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Yes so let's shrink government spending in essentially useless areas...there are many that we can find, and let's find ways govt can do it's job more efficiently and with less cost.YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!
You ignore the GOP RAMMED DOWN OUR THROAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT MEDICARE EXPANSION WITHOUT A PENNY IN FUNDING, But whine about what the Dems MIGHT have done on Medicare expansion? lol
So the bonds that go to the trust funds don't really exist? The money isn't actual;y owed? But yes that was Ronnie's idea, increase tax burden on the working guy via his "saving" SS and use the revenues to hide the real costs of tax cuts for the rich, THEN when the debt you crated is due, claim your broke. GOP's plan all along!
Proven ACA unfunded? lol
SCHIP is located at Title IV, subtitle J of H.R. 2015 [105th] Balanced Budget Act of 1997. H.R. 2015 was introduced and sponsored by Rep John Kasich [R-OH] with no cosponsors. On 25 June 1997, H.R. 2015 passed House Vote Roll #241 mainly among partisan lines, 270 ayes and 162 nays, with most Democrats in the House of Representatives in opposition. On the same day, the bill passed in the Senate, with a substitute amendment, by unanimous consent. After a conference between the House and Senate, passage in both House (Roll #345: 346-85) and Senate (Roll #209: 85-15) on the conference substitute became more bipartisan.
State Children's Health Insurance Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The recent expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) was funded by an increase in federal excise taxes on tobacco ...
Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids
ACA HELPS FUND S-CHIP, BUT MAJOR FUNDING TODAY IS TOBACCO TAX BY THE DEMS (THAT OF COURSE DUBYA VETOED!)
Children’s Health Coverage: Medicaid, CHIP and the ACA
S. 275, the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009
Before I respond, I noticed you are talking to Dad2Three. This guy is a well known forum wide, as a mindless troll. That's not an insult or exaggeration. It's simply what he is. If you ever pin him down on anything, he will simply resort to insults, and spamming links, and often the same links that have been responded to 50 posts earlier in the same thread. When you counter the claims on those links, he'll spam them again, as if he lives in a bubble where information contrary to his beliefs doesn't exist.
I'm just warning you for your own benefit. You'll find very few people respond to Dad2Three because the majority of us, already have him on ignore. I forgot he still existed on this forum, until I replied to your post.
That said.....
The problem is, there is a justification for nearly every single government function. You claim it's useless, but in reality, every action government takes has a purpose.
And while it seems obvious and clear that we should cut out wasteful spending, and bad programs, and destructive laws....
That's not how government sees it. Politicians, especially non-business career politicians, are not interested, or give a crap about the country in the long term. They want their cushy government jobs.
Thomas Sowell had this great story about how he was working at the Department of Labor.
Now if you fast forward to 6 Minutes in, Sowell is talking about how he was a Marxist. But working for the Department of Labor cured him. He realized that the Department of Labor had no interest in whether or not the laws passed were economically beneficial, but rather that they towed the correct policy that continued to pay for their cushy jobs.
And see, that's how all government works. Back in the late 90s, happened to see a news broadcast from the local TV station. This was after the welfare reform bill had passed, and people were kicked off welfare and food stamps throughout the country.
The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, (which runs welfare and food stamps), started running TV commercials advertising food stamps and welfare benefits. The New Broadcast highlighted the ads, and boldly proclaimed "Ohio is losing millions of dollars every year".
Now how would we be losing millions of dollars? We were not. In fact Ohio was saving millions of dollars. If you look up the Ohio budget during the 90s, we saved money. But they were adding in Federal welfare and food stamp dollars, that were not given to the State because we didn't have as many recipients.
But.... the people at The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services didn't want to lose their cushy jobs. No recipients, no cushy government jobs. So they spent tens of thousands of dollars advertising welfare and food stamps on the TV.
I think it's admirable that you want government to be more efficient and less wasteful.... and if we were talking about a private business, then that would work.
But the reality is, the people who work in these government agencies have zero reason to not waste money, and every single reason possible to waste and be as inefficient as they can.
You are never going to convince government employees that it's in there best interest to be more effective so that fewer government employees is needed, and they can eliminate their own jobs.
You are never going to convince any government agency, that it's in their best interest to eliminate fraud, and eliminate people gaming the system, so that the agency doesn't need as much money, and can do with fewer employees.
Thanks for the heads up. I am very well aware of what I am getting into with d23 and his tactics.
And the point I was trying get across was that the left can't even admit that there should be a streamlining of govt, that it's only problem is that it needs more money. And any time streamlining is tried, say in education, instead of getting rid of the a portion 100s of the highly paid administration positions in a school district, they get rid of teaches and say hey, look at your kids now, in classes of 30 students per teacher. Told you we needed that money, now your kids are getting a bad education, so give us even more money , and it will all be okay. I am aware of how the beast works, it fails in areas and then claims the problem lies with the lack of funds, not funds mis-spent
D23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicine
Yes so let's shrink government spending in essentially useless areas...there are many that we can find, and let's find ways govt can do it's job more efficiently and with less cost.YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!
You ignore the GOP RAMMED DOWN OUR THROAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT MEDICARE EXPANSION WITHOUT A PENNY IN FUNDING, But whine about what the Dems MIGHT have done on Medicare expansion? lol
So the bonds that go to the trust funds don't really exist? The money isn't actual;y owed? But yes that was Ronnie's idea, increase tax burden on the working guy via his "saving" SS and use the revenues to hide the real costs of tax cuts for the rich, THEN when the debt you crated is due, claim your broke. GOP's plan all along!
Proven ACA unfunded? lol
SCHIP is located at Title IV, subtitle J of H.R. 2015 [105th] Balanced Budget Act of 1997. H.R. 2015 was introduced and sponsored by Rep John Kasich [R-OH] with no cosponsors. On 25 June 1997, H.R. 2015 passed House Vote Roll #241 mainly among partisan lines, 270 ayes and 162 nays, with most Democrats in the House of Representatives in opposition. On the same day, the bill passed in the Senate, with a substitute amendment, by unanimous consent. After a conference between the House and Senate, passage in both House (Roll #345: 346-85) and Senate (Roll #209: 85-15) on the conference substitute became more bipartisan.
State Children's Health Insurance Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The recent expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) was funded by an increase in federal excise taxes on tobacco ...
Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids
ACA HELPS FUND S-CHIP, BUT MAJOR FUNDING TODAY IS TOBACCO TAX BY THE DEMS (THAT OF COURSE DUBYA VETOED!)
