Should The Rich Be Required To Pay Higher Taxes In the US?

[David_42]

Top 1% are taxed at 23% EFFECTIVE rates. Go to 46% and the deficit IS wiped out Bubs

AND still leaves them VASTLY wealthy. Weird right Bubs?


AGI ($ millions)

Top 1% income $1,976,738 (trillion)


Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

I cant remember the exact figures.......but I once calculated out that if the top 20% paid something like 5% more...........and if we remained revenue neutral,...........then the bottom 80% would have to pay NOTHING.

but of course I guess I'm and old school conservative in some ways cause I think deficits and debt matter and I would want that paid down rather than continue to grow.

Well yes, that would be on income taxes, not all federal taxes

Bottom 80% of US own less than 11% of ALL US wealth



What gets me is the "rights" rant against the bottom 50% of US who went from almost 18% of the entire pie in 1980 to 11% today, a drop of almost $5,000 PER family. The bottom HALF OF US make as much income as JUST the top 1/10th of 1% of US, yet the bottom half of US average less than $15,000 PER family

But I agree with you,I prefer not to run large deficits or create the debt that can be traced back to Reagan/Dubya's policies, like cutting federal revenues AS they ramped up spending. If we just decided to go with the Buffett rule (min 30% fed tax on $1,000,000+ incomes), it cuts the deficits by almost 25%


Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

What gets me is the "rights" rant against the bottom 50% of US who went from almost 18% of the entire pie in 1980 to 11% today, a drop of almost $5,000 PER family.

It's difficult to keep up when tens of millions of illegals are competing for low-skilled jobs.

Hey, dipshit, the studies don't show illegal immigrants having a noticeable effect on the jobs you rant about. Trickle down voodoo has failed us all.

Hey, dipshit, the studies don't show illegal immigrants having a noticeable effect on the jobs you rant about.

Millions of illegals haven't greatly increased the black unemployment rate? Seriously?

Trickle down voodoo has failed us all.

Let's import more poor people, that'll help.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. No correlation.
Immigration helps American workers: The definitive argument

 

[Maryland Patriot]

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Undocumented Immigrants Taking Jobs From US Citizens? Most Americans Believe Immigration Is Bad For Economy

Uncontrolled illegal immigration of low-skilled workers is bad for the economy.
Expensive too.

Sorry, you'll need to back up your claim.
Immigration helps American workers: The definitive argument
Show a correlation.

Low-skilled illegals compete for jobs with low skilled Americans. Pretty clear.
As far as expensive, about $11000 per illegal kid per year for education in Illinois.
Add the costs of increased crime, increased police/prison expenses and emergency room expenses....just more spending we can't afford.

 

[Dad2three]

Top 1% are taxed at 23% EFFECTIVE rates. Go to 46% and the deficit IS wiped out Bubs

AND still leaves them VASTLY wealthy. Weird right Bubs?


AGI ($ millions)

Top 1% income $1,976,738 (trillion)


Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

I cant remember the exact figures.......but I once calculated out that if the top 20% paid something like 5% more...........and if we remained revenue neutral,...........then the bottom 80% would have to pay NOTHING.

but of course I guess I'm and old school conservative in some ways cause I think deficits and debt matter and I would want that paid down rather than continue to grow.

Well yes, that would be on income taxes, not all federal taxes

Bottom 80% of US own less than 11% of ALL US wealth



What gets me is the "rights" rant against the bottom 50% of US who went from almost 18% of the entire pie in 1980 to 11% today, a drop of almost $5,000 PER family. The bottom HALF OF US make as much income as JUST the top 1/10th of 1% of US, yet the bottom half of US average less than $15,000 PER family

But I agree with you,I prefer not to run large deficits or create the debt that can be traced back to Reagan/Dubya's policies, like cutting federal revenues AS they ramped up spending. If we just decided to go with the Buffett rule (min 30% fed tax on $1,000,000+ incomes), it cuts the deficits by almost 25%


Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

What gets me is the "rights" rant against the bottom 50% of US who went from almost 18% of the entire pie in 1980 to 11% today, a drop of almost $5,000 PER family.

It's difficult to keep up when tens of millions of illegals are competing for low-skilled jobs.

Hey, dipshit, the studies don't show illegal immigrants having a noticeable effect on the jobs you rant about. Trickle down voodoo has failed us all.

your guy Clinton had 8 years to correct that, why didn't he? because it worked to a point that his economy was good. Why didn't the democrat congress try to change it again starting two years before bammy took office? because they realized that it was keeping the recession from going to a full blown depression.
Why hasn't bammy tried to change it in the 7 years he has been pretending to be president? because its still working and without it his increase in the debt would even be worse.
Take responsibility. Your guys allowed it. over 16 years of democrat leadership since Ronald Regan and not once has change been attempted. Because it WORKED.

