Should The Rich Be Required To Pay Higher Taxes In the US?

How did Henry Ford justify doing something similar in the early 1900s?

I don't know but the time to argue vociferously in favor of the CEOs plan seems to be over now. This is what is wrong with Socialists... they can never admit when their ideas fail.

Go read the article I posted and stop arguing this was a good idea... it FAILED!


ONLY in right wing world could losing 2 right wing employees OUT OF OVER 120+ , INCREASING BIZ BY 75% BE CONSIDERED "FAILING"

Seattle company copes with backlash on $70,000 minimum wage

Not seeing that the two employees were right wing. Also not seeing business increased by 75%. Can you show me from the article these two facts. Thanks.


TWO out of 120 employees sound like you bubs, right winger

"The publicity surrounding the wage policy has generated benefits. Three months before the announcement, the firm had been adding 200 clients a month. In June, 350 signed up."


YOUR ARE WELCOME BUBS

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-company-copes-with-backlash-on-70000-minimum-wage/
 
dude, our capitalists should pay the finest tax rates money can pay.

They do. Our corporate tax rate is 40%... the highest in the world.

did you miss the one about a company ceo taking a pay cut but giving his employees a pay raise to the company minimum of $70k?

I didn't miss it. Such a sad story. Took the poor guy all of 3 months to fail.

The Sad Saga of the $70,000 Minimum Salary Company

Clearly, the entrepreneur acted impulsively, didn’t think things through, and, ultimately, he and his employees may pay a steep price for it. There are some very good reasons why none of you should even think about trying this sort of move at your own company today, tomorrow, or ever.

For one thing, it incentivizes the wrong employee behavior. Price lost some of his best people over his move and I can see why. An entry-level new hire who just clocks in and out is suddenly making almost as much as a veteran supervisor who busted her hump for years only to be rewarded with a miniscule raise.

Leveling the playing field all at once as he did breeds resentment and virtually eliminates the merits of meritocracy. You simply can’t raise the minimum salary that high without it having a negative ripple effect throughout the organization. You just can’t.

Nobody pays tax rates. Not even you.
 
Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.

Fine employers $1M and jail time of ten years for every illegal they knowingly hire. Does the same thing and you don't spend for building.
 
Nobody pays tax rates. Not even you.

Perhaps in the same sense that "time doesn't exist" because the past doesn't exist anymore, the future doesn't exist yet and the present takes no amount of time? Or... in the sense that "reality" doesn't exist... only the illusion we perceive as reality?

I've argued with liberals before about this and made the very same point... Businesses don't pay tax... the consumer pays the tax. They don't seem to comprehend that concept.
 




As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study.
FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.

No one is talking about immigration. Do we need to make a new word to define illegal immigrants? It seems you keep getting them confused with immigrants. An illegal immigrant is not an immigrant. They are criminals who violated our law and entered our nation illegally. Potentially, they are a national security risk because we don't know who they are or where they came from.


Weird, you'd think the GOP/CONServatives would want to go after WHY they came here, you know JOBS? Oh yeah, can't touch those "job creators" right? lol

But they don't all come here to work. What about the ones who come here to be thieves and rapists? How do we go after why they came? What about the ones who come to be terrorists and commit terrorist acts? How do we go after why they came? What about the ones who just want to come here and live off the government handouts? Any ideas on how we can go after why they came?

I have always been in favor of strict penalties for companies who hire illegal aliens. I thought it was one of the worst arguments ever made by Bush regarding jobs Americans won't do. I don't have a problem with heavy fines or even jail time for people who knowingly hire illegal aliens... BUT... Houston, we have a problem here....

How do we hold companies accountable when we restrict them from even being able to ask Pedro for proper identification? How does a company comply without profiling, discriminating or violating rights to privacy? How can we hold them responsible for Pedro's clever ability to forge fake documentation? It's easy to say, punish employers who hire illegals, it's hard to enforce it in today's politically correct, over-litigious and hypersensitive environment. Not saying we shouldn't try, but it's going to take some understanding when it comes to verification processes and such.



A BUNCH OF RAPIST DRUG DEALERS AND TERRORISTS HUH? LOL

You fukkn moron


Jun 19, 2006


Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized


The Bush administration, which is vowing to crack down on U.S. companies that hire illegal workers, virtually abandoned such employer sanctions before it began pushing to overhaul U.S. immigration laws last year, government statistics show.

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.



In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three.

The government's steady retreat from workplace enforcement in the 20 years since it became illegal to hire undocumented workers is the result of fierce political pressure from business lobbies, immigrant rights groups and members of Congress


Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized

EVER HEAR OF EVERIFY?

