Should The Rich Be Required To Pay Higher Taxes In the US?

[thanatos144]

So to progressives all Latin people are criminals

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[RKMBrown]

Hey, moron. They don't cross our border to attack us... they cross to make a living. There's a fucking difference you piece of shit.

How does that make one any easier to stop than the other? If anything, I imagine terrorists would be harder to stop.

You don't KILL PEOPLE FOR CROSSING A RIVER TO LOOK FOR WORK. You kill someone for illegally entering this country and you will FRY.

I have no idea what the above is supposed to mean. When have I ever proposed killing illegals?

If you don't kill em how are you gonna stop em from coming in? They will just keep coming and coming and coming. Once they get across we feed and board them then take them to the sanctuary city of their choice. What part of a wall won't do shit is confusing you?

Simply drive a few vehicles to the point where they are trying to enter and use normal policing tactics to apprehend them.

How do you think they are apprehended now?

They are not apprehended now. They are picked up for processing, which means given free clothes, food, meals, money and a ride to a sanctuary city.

 

[RKMBrown]

We don't kill people for illegal entry moron.

We should.

Let's put it this way... if you come to TX and start shooting illegals you will fry in the electric chair.

Nah. Not if President Trump uses his pen like Obama did.

Trump isn't going to allow us to murder illegal immigrants, he's not that insane like yourself.

It's not "murder" it's military action. We have to defend our borders from invaders. Sorry you don't comprehend that but it's in the Constitution if you'd like to read it.

Shooting unarmed men, women, and CHILDREN is not a military action. It's murder. Maybe that's how you treat people you don't like in the hood, but that's not how we treat people everywhere else.

 

[sakinago]

Nice deflection. So robber Barron's had no help from the rulers and princes of the times?
So JFK tax policy was bad for the economy?
Would you prefer the Venezuelan/Bernie sanders system of free trade as bad?

Yes rich people influence politicians, you seem to be mad at only the rich in general and one set of politicians. But hey we just need the right person in charge to do the right thing right?
nice sources, and individualism is bad how? So the people in power getting it wrong only need more power and then they'll start doing it right?

Weird ad homs and a bunch of deflection and BS?


DO YOU HAVE ANY POSIT TO MAKE OR NOT BUBS, STOP PLAYING IN THE FUKKN GRASS AND GROW UP. Make a posit or go fuk yourself!

No ad Homs, and no deflections, just asking you to clarify your views. Robber Barron's we're quite influential to those in power were they not?

Sure, like today's Robber Barrons, Koch/Walton's make up 6 of the top 10 wealthiest in the US, all inherited wealth too!


LBJ tax cuts were DEMAND side tax cuts, the ones JFK advocated for!


Let me guess a libertarian moron right? ONE NATION/STATE to EVER successfully use that BS?

They all fund both parties! And groups for both parties. You only recognize that a certain group of the rich are bad, unless they parrot your view, then everything questionable they do is permissible. And your answer is to give more power to a certain group of people (those in govt), people who, even if you get a group of good ones, will be corrupted themselves, or the next group eventually will. You quote Chris Hayes like he is some sort of wealth of political thought, and that there should be a high respect for governments job, but fail to see the need for respect for human nature that we constantly see over and over again throughout history?

You want to raise minimum wage, and you think that will help keep jobs in America? Ford and nabisco didn't just recently move to Mexico because they felt like they weren't paying their entry level employees enough.

You want to raise taxes as an answer... An answer for what exactly. If the government was a charity, and we looked at cents on the dollar that actually go to help people... You'd be shouting them down and telling people not to donate to them.

And sure ayn rand said some crazy things, but she also said some good things that are true, and I'm sure that you would agree with.

“When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion — when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing — when you see money flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors — when you see that men get richer by graft and pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you — when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice — you may know that your society is doomed.” Ayn Rand

Yea I'll take her over CORPORATE RUN Chris Hayes anyday. Granted I don't parrot everything that ayn rand says, but I discern what I agree with and what I don't agree with. I don't follow people blindly. It's naive and rash to think that your party is only capable of good.

You want a push towards socialism, which just creates an unnecessary utilitarianism. Where, at best, the good of the many will outweigh the good of the few. What almost always happens is the good of the people making the decisions for the good of the group takes precedence.

ANOTHER Randian fetishists *shaking head*

ONE place EVER that used that losertarin crap successfully ANYWHERE?

Great THEORY, but like communism, it's failure when tried!

YES, GOOD GOV'T POLICY MATTERS. Weird how ONE party has fought EVERYTHING that MIGHT shift the tax burden back to those "job creators" for 30+ years right? AFTER the growing inequality of the past 35 years

Yes, both parties are captured, but ONE party refuses to even adjust things around the edge to help with GOOD GOV'T POLICY AND INSTEAD USE LOSERTARIN POLICIES TO CREATE THE CURRENT SITUATION IN THE US, WHERE CORPS ARE PEOPLE AND PAY THE LOWEST TAX BURDEN IN 40 YEARS ON THEIR RECORD PROFITS

Over half of dividends/Cap gains go to the top 1/10th of 1% of US THINK THEY COULD AFFORD TO PAY A LIL MORE FOR GOV'T?

Socialism huh?


In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.

In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

Keynes wrote "The End of Laissez Faire" in 1926. He was correct then, and his insight remains more valid than any economics that conservative Libertarians propound ad infinitum and ad nauseum. Laissez Faire is nothing more than a childish Christmas wish of no substance; just hope and myth, and smoke and mirrors. Fails every time we try even the tiniest bit.

Try the country you live in and Switzerland. I'm not calling for anarchy, I'm calling for good policy too, not selective policy. And how does it fail? It's not by following it's own principles, it's by straying from it's principles. Communism fails by following it's own principles. And name a country that did fail that used strictly libertarian policy?

Business isn't bad, unless they are not playing by the rules, or getting made rules in their favor. Walmart is so bad right, they pay their employees poop right? Well they're able to do that because there is government policy that allows their employees to be subsidized by the government. They don't have to change or really offer competitive wages for employees. Government is not going to fix that by raising min wage. It's only cause the standard of living to become relatively more expensive. Just like giving more govt money out for college only makes the cost of college go up. Raise on min wage will also chase more business out of the US. How did regulation help the cab industry, or the phone industry. Look at uber and telephones now. How did lack of regulation effect the internet industry? Is net neutrality going to hurt or help an already booming new industry ?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

A border fence is cheaper than increasing patrols. Fence will cost under $20 billion & should last many decades. Increasing the number of agents by 20,000, as is proposed in the Corker-Hoeven amendment, would cost over $3.4 billion a year. Over the next decade, this increase would amount to over $34 billion.