Weird you have ZERO honesty.

Yep, Clinton (with ONLY Dem support) lifted taxes from 17% of GDP to 20%+ of GDP via his 1993 tax policy that not ONE single GOPer voted for?

It took the top rate from 31% to 39.6%

You morons NEVER accept that GOP obstruction stop Obama from implementing the Buffett tax (min 30% on $1,000,000+ incomes), or lowering Corp tax rates from 35% to 28% and getting rid of loopholes and using new revenues to help with infrastructure.



Nope, just why didn't the Dems overwhelm the low informed GOPers?

HINT, 6 YEARS OF GOP/DUBYA POLICIES WERE IN EFFECT WHEN DEMS TOOK OVER CONGRESS, AND WHEN THE SECOND BEST CONSERVATIVE PREZ SINCE IKE CAME IN(BJ BILL #1) IN JAN 2009, THE ECONOMY WAS ON ANOTHER GOP CREATED CLIFF DUMMY!!

 

[Maryland Patriot]

I cant remember the exact figures.......but I once calculated out that if the top 20% paid something like 5% more...........and if we remained revenue neutral,...........then the bottom 80% would have to pay NOTHING.

but of course I guess I'm and old school conservative in some ways cause I think deficits and debt matter and I would want that paid down rather than continue to grow.

Well yes, that would be on income taxes, not all federal taxes

Bottom 80% of US own less than 11% of ALL US wealth



What gets me is the "rights" rant against the bottom 50% of US who went from almost 18% of the entire pie in 1980 to 11% today, a drop of almost $5,000 PER family. The bottom HALF OF US make as much income as JUST the top 1/10th of 1% of US, yet the bottom half of US average less than $15,000 PER family

But I agree with you,I prefer not to run large deficits or create the debt that can be traced back to Reagan/Dubya's policies, like cutting federal revenues AS they ramped up spending. If we just decided to go with the Buffett rule (min 30% fed tax on $1,000,000+ incomes), it cuts the deficits by almost 25%


Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

What gets me is the "rights" rant against the bottom 50% of US who went from almost 18% of the entire pie in 1980 to 11% today, a drop of almost $5,000 PER family.

It's difficult to keep up when tens of millions of illegals are competing for low-skilled jobs.

Hey, dipshit, the studies don't show illegal immigrants having a noticeable effect on the jobs you rant about. Trickle down voodoo has failed us all.

your guy Clinton had 8 years to correct that, why didn't he? because it worked to a point that his economy was good. Why didn't the democrat congress try to change it again starting two years before bammy took office? because they realized that it was keeping the recession from going to a full blown depression.
Why hasn't bammy tried to change it in the 7 years he has been pretending to be president? because its still working and without it his increase in the debt would even be worse.
Take responsibility. Your guys allowed it. over 16 years of democrat leadership since Ronald Regan and not once has change been attempted. Because it WORKED.

Weird you have ZERO honesty.

Yep, Clinton (with ONLY Dem support) lifted taxes from 17% of GDP to 20%+ of GDP via his 1993 tax policy that not ONE single GOPer voted for?

It took the top rate from 31% to 39.6%

You morons NEVER accept that GOP obstruction stop Obama from implementing the Buffett tax (min 30% on $1,000,000+ incomes), or lowering Corp tax rates from 35% to 28% and getting rid of loopholes and using new revenues to help with infrastructure.



Nope, just why didn't the Dems overwhelm the low informed GOPers?

HINT, 6 YEARS OF GOP/DUBYA POLICIES WERE IN EFFECT WHEN DEMS TOOK OVER CONGRESS, AND WHEN THE SECOND BEST CONSERVATIVE PREZ SINCE IKE CAME IN(BJ BILL #1) IN JAN 2009, THE ECONOMY WAS ON ANOTHER GOP CREATED CLIFF DUMMY!!

and when will you finally admit that the financial crisis during President Bush's administration was caused by Jimmy Carter and then set up for certain failure by Bill Clinton.
liberals are idiots.

 

[danielpalos]

There have been other ripples. Mario Zahariev, who runs Pop’s Pizza & Pasta, switched to Gravity after seeing Price on the news. When he learned his monthly processing fees would drop to $900 from $1,700, Zahariev decided: “I was not going to keep the difference for myself.” He used the savings to raise the salaries of his eight employees.