Children’s Health Coverage: Medicaid, CHIP and the ACA
S. 275, the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009
Before I respond, I noticed you are talking to Dad2Three. This guy is a well known forum wide, as a mindless troll. That's not an insult or exaggeration. It's simply what he is. If you ever pin him down on anything, he will simply resort to insults, and spamming links, and often the same links that have been responded to 50 posts earlier in the same thread. When you counter the claims on those links, he'll spam them again, as if he lives in a bubble where information contrary to his beliefs doesn't exist.
I'm just warning you for your own benefit. You'll find very few people respond to Dad2Three because the majority of us, already have him on ignore. I forgot he still existed on this forum, until I replied to your post.
That said.....
The problem is, there is a justification for nearly every single government function. You claim it's useless, but in reality, every action government takes has a purpose.
And while it seems obvious and clear that we should cut out wasteful spending, and bad programs, and destructive laws....
That's not how government sees it. Politicians, especially non-business career politicians, are not interested, or give a crap about the country in the long term. They want their cushy government jobs.
Thomas Sowell had this great story about how he was working at the Department of Labor.
Now if you fast forward to 6 Minutes in, Sowell is talking about how he was a Marxist. But working for the Department of Labor cured him. He realized that the Department of Labor had no interest in whether or not the laws passed were economically beneficial, but rather that they towed the correct policy that continued to pay for their cushy jobs.
And see, that's how all government works. Back in the late 90s, happened to see a news broadcast from the local TV station. This was after the welfare reform bill had passed, and people were kicked off welfare and food stamps throughout the country.
The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, (which runs welfare and food stamps), started running TV commercials advertising food stamps and welfare benefits. The New Broadcast highlighted the ads, and boldly proclaimed "Ohio is losing millions of dollars every year".
Now how would we be losing millions of dollars? We were not. In fact Ohio was saving millions of dollars. If you look up the Ohio budget during the 90s, we saved money. But they were adding in Federal welfare and food stamp dollars, that were not given to the State because we didn't have as many recipients.
But.... the people at The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services didn't want to lose their cushy jobs. No recipients, no cushy government jobs. So they spent tens of thousands of dollars advertising welfare and food stamps on the TV.
I think it's admirable that you want government to be more efficient and less wasteful.... and if we were talking about a private business, then that would work.
But the reality is, the people who work in these government agencies have zero reason to not waste money, and every single reason possible to waste and be as inefficient as they can.
You are never going to convince government employees that it's in there best interest to be more effective so that fewer government employees is needed, and they can eliminate their own jobs.
You are never going to convince any government agency, that it's in their best interest to eliminate fraud, and eliminate people gaming the system, so that the agency doesn't need as much money, and can do with fewer employees.
Thanks for the heads up. I am very well aware of what I am getting into with d23 and his tactics.
And the point I was trying get across was that the left can't even admit that there should be a streamlining of govt, that it's only problem is that it needs more money. And any time streamlining is tried, say in education, instead of getting rid of the a portion 100s of the highly paid administration positions in a school district, they get rid of teaches and say hey, look at your kids now, in classes of 30 students per teacher. Told you we needed that money, now your kids are getting a bad education, so give us even more money , and it will all be okay. I am aware of how the beast works, it fails in areas and then claims the problem lies with the lack of funds, not funds mis-spent
D23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicine
Yes so let's shrink government spending in essentially useless areas...there are many that we can find, and let's find ways govt can do it's job more efficiently and with less cost.YET UNLESS YOU CUT SPENDING, WHEN YOU GUT REVENUES VIA GOP TAX CUTS, ALL YOU DO IS CREATE DEBT. GO figure!
You ignore the GOP RAMMED DOWN OUR THROAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT MEDICARE EXPANSION WITHOUT A PENNY IN FUNDING, But whine about what the Dems MIGHT have done on Medicare expansion? lol
So the bonds that go to the trust funds don't really exist? The money isn't actual;y owed? But yes that was Ronnie's idea, increase tax burden on the working guy via his "saving" SS and use the revenues to hide the real costs of tax cuts for the rich, THEN when the debt you crated is due, claim your broke. GOP's plan all along!
Proven ACA unfunded? lol
SCHIP is located at Title IV, subtitle J of H.R. 2015 [105th] Balanced Budget Act of 1997. H.R. 2015 was introduced and sponsored by Rep John Kasich [R-OH] with no cosponsors. On 25 June 1997, H.R. 2015 passed House Vote Roll #241 mainly among partisan lines, 270 ayes and 162 nays, with most Democrats in the House of Representatives in opposition. On the same day, the bill passed in the Senate, with a substitute amendment, by unanimous consent. After a conference between the House and Senate, passage in both House (Roll #345: 346-85) and Senate (Roll #209: 85-15) on the conference substitute became more bipartisan.
State Children's Health Insurance Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The recent expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) was funded by an increase in federal excise taxes on tobacco ...
Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids
ACA HELPS FUND S-CHIP, BUT MAJOR FUNDING TODAY IS TOBACCO TAX BY THE DEMS (THAT OF COURSE DUBYA VETOED!)
Children’s Health Coverage: Medicaid, CHIP and the ACA
S. 275, the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009
Before I respond, I noticed you are talking to Dad2Three. This guy is a well known forum wide, as a mindless troll. That's not an insult or exaggeration. It's simply what he is. If you ever pin him down on anything, he will simply resort to insults, and spamming links, and often the same links that have been responded to 50 posts earlier in the same thread. When you counter the claims on those links, he'll spam them again, as if he lives in a bubble where information contrary to his beliefs doesn't exist.
I'm just warning you for your own benefit. You'll find very few people respond to Dad2Three because the majority of us, already have him on ignore. I forgot he still existed on this forum, until I replied to your post.
That said.....
The problem is, there is a justification for nearly every single government function. You claim it's useless, but in reality, every action government takes has a purpose.
And while it seems obvious and clear that we should cut out wasteful spending, and bad programs, and destructive laws....
That's not how government sees it. Politicians, especially non-business career politicians, are not interested, or give a crap about the country in the long term. They want their cushy government jobs.
Thomas Sowell had this great story about how he was working at the Department of Labor.
Now if you fast forward to 6 Minutes in, Sowell is talking about how he was a Marxist. But working for the Department of Labor cured him. He realized that the Department of Labor had no interest in whether or not the laws passed were economically beneficial, but rather that they towed the correct policy that continued to pay for their cushy jobs.