The fence will do nothing. Any 5 year old child can circumvent a fence. What is needed is to man the border. Well that an end our welfare state that makes it profitable to come here and take low wage jobs. Charge them 10grand a year for each of their kids to go to an American school. That will slow down the invasion.

Hey, Jackwagon... A 5-year old can't cross the kind of wall Trump plans to build. We're probably going to put more people on the border until we get the wall built... but we're building a wall, get used to the idea...(and stop calling it a fence, Jeb and Marco) We'll deal with all other issues when the wall is built.

And hey... it doesn't matter if you want to compare it with the Great Wall of China or Berlin Wall.... that only demonstrates a wall CAN be built. And in our case, it is going to be built.

More Republican Big Government Spending Comong Up!

We recently had more big government, it's called Obamacare.

So BIG GOVERNMENT is great when it's for what you want???

What do you think Reagan's EMTALA was if it wasn't Very Expensive BIG GOV Healthcare???

Never was there a health care system that forces every citizen to comply or face a government fine, you can't compare this with any other standard because Obamacare set a new precedent in this country.

 

[Dad2three]

because we recognize social programs when we see them; when is the right going to dazzle us with capital programs.

Yes, you recognize huge boondoggles when you see them. That's what you like. Spending money wisely is what you don't like.

The right doesn't believe in huge capital programs. That's called crony capitalism. That's a Democrat thing.

"The right doesn't believe in huge capital programs."

EXCEPT UNFUNDED tax cuts, UNFUNDED Medicare expansions, UNFUNDED wars, etc

Allowing taxpayers to keep their money doesn't require "funding." Democrats wanted to make the same Medicare expansion, only do it more expensively. Why is it that Dims claim only wars are unfunded? Is Social Security "funded?" Obamacare? Any liberal social program?

Weird, FUNDING requires cutting something else OR getting new revenues, the GOP did the opposite, GUTTED revenues AS THEY EXPANDED Gov't

You assume spending is a given. You can't have a deficit without spending. Blaming tax cuts is like blaming the door you walk into for the knot on your forehead.



YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!

Sure Bubs, sure the Dems wanted to create a Medicare expansion that not only didn't give a single penny of new revenues, BUT by law forbid Gov't from negotiating with big pharma, lol

You can blather endlessly about how some Democrat Bill wouldn't have cost as much, but past history indicates something else.

Yes Bubs, SS has over $2.5+ trillion in the trust funds thanks to Ronnie increasing taxes on the working guy to hide the tax cuts for the rich, although it was designed as a PAY AS YOU GO INSURANCE SYSTEM

There is no trust fund," and there never has been. All FICA revenues go into the general fund and get spent immediately

Again, Obamacares was 100% FUNDED when passed.

It has been proven over and over again that it isn't. Furthermore, that claim ignores future cost increases.

Wars ARE UNFUNDED unless you cut other spending, or get more revenues, the GOP NOT ONLY GUTTED REVENUES FROM THE 20% OF GDP CLINTON/DEM POLICIES FINALLY GOT US BACK TO (CARTER LEVEL), BUT DID IT TWICE WHILE GOING TO TWO WARS AND TAKING US REVENUES BELOW 15% OF GDP (Korean war levels!!!)

You fukkn lying POS

The same goes for every government program. So when did the government increases taxes to fund SCHIP? When did they increase taxes to fund the numerous spending increases the Democrats always demand?

YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!


You ignore the GOP RAMMED DOWN OUR THROAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT MEDICARE EXPANSION WITHOUT A PENNY IN FUNDING, But whine about what the Dems MIGHT have done on Medicare expansion? lol

So the bonds that go to the trust funds don't really exist? The money isn't actual;y owed? But yes that was Ronnie's idea, increase tax burden on the working guy via his "saving" SS and use the revenues to hide the real costs of tax cuts for the rich, THEN when the debt you crated is due, claim your broke. GOP's plan all along!

Proven ACA unfunded? lol

SCHIP is located at Title IV, subtitle J of H.R. 2015 [105th] Balanced Budget Act of 1997. H.R. 2015 was introduced and sponsored by Rep John Kasich [R-OH] with no cosponsors. On 25 June 1997, H.R. 2015 passed House Vote Roll #241 mainly among partisan lines, 270 ayes and 162 nays, with most Democrats in the House of Representatives in opposition. On the same day, the bill passed in the Senate, with a substitute amendment, by unanimous consent. After a conference between the House and Senate, passage in both House (Roll #345: 346-85) and Senate (Roll #209: 85-15) on the conference substitute became more bipartisan.


State Children's Health Insurance Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The recent expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) was funded by an increase in federal excise taxes on tobacco ...


Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids


ACA HELPS FUND S-CHIP, BUT MAJOR FUNDING TODAY IS TOBACCO TAX BY THE DEMS (THAT OF COURSE DUBYA VETOED!)

Children’s Health Coverage: Medicaid, CHIP and the ACA


S. 275, the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009

 

[Papageorgio]

The lobbiests for business paid their lackeys in Congress to insert that one word " knowingly " in the law against hiring illegal aliens.

It makes it almost impossible to prove they " knowingly " hired the illegal.
Especially when the illegal presents forged documents that you can buy on the street in any major city --- they have a Social Security card and a Drivers License and a Birth Certificate often on original paper from the department that supposedly issued them. Crooked people in the government steal the paper and sell it to the forgers.

Until we get that one word removed the law will be WORTHLESS.

That one word is a Get Out Of Jail Free card to employers of illegal aliens.

So you think we should punish people who unknowingly break the law?

Went to Target a few years ago, at 8:00 AM (when they first opened) and the cleaning crew was leaving, 3-4 people, the manager had to ask them to wait while she got someone to interpret for her when she asked them questions. Nah she didn't have reason to SUSPECT they might be "illegal" right?


Go to ANY fast food restaurant, motel/hotel in the Salinas Valley near where I live, over 50% of the workers ARE suspected of being INELIGIBLE to work legally. Think BIZ SHOULD KNOW?

If they have the right documentation and fill out an I-9 that is all the employer can do. If they single out anyone because of a language barrier or because of skin color, that is discrimination.

An employer can e-verify but the government does not require the employer to do so at this time.

 

[sakinago]

Yes, you recognize huge boondoggles when you see them. That's what you like. Spending money wisely is what you don't like.

The right doesn't believe in huge capital programs. That's called crony capitalism. That's a Democrat thing.

"The right doesn't believe in huge capital programs."

