her lover. 20:31-33
- Jonathan has a secret meeting with David in the forest. David will be king, he says, and he will be right beside him. "And they two made a covenant before the LORD." 23:16-18
2 Samuel
- David loved Jonathan more than women. (And he loved a lot of women!) 1:26
- When Joab (David's captain) kills Abner (by smiting him under the fifth rib of course), David says that he and his kingdom are not responsible. The blame, he says, lays with Joab. So David curses Joab, his family, and their descendants forever. Let them all be plagued with venereal diseases and leprosy, starve to death, commit suicide, or lean on staves. (The Revised Standard Version translates "leaneth on a staff" as "holds a spindle," apparently meaning effeminate -- real men don't spin or weave.) 3:27-29
1 Kings
- "There were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations...."
God shows his homophobia by calling gay people "sodomites" and their sexual relations "abominations." 14:24
- Asa "did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD" by expelling homosexuals (or "sodomites", as the good book calls them). 15:12
- Possibly Gay Bible Stories #5: Elijah stretched himself upon the child three times 17:17-22
- Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
2 Kings
- Possibly Gay Bible Stories #6: Elisha and the dead boy 4:11-35
- Were Jehu and Jehonadab gay? 10:15-17
- Josiah, with God's approval, broke down the houses of the sodomites. 23:7
Isaiah
God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they didn't "do well, see judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge(?) the fatherless, and plead for the widow." (Not for homosexuality.) 1:10-17
- "They declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul!"
The biblical god just doesn't seem to care much for homosexuals. And he gets especially upset when "they hide it not." 3:9
Jeremiah
- "I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom."
What was Sodom's sin? 23:14
- If a man has a son who misbehaves by committing abomination (Lev 18:22 type or otherwise) then that son must be killed. 18:10-13
- Sodom's sin wasn't homosexuality. It was pride, greed, idleness, and refusing to help the poor. (Republicans are the new Sodomites.)
Or maybe not. Here's the next verse:
"And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."
Was the "abomination" that the Sodomites committed the the one mentioned in Leviticus 18:22?16:49-50
- "Ye work abomination."
According to Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics), "toceba [abomination] probably refers to homosexual intercourse" in this verse. 33:26
Daniel
- "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."
Some Christians think this refers to the antichrist. (He'll be an atheist homosexual.) 11:37
Matthew
- What was the relationship between the centurion and his slave? Were they a gay couple? If so, Jesus didn't seem to mind. 8:5-13
- "Whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words ... It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city."
What was Sodom's sin? 10:14-15
- "There are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb." Is Jesus talking about homosexuals here? 19:12
Luke
- "Whatsoever city ... receive you not ... it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city."
What was Sodom's sin? 10:10-12
- Increase your chance of being raptured: Pray to be gay! 17:34-35
John
- Was Jesus gay?
"There was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved." 13:23-25
"The disciple standing by, whom he loved" 19:26
"The disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper" 21:20
Acts
- Was the eunuch that Philip baptized gay? 8:26-38
Romans
- With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28
- Homosexuals (vv. 27-28) and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" - along with gossips, boasters, and disobedient children.
Some fundamentalists say that those "without natural affection" refers to homosexuals. (It doesn't. The greek word "astorgos" ("without natural affection" in the KJV) means "without family love" and has nothing to do with homosexuality or homosexuals. 1:31-32
Explicit Verse #3: Worthy of death
1 Corinthians
- Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10
Explicit verse #4: Abusers of themselves with mankind
1 Timothy
- Homosexuals (those "that defile themselves with mankind") are included on the list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people. 1:10
Explicit verse #5: For whom the law was made
2 Timothy
- In the last days people will become evil, "without natural affection." Some fundamentalists say that this refers to homosexuals. (It doesn't. The greek word "astorgos" ("without natural affection" in the KJV) means "without family love" and has nothing to do with homosexuality or homosexuals. 3:3
2 Peter
- God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for living ungodly, filthy conversation, and unlawful deeds. 2:6-9
Jude
- God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh." 7-8
A note about the "strang flesh" of Jude 7
Revelation
- Are the 144,000 men that are "not defiled by women" homosexuals? Are only gay men to be saved? 14:1-4
- "The abominable"
John isn’t talking about the snowman here. According to Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics), it’s homosexuals. “The reference to ‘the abominable’ (ebdelygmenois) matches up with ‘dogs’ in [Rev] 22:15.”
- "Dogs [homosexuals?], sorcerers, whoremongers, idolaters" and along with anyone who ever told a lie will not enter the heavenly city.
"[T]he term 'dogs' in Rev 22:15 primarily has in view emasculated male cult prostitutes, without excluding a wider reference to any who engage in homosexual practice." Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics) 22:15
Their religious beliefs underlie their hatred of gays which of course leads to them not wanting gay adoption (which is the OP.)If you are "winning", then why all the off topic personal attacks on other posters and their religion? ....Uh, the person who can't condemn the child rape in question would be the one who is "losing the debate".
You seem easily confused.So then of course you condemn Lev 20:13, and Romans 6:9-10, because those teach hatred of gays and teach that gays can't get into heaven, correct?Notice I agreed that LGBT people should be allowed to adopt children, ...
