Should The Rich Be Required To Pay Higher Taxes In the US?





As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study.
FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.

No one is talking about immigration. Do we need to make a new word to define illegal immigrants? It seems you keep getting them confused with immigrants. An illegal immigrant is not an immigrant. They are criminals who violated our law and entered our nation illegally. Potentially, they are a national security risk because we don't know who they are or where they came from.


Weird, you'd think the GOP/CONServatives would want to go after WHY they came here, you know JOBS? Oh yeah, can't touch those "job creators" right? lol

But they don't all come here to work. What about the ones who come here to be thieves and rapists? How do we go after why they came? What about the ones who come to be terrorists and commit terrorist acts? How do we go after why they came? What about the ones who just want to come here and live off the government handouts? Any ideas on how we can go after why they came?

I have always been in favor of strict penalties for companies who hire illegal aliens. I thought it was one of the worst arguments ever made by Bush regarding jobs Americans won't do. I don't have a problem with heavy fines or even jail time for people who knowingly hire illegal aliens... BUT... Houston, we have a problem here....

How do we hold companies accountable when we restrict them from even being able to ask Pedro for proper identification? How does a company comply without profiling, discriminating or violating rights to privacy? How can we hold them responsible for Pedro's clever ability to forge fake documentation? It's easy to say, punish employers who hire illegals, it's hard to enforce it in today's politically correct, over-litigious and hypersensitive environment. Not saying we shouldn't try, but it's going to take some understanding when it comes to verification processes and such.

How do we hold companies accountable when we restrict them from even being able to ask Pedro for proper identification?

You're supposed to prove you're a citizen/have permission to work here.
Make E-Verify mandatory. If you catch a guy with fake ID, don't release him with a 12 month later court date.
Quick court date, ship him home.
 
You're so full of shit your eyes are brown. Anyone who paid his workers twice the going rate would go bankrupt. How can you pay them twice the market rate if your company doesn't earn twice the market rate?

Anyone who paid his workers twice the going rate would go bankrupt.

Perhaps in Canada. Name one company in the US that went bankrupt because they paid their employees twice the going rate. In the US, how do you tell when a business owner is lying? When she/he tells you they're not making any money.

How can you pay them twice the market rate if your company doesn't earn twice the market rate?

Who says I don't? I don't pay for the leasing and maintenance of 300 pieces of equipment because I own the leasing company. I don't pay for supplies from two of the three supply companies because I own the suppliers. I'm the only company that provides on-going maintenance of towers as well as provides leasing of space which pays VERY WELL.

Wow.. helluva business model.... I'm a CPA and have seen many business people "not make any money". That's where I come in. And you charge twice the market rate? That's like saying you sell Cheerios for $8 and Winn Dixie sells them for $4 and you sell just as much.

I wanna know your secret cause you just blew the notion of competition right out of the water!!!

He has no competition in his imagination.
That also explains his illegally low tax rate.
 
dude, our capitalists should pay the finest tax rates money can pay.

They do. Our corporate tax rate is 40%... the highest in the world.

did you miss the one about a company ceo taking a pay cut but giving his employees a pay raise to the company minimum of $70k?

I didn't miss it. Such a sad story. Took the poor guy all of 3 months to fail.

The Sad Saga of the $70,000 Minimum Salary Company

Clearly, the entrepreneur acted impulsively, didn’t think things through, and, ultimately, he and his employees may pay a steep price for it. There are some very good reasons why none of you should even think about trying this sort of move at your own company today, tomorrow, or ever.

For one thing, it incentivizes the wrong employee behavior. Price lost some of his best people over his move and I can see why. An entry-level new hire who just clocks in and out is suddenly making almost as much as a veteran supervisor who busted her hump for years only to be rewarded with a miniscule raise.

Leveling the playing field all at once as he did breeds resentment and virtually eliminates the merits of meritocracy. You simply can’t raise the minimum salary that high without it having a negative ripple effect throughout the organization. You just can’t.

Nobody pays tax rates. Not even you.

Nobody pays tax rates.


You a tax rate on your corporate profit.
 
It's not bloviating, it's being factual. E-verify is a great tool... but in California, they passed a law in 2011 to prohibit requiring employers to use it. Liberals argue it violates rights to privacy. So IF we're going to get tough on companies who hire illegals, we need to get our ducks in a row on this...we can't enforce the laws when liberals stand in the way and reject our measures.