EXCEPT UNFUNDED tax cuts, UNFUNDED Medicare expansions, UNFUNDED wars, etc

Allowing taxpayers to keep their money doesn't require "funding." Democrats wanted to make the same Medicare expansion, only do it more expensively. Why is it that Dims claim only wars are unfunded? Is Social Security "funded?" Obamacare? Any liberal social program?

Weird, FUNDING requires cutting something else OR getting new revenues, the GOP did the opposite, GUTTED revenues AS THEY EXPANDED Gov't

You assume spending is a given. You can't have a deficit without spending. Blaming tax cuts is like blaming the door you walk into for the knot on your forehead.



YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!

Sure Bubs, sure the Dems wanted to create a Medicare expansion that not only didn't give a single penny of new revenues, BUT by law forbid Gov't from negotiating with big pharma, lol

You can blather endlessly about how some Democrat Bill wouldn't have cost as much, but past history indicates something else.

Yes Bubs, SS has over $2.5+ trillion in the trust funds thanks to Ronnie increasing taxes on the working guy to hide the tax cuts for the rich, although it was designed as a PAY AS YOU GO INSURANCE SYSTEM

There is no trust fund," and there never has been. All FICA revenues go into the general fund and get spent immediately

Again, Obamacares was 100% FUNDED when passed.

It has been proven over and over again that it isn't. Furthermore, that claim ignores future cost increases.

Wars ARE UNFUNDED unless you cut other spending, or get more revenues, the GOP NOT ONLY GUTTED REVENUES FROM THE 20% OF GDP CLINTON/DEM POLICIES FINALLY GOT US BACK TO (CARTER LEVEL), BUT DID IT TWICE WHILE GOING TO TWO WARS AND TAKING US REVENUES BELOW 15% OF GDP (Korean war levels!!!)

You fukkn lying POS

The same goes for every government program. So when did the government increases taxes to fund SCHIP? When did they increase taxes to fund the numerous spending increases the Democrats always demand?

YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!


You ignore the GOP RAMMED DOWN OUR THROAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT MEDICARE EXPANSION WITHOUT A PENNY IN FUNDING, But whine about what the Dems MIGHT have done on Medicare expansion? lol

So the bonds that go to the trust funds don't really exist? The money isn't actual;y owed? But yes that was Ronnie's idea, increase tax burden on the working guy via his "saving" SS and use the revenues to hide the real costs of tax cuts for the rich, THEN when the debt you crated is due, claim your broke. GOP's plan all along!

Proven ACA unfunded? lol

SCHIP is located at Title IV, subtitle J of H.R. 2015 [105th] Balanced Budget Act of 1997. H.R. 2015 was introduced and sponsored by Rep John Kasich [R-OH] with no cosponsors. On 25 June 1997, H.R. 2015 passed House Vote Roll #241 mainly among partisan lines, 270 ayes and 162 nays, with most Democrats in the House of Representatives in opposition. On the same day, the bill passed in the Senate, with a substitute amendment, by unanimous consent. After a conference between the House and Senate, passage in both House (Roll #345: 346-85) and Senate (Roll #209: 85-15) on the conference substitute became more bipartisan.


State Children's Health Insurance Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The recent expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) was funded by an increase in federal excise taxes on tobacco ...


Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids


ACA HELPS FUND S-CHIP, BUT MAJOR FUNDING TODAY IS TOBACCO TAX BY THE DEMS (THAT OF COURSE DUBYA VETOED!)

Children’s Health Coverage: Medicaid, CHIP and the ACA


S. 275, the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009

Yes so let's shrink government spending in essentially useless areas...there are many that we can find, and let's find ways govt can do it's job more efficiently and with less cost.

 

[Dad2three]

Weird ad homs and a bunch of deflection and BS?


DO YOU HAVE ANY POSIT TO MAKE OR NOT BUBS, STOP PLAYING IN THE FUKKN GRASS AND GROW UP. Make a posit or go fuk yourself!

No ad Homs, and no deflections, just asking you to clarify your views. Robber Barron's we're quite influential to those in power were they not?

Sure, like today's Robber Barrons, Koch/Walton's make up 6 of the top 10 wealthiest in the US, all inherited wealth too!


LBJ tax cuts were DEMAND side tax cuts, the ones JFK advocated for!


Let me guess a libertarian moron right? ONE NATION/STATE to EVER successfully use that BS?

They all fund both parties! And groups for both parties. You only recognize that a certain group of the rich are bad, unless they parrot your view, then everything questionable they do is permissible. And your answer is to give more power to a certain group of people (those in govt), people who, even if you get a group of good ones, will be corrupted themselves, or the next group eventually will. You quote Chris Hayes like he is some sort of wealth of political thought, and that there should be a high respect for governments job, but fail to see the need for respect for human nature that we constantly see over and over again throughout history?

You want to raise minimum wage, and you think that will help keep jobs in America? Ford and nabisco didn't just recently move to Mexico because they felt like they weren't paying their entry level employees enough.

You want to raise taxes as an answer... An answer for what exactly. If the government was a charity, and we looked at cents on the dollar that actually go to help people... You'd be shouting them down and telling people not to donate to them.

And sure ayn rand said some crazy things, but she also said some good things that are true, and I'm sure that you would agree with.

“When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion — when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing — when you see money flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors — when you see that men get richer by graft and pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you — when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice — you may know that your society is doomed.” Ayn Rand

Yea I'll take her over CORPORATE RUN Chris Hayes anyday. Granted I don't parrot everything that ayn rand says, but I discern what I agree with and what I don't agree with. I don't follow people blindly. It's naive and rash to think that your party is only capable of good.

You want a push towards socialism, which just creates an unnecessary utilitarianism. Where, at best, the good of the many will outweigh the good of the few. What almost always happens is the good of the people making the decisions for the good of the group takes precedence.

ANOTHER Randian fetishists *shaking head*

ONE place EVER that used that losertarin crap successfully ANYWHERE?

Great THEORY, but like communism, it's failure when tried!

YES, GOOD GOV'T POLICY MATTERS. Weird how ONE party has fought EVERYTHING that MIGHT shift the tax burden back to those "job creators" for 30+ years right? AFTER the growing inequality of the past 35 years

Yes, both parties are captured, but ONE party refuses to even adjust things around the edge to help with GOOD GOV'T POLICY AND INSTEAD USE LOSERTARIN POLICIES TO CREATE THE CURRENT SITUATION IN THE US, WHERE CORPS ARE PEOPLE AND PAY THE LOWEST TAX BURDEN IN 40 YEARS ON THEIR RECORD PROFITS

Over half of dividends/Cap gains go to the top 1/10th of 1% of US THINK THEY COULD AFFORD TO PAY A LIL MORE FOR GOV'T?

Socialism huh?


In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.