And see, that's how all government works. Back in the late 90s, happened to see a news broadcast from the local TV station. This was after the welfare reform bill had passed, and people were kicked off welfare and food stamps throughout the country.
The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, (which runs welfare and food stamps), started running TV commercials advertising food stamps and welfare benefits. The New Broadcast highlighted the ads, and boldly proclaimed "Ohio is losing millions of dollars every year".
Now how would we be losing millions of dollars? We were not. In fact Ohio was saving millions of dollars. If you look up the Ohio budget during the 90s, we saved money. But they were adding in Federal welfare and food stamp dollars, that were not given to the State because we didn't have as many recipients.
But.... the people at The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services didn't want to lose their cushy jobs. No recipients, no cushy government jobs. So they spent tens of thousands of dollars advertising welfare and food stamps on the TV.
I think it's admirable that you want government to be more efficient and less wasteful.... and if we were talking about a private business, then that would work.
But the reality is, the people who work in these government agencies have zero reason to not waste money, and every single reason possible to waste and be as inefficient as they can.
You are never going to convince government employees that it's in there best interest to be more effective so that fewer government employees is needed, and they can eliminate their own jobs.
You are never going to convince any government agency, that it's in their best interest to eliminate fraud, and eliminate people gaming the system, so that the agency doesn't need as much money, and can do with fewer employees.
Thanks for the heads up. I am very well aware of what I am getting into with d23 and his tactics.
And the point I was trying get across was that the left can't even admit that there should be a streamlining of govt, that it's only problem is that it needs more money. And any time streamlining is tried, say in education, instead of getting rid of the a portion 100s of the highly paid administration positions in a school district, they get rid of teaches and say hey, look at your kids now, in classes of 30 students per teacher. Told you we needed that money, now your kids are getting a bad education, so give us even more money , and it will all be okay. I am aware of how the beast works, it fails in areas and then claims the problem lies with the lack of funds, not funds mis-spent
D23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicine
Yes so let's shrink government spending in essentially useless areas...there are many that we can find, and let's find ways govt can do it's job more efficiently and with less cost.
Before I respond, I noticed you are talking to Dad2Three. This guy is a well known forum wide, as a mindless troll. That's not an insult or exaggeration. It's simply what he is. If you ever pin him down on anything, he will simply resort to insults, and spamming links, and often the same links that have been responded to 50 posts earlier in the same thread. When you counter the claims on those links, he'll spam them again, as if he lives in a bubble where information contrary to his beliefs doesn't exist.
I'm just warning you for your own benefit. You'll find very few people respond to Dad2Three because the majority of us, already have him on ignore. I forgot he still existed on this forum, until I replied to your post.
That said.....
The problem is, there is a justification for nearly every single government function. You claim it's useless, but in reality, every action government takes has a purpose.
And while it seems obvious and clear that we should cut out wasteful spending, and bad programs, and destructive laws....
That's not how government sees it. Politicians, especially non-business career politicians, are not interested, or give a crap about the country in the long term. They want their cushy government jobs.
Thomas Sowell had this great story about how he was working at the Department of Labor.
Now if you fast forward to 6 Minutes in, Sowell is talking about how he was a Marxist. But working for the Department of Labor cured him. He realized that the Department of Labor had no interest in whether or not the laws passed were economically beneficial, but rather that they towed the correct policy that continued to pay for their cushy jobs.
And see, that's how all government works. Back in the late 90s, happened to see a news broadcast from the local TV station. This was after the welfare reform bill had passed, and people were kicked off welfare and food stamps throughout the country.
The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, (which runs welfare and food stamps), started running TV commercials advertising food stamps and welfare benefits. The New Broadcast highlighted the ads, and boldly proclaimed "Ohio is losing millions of dollars every year".
Now how would we be losing millions of dollars? We were not. In fact Ohio was saving millions of dollars. If you look up the Ohio budget during the 90s, we saved money. But they were adding in Federal welfare and food stamp dollars, that were not given to the State because we didn't have as many recipients.
But.... the people at The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services didn't want to lose their cushy jobs. No recipients, no cushy government jobs. So they spent tens of thousands of dollars advertising welfare and food stamps on the TV.
I think it's admirable that you want government to be more efficient and less wasteful.... and if we were talking about a private business, then that would work.
But the reality is, the people who work in these government agencies have zero reason to not waste money, and every single reason possible to waste and be as inefficient as they can.
You are never going to convince government employees that it's in there best interest to be more effective so that fewer government employees is needed, and they can eliminate their own jobs.
You are never going to convince any government agency, that it's in their best interest to eliminate fraud, and eliminate people gaming the system, so that the agency doesn't need as much money, and can do with fewer employees.
Thanks for the heads up. I am very well aware of what I am getting into with d23 and his tactics.
And the point I was trying get across was that the left can't even admit that there should be a streamlining of govt, that it's only problem is that it needs more money. And any time streamlining is tried, say in education, instead of getting rid of the a portion 100s of the highly paid administration positions in a school district, they get rid of teaches and say hey, look at your kids now, in classes of 30 students per teacher. Told you we needed that money, now your kids are getting a bad education, so give us even more money , and it will all be okay. I am aware of how the beast works, it fails in areas and then claims the problem lies with the lack of funds, not funds mis-spent
D23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicine
Are you sure that's not a function of cost? I wager the cost to treating flu, cold, broken arm, is a tiny fraction of the cost of chemo.
The other motivation, is which policy ticks off the least number of people. Health care that ticks off extremely vocal minorities, tends to have a higher priority, because that benefits the politicians.
That's why women in the UK military wait less time for a breast implant (a benefit the UK government gives women in the military), over breast cancer treatment. Which one has more political clout? Women in the military tend to yell and scream more.
Yes so let's shrink government spending in essentially useless areas...there are many that we can find, and let's find ways govt can do it's job more efficiently and with less cost.
Before I respond, I noticed you are talking to Dad2Three. This guy is a well known forum wide, as a mindless troll. That's not an insult or exaggeration. It's simply what he is. If you ever pin him down on anything, he will simply resort to insults, and spamming links, and often the same links that have been responded to 50 posts earlier in the same thread. When you counter the claims on those links, he'll spam them again, as if he lives in a bubble where information contrary to his beliefs doesn't exist.
I'm just warning you for your own benefit. You'll find very few people respond to Dad2Three because the majority of us, already have him on ignore. I forgot he still existed on this forum, until I replied to your post.
That said.....