 

[Dad2three]

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study. FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/si...rength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

 

[Dad2three]

Well yes, that would be on income taxes, not all federal taxes

Bottom 80% of US own less than 11% of ALL US wealth



What gets me is the "rights" rant against the bottom 50% of US who went from almost 18% of the entire pie in 1980 to 11% today, a drop of almost $5,000 PER family. The bottom HALF OF US make as much income as JUST the top 1/10th of 1% of US, yet the bottom half of US average less than $15,000 PER family

But I agree with you,I prefer not to run large deficits or create the debt that can be traced back to Reagan/Dubya's policies, like cutting federal revenues AS they ramped up spending. If we just decided to go with the Buffett rule (min 30% fed tax on $1,000,000+ incomes), it cuts the deficits by almost 25%


Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

What gets me is the "rights" rant against the bottom 50% of US who went from almost 18% of the entire pie in 1980 to 11% today, a drop of almost $5,000 PER family.

It's difficult to keep up when tens of millions of illegals are competing for low-skilled jobs.

Hey, dipshit, the studies don't show illegal immigrants having a noticeable effect on the jobs you rant about. Trickle down voodoo has failed us all.

your guy Clinton had 8 years to correct that, why didn't he? because it worked to a point that his economy was good. Why didn't the democrat congress try to change it again starting two years before bammy took office? because they realized that it was keeping the recession from going to a full blown depression.
Why hasn't bammy tried to change it in the 7 years he has been pretending to be president? because its still working and without it his increase in the debt would even be worse.
Take responsibility. Your guys allowed it. over 16 years of democrat leadership since Ronald Regan and not once has change been attempted. Because it WORKED.

Weird you have ZERO honesty.

Yep, Clinton (with ONLY Dem support) lifted taxes from 17% of GDP to 20%+ of GDP via his 1993 tax policy that not ONE single GOPer voted for?

It took the top rate from 31% to 39.6%

You morons NEVER accept that GOP obstruction stop Obama from implementing the Buffett tax (min 30% on $1,000,000+ incomes), or lowering Corp tax rates from 35% to 28% and getting rid of loopholes and using new revenues to help with infrastructure.



Nope, just why didn't the Dems overwhelm the low informed GOPers?

HINT, 6 YEARS OF GOP/DUBYA POLICIES WERE IN EFFECT WHEN DEMS TOOK OVER CONGRESS, AND WHEN THE SECOND BEST CONSERVATIVE PREZ SINCE IKE CAME IN(BJ BILL #1) IN JAN 2009, THE ECONOMY WAS ON ANOTHER GOP CREATED CLIFF DUMMY!!

and when will you finally admit that the financial crisis during President Bush's administration was caused by Jimmy Carter and then set up for certain failure by Bill Clinton.
liberals are idiots.

Sure Bubba, sure, Dubya's regulator failure was Carters fault. And I thought YOU were complaining the Dems could've fixed Reagan's trickle down? lol

Right wingers (especially you) are fukkn lying tools!

 

[Maryland Patriot]

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study. FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

If you cant see the errors in what you posted you are a bigger idiot that I first suspected.
get somebody to help you. Try one of the people without the helmet and pads running around your living space.

 

[Dad2three]

Well yes, that would be on income taxes, not all federal taxes

Bottom 80% of US own less than 11% of ALL US wealth



What gets me is the "rights" rant against the bottom 50% of US who went from almost 18% of the entire pie in 1980 to 11% today, a drop of almost $5,000 PER family. The bottom HALF OF US make as much income as JUST the top 1/10th of 1% of US, yet the bottom half of US average less than $15,000 PER family

But I agree with you,I prefer not to run large deficits or create the debt that can be traced back to Reagan/Dubya's policies, like cutting federal revenues AS they ramped up spending. If we just decided to go with the Buffett rule (min 30% fed tax on $1,000,000+ incomes), it cuts the deficits by almost 25%


Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

What gets me is the "rights" rant against the bottom 50% of US who went from almost 18% of the entire pie in 1980 to 11% today, a drop of almost $5,000 PER family.

It's difficult to keep up when tens of millions of illegals are competing for low-skilled jobs.