In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

Keynes wrote "The End of Laissez Faire" in 1926. He was correct then, and his insight remains more valid than any economics that conservative Libertarians propound ad infinitum and ad nauseum. Laissez Faire is nothing more than a childish Christmas wish of no substance; just hope and myth, and smoke and mirrors. Fails every time we try even the tiniest bit.

Try the country you live in and Switzerland. I'm not calling for anarchy, I'm calling for good policy too, not selective policy. And how does it fail? It's not by following it's own principles, it's by straying from it's principles. Communism fails by following it's own principles. And name a country that did fail that used strictly libertarian policy?

Business isn't bad, unless they are not playing by the rules, or getting made rules in their favor. Walmart is so bad right, they pay their employees poop right? Well they're able to do that because there is government policy that allows their employees to be subsidized by the government. They don't have to change or really offer competitive wages for employees. Government is not going to fix that by raising min wage. It's only cause the standard of living to become relatively more expensive. Just like giving more govt money out for college only makes the cost of college go up. Raise on min wage will also chase more business out of the US. How did regulation help the cab industry, or the phone industry. Look at uber and telephones now. How did lack of regulation effect the internet industry? Is net neutrality going to hurt or help an already booming new industry ?

Nope the US NEVER was a libertarian nation, even when we had the "small states rights" Articles of Confederation

UNLESS you think HEAVY protectionists policies the US used from our founding until the last 30 years is libertarian?

NEVER

Swiss huh?

I remember you Klownboy,

MANDATORY military service?

The immigration restriction proposal passed by a narrow margin, with 50.3% of participating voters supporting the measure; the proposal was also approved by the required majority of cantons.The immigration measure requires the Swiss government to either renegotiate the Swiss-EU agreement of free movement of people within three years, or to revoke the agreement. The proposal mandates re-introduction of strict quotas for various immigration categories, and imposes limits on the ability of foreigners to bring in their family members to live in Switzerland, to access Swiss social security benefits, and to request asylum


Swiss referendums, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




How about that mandatory min income on the ballot for them?




There is no libertarian run country because that would force libertarians to rely on a collectivism to govern their country which goes against the individualism that libertarians claim they are!


UBER AND PHONES? Lol, you mean uber dismantling TAXI'S by not having a floor and not playing by the same rules? Phone, the US has 4 phone comps (90% OF SERVICE) for 300+ million residents. CHOICE?

Increasing min wage runs Biz out? lol

THE COUNTRY THAT USED STRICTLY LIBERTARIAN POLICY? Hint it's a gawddam FETISH NOT REALITY!

 

[Dad2three]

The fence will do nothing. Any 5 year old child can circumvent a fence. What is needed is to man the border. Well that an end our welfare state that makes it profitable to come here and take low wage jobs. Charge them 10grand a year for each of their kids to go to an American school. That will slow down the invasion.

Hey, Jackwagon... A 5-year old can't cross the kind of wall Trump plans to build. We're probably going to put more people on the border until we get the wall built... but we're building a wall, get used to the idea...(and stop calling it a fence, Jeb and Marco) We'll deal with all other issues when the wall is built.

And hey... it doesn't matter if you want to compare it with the Great Wall of China or Berlin Wall.... that only demonstrates a wall CAN be built. And in our case, it is going to be built.

More Republican Big Government Spending Comong Up!

We recently had more big government, it's called Obamacare.

So BIG GOVERNMENT is great when it's for what you want???

What do you think Reagan's EMTALA was if it wasn't Very Expensive BIG GOV Healthcare???

Never was there a health care system that forces every citizen to comply or face a government fine, you can't compare this with any other standard because Obamacare set a new precedent in this country.

LOL, Talking points are weak from you Bubs

 

[Dad2three]

The lobbiests for business paid their lackeys in Congress to insert that one word " knowingly " in the law against hiring illegal aliens.

It makes it almost impossible to prove they " knowingly " hired the illegal.
Especially when the illegal presents forged documents that you can buy on the street in any major city --- they have a Social Security card and a Drivers License and a Birth Certificate often on original paper from the department that supposedly issued them. Crooked people in the government steal the paper and sell it to the forgers.

Until we get that one word removed the law will be WORTHLESS.

That one word is a Get Out Of Jail Free card to employers of illegal aliens.

So you think we should punish people who unknowingly break the law?

Went to Target a few years ago, at 8:00 AM (when they first opened) and the cleaning crew was leaving, 3-4 people, the manager had to ask them to wait while she got someone to interpret for her when she asked them questions. Nah she didn't have reason to SUSPECT they might be "illegal" right?


Go to ANY fast food restaurant, motel/hotel in the Salinas Valley near where I live, over 50% of the workers ARE suspected of being INELIGIBLE to work legally. Think BIZ SHOULD KNOW?

If they have the right documentation and fill out an I-9 that is all the employer can do. If they single out anyone because of a language barrier or because of skin color, that is discrimination.

An employer can e-verify but the government does not require the employer to do so at this time.

Since YOU are the second right winger to buzz into the conversation and not get it, I'll say it once more

THERE IS NO LAW PREVENTING AN EMPLOYER FROM ASKING AT A JOB INTERVIEW IF THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO WORK IN THE US LEGALLY! None. Yes there are OTHER restrictions, BUT this is the question:

ARE YOU ALLOWED TO WORK IN THE US LEGALLY?

Again, EMPLOYERS KNOW they are hiring people who don't have the RIGHT to legally work i n the US but ARE hiring them BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PAY LOWER WAGES, THAT WAS THE PREMISE!!!

 

[percysunshine]

.
You know, it really sucks that the richest people in the country are mostly liberal Democrats. There is no stopping them now. We are all doomed....

.

 

[Dad2three]

"The right doesn't believe in huge capital programs."

EXCEPT UNFUNDED tax cuts, UNFUNDED Medicare expansions, UNFUNDED wars, etc

Allowing taxpayers to keep their money doesn't require "funding." Democrats wanted to make the same Medicare expansion, only do it more expensively. Why is it that Dims claim only wars are unfunded? Is Social Security "funded?" Obamacare? Any liberal social program?

Weird, FUNDING requires cutting something else OR getting new revenues, the GOP did the opposite, GUTTED revenues AS THEY EXPANDED Gov't

You assume spending is a given. You can't have a deficit without spending. Blaming tax cuts is like blaming the door you walk into for the knot on your forehead.



YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!

Sure Bubs, sure the Dems wanted to create a Medicare expansion that not only didn't give a single penny of new revenues, BUT by law forbid Gov't from negotiating with big pharma, lol

You can blather endlessly about how some Democrat Bill wouldn't have cost as much, but past history indicates something else.