Even though it's not required, I use it. If you want to 'get our ducks in a row' make it a federal law.
 




As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study.
FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.
LOL. Immigrants do more then just that bub. Sure, like a wall will stop immigrants, and you want to deport millions of human beings.. What, do you want land mines?

Sure, like a wall will stop immigrants

Why can't a wall stop millions of illegals?

you want to deport millions of human beings.

Yes I do.

What, do you want land mines?


Probably won't be needed.
Because immigrants are usually desperate people looking for a better life? Oh, modern day nazi. Probably won't be needed? LOL.

The Nazi accusations aren't convincing anyone except the already deluded open-borders assholes like you. Every nation on earth has a right to control its borders. The claim that we don't is a novel idea pushed by those who hate America.

Do you give about Americans looking for work or who have low wages because they have to compete with cheap foreign labor?
 
As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study.
FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.

No one is talking about immigration. Do we need to make a new word to define illegal immigrants? It seems you keep getting them confused with immigrants. An illegal immigrant is not an immigrant. They are criminals who violated our law and entered our nation illegally. Potentially, they are a national security risk because we don't know who they are or where they came from.


Weird, you'd think the GOP/CONServatives would want to go after WHY they came here, you know JOBS? Oh yeah, can't touch those "job creators" right? lol

But they don't all come here to work. What about the ones who come here to be thieves and rapists? How do we go after why they came? What about the ones who come to be terrorists and commit terrorist acts? How do we go after why they came? What about the ones who just want to come here and live off the government handouts? Any ideas on how we can go after why they came?

I have always been in favor of strict penalties for companies who hire illegal aliens. I thought it was one of the worst arguments ever made by Bush regarding jobs Americans won't do. I don't have a problem with heavy fines or even jail time for people who knowingly hire illegal aliens... BUT... Houston, we have a problem here....

How do we hold companies accountable when we restrict them from even being able to ask Pedro for proper identification? How does a company comply without profiling, discriminating or violating rights to privacy? How can we hold them responsible for Pedro's clever ability to forge fake documentation? It's easy to say, punish employers who hire illegals, it's hard to enforce it in today's politically correct, over-litigious and hypersensitive environment. Not saying we shouldn't try, but it's going to take some understanding when it comes to verification processes and such.



A BUNCH OF RAPIST DRUG DEALERS AND TERRORISTS HUH? LOL

You fukkn moron


Jun 19, 2006


Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized


The Bush administration, which is vowing to crack down on U.S. companies that hire illegal workers, virtually abandoned such employer sanctions before it began pushing to overhaul U.S. immigration laws last year, government statistics show.

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.



In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three.

The government's steady retreat from workplace enforcement in the 20 years since it became illegal to hire undocumented workers is the result of fierce political pressure from business lobbies, immigrant rights groups and members of Congress


Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized

EVER HEAR OF EVERIFY?

Few use feds' simple tool to verify legal workers


Called E-Verify, the online government program uses records from the Social Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security to instantly check an employee's legal status after being hired. When word gets around that an employer uses the program, illegal immigrants stop applying, experts say.



...The program has run into strong opposition from business groups that say it creates an administrative burden. But experts say the real reason is that E-Verify makes it harder to hire illegal workers.



The debate over E-Verify has put local conservative groups in a tricky position: They oppose illegal immigration, but they support businesses that rely on illegal immigrants

BIGGEST CHEERLEADER? RIGHT WING CHAMBER OF COMMERCE!
Few use feds' simple tool to verify legal workers



GOV'T HANDOUTS HUH? You clueless freaking idiot!

The Bush administration, which is vowing to crack down on U.S. companies that hire illegal workers, virtually abandoned such employer sanctions before it began pushing to overhaul U.S. immigration laws last year, government statistics show.



It's true, Bush was horrible when it came to immigration.
Only Obama is worse.
 
He has no competition in his imagination.
That also explains his illegally low tax rate.

I have competition. I use their weaknesses to promote my business.

Again, nobody pays tax rates, not even you.

Again, nobody pays tax rates, not even you.

Your business doesn't pay a tax rate on your imaginary $36.5 million profit?
How do you calculate your tax liability?
 