Hey, dipshit, the studies don't show illegal immigrants having a noticeable effect on the jobs you rant about. Trickle down voodoo has failed us all.

your guy Clinton had 8 years to correct that, why didn't he? because it worked to a point that his economy was good. Why didn't the democrat congress try to change it again starting two years before bammy took office? because they realized that it was keeping the recession from going to a full blown depression.
Why hasn't bammy tried to change it in the 7 years he has been pretending to be president? because its still working and without it his increase in the debt would even be worse.
Take responsibility. Your guys allowed it. over 16 years of democrat leadership since Ronald Regan and not once has change been attempted. Because it WORKED.

Weird you have ZERO honesty.

Yep, Clinton (with ONLY Dem support) lifted taxes from 17% of GDP to 20%+ of GDP via his 1993 tax policy that not ONE single GOPer voted for?

It took the top rate from 31% to 39.6%

You morons NEVER accept that GOP obstruction stop Obama from implementing the Buffett tax (min 30% on $1,000,000+ incomes), or lowering Corp tax rates from 35% to 28% and getting rid of loopholes and using new revenues to help with infrastructure.



Nope, just why didn't the Dems overwhelm the low informed GOPers?

HINT, 6 YEARS OF GOP/DUBYA POLICIES WERE IN EFFECT WHEN DEMS TOOK OVER CONGRESS, AND WHEN THE SECOND BEST CONSERVATIVE PREZ SINCE IKE CAME IN(BJ BILL #1) IN JAN 2009, THE ECONOMY WAS ON ANOTHER GOP CREATED CLIFF DUMMY!!

and when will you finally admit that the financial crisis during President Bush's administration was caused by Jimmy Carter and then set up for certain failure by Bill Clinton.
liberals are idiots.

Yeah, I can see how this could be Carter/Clinton's fault

 

[Maryland Patriot]

What gets me is the "rights" rant against the bottom 50% of US who went from almost 18% of the entire pie in 1980 to 11% today, a drop of almost $5,000 PER family.

It's difficult to keep up when tens of millions of illegals are competing for low-skilled jobs.

Hey, dipshit, the studies don't show illegal immigrants having a noticeable effect on the jobs you rant about. Trickle down voodoo has failed us all.

your guy Clinton had 8 years to correct that, why didn't he? because it worked to a point that his economy was good. Why didn't the democrat congress try to change it again starting two years before bammy took office? because they realized that it was keeping the recession from going to a full blown depression.
Why hasn't bammy tried to change it in the 7 years he has been pretending to be president? because its still working and without it his increase in the debt would even be worse.
Take responsibility. Your guys allowed it. over 16 years of democrat leadership since Ronald Regan and not once has change been attempted. Because it WORKED.

Weird you have ZERO honesty.

Yep, Clinton (with ONLY Dem support) lifted taxes from 17% of GDP to 20%+ of GDP via his 1993 tax policy that not ONE single GOPer voted for?

It took the top rate from 31% to 39.6%

You morons NEVER accept that GOP obstruction stop Obama from implementing the Buffett tax (min 30% on $1,000,000+ incomes), or lowering Corp tax rates from 35% to 28% and getting rid of loopholes and using new revenues to help with infrastructure.



Nope, just why didn't the Dems overwhelm the low informed GOPers?

HINT, 6 YEARS OF GOP/DUBYA POLICIES WERE IN EFFECT WHEN DEMS TOOK OVER CONGRESS, AND WHEN THE SECOND BEST CONSERVATIVE PREZ SINCE IKE CAME IN(BJ BILL #1) IN JAN 2009, THE ECONOMY WAS ON ANOTHER GOP CREATED CLIFF DUMMY!!

and when will you finally admit that the financial crisis during President Bush's administration was caused by Jimmy Carter and then set up for certain failure by Bill Clinton.
liberals are idiots.

Sure Bubba, sure, Dubya's regulator failure was Carters fault. And I thought YOU were complaining the Dems could've fixed Reagan's trickle down? lol

Right wingers (especially you) are fukkn lying tools!

Might be a lying tool in your eyes, however to most that just equates to, someone that is able to provide for himself without demanding others help.
you should try it sometime. Do they have a basket weaving class at your group home? you could try learning that skill and see if you could sell the end product.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study. FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.

 

[Dad2three]

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study. FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

If you cant see the errors in what you posted you are a bigger idiot that I first suspected.
get somebody to help you. Try one of the people without the helmet and pads running around your living space.

So in other words you can't point out ONE single thing and TRY to refute it, instead you'll post UNRELATED BS (that I had linked for a dozen years, BTW) AND TRY TO SPIN IT? LOL

 

[David_42]

Undocumented Immigrants Taking Jobs From US Citizens? Most Americans Believe Immigration Is Bad For Economy

Uncontrolled illegal immigration of low-skilled workers is bad for the economy.
Expensive too.