Yes Bubs, SS has over $2.5+ trillion in the trust funds thanks to Ronnie increasing taxes on the working guy to hide the tax cuts for the rich, although it was designed as a PAY AS YOU GO INSURANCE SYSTEM

There is no trust fund," and there never has been. All FICA revenues go into the general fund and get spent immediately

Again, Obamacares was 100% FUNDED when passed.

It has been proven over and over again that it isn't. Furthermore, that claim ignores future cost increases.

Wars ARE UNFUNDED unless you cut other spending, or get more revenues, the GOP NOT ONLY GUTTED REVENUES FROM THE 20% OF GDP CLINTON/DEM POLICIES FINALLY GOT US BACK TO (CARTER LEVEL), BUT DID IT TWICE WHILE GOING TO TWO WARS AND TAKING US REVENUES BELOW 15% OF GDP (Korean war levels!!!)

You fukkn lying POS

The same goes for every government program. So when did the government increases taxes to fund SCHIP? When did they increase taxes to fund the numerous spending increases the Democrats always demand?

YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!


You ignore the GOP RAMMED DOWN OUR THROAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT MEDICARE EXPANSION WITHOUT A PENNY IN FUNDING, But whine about what the Dems MIGHT have done on Medicare expansion? lol

So the bonds that go to the trust funds don't really exist? The money isn't actual;y owed? But yes that was Ronnie's idea, increase tax burden on the working guy via his "saving" SS and use the revenues to hide the real costs of tax cuts for the rich, THEN when the debt you crated is due, claim your broke. GOP's plan all along!

Proven ACA unfunded? lol

SCHIP is located at Title IV, subtitle J of H.R. 2015 [105th] Balanced Budget Act of 1997. H.R. 2015 was introduced and sponsored by Rep John Kasich [R-OH] with no cosponsors. On 25 June 1997, H.R. 2015 passed House Vote Roll #241 mainly among partisan lines, 270 ayes and 162 nays, with most Democrats in the House of Representatives in opposition. On the same day, the bill passed in the Senate, with a substitute amendment, by unanimous consent. After a conference between the House and Senate, passage in both House (Roll #345: 346-85) and Senate (Roll #209: 85-15) on the conference substitute became more bipartisan.


State Children's Health Insurance Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The recent expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) was funded by an increase in federal excise taxes on tobacco ...


Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids


ACA HELPS FUND S-CHIP, BUT MAJOR FUNDING TODAY IS TOBACCO TAX BY THE DEMS (THAT OF COURSE DUBYA VETOED!)

Children’s Health Coverage: Medicaid, CHIP and the ACA


S. 275, the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009

Yes so let's shrink government spending in essentially useless areas...there are many that we can find, and let's find ways govt can do it's job more efficiently and with less cost.

Weird, right wingers CLAIM that nonsense, but generally can't back it up, you?

Want Gov't to run more effectually AND EFFICIENTLY? Stop electing guys who think Gov't IS the problem and NEVER the solution!

Easiest way is to get money out of politics and stop the plutocrats from capturing Gov't

 

[percysunshine]

Allowing taxpayers to keep their money doesn't require "funding." Democrats wanted to make the same Medicare expansion, only do it more expensively. Why is it that Dims claim only wars are unfunded? Is Social Security "funded?" Obamacare? Any liberal social program?

Weird, FUNDING requires cutting something else OR getting new revenues, the GOP did the opposite, GUTTED revenues AS THEY EXPANDED Gov't

You assume spending is a given. You can't have a deficit without spending. Blaming tax cuts is like blaming the door you walk into for the knot on your forehead.



YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!

Sure Bubs, sure the Dems wanted to create a Medicare expansion that not only didn't give a single penny of new revenues, BUT by law forbid Gov't from negotiating with big pharma, lol

You can blather endlessly about how some Democrat Bill wouldn't have cost as much, but past history indicates something else.

Yes Bubs, SS has over $2.5+ trillion in the trust funds thanks to Ronnie increasing taxes on the working guy to hide the tax cuts for the rich, although it was designed as a PAY AS YOU GO INSURANCE SYSTEM

There is no trust fund," and there never has been. All FICA revenues go into the general fund and get spent immediately

Again, Obamacares was 100% FUNDED when passed.

It has been proven over and over again that it isn't. Furthermore, that claim ignores future cost increases.

Wars ARE UNFUNDED unless you cut other spending, or get more revenues, the GOP NOT ONLY GUTTED REVENUES FROM THE 20% OF GDP CLINTON/DEM POLICIES FINALLY GOT US BACK TO (CARTER LEVEL), BUT DID IT TWICE WHILE GOING TO TWO WARS AND TAKING US REVENUES BELOW 15% OF GDP (Korean war levels!!!)

You fukkn lying POS

The same goes for every government program. So when did the government increases taxes to fund SCHIP? When did they increase taxes to fund the numerous spending increases the Democrats always demand?

YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!


You ignore the GOP RAMMED DOWN OUR THROAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT MEDICARE EXPANSION WITHOUT A PENNY IN FUNDING, But whine about what the Dems MIGHT have done on Medicare expansion? lol

So the bonds that go to the trust funds don't really exist? The money isn't actual;y owed? But yes that was Ronnie's idea, increase tax burden on the working guy via his "saving" SS and use the revenues to hide the real costs of tax cuts for the rich, THEN when the debt you crated is due, claim your broke. GOP's plan all along!

Proven ACA unfunded? lol

SCHIP is located at Title IV, subtitle J of H.R. 2015 [105th] Balanced Budget Act of 1997. H.R. 2015 was introduced and sponsored by Rep John Kasich [R-OH] with no cosponsors. On 25 June 1997, H.R. 2015 passed House Vote Roll #241 mainly among partisan lines, 270 ayes and 162 nays, with most Democrats in the House of Representatives in opposition. On the same day, the bill passed in the Senate, with a substitute amendment, by unanimous consent. After a conference between the House and Senate, passage in both House (Roll #345: 346-85) and Senate (Roll #209: 85-15) on the conference substitute became more bipartisan.


State Children's Health Insurance Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The recent expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) was funded by an increase in federal excise taxes on tobacco ...


Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids


ACA HELPS FUND S-CHIP, BUT MAJOR FUNDING TODAY IS TOBACCO TAX BY THE DEMS (THAT OF COURSE DUBYA VETOED!)

Children’s Health Coverage: Medicaid, CHIP and the ACA


S. 275, the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009

Yes so let's shrink government spending in essentially useless areas...there are many that we can find, and let's find ways govt can do it's job more efficiently and with less cost.

Weird, right wingers CLAIM that nonsense, but generally can't back it up, you?