The problem is, there is a justification for nearly every single government function. You claim it's useless, but in reality, every action government takes has a purpose.
And while it seems obvious and clear that we should cut out wasteful spending, and bad programs, and destructive laws....
That's not how government sees it. Politicians, especially non-business career politicians, are not interested, or give a crap about the country in the long term. They want their cushy government jobs.
Thomas Sowell had this great story about how he was working at the Department of Labor.
Now if you fast forward to 6 Minutes in, Sowell is talking about how he was a Marxist. But working for the Department of Labor cured him. He realized that the Department of Labor had no interest in whether or not the laws passed were economically beneficial, but rather that they towed the correct policy that continued to pay for their cushy jobs.
And see, that's how all government works. Back in the late 90s, happened to see a news broadcast from the local TV station. This was after the welfare reform bill had passed, and people were kicked off welfare and food stamps throughout the country.
The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, (which runs welfare and food stamps), started running TV commercials advertising food stamps and welfare benefits. The New Broadcast highlighted the ads, and boldly proclaimed "Ohio is losing millions of dollars every year".
Now how would we be losing millions of dollars? We were not. In fact Ohio was saving millions of dollars. If you look up the Ohio budget during the 90s, we saved money. But they were adding in Federal welfare and food stamp dollars, that were not given to the State because we didn't have as many recipients.
But.... the people at The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services didn't want to lose their cushy jobs. No recipients, no cushy government jobs. So they spent tens of thousands of dollars advertising welfare and food stamps on the TV.
I think it's admirable that you want government to be more efficient and less wasteful.... and if we were talking about a private business, then that would work.
But the reality is, the people who work in these government agencies have zero reason to not waste money, and every single reason possible to waste and be as inefficient as they can.
You are never going to convince government employees that it's in there best interest to be more effective so that fewer government employees is needed, and they can eliminate their own jobs.
You are never going to convince any government agency, that it's in their best interest to eliminate fraud, and eliminate people gaming the system, so that the agency doesn't need as much money, and can do with fewer employees.
Thanks for the heads up. I am very well aware of what I am getting into with d23 and his tactics.
And the point I was trying get across was that the left can't even admit that there should be a streamlining of govt, that it's only problem is that it needs more money. And any time streamlining is tried, say in education, instead of getting rid of the a portion 100s of the highly paid administration positions in a school district, they get rid of teaches and say hey, look at your kids now, in classes of 30 students per teacher. Told you we needed that money, now your kids are getting a bad education, so give us even more money , and it will all be okay. I am aware of how the beast works, it fails in areas and then claims the problem lies with the lack of funds, not funds mis-spent
D23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicine
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
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Before I respond, I noticed you are talking to Dad2Three. This guy is a well known forum wide, as a mindless troll. That's not an insult or exaggeration. It's simply what he is. If you ever pin him down on anything, he will simply resort to insults, and spamming links, and often the same links that have been responded to 50 posts earlier in the same thread. When you counter the claims on those links, he'll spam them again, as if he lives in a bubble where information contrary to his beliefs doesn't exist.
I'm just warning you for your own benefit. You'll find very few people respond to Dad2Three because the majority of us, already have him on ignore. I forgot he still existed on this forum, until I replied to your post.
That said.....
The problem is, there is a justification for nearly every single government function. You claim it's useless, but in reality, every action government takes has a purpose.
And while it seems obvious and clear that we should cut out wasteful spending, and bad programs, and destructive laws....
That's not how government sees it. Politicians, especially non-business career politicians, are not interested, or give a crap about the country in the long term. They want their cushy government jobs.
Thomas Sowell had this great story about how he was working at the Department of Labor.
Now if you fast forward to 6 Minutes in, Sowell is talking about how he was a Marxist. But working for the Department of Labor cured him. He realized that the Department of Labor had no interest in whether or not the laws passed were economically beneficial, but rather that they towed the correct policy that continued to pay for their cushy jobs.
And see, that's how all government works. Back in the late 90s, happened to see a news broadcast from the local TV station. This was after the welfare reform bill had passed, and people were kicked off welfare and food stamps throughout the country.
The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, (which runs welfare and food stamps), started running TV commercials advertising food stamps and welfare benefits. The New Broadcast highlighted the ads, and boldly proclaimed "Ohio is losing millions of dollars every year".
Now how would we be losing millions of dollars? We were not. In fact Ohio was saving millions of dollars. If you look up the Ohio budget during the 90s, we saved money. But they were adding in Federal welfare and food stamp dollars, that were not given to the State because we didn't have as many recipients.
But.... the people at The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services didn't want to lose their cushy jobs. No recipients, no cushy government jobs. So they spent tens of thousands of dollars advertising welfare and food stamps on the TV.
I think it's admirable that you want government to be more efficient and less wasteful.... and if we were talking about a private business, then that would work.
But the reality is, the people who work in these government agencies have zero reason to not waste money, and every single reason possible to waste and be as inefficient as they can.
You are never going to convince government employees that it's in there best interest to be more effective so that fewer government employees is needed, and they can eliminate their own jobs.
You are never going to convince any government agency, that it's in their best interest to eliminate fraud, and eliminate people gaming the system, so that the agency doesn't need as much money, and can do with fewer employees.
Thanks for the heads up. I am very well aware of what I am getting into with d23 and his tactics.
And the point I was trying get across was that the left can't even admit that there should be a streamlining of govt, that it's only problem is that it needs more money. And any time streamlining is tried, say in education, instead of getting rid of the a portion 100s of the highly paid administration positions in a school district, they get rid of teaches and say hey, look at your kids now, in classes of 30 students per teacher. Told you we needed that money, now your kids are getting a bad education, so give us even more money , and it will all be okay. I am aware of how the beast works, it fails in areas and then claims the problem lies with the lack of funds, not funds mis-spent
D23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicine
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
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Haha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands down
Just added to my last post, read please.Haha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands downSocialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicineThanks for the heads up. I am very well aware of what I am getting into with d23 and his tactics.
And the point I was trying get across was that the left can't even admit that there should be a streamlining of govt, that it's only problem is that it needs more money. And any time streamlining is tried, say in education, instead of getting rid of the a portion 100s of the highly paid administration positions in a school district, they get rid of teaches and say hey, look at your kids now, in classes of 30 students per teacher. Told you we needed that money, now your kids are getting a bad education, so give us even more money , and it will all be okay. I am aware of how the beast works, it fails in areas and then claims the problem lies with the lack of funds, not funds mis-spent
D23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
Thanks, I agree, the US style H/C system that sucks 20% off the top, is a dinosaur, and despite the right demonizing UHC system, they can't even rig a poll to get support against it! lol
There are things we can do to fix the system, you have to ask why parts of it don't work in the first placeHaha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands downSocialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicineThanks for the heads up. I am very well aware of what I am getting into with d23 and his tactics.