Sorry, you'll need to back up your claim.
Immigration helps American workers: The definitive argument
Show a correlation.

Low-skilled illegals compete for jobs with low skilled Americans. Pretty clear.
As far as expensive, about $11000 per illegal kid per year for education in Illinois.
Add the costs of increased crime, increased police/prison expenses and emergency room expenses....just more spending we can't afford.

No correlation, and you fail to understand the situation, as shown by your failure to refute my article. Yes, children deserve a education.

 

[David_42]

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study. FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.

LOL. Immigrants do more then just that bub. Sure, like a wall will stop immigrants, and you want to deport millions of human beings.. What, do you want land mines?

 

[thanatos144]

Getting your crews to get their fitness certificate? Lol! Still paying your employees twice the rate of every other company and selling for less than your competitors and raking in a higher profit margin? Lol!

A Certificate of Fitness (their name for it) is required by my insurance company prior to any and all sub-contractors entering the work site. It includes business licenses, permits, insurance, surety bonds, and workers status.

I pay my employees twice the rate because the profit is so high. I spread the wealth, not pocket it.

I make a higher profit than my competitors because I'm smarter than they are. Plus, I fix what they screw up at three times or more of the contract rate.

You're so full of shit your eyes are brown. Anyone who paid his workers twice the going rate would go bankrupt. How can you pay them twice the market rate if your company doesn't earn twice the market rate?

did you miss the one about a company ceo taking a pay cut but giving his employees a pay raise to the company minimum of $70k?

You mean the company that is now going to file for bankruptcy?

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nope; the ceo became less capitalist and took a pay cut.

And the company is going under because he is a shity ceo

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[Dad2three]

A Certificate of Fitness (their name for it) is required by my insurance company prior to any and all sub-contractors entering the work site. It includes business licenses, permits, insurance, surety bonds, and workers status.

I pay my employees twice the rate because the profit is so high. I spread the wealth, not pocket it.

I make a higher profit than my competitors because I'm smarter than they are. Plus, I fix what they screw up at three times or more of the contract rate.

You're so full of shit your eyes are brown. Anyone who paid his workers twice the going rate would go bankrupt. How can you pay them twice the market rate if your company doesn't earn twice the market rate?

did you miss the one about a company ceo taking a pay cut but giving his employees a pay raise to the company minimum of $70k?

You mean the company that is now going to file for bankruptcy?

Sent from my SM-G386T1 using Tapatalk

nope; the ceo became less capitalist and took a pay cut.

And the company is going under because he is a shity ceo

Sent from my SM-G386T1 using Tapatalk

The inability of the right wing to live in reality, IS amazing to see daily. fukknn weirdos!




The publicity surrounding the wage policy has generated benefits. Three months before the announcement, the firm had been adding 200 clients a month. In June, 350 signed up.


That new business won’t start paying off for 12 to 18 months, however



http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-company-copes-with-backlash-on-70000-minimum-wage/

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study. FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.

LOL. Immigrants do more then just that bub. Sure, like a wall will stop immigrants, and you want to deport millions of human beings.. What, do you want land mines?

Sure, like a wall will stop immigrants

Why can't a wall stop millions of illegals?

you want to deport millions of human beings.

Yes I do.

What, do you want land mines?

Probably won't be needed.

 

[David_42]

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study. FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.

LOL. Immigrants do more then just that bub. Sure, like a wall will stop immigrants, and you want to deport millions of human beings.. What, do you want land mines?

Sure, like a wall will stop immigrants

Why can't a wall stop millions of illegals?

you want to deport millions of human beings.

Yes I do.

What, do you want land mines?

Probably won't be needed.

Because immigrants are usually desperate people looking for a better life? Oh, modern day nazi. Probably won't be needed? LOL.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study. FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.

LOL. Immigrants do more then just that bub. Sure, like a wall will stop immigrants, and you want to deport millions of human beings.. What, do you want land mines?

Sure, like a wall will stop immigrants

Why can't a wall stop millions of illegals?

you want to deport millions of human beings.

Yes I do.

What, do you want land mines?

Probably won't be needed.

Because immigrants are usually desperate people looking for a better life? Oh, modern day nazi. Probably won't be needed? LOL.

Because immigrants are usually desperate people looking for a better life?

And they can magically fly over a serious wall, if we built it?

Oh, modern day Nazi.

LOL!