Want Gov't to run more effectually AND EFFICIENTLY? Stop electing guys who think Gov't IS the problem and NEVER the solution!

Easiest way is to get money out of politics and stop the plutocrats from capturing Gov't

Right On! ...like ... Detroit and ..um ... well ... Right On!

.

 

[sakinago]

No ad Homs, and no deflections, just asking you to clarify your views. Robber Barron's we're quite influential to those in power were they not?

Sure, like today's Robber Barrons, Koch/Walton's make up 6 of the top 10 wealthiest in the US, all inherited wealth too!


LBJ tax cuts were DEMAND side tax cuts, the ones JFK advocated for!


Let me guess a libertarian moron right? ONE NATION/STATE to EVER successfully use that BS?

They all fund both parties! And groups for both parties. You only recognize that a certain group of the rich are bad, unless they parrot your view, then everything questionable they do is permissible. And your answer is to give more power to a certain group of people (those in govt), people who, even if you get a group of good ones, will be corrupted themselves, or the next group eventually will. You quote Chris Hayes like he is some sort of wealth of political thought, and that there should be a high respect for governments job, but fail to see the need for respect for human nature that we constantly see over and over again throughout history?

You want to raise minimum wage, and you think that will help keep jobs in America? Ford and nabisco didn't just recently move to Mexico because they felt like they weren't paying their entry level employees enough.

You want to raise taxes as an answer... An answer for what exactly. If the government was a charity, and we looked at cents on the dollar that actually go to help people... You'd be shouting them down and telling people not to donate to them.

And sure ayn rand said some crazy things, but she also said some good things that are true, and I'm sure that you would agree with.

“When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion — when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing — when you see money flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors — when you see that men get richer by graft and pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you — when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice — you may know that your society is doomed.” Ayn Rand

Yea I'll take her over CORPORATE RUN Chris Hayes anyday. Granted I don't parrot everything that ayn rand says, but I discern what I agree with and what I don't agree with. I don't follow people blindly. It's naive and rash to think that your party is only capable of good.

You want a push towards socialism, which just creates an unnecessary utilitarianism. Where, at best, the good of the many will outweigh the good of the few. What almost always happens is the good of the people making the decisions for the good of the group takes precedence.

ANOTHER Randian fetishists *shaking head*

ONE place EVER that used that losertarin crap successfully ANYWHERE?

Great THEORY, but like communism, it's failure when tried!

YES, GOOD GOV'T POLICY MATTERS. Weird how ONE party has fought EVERYTHING that MIGHT shift the tax burden back to those "job creators" for 30+ years right? AFTER the growing inequality of the past 35 years

Yes, both parties are captured, but ONE party refuses to even adjust things around the edge to help with GOOD GOV'T POLICY AND INSTEAD USE LOSERTARIN POLICIES TO CREATE THE CURRENT SITUATION IN THE US, WHERE CORPS ARE PEOPLE AND PAY THE LOWEST TAX BURDEN IN 40 YEARS ON THEIR RECORD PROFITS

Over half of dividends/Cap gains go to the top 1/10th of 1% of US THINK THEY COULD AFFORD TO PAY A LIL MORE FOR GOV'T?

Socialism huh?


In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.

In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

Keynes wrote "The End of Laissez Faire" in 1926. He was correct then, and his insight remains more valid than any economics that conservative Libertarians propound ad infinitum and ad nauseum. Laissez Faire is nothing more than a childish Christmas wish of no substance; just hope and myth, and smoke and mirrors. Fails every time we try even the tiniest bit.

Try the country you live in and Switzerland. I'm not calling for anarchy, I'm calling for good policy too, not selective policy. And how does it fail? It's not by following it's own principles, it's by straying from it's principles. Communism fails by following it's own principles. And name a country that did fail that used strictly libertarian policy?

Business isn't bad, unless they are not playing by the rules, or getting made rules in their favor. Walmart is so bad right, they pay their employees poop right? Well they're able to do that because there is government policy that allows their employees to be subsidized by the government. They don't have to change or really offer competitive wages for employees. Government is not going to fix that by raising min wage. It's only cause the standard of living to become relatively more expensive. Just like giving more govt money out for college only makes the cost of college go up. Raise on min wage will also chase more business out of the US. How did regulation help the cab industry, or the phone industry. Look at uber and telephones now. How did lack of regulation effect the internet industry? Is net neutrality going to hurt or help an already booming new industry ?

Nope the US NEVER was a libertarian nation, even when we had the "small states rights" Articles of Confederation

UNLESS you think HEAVY protectionists policies the US used from our founding until the last 30 years is libertarian?

NEVER

Swiss huh?

I remember you Klownboy,

MANDATORY military service?

The immigration restriction proposal passed by a narrow margin, with 50.3% of participating voters supporting the measure; the proposal was also approved by the required majority of cantons.The immigration measure requires the Swiss government to either renegotiate the Swiss-EU agreement of free movement of people within three years, or to revoke the agreement. The proposal mandates re-introduction of strict quotas for various immigration categories, and imposes limits on the ability of foreigners to bring in their family members to live in Switzerland, to access Swiss social security benefits, and to request asylum


Swiss referendums, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




How about that mandatory min income on the ballot for them?




There is no libertarian run country because that would force libertarians to rely on a collectivism to govern their country which goes against the individualism that libertarians claim they are!


UBER AND PHONES? Lol, you mean uber dismantling TAXI'S by not having a floor and not playing by the same rules? Phone, the US has 4 phone comps (90% OF SERVICE) for 300+ million residents. CHOICE?

Increasing min wage runs Biz out? lol

THE COUNTRY THAT USED STRICTLY LIBERTARIAN POLICY? Hint it's a gawddam FETISH NOT REALITY!

 

[Dad2three]

.
You know, it really sucks that the richest people in the country are mostly liberal Democrats. There is no stopping them now. We are all doomed....

.

Yet the top 6 of 10 are right wing Koch/Walton family who inherited their money. Go figure

Forbes took at look at the 50 richest clans on our new list of America’s Richest Families. There are a handful of politicians in the mix, and an overwhelming majority that support one political party far more than another.




The politics of other billion-dollar families aren’t as well known. Of the 50 richest families, 28 mainly donate to Republicans and only seven contribute mainly to Democrats

Are America's Richest Families Republicans or Democrats?

 

[Dad2three]

Weird, FUNDING requires cutting something else OR getting new revenues, the GOP did the opposite, GUTTED revenues AS THEY EXPANDED Gov't

You assume spending is a given. You can't have a deficit without spending. Blaming tax cuts is like blaming the door you walk into for the knot on your forehead.



YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!