And the point I was trying get across was that the left can't even admit that there should be a streamlining of govt, that it's only problem is that it needs more money. And any time streamlining is tried, say in education, instead of getting rid of the a portion 100s of the highly paid administration positions in a school district, they get rid of teaches and say hey, look at your kids now, in classes of 30 students per teacher. Told you we needed that money, now your kids are getting a bad education, so give us even more money , and it will all be okay. I am aware of how the beast works, it fails in areas and then claims the problem lies with the lack of funds, not funds mis-spent
D23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
Thanks, I agree, the US style H/C system that sucks 20% off the top, is a dinosaur, and despite the right demonizing UHC system, they can't even rig a poll to get support against it! lol
Before I respond, I noticed you are talking to Dad2Three. This guy is a well known forum wide, as a mindless troll. That's not an insult or exaggeration. It's simply what he is. If you ever pin him down on anything, he will simply resort to insults, and spamming links, and often the same links that have been responded to 50 posts earlier in the same thread. When you counter the claims on those links, he'll spam them again, as if he lives in a bubble where information contrary to his beliefs doesn't exist.
I'm just warning you for your own benefit. You'll find very few people respond to Dad2Three because the majority of us, already have him on ignore. I forgot he still existed on this forum, until I replied to your post.
That said.....
The problem is, there is a justification for nearly every single government function. You claim it's useless, but in reality, every action government takes has a purpose.
And while it seems obvious and clear that we should cut out wasteful spending, and bad programs, and destructive laws....
That's not how government sees it. Politicians, especially non-business career politicians, are not interested, or give a crap about the country in the long term. They want their cushy government jobs.
Thomas Sowell had this great story about how he was working at the Department of Labor.
Now if you fast forward to 6 Minutes in, Sowell is talking about how he was a Marxist. But working for the Department of Labor cured him. He realized that the Department of Labor had no interest in whether or not the laws passed were economically beneficial, but rather that they towed the correct policy that continued to pay for their cushy jobs.
And see, that's how all government works. Back in the late 90s, happened to see a news broadcast from the local TV station. This was after the welfare reform bill had passed, and people were kicked off welfare and food stamps throughout the country.
The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, (which runs welfare and food stamps), started running TV commercials advertising food stamps and welfare benefits. The New Broadcast highlighted the ads, and boldly proclaimed "Ohio is losing millions of dollars every year".
Now how would we be losing millions of dollars? We were not. In fact Ohio was saving millions of dollars. If you look up the Ohio budget during the 90s, we saved money. But they were adding in Federal welfare and food stamp dollars, that were not given to the State because we didn't have as many recipients.
But.... the people at The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services didn't want to lose their cushy jobs. No recipients, no cushy government jobs. So they spent tens of thousands of dollars advertising welfare and food stamps on the TV.
I think it's admirable that you want government to be more efficient and less wasteful.... and if we were talking about a private business, then that would work.
But the reality is, the people who work in these government agencies have zero reason to not waste money, and every single reason possible to waste and be as inefficient as they can.
You are never going to convince government employees that it's in there best interest to be more effective so that fewer government employees is needed, and they can eliminate their own jobs.
You are never going to convince any government agency, that it's in their best interest to eliminate fraud, and eliminate people gaming the system, so that the agency doesn't need as much money, and can do with fewer employees.
Thanks for the heads up. I am very well aware of what I am getting into with d23 and his tactics.
And the point I was trying get across was that the left can't even admit that there should be a streamlining of govt, that it's only problem is that it needs more money. And any time streamlining is tried, say in education, instead of getting rid of the a portion 100s of the highly paid administration positions in a school district, they get rid of teaches and say hey, look at your kids now, in classes of 30 students per teacher. Told you we needed that money, now your kids are getting a bad education, so give us even more money , and it will all be okay. I am aware of how the beast works, it fails in areas and then claims the problem lies with the lack of funds, not funds mis-spent
D23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicine
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
Haha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. So that poll would win every time...it also displays mob rule at it's finest. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands down. And we do have socialized medicine in the US, so take a poll of the VA and see what system the veterans prefer...it's not going to be the VA. And what's the VA's excuse...we just need a few billion more dollars. So it literally pays in our system to be bad at your job.
That doesn't mean there are not any abuses in our system. Ask yourself why VRE is such a huge nosocomial infection in our hospitals, then look up PPI's and what they do, and why doctors prescribe them to essentially every patient who comes in the doors in an inpatient facility. Then look at how much PPI's cost per pill, and whose making the money off of that.
Just added to my last post, read please.Haha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands downSocialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicineD23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
Thanks, I agree, the US style H/C system that sucks 20% off the top, is a dinosaur, and despite the right demonizing UHC system, they can't even rig a poll to get support against it! lol
And yes it doesn't hold a pole...until you talk to patients who actually NEED specialized treatment. Many get specialized medicine that is unnecessary, but is that better than receiving a cane for your bad knee, or getting it replaced. Again not saying out system is perfect, but is socialized medicine any better when you reach the age of 78?
There are things we can do to fix the system, you have to ask why parts of it don't work in the first placeHaha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands downSocialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicineD23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
Thanks, I agree, the US style H/C system that sucks 20% off the top, is a dinosaur, and despite the right demonizing UHC system, they can't even rig a poll to get support against it! lol
Ah really, bc I work with a former VA nurse and have a family full of marines (all 4 uncles served, one died in nam, 3 of 6 of their sons currently serve) on my moms side, all that say a very different story other than satisfaction. And ASCI is like the restaurant polls that they give to their happy customers...and there is a big difference in satisfaction when your paying for it VS when it's free, but you don't hear that control being taken into consideration when they do these polls.Haha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. So that poll would win every time...it also displays mob rule at it's finest. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands down. And we do have socialized medicine in the US, so take a poll of the VA and see what system the veterans prefer...it's not going to be the VA. And what's the VA's excuse...we just need a few billion more dollars. So it literally pays in our system to be bad at your job.Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicineThanks for the heads up. I am very well aware of what I am getting into with d23 and his tactics.