Few use feds' simple tool to verify legal workers


Called E-Verify, the online government program uses records from the Social Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security to instantly check an employee's legal status after being hired. When word gets around that an employer uses the program, illegal immigrants stop applying, experts say.



...The program has run into strong opposition from business groups that say it creates an administrative burden. But experts say the real reason is that E-Verify makes it harder to hire illegal workers.



The debate over E-Verify has put local conservative groups in a tricky position: They oppose illegal immigration, but they support businesses that rely on illegal immigrants

BIGGEST CHEERLEADER? RIGHT WING CHAMBER OF COMMERCE!
Few use feds' simple tool to verify legal workers



GOV'T HANDOUTS HUH? You clueless freaking idiot!
 
Wow.. helluva business model.... I'm a CPA and have seen many business people "not make any money". That's where I come in. And you charge twice the market rate? That's like saying you sell Cheerios for $8 and Winn Dixie sells them for $4 and you sell just as much.

I wanna know your secret cause you just blew the notion of competition right out of the water!!!

As a CPA, why didn't those business people make any money?

As a CPA, why would you compare and contrast a retail example when I own a service business?

As a CPA, if a business owner reduced or eliminated fixed costs, wouldn't that show a higher net profit?

As a CPA, why wouldn't a service business charge more to fix a screw-up by a competitor?
 
Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.

Fine employers $1M and jail time of ten years for every illegal they knowingly hire. Does the same thing and you don't spend for building.

How do we do that when liberals whine and moan over rights to privacy and anything that could resemble "profiling" in the workplace? So do they ask Pedro for his green card because he looks Mexican or has a Hispanic last name? Do they require all Latinos to prove citizenship as a condition of employment? How exactly do we ensure companies can comply with the law?

So we impose a $10M fine and 20 years in jail for every illegal they knowingly hire-- as long as they can say they didn't know, what damn difference does it make?
 
Nobody pays tax rates. Not even you.

Perhaps in the same sense that "time doesn't exist" because the past doesn't exist anymore, the future doesn't exist yet and the present takes no amount of time? Or... in the sense that "reality" doesn't exist... only the illusion we perceive as reality?

I've argued with liberals before about this and made the very same point... Businesses don't pay tax... the consumer pays the tax. They don't seem to comprehend that concept.

Bloviating.
 
Nobody pays tax rates. Not even you.

Perhaps in the same sense that "time doesn't exist" because the past doesn't exist anymore, the future doesn't exist yet and the present takes no amount of time? Or... in the sense that "reality" doesn't exist... only the illusion we perceive as reality?

I've argued with liberals before about this and made the very same point... Businesses don't pay tax... the consumer pays the tax. They don't seem to comprehend that concept.

GROW A BRAIN DUMBDUMB


Recent economic research has improved our understanding of who bears the burden of the corporate income tax.


One key finding is that a substantial share of the return to corporate capital
is from “supernormal” returns, the returns to successful risk taking ,
inframarginal returns , and economic rents in excess of the “normal” return
(the riskless return to waiting)

.
The other key result is that international capital mobility shifts some of the corporate income tax burden on the normal return from corporate capital to labor, which is relatively immobile internationally. Based on these recent research findings,TPC has updated its corporate income tax incidence
.
For standard distributional analyses , TPC now treats 20 percent of the corporate income tax burden as falling on labor, 20 percent on the normal return to all capital, and 60 percent on the supernormal returns to corporate equity (shareholders)


We now also distinguish the incidence of changes in the corporate income tax that affect only the normal return, such as changes in cost recovery rules, which we distribute 50 percent to labor and 50 percent to the normal return to all capital.

In addition, for short -run analyses of changes in the corporate income tax we now treat all of the burden as falling on shareholders


http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/uploadedpdf/412651-tax-model-corporate-tax-incidence.pdf
 
How do we do that when liberals whine and moan over rights to privacy and anything that could resemble "profiling" in the workplace? So do they ask Pedro for his green card because he looks Mexican or has a Hispanic last name? Do they require all Latinos to prove citizenship as a condition of employment? How exactly do we ensure companies can comply with the law?

So we impose a $10M fine and 20 years in jail for every illegal they knowingly hire-- as long as they can say they didn't know, what damn difference does it make?

More bloviating.

If an employer used as an example, e-verify, and the employee past, then they didn't knowingly hire an illegal worker. No profiling involved.
 
A BUNCH OF RAPIST DRUG DEALERS AND TERRORISTS HUH? LOL

Yes. In every border town across the Southwest, crimes committed by illegal aliens is out of control. Real American people being murdered, robbed and raped every day. And a Democrat base that couldn't give two shits about that because supporting illegal immigration might mean some votes. What a despicable disgrace and waste of good air.
 
Nobody pays tax rates. Not even you.