How do we do that when liberals whine and moan over rights to privacy and anything that could resemble "profiling" in the workplace? So do they ask Pedro for his green card because he looks Mexican or has a Hispanic last name? Do they require all Latinos to prove citizenship as a condition of employment? How exactly do we ensure companies can comply with the law?

So we impose a $10M fine and 20 years in jail for every illegal they knowingly hire-- as long as they can say they didn't know, what damn difference does it make?

More bloviating.

If an employer used as an example, e-verify, and the employee past, then they didn't knowingly hire an illegal worker. No profiling involved.

It's not bloviating, it's being factual. E-verify is a great tool... but in California, they passed a law in 2011 to prohibit requiring employers to use it. Liberals argue it violates rights to privacy. So IF we're going to get tough on companies who hire illegals, we need to get our ducks in a row on this...we can't enforce the laws when liberals stand in the way and reject our measures.


In 2011 California passed Assembly Bill 1236, which says that state agencies, cities and counties cannot require private employers to use the federal E-Verify system to confirm the legal immigration status of workers they hire except when required by federal law or as a condition of receiving federal funds.

HOW LONGS THE GOP HAD CONGRESS BUBS? LOL

BUT BIZ OWNERS CAN CHOOSE TO BE PATRIOTIC RIGHT BUBS?
 
The Bush administration, which is vowing to crack down on U.S. companies that hire illegal workers, virtually abandoned such employer sanctions before it began pushing to overhaul U.S. immigration laws last year, government statistics show.


It's true, Bush was horrible when it came to immigration.
Only Obama is worse.

U.S. deportations of immigrants reach record high in 2013

Yes, Obama's fake deportation stats notwithstanding, he's even worse than Bush was.
 
Nobody pays tax rates. Not even you.

Perhaps in the same sense that "time doesn't exist" because the past doesn't exist anymore, the future doesn't exist yet and the present takes no amount of time? Or... in the sense that "reality" doesn't exist... only the illusion we perceive as reality?

I've argued with liberals before about this and made the very same point... Businesses don't pay tax... the consumer pays the tax. They don't seem to comprehend that concept.


I wish you had a functioning brain Bubs

HE SAID NO ONE PAYS THE TAX RATES, NOT TAXES. Marginal rates VERSUS effective rates is what he mean dummy!
Do you mean
what he mean dummy
or
what he means dummy
or
what he meant dummy.

I know its hard to type when you have to hit the keys with the pencil super glued to your helmet, but please do try harder.
 
Certificate applies to the NYFD sorry!

The rest of your rant is BS! You are talking out your ass once again.

Here's a trades reference. I sub members of what? The trades.

http://labor.alaska.gov/lss/forms/cof-regs.pdf

I have 20,000 more examples of how you are wrong.

Writing of 'you are wrong,'

How would you undo the deregulation of the HMO act which eliminated real competition in the healthcare insurance industry?

Has nothing to do whether they are illegal aliens or not.
 
How did Henry Ford justify doing something similar in the early 1900s?

I don't know but the time to argue vociferously in favor of the CEOs plan seems to be over now. This is what is wrong with Socialists... they can never admit when their ideas fail.

Go read the article I posted and stop arguing this was a good idea... it FAILED!


ONLY in right wing world could losing 2 right wing employees OUT OF OVER 120+ , INCREASING BIZ BY 75% BE CONSIDERED "FAILING"

Seattle company copes with backlash on $70,000 minimum wage

Not seeing that the two employees were right wing. Also not seeing business increased by 75%. Can you show me from the article these two facts. Thanks.


TWO out of 120 employees sound like you bubs, right winger

"The publicity surrounding the wage policy has generated benefits. Three months before the announcement, the firm had been adding 200 clients a month. In June, 350 signed up."


YOUR ARE WELCOME BUBS

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-company-copes-with-backlash-on-70000-minimum-wage/

Fuck face, you,have no proof that they were right wingers. So the guy increased business for one month. It has to be sustainable. I hope he makes it, but like he said things are tight because his brother is suing him.
 
HOW LONGS THE GOP HAD CONGRESS BUBS? LOL

Hey, don't come at ME with what the GOP hasn't done about illegal immigration... ask Mitch McConnell and John Boehner why nothing has been done! This is one of the main reasons you have Trump and Carson, two non-politicians, leading the race for the GOP nomination.