And the point I was trying get across was that the left can't even admit that there should be a streamlining of govt, that it's only problem is that it needs more money. And any time streamlining is tried, say in education, instead of getting rid of the a portion 100s of the highly paid administration positions in a school district, they get rid of teaches and say hey, look at your kids now, in classes of 30 students per teacher. Told you we needed that money, now your kids are getting a bad education, so give us even more money , and it will all be okay. I am aware of how the beast works, it fails in areas and then claims the problem lies with the lack of funds, not funds mis-spent
D23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
That doesn't mean there are not any abuses in our system. Ask yourself why VRE is such a huge nosocomial infection in our hospitals, then look up PPI's and what they do, and why doctors prescribe them to essentially every patient who comes in the doors in an inpatient facility. Then look at how much PPI's cost per pill, and whose making the money off of that.
MOB RULE? From the guy positing Switzerland it's direct democracy as a libertarian wonderland? Buba, Bubba, Bubba
Vets don't like the VA? LOL
April 16, 2014 Independent 2013 Survey Shows Veterans Highly Satisfied with VA Care Higher rating than Private-Sector Hospitals on Average
WASHINGTON -- The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), an independent customer service survey, ranks the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) customer satisfaction among Veteran patients among the best in the nation and equal to or better than ratings for private sector hospitals. The 2013 ACSI report assessed satisfaction among Veterans who have recently been patients of VA’s Veterans Health Administration (VHA) inpatient and outpatient services. ACSI is the nation’s only cross-industry measure of customer satisfaction, providing benchmarking between the public and private sectors.
In 2013, the overall ACSI satisfaction index for VA was 84 for inpatient care and 82 for outpatient care, which compares favorably with the U.S. hospital industry (scores of 80 and 83, respectively). Since 2004, the ACSI survey has consistently shown that Veterans give VA hospitals and clinics a higher customer satisfaction score, on average, than patients give private sector hospitals.
News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs
Without the right wing memes, what do you have Bubs?
Ah really, bc I work with a former VA nurse and have a family full of marines (all 4 uncles served, one died in nam, 3 of 6 of their sons currently serve) on my moms side, all that say a very different story other than satisfaction. And ASCI is like the restaurant polls that they give to their happy customers...and there is a big difference in satisfaction when your paying for it VS when it's free, but you don't hear that control being taken into consideration when they do these polls.Haha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. So that poll would win every time...it also displays mob rule at it's finest. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands down. And we do have socialized medicine in the US, so take a poll of the VA and see what system the veterans prefer...it's not going to be the VA. And what's the VA's excuse...we just need a few billion more dollars. So it literally pays in our system to be bad at your job.Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicineD23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
That doesn't mean there are not any abuses in our system. Ask yourself why VRE is such a huge nosocomial infection in our hospitals, then look up PPI's and what they do, and why doctors prescribe them to essentially every patient who comes in the doors in an inpatient facility. Then look at how much PPI's cost per pill, and whose making the money off of that.
MOB RULE? From the guy positing Switzerland it's direct democracy as a libertarian wonderland? Buba, Bubba, Bubba
Vets don't like the VA? LOL
April 16, 2014 Independent 2013 Survey Shows Veterans Highly Satisfied with VA Care Higher rating than Private-Sector Hospitals on Average
WASHINGTON -- The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), an independent customer service survey, ranks the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) customer satisfaction among Veteran patients among the best in the nation and equal to or better than ratings for private sector hospitals. The 2013 ACSI report assessed satisfaction among Veterans who have recently been patients of VA’s Veterans Health Administration (VHA) inpatient and outpatient services. ACSI is the nation’s only cross-industry measure of customer satisfaction, providing benchmarking between the public and private sectors.
In 2013, the overall ACSI satisfaction index for VA was 84 for inpatient care and 82 for outpatient care, which compares favorably with the U.S. hospital industry (scores of 80 and 83, respectively). Since 2004, the ACSI survey has consistently shown that Veterans give VA hospitals and clinics a higher customer satisfaction score, on average, than patients give private sector hospitals.
News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs
Without the right wing memes, what do you have Bubs?
But when VA has a system set up where it pays to literally not serve people for months and fudge the paper work on when they request appointments so that they still meet their "timeline" requirements, that's ok??? You don't see that in the private network bc it doesn't pay to not serve people, it pays to serve them, and get as many as you can through. That's utilitarianism at it's finest, it doesn't benefit us to serve abnormal cases, so don't give them a high priorityAh really, bc I work with a former VA nurse and have a family full of marines (all 4 uncles served, one died in nam, 3 of 6 of their sons currently serve) on my moms side, all that say a very different story other than satisfaction. And ASCI is like the restaurant polls that they give to their happy customers...and there is a big difference in satisfaction when your paying for it VS when it's free, but you don't hear that control being taken into consideration when they do these polls.Haha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. So that poll would win every time...it also displays mob rule at it's finest. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands down. And we do have socialized medicine in the US, so take a poll of the VA and see what system the veterans prefer...it's not going to be the VA. And what's the VA's excuse...we just need a few billion more dollars. So it literally pays in our system to be bad at your job.Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicine
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
That doesn't mean there are not any abuses in our system. Ask yourself why VRE is such a huge nosocomial infection in our hospitals, then look up PPI's and what they do, and why doctors prescribe them to essentially every patient who comes in the doors in an inpatient facility. Then look at how much PPI's cost per pill, and whose making the money off of that.
MOB RULE? From the guy positing Switzerland it's direct democracy as a libertarian wonderland? Buba, Bubba, Bubba
Vets don't like the VA? LOL
April 16, 2014 Independent 2013 Survey Shows Veterans Highly Satisfied with VA Care Higher rating than Private-Sector Hospitals on Average
WASHINGTON -- The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), an independent customer service survey, ranks the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) customer satisfaction among Veteran patients among the best in the nation and equal to or better than ratings for private sector hospitals. The 2013 ACSI report assessed satisfaction among Veterans who have recently been patients of VA’s Veterans Health Administration (VHA) inpatient and outpatient services. ACSI is the nation’s only cross-industry measure of customer satisfaction, providing benchmarking between the public and private sectors.
In 2013, the overall ACSI satisfaction index for VA was 84 for inpatient care and 82 for outpatient care, which compares favorably with the U.S. hospital industry (scores of 80 and 83, respectively). Since 2004, the ACSI survey has consistently shown that Veterans give VA hospitals and clinics a higher customer satisfaction score, on average, than patients give private sector hospitals.
News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs
Without the right wing memes, what do you have Bubs?