Sure Bubs, sure the Dems wanted to create a Medicare expansion that not only didn't give a single penny of new revenues, BUT by law forbid Gov't from negotiating with big pharma, lol

You can blather endlessly about how some Democrat Bill wouldn't have cost as much, but past history indicates something else.

Yes Bubs, SS has over $2.5+ trillion in the trust funds thanks to Ronnie increasing taxes on the working guy to hide the tax cuts for the rich, although it was designed as a PAY AS YOU GO INSURANCE SYSTEM

There is no trust fund," and there never has been. All FICA revenues go into the general fund and get spent immediately

Again, Obamacares was 100% FUNDED when passed.

It has been proven over and over again that it isn't. Furthermore, that claim ignores future cost increases.

Wars ARE UNFUNDED unless you cut other spending, or get more revenues, the GOP NOT ONLY GUTTED REVENUES FROM THE 20% OF GDP CLINTON/DEM POLICIES FINALLY GOT US BACK TO (CARTER LEVEL), BUT DID IT TWICE WHILE GOING TO TWO WARS AND TAKING US REVENUES BELOW 15% OF GDP (Korean war levels!!!)

You fukkn lying POS

The same goes for every government program. So when did the government increases taxes to fund SCHIP? When did they increase taxes to fund the numerous spending increases the Democrats always demand?

YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!


You ignore the GOP RAMMED DOWN OUR THROAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT MEDICARE EXPANSION WITHOUT A PENNY IN FUNDING, But whine about what the Dems MIGHT have done on Medicare expansion? lol

So the bonds that go to the trust funds don't really exist? The money isn't actual;y owed? But yes that was Ronnie's idea, increase tax burden on the working guy via his "saving" SS and use the revenues to hide the real costs of tax cuts for the rich, THEN when the debt you crated is due, claim your broke. GOP's plan all along!

Proven ACA unfunded? lol

SCHIP is located at Title IV, subtitle J of H.R. 2015 [105th] Balanced Budget Act of 1997. H.R. 2015 was introduced and sponsored by Rep John Kasich [R-OH] with no cosponsors. On 25 June 1997, H.R. 2015 passed House Vote Roll #241 mainly among partisan lines, 270 ayes and 162 nays, with most Democrats in the House of Representatives in opposition. On the same day, the bill passed in the Senate, with a substitute amendment, by unanimous consent. After a conference between the House and Senate, passage in both House (Roll #345: 346-85) and Senate (Roll #209: 85-15) on the conference substitute became more bipartisan.


State Children's Health Insurance Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The recent expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) was funded by an increase in federal excise taxes on tobacco ...


Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids


ACA HELPS FUND S-CHIP, BUT MAJOR FUNDING TODAY IS TOBACCO TAX BY THE DEMS (THAT OF COURSE DUBYA VETOED!)

Children’s Health Coverage: Medicaid, CHIP and the ACA


S. 275, the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009

Yes so let's shrink government spending in essentially useless areas...there are many that we can find, and let's find ways govt can do it's job more efficiently and with less cost.

Weird, right wingers CLAIM that nonsense, but generally can't back it up, you?

Want Gov't to run more effectually AND EFFICIENTLY? Stop electing guys who think Gov't IS the problem and NEVER the solution!

Easiest way is to get money out of politics and stop the plutocrats from capturing Gov't

Right On! ...like ... Detroit and ..um ... well ... Right On!

.

Weird how critical thinking escapes the low informed like you right? Yeah, Detroit wasn't a reflection of CONservative policies that weakened the rust belt, like tax cuts to offshore jobs, "free trade", gutting safety net spending on education, etc...

 

[percysunshine]

.
You know, it really sucks that the richest people in the country are mostly liberal Democrats. There is no stopping them now. We are all doomed....

.

Yet the top 6 of 10 are right wing Koch/Walton family who inherited their money. Go figure

Forbes took at look at the 50 richest clans on our new list of America’s Richest Families. There are a handful of politicians in the mix, and an overwhelming majority that support one political party far more than another.




The politics of other billion-dollar families aren’t as well known. Of the 50 richest families, 28 mainly donate to Republicans and only seven contribute mainly to Democrats

Are America's Richest Families Republicans or Democrats?

Top 10 wealthiest senators

Dang ... Democrats....

 

[percysunshine]

You assume spending is a given. You can't have a deficit without spending. Blaming tax cuts is like blaming the door you walk into for the knot on your forehead.



YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!



You can blather endlessly about how some Democrat Bill wouldn't have cost as much, but past history indicates something else.




There is no trust fund," and there never has been. All FICA revenues go into the general fund and get spent immediately

It has been proven over and over again that it isn't. Furthermore, that claim ignores future cost increases.

The same goes for every government program. So when did the government increases taxes to fund SCHIP? When did they increase taxes to fund the numerous spending increases the Democrats always demand?

YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!


You ignore the GOP RAMMED DOWN OUR THROAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT MEDICARE EXPANSION WITHOUT A PENNY IN FUNDING, But whine about what the Dems MIGHT have done on Medicare expansion? lol

So the bonds that go to the trust funds don't really exist? The money isn't actual;y owed? But yes that was Ronnie's idea, increase tax burden on the working guy via his "saving" SS and use the revenues to hide the real costs of tax cuts for the rich, THEN when the debt you crated is due, claim your broke. GOP's plan all along!

Proven ACA unfunded? lol

SCHIP is located at Title IV, subtitle J of H.R. 2015 [105th] Balanced Budget Act of 1997. H.R. 2015 was introduced and sponsored by Rep John Kasich [R-OH] with no cosponsors. On 25 June 1997, H.R. 2015 passed House Vote Roll #241 mainly among partisan lines, 270 ayes and 162 nays, with most Democrats in the House of Representatives in opposition. On the same day, the bill passed in the Senate, with a substitute amendment, by unanimous consent. After a conference between the House and Senate, passage in both House (Roll #345: 346-85) and Senate (Roll #209: 85-15) on the conference substitute became more bipartisan.


State Children's Health Insurance Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The recent expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) was funded by an increase in federal excise taxes on tobacco ...


Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids


ACA HELPS FUND S-CHIP, BUT MAJOR FUNDING TODAY IS TOBACCO TAX BY THE DEMS (THAT OF COURSE DUBYA VETOED!)

Children’s Health Coverage: Medicaid, CHIP and the ACA


S. 275, the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009

Yes so let's shrink government spending in essentially useless areas...there are many that we can find, and let's find ways govt can do it's job more efficiently and with less cost.

Weird, right wingers CLAIM that nonsense, but generally can't back it up, you?

Want Gov't to run more effectually AND EFFICIENTLY? Stop electing guys who think Gov't IS the problem and NEVER the solution!