We're going to build a damn wall.. when it is finished and the paint is drying, we will pass mandatory e-verify and we will undoubtedly have to endure a SCOTUS challenge to it, led by the people YOU vote for. So sit down, shut up and wait for your moment to be a complete hypocrite again!
 
As Alex Nowrasteh, a former immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and currently a Cato Institute immigration policy analyst, pointed out, FAIR's study is riddled with errors and based on "poor methodology" that "fatally undermine this study":


FAIR's numerous errors, poor methodology, and failure to address criticisms of its previous work on this issue fatally undermine this study.
FAIR's methodology is so flawed that it leads to absurd conclusions. Applying its study's reasoning to studying the children of American citizens, one could conclude that it never pays to have children because the fiscal costs will always outweigh the benefits. That is prima facie absurd.

FAIR ignores the benefits of unauthorized immigration by claiming that other people, namely American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed, would step into the void. That conclusion ignores economic reality. Those who are unemployed or underemployed do not live in a state of economic hibernation cut off from all activity. Even if the jobs and businesses left vacant after deporting all unauthorized immigrants were somehow filled by Americans, the economic activity of those millions of people is still lost.

FAIR has a long history of making anti-immigrant remarks and is connected to white nationalist organizations. The group's founder, John Tanton, is the modern day architect of the anti-immigrant, nativist movement and also has a history of making anti-immigrant and racially charged remarks.


Fox Borrows "Fact" On Immigration Costs From Hate Group's Debunked Study




Immigration Expert: Passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Add At Least $1.5 Trillion To The U.S. Economy Over 10 Years. In a 2012 report about the economic benefits of comprehensive immigration reform published by the Cato Institute, UCLA professor and immigration expert Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda found that passing immigration reform "would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs, and generate additional tax revenue."

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj32n1/cj32n1-12.pdf




Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually. A report by the Bush-era White House Council of Economic Advisers found that immigrants increase gross domestic product "by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Strength in Diversity updated 061912.pdf#page=2


Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "By 2030, Nearly 70 Percent Of Latinos Who Came To The U.S. During The 1990s Are Expected To Own A Home."

Bush Administration Report Found That Immigration Adds $37 Billion To The U.S. Economy Annually.

Excellent! Losing $37 billion in GDP is a small price to pay.
Build a wall, deport the illegals.
LOL. Immigrants do more then just that bub. Sure, like a wall will stop immigrants, and you want to deport millions of human beings.. What, do you want land mines?

Sure, like a wall will stop immigrants

Why can't a wall stop millions of illegals?

you want to deport millions of human beings.

Yes I do.

What, do you want land mines?


Probably won't be needed.
Because immigrants are usually desperate people looking for a better life? Oh, modern day nazi. Probably won't be needed? LOL.

The Nazi accusations aren't convincing anyone except the already deluded open-borders assholes like you. Every nation on earth has a right to control its borders. The claim that we don't is a novel idea pushed by those who hate America.

Do you give about Americans looking for work or who have low wages because they have to compete with cheap foreign labor?
we have a Commerce Clause in law; why is the right so willing to imply Capitalism is useless.
 
If businesses don't pay taxes why do cities / states offer them tax breaks to move there?

If businesses don't pay taxes why do they care how much they are taxed? According to you they don't pay it anyway.

If businesses don't pay taxes why do they pay armies of lobbiests to get their tax rates cut?

If businesses don't pay taxes why do they pay armies of tax accountants to jigger their numbers and get them the lowest tax possible?

BUSINESSES DO PAY TAXES AND THEY COME OUT OF THE PROFITS THAT CAN BE DISTRIBUTED TO SHAREHOLDERS ( although hardly any business actually pays dividends anymore --- they prefer to hold massive amounts of cash in offshore banks ).

==============

Nobody pays tax rates. Not even you.

Perhaps in the same sense that "time doesn't exist" because the past doesn't exist anymore, the future doesn't exist yet and the present takes no amount of time? Or... in the sense that "reality" doesn't exist... only the illusion we perceive as reality?

I've argued with liberals before about this and made the very same point... Businesses don't pay tax... the consumer pays the tax. They don't seem to comprehend that concept.
 

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