Anecdotes AND Bullsh*t. Shocking
Yeah, my dad was 22 years Army, very involved in the Legion/VFW since I was about 10, been to the VA clinics in the Bay area, and KNOW from my experience of 40+ years, although not perfect, the Vets DO APPRECIATE AND SUPPORT THE VA SYSTEM!
This is from someone as a kid going to VA systems after the damage of Nam with paralyzed, legless, arm less, blind, etc Vets, yes, though not perfect, the Vets DO SUPPORT THE VA SYSTEM, AND YES THEY WANT IT IMPROVED. Weird the GOP will spend TRILLIONS on war, but run from taking care of our Vets!
But when VA has a system set up where it pays to literally not serve people for months and fudge the paper work on when they request appointments so that they still meet their "timeline" requirements, that's ok??? You don't see that in the private network bc it doesn't pay to not serve people, it pays to serve them, and get as many as you can through. That's utilitarianism at it's finest, it doesn't benefit us to serve abnormal cases, so don't give them a high priorityAh really, bc I work with a former VA nurse and have a family full of marines (all 4 uncles served, one died in nam, 3 of 6 of their sons currently serve) on my moms side, all that say a very different story other than satisfaction. And ASCI is like the restaurant polls that they give to their happy customers...and there is a big difference in satisfaction when your paying for it VS when it's free, but you don't hear that control being taken into consideration when they do these polls.Haha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. So that poll would win every time...it also displays mob rule at it's finest. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands down. And we do have socialized medicine in the US, so take a poll of the VA and see what system the veterans prefer...it's not going to be the VA. And what's the VA's excuse...we just need a few billion more dollars. So it literally pays in our system to be bad at your job.Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
That doesn't mean there are not any abuses in our system. Ask yourself why VRE is such a huge nosocomial infection in our hospitals, then look up PPI's and what they do, and why doctors prescribe them to essentially every patient who comes in the doors in an inpatient facility. Then look at how much PPI's cost per pill, and whose making the money off of that.
MOB RULE? From the guy positing Switzerland it's direct democracy as a libertarian wonderland? Buba, Bubba, Bubba
Vets don't like the VA? LOL
April 16, 2014 Independent 2013 Survey Shows Veterans Highly Satisfied with VA Care Higher rating than Private-Sector Hospitals on Average
WASHINGTON -- The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), an independent customer service survey, ranks the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) customer satisfaction among Veteran patients among the best in the nation and equal to or better than ratings for private sector hospitals. The 2013 ACSI report assessed satisfaction among Veterans who have recently been patients of VA’s Veterans Health Administration (VHA) inpatient and outpatient services. ACSI is the nation’s only cross-industry measure of customer satisfaction, providing benchmarking between the public and private sectors.
In 2013, the overall ACSI satisfaction index for VA was 84 for inpatient care and 82 for outpatient care, which compares favorably with the U.S. hospital industry (scores of 80 and 83, respectively). Since 2004, the ACSI survey has consistently shown that Veterans give VA hospitals and clinics a higher customer satisfaction score, on average, than patients give private sector hospitals.
News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs
Without the right wing memes, what do you have Bubs?
Anecdotes AND Bullsh*t. Shocking
Yeah, my dad was 22 years Army, very involved in the Legion/VFW since I was about 10, been to the VA clinics in the Bay area, and KNOW from my experience of 40+ years, although not perfect, the Vets DO APPRECIATE AND SUPPORT THE VA SYSTEM!
This is from someone as a kid going to VA systems after the damage of Nam with paralyzed, legless, arm less, blind, etc Vets, yes, though not perfect, the Vets DO SUPPORT THE VA SYSTEM, AND YES THEY WANT IT IMPROVED. Weird the GOP will spend TRILLIONS on war, but run from taking care of our Vets!
Ah really, bc I work with a former VA nurse and have a family full of marines (all 4 uncles served, one died in nam, 3 of 6 of their sons currently serve) on my moms side, all that say a very different story other than satisfaction. And ASCI is like the restaurant polls that they give to their happy customers...and there is a big difference in satisfaction when your paying for it VS when it's free, but you don't hear that control being taken into consideration when they do these polls.Haha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. So that poll would win every time...it also displays mob rule at it's finest. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands down. And we do have socialized medicine in the US, so take a poll of the VA and see what system the veterans prefer...it's not going to be the VA. And what's the VA's excuse...we just need a few billion more dollars. So it literally pays in our system to be bad at your job.Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicineD23 won't even admit his own position, not even if you printed out his own posts, and stapled them to his forehead. Total troll.
Well yes, education is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The deal in New Jersey where schools were intentionally holding grades down, because if grade came up, they wouldn't qualify for supplemental education spending by the state.
Only in a government run system, are schools rewarded with extra money for having bad education outcomes, and punished with less money for having better education outcomes.
Socialism reverses the universal economic incentives. The only way you get more funding for any agency... any agency anywhere, is by having major problems you need more money to combat.
So inherently to government, agencies have an automatic incentive to NOT fix any problems.
This is one of the reasons why we don't want government involved period.
Take healthcare. You have two hospitals, one with dozens of people waiting 4 hours in the ER without being seen, the place is packed, people laying on the floor. The other, place is relatively empty with few people, all of whom are seen within 20 minutes.
Which hospital get's additional funds? The one providing 4 hour waits in the ER. The one doing a good job, get's nothing. And worse, if the one with 4 hour waits improves things, they lose the money.
Then everyone wonders why socialized care around the world is terrible.... not a shock to us.
So as I said before, it's a nice thought to get government agencies to be more efficient and higher quality, that's just not possible. You can't get a socialized system to operate like a private system, when they are all governed by socialized incentives.
If you have a solution to that, I'd love to hear it.
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
That doesn't mean there are not any abuses in our system. Ask yourself why VRE is such a huge nosocomial infection in our hospitals, then look up PPI's and what they do, and why doctors prescribe them to essentially every patient who comes in the doors in an inpatient facility. Then look at how much PPI's cost per pill, and whose making the money off of that.
MOB RULE? From the guy positing Switzerland it's direct democracy as a libertarian wonderland? Buba, Bubba, Bubba
Vets don't like the VA? LOL
April 16, 2014 Independent 2013 Survey Shows Veterans Highly Satisfied with VA Care Higher rating than Private-Sector Hospitals on Average
WASHINGTON -- The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), an independent customer service survey, ranks the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) customer satisfaction among Veteran patients among the best in the nation and equal to or better than ratings for private sector hospitals. The 2013 ACSI report assessed satisfaction among Veterans who have recently been patients of VA’s Veterans Health Administration (VHA) inpatient and outpatient services. ACSI is the nation’s only cross-industry measure of customer satisfaction, providing benchmarking between the public and private sectors.