Easiest way is to get money out of politics and stop the plutocrats from capturing Gov't

Right On! ...like ... Detroit and ..um ... well ... Right On!

.

Weird how critical thinking escapes the low informed like you right? Yeah, Detroit wasn't a reflection of CONservative policies that weakened the rust belt, like tax cuts to offshore jobs, "free trade", gutting safety net spending on education, etc...

Sure ... blame urban decay and bankruptcy on conservatives even though liberals have been running the cities for the past 50 years...Right On!

 

[sakinago]

No ad Homs, and no deflections, just asking you to clarify your views. Robber Barron's we're quite influential to those in power were they not?

Sure, like today's Robber Barrons, Koch/Walton's make up 6 of the top 10 wealthiest in the US, all inherited wealth too!


LBJ tax cuts were DEMAND side tax cuts, the ones JFK advocated for!


Let me guess a libertarian moron right? ONE NATION/STATE to EVER successfully use that BS?

They all fund both parties! And groups for both parties. You only recognize that a certain group of the rich are bad, unless they parrot your view, then everything questionable they do is permissible. And your answer is to give more power to a certain group of people (those in govt), people who, even if you get a group of good ones, will be corrupted themselves, or the next group eventually will. You quote Chris Hayes like he is some sort of wealth of political thought, and that there should be a high respect for governments job, but fail to see the need for respect for human nature that we constantly see over and over again throughout history?

You want to raise minimum wage, and you think that will help keep jobs in America? Ford and nabisco didn't just recently move to Mexico because they felt like they weren't paying their entry level employees enough.

You want to raise taxes as an answer... An answer for what exactly. If the government was a charity, and we looked at cents on the dollar that actually go to help people... You'd be shouting them down and telling people not to donate to them.

And sure ayn rand said some crazy things, but she also said some good things that are true, and I'm sure that you would agree with.

“When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion — when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing — when you see money flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors — when you see that men get richer by graft and pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you — when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice — you may know that your society is doomed.” Ayn Rand

Yea I'll take her over CORPORATE RUN Chris Hayes anyday. Granted I don't parrot everything that ayn rand says, but I discern what I agree with and what I don't agree with. I don't follow people blindly. It's naive and rash to think that your party is only capable of good.

You want a push towards socialism, which just creates an unnecessary utilitarianism. Where, at best, the good of the many will outweigh the good of the few. What almost always happens is the good of the people making the decisions for the good of the group takes precedence.

ANOTHER Randian fetishists *shaking head*

ONE place EVER that used that losertarin crap successfully ANYWHERE?

Great THEORY, but like communism, it's failure when tried!

YES, GOOD GOV'T POLICY MATTERS. Weird how ONE party has fought EVERYTHING that MIGHT shift the tax burden back to those "job creators" for 30+ years right? AFTER the growing inequality of the past 35 years

Yes, both parties are captured, but ONE party refuses to even adjust things around the edge to help with GOOD GOV'T POLICY AND INSTEAD USE LOSERTARIN POLICIES TO CREATE THE CURRENT SITUATION IN THE US, WHERE CORPS ARE PEOPLE AND PAY THE LOWEST TAX BURDEN IN 40 YEARS ON THEIR RECORD PROFITS

Over half of dividends/Cap gains go to the top 1/10th of 1% of US THINK THEY COULD AFFORD TO PAY A LIL MORE FOR GOV'T?

Socialism huh?


In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.

In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

Keynes wrote "The End of Laissez Faire" in 1926. He was correct then, and his insight remains more valid than any economics that conservative Libertarians propound ad infinitum and ad nauseum. Laissez Faire is nothing more than a childish Christmas wish of no substance; just hope and myth, and smoke and mirrors. Fails every time we try even the tiniest bit.

Try the country you live in and Switzerland. I'm not calling for anarchy, I'm calling for good policy too, not selective policy. And how does it fail? It's not by following it's own principles, it's by straying from it's principles. Communism fails by following it's own principles. And name a country that did fail that used strictly libertarian policy?

Business isn't bad, unless they are not playing by the rules, or getting made rules in their favor. Walmart is so bad right, they pay their employees poop right? Well they're able to do that because there is government policy that allows their employees to be subsidized by the government. They don't have to change or really offer competitive wages for employees. Government is not going to fix that by raising min wage. It's only cause the standard of living to become relatively more expensive. Just like giving more govt money out for college only makes the cost of college go up. Raise on min wage will also chase more business out of the US. How did regulation help the cab industry, or the phone industry. Look at uber and telephones now. How did lack of regulation effect the internet industry? Is net neutrality going to hurt or help an already booming new industry ?

Nope the US NEVER was a libertarian nation, even when we had the "small states rights" Articles of Confederation

UNLESS you think HEAVY protectionists policies the US used from our founding until the last 30 years is libertarian?

NEVER

Swiss huh?

I remember you Klownboy,

MANDATORY military service?

The immigration restriction proposal passed by a narrow margin, with 50.3% of participating voters supporting the measure; the proposal was also approved by the required majority of cantons.The immigration measure requires the Swiss government to either renegotiate the Swiss-EU agreement of free movement of people within three years, or to revoke the agreement. The proposal mandates re-introduction of strict quotas for various immigration categories, and imposes limits on the ability of foreigners to bring in their family members to live in Switzerland, to access Swiss social security benefits, and to request asylum


Swiss referendums, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




How about that mandatory min income on the ballot for them?




There is no libertarian run country because that would force libertarians to rely on a collectivism to govern their country which goes against the individualism that libertarians claim they are!


UBER AND PHONES? Lol, you mean uber dismantling TAXI'S by not having a floor and not playing by the same rules? Phone, the US has 4 phone comps (90% OF SERVICE) for 300+ million residents. CHOICE?

Increasing min wage runs Biz out? lol

THE COUNTRY THAT USED STRICTLY LIBERTARIAN POLICY? Hint it's a gawddam FETISH NOT REALITY!

What the hell is your definition of libertarianism!?!? Fwi it's a very very diverse group with thousands of individual beliefs, unlike the two parties we see today. It's alarming when one whole group essentially agrees with everything they're "leaders" push. I have a hard time seeing how that's a good thing.

And mandatory military service isn't bad policy...especially when your a neutral country that doesn't get involved in foreign wars!!! And it's up to the people to be the first and last line of defense for their country. Why didn't hitler invade the Swiss and steal their gold like they did to all of Germany's other neighbors?

Nor is immigration restrictions so poverty isn't imported and fed off of tax payers dollars. And yea if you arnt paying taxes, you shouldn't be able to vote, because you dont have a stake in where your tax dollars are going and will vote for handouts.