Perhaps in the same sense that "time doesn't exist" because the past doesn't exist anymore, the future doesn't exist yet and the present takes no amount of time? Or... in the sense that "reality" doesn't exist... only the illusion we perceive as reality?

I've argued with liberals before about this and made the very same point... Businesses don't pay tax... the consumer pays the tax. They don't seem to comprehend that concept.


I wish you had a functioning brain Bubs

HE SAID NO ONE PAYS THE TAX RATES, NOT TAXES. Marginal rates VERSUS effective rates is what he mean dummy!
 
A BUNCH OF RAPIST DRUG DEALERS AND TERRORISTS HUH? LOL

Yes. In every border town across the Southwest, crimes committed by illegal aliens is out of control. Real American people being murdered, robbed and raped every day. And a Democrat base that couldn't give two shits about that because supporting illegal immigration might mean some votes. What a despicable disgrace and waste of good air.


lol, Humorous Bubba

Jun 16, 2015 - U.S. citizens may fear homegrown jihadists, but law enforcement is more worried about right-wing extremists.




Nearly twice as many Americans have been killed by right-wing extremists since 9/11 as have died at the hands of radical Muslims on US soil

Right-wing terrorists twice as likely to kill Americans than Muslim jihadists are ‒ report

35,000 a year die by guns in the us each year, it's the illegals bubs? lol
 
Certificate applies to the NYFD sorry!

The rest of your rant is BS! You are talking out your ass once again.

Here's a trades reference. I sub members of what? The trades.

http://labor.alaska.gov/lss/forms/cof-regs.pdf

I have 20,000 more examples of how you are wrong.

Writing of 'you are wrong,'

How would you undo the deregulation of the HMO act which eliminated real competition in the healthcare insurance industry?


That applies to individuals and their qualifications, not to businesses.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

Wrong again!
 
The issue is one percenter claims to pay his employees twice the wages of his competitors, charges his customers less than his competitors and has a wider profit margin than his competitors. There are fixed costs in every business. So, if you are paying employees more, charging customers less. His profit margin can't be twice the average. He can't explain it , never has. His story is bogus.

If you knew anything about business, how would you reduce or eliminate a 'fixed cost?'

You can reduce your property tax bill by moving to a state with lower property taxes. The same goes for your utility bill and your insurance.

However, that's irrelevant to your claim that you can pay your employees twice as much as your competitors. Wages normally constitution a businesses biggest expense.
 
How do we do that when liberals whine and moan over rights to privacy and anything that could resemble "profiling" in the workplace? So do they ask Pedro for his green card because he looks Mexican or has a Hispanic last name? Do they require all Latinos to prove citizenship as a condition of employment? How exactly do we ensure companies can comply with the law?

So we impose a $10M fine and 20 years in jail for every illegal they knowingly hire-- as long as they can say they didn't know, what damn difference does it make?

More bloviating.

If an employer used as an example, e-verify, and the employee past, then they didn't knowingly hire an illegal worker. No profiling involved.

It's not bloviating, it's being factual. E-verify is a great tool... but in California, they passed a law in 2011 to prohibit requiring employers to use it. Liberals argue it violates rights to privacy. So IF we're going to get tough on companies who hire illegals, we need to get our ducks in a row on this...we can't enforce the laws when liberals stand in the way and reject our measures.
 
Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.

Fine employers $1M and jail time of ten years for every illegal they knowingly hire. Does the same thing and you don't spend for building.

Why don't we just cut off their heads? That would do the trick, eh?

The Supreme Court would call your plan "cruel and unusual." It would be unconstitutional, in other words.
 
How do we do that when liberals whine and moan over rights to privacy and anything that could resemble "profiling" in the workplace? So do they ask Pedro for his green card because he looks Mexican or has a Hispanic last name? Do they require all Latinos to prove citizenship as a condition of employment? How exactly do we ensure companies can comply with the law?

So we impose a $10M fine and 20 years in jail for every illegal they knowingly hire-- as long as they can say they didn't know, what damn difference does it make?

More bloviating.

If an employer used as an example, e-verify, and the employee past, then they didn't knowingly hire an illegal worker. No profiling involved.

It's not bloviating, it's being factual. E-verify is a great tool... but in California, they passed a law in 2011 to prohibit requiring employers to use it. Liberals argue it violates rights to privacy. So IF we're going to get tough on companies who hire illegals, we need to get our ducks in a row on this...we can't enforce the laws when liberals stand in the way and reject our measures.

Doesn't federal law require employers to use it?
 
You can reduce your property tax bill by moving to a state with lower property taxes. The same goes for your utility bill and your insurance.

However, that's irrelevant to your claim that you can pay your employees twice as much as your competitors. Wages normally constitution a businesses biggest expense.

No, try again.
 

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