In 2013, the overall ACSI satisfaction index for VA was 84 for inpatient care and 82 for outpatient care, which compares favorably with the U.S. hospital industry (scores of 80 and 83, respectively). Since 2004, the ACSI survey has consistently shown that Veterans give VA hospitals and clinics a higher customer satisfaction score, on average, than patients give private sector hospitals.
News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs
Without the right wing memes, what do you have Bubs?
I'm not against demand side tax cuts!!! That's what I've been saying all along. Supply tax cuts also help...however I believe that they should be equal, not negligible. You want to cry about companies moving overseas, but push policies that drive them overseas more. And with the help of LBJs great society, how many more blacks are now dependent on the government?Ah really, bc I work with a former VA nurse and have a family full of marines (all 4 uncles served, one died in nam, 3 of 6 of their sons currently serve) on my moms side, all that say a very different story other than satisfaction. And ASCI is like the restaurant polls that they give to their happy customers...and there is a big difference in satisfaction when your paying for it VS when it's free, but you don't hear that control being taken into consideration when they do these polls.Haha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. So that poll would win every time...it also displays mob rule at it's finest. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands down. And we do have socialized medicine in the US, so take a poll of the VA and see what system the veterans prefer...it's not going to be the VA. And what's the VA's excuse...we just need a few billion more dollars. So it literally pays in our system to be bad at your job.Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicine
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
That doesn't mean there are not any abuses in our system. Ask yourself why VRE is such a huge nosocomial infection in our hospitals, then look up PPI's and what they do, and why doctors prescribe them to essentially every patient who comes in the doors in an inpatient facility. Then look at how much PPI's cost per pill, and whose making the money off of that.
MOB RULE? From the guy positing Switzerland it's direct democracy as a libertarian wonderland? Buba, Bubba, Bubba
Vets don't like the VA? LOL
April 16, 2014 Independent 2013 Survey Shows Veterans Highly Satisfied with VA Care Higher rating than Private-Sector Hospitals on Average
WASHINGTON -- The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), an independent customer service survey, ranks the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) customer satisfaction among Veteran patients among the best in the nation and equal to or better than ratings for private sector hospitals. The 2013 ACSI report assessed satisfaction among Veterans who have recently been patients of VA’s Veterans Health Administration (VHA) inpatient and outpatient services. ACSI is the nation’s only cross-industry measure of customer satisfaction, providing benchmarking between the public and private sectors.
In 2013, the overall ACSI satisfaction index for VA was 84 for inpatient care and 82 for outpatient care, which compares favorably with the U.S. hospital industry (scores of 80 and 83, respectively). Since 2004, the ACSI survey has consistently shown that Veterans give VA hospitals and clinics a higher customer satisfaction score, on average, than patients give private sector hospitals.
News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs
Without the right wing memes, what do you have Bubs?
ANYTHING on your MYTH of Switzerland being a libertarian paradise? How about on LBJ demand side tax cuts????
NOTHING HUH? lol
Oh and there is no such thing as a paradise, wether it's by socialism or libertarianism...but the Swiss are doing undeniable better than their neighbors. And that's equality by opportunity, not equality by control.Ah really, bc I work with a former VA nurse and have a family full of marines (all 4 uncles served, one died in nam, 3 of 6 of their sons currently serve) on my moms side, all that say a very different story other than satisfaction. And ASCI is like the restaurant polls that they give to their happy customers...and there is a big difference in satisfaction when your paying for it VS when it's free, but you don't hear that control being taken into consideration when they do these polls.Haha yes they would be in favor bc it's a utilitarian system, good of many outweighs the good of the few. So that poll would win every time...it also displays mob rule at it's finest. But those who need specialized treatment would vote for the us system hands down. And we do have socialized medicine in the US, so take a poll of the VA and see what system the veterans prefer...it's not going to be the VA. And what's the VA's excuse...we just need a few billion more dollars. So it literally pays in our system to be bad at your job.Socialized medicine works fine if you have a cold, but breaks down when you need something specialized. I work as an RN at a chemo infusion center about four hours from Canadian boarder and we have 3 patients who make that 4 hour drive from Canada at my center alone. Why is that? Because the socialized system creates a fake utilitarian system, where many need their colds, flus, and broken arms treated but the few who need chemo, lung transplant, etc wait very long to get treated bc they are not a high demand in medicine
Weird, ONE POLL EVER from ANY UHC nation that wants US style H/C?
Must be because of the "failure" of the socialized systems right Bubs?
Yep, the US system is the best for those WITH money!
Feb 23, 2015 - "Medical tourism" refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care ...
CDC Features - Medical Tourism
That doesn't mean there are not any abuses in our system. Ask yourself why VRE is such a huge nosocomial infection in our hospitals, then look up PPI's and what they do, and why doctors prescribe them to essentially every patient who comes in the doors in an inpatient facility. Then look at how much PPI's cost per pill, and whose making the money off of that.
MOB RULE? From the guy positing Switzerland it's direct democracy as a libertarian wonderland? Buba, Bubba, Bubba
Vets don't like the VA? LOL
April 16, 2014 Independent 2013 Survey Shows Veterans Highly Satisfied with VA Care Higher rating than Private-Sector Hospitals on Average
WASHINGTON -- The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), an independent customer service survey, ranks the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) customer satisfaction among Veteran patients among the best in the nation and equal to or better than ratings for private sector hospitals. The 2013 ACSI report assessed satisfaction among Veterans who have recently been patients of VA’s Veterans Health Administration (VHA) inpatient and outpatient services. ACSI is the nation’s only cross-industry measure of customer satisfaction, providing benchmarking between the public and private sectors.
In 2013, the overall ACSI satisfaction index for VA was 84 for inpatient care and 82 for outpatient care, which compares favorably with the U.S. hospital industry (scores of 80 and 83, respectively). Since 2004, the ACSI survey has consistently shown that Veterans give VA hospitals and clinics a higher customer satisfaction score, on average, than patients give private sector hospitals.
News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs
Without the right wing memes, what do you have Bubs?
ANYTHING on your MYTH of Switzerland being a libertarian paradise? How about on LBJ demand side tax cuts????
NOTHING HUH? lol
