Should Trump build the border wall if he cant get Mexico to?

[ThatDude30]

Mexico, however, should pay for the tunnels under the wall. Those tunnels should not be paid for by the USA.

Shit there going to have to make more tunnels now. Eventually there is just going to be a giant hole separating America from Mexico.

 

[ThatDude30]

It cost more to pay for their welfare, free housing, free food, food stamps, student loans ( that your american kids can't get), medical cost yeah ok the wall cost nothing compared to the mentioned.
gawd ppl are dumbasses.

Are you saying it would be cheaper to build then the amount of money illegal immigrants cost taxpayers every year? or are you being sarcastic?

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Cost of wall is less than cost of services for illegals: Report

No I wasn't being sarcastic.

And this is just NY

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Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY

Both Bush and Kasich defended illegals and want to be their pals.

Good thing they have no kind of say so in anything, anymore.

 

[Reasonable]

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If Trump can not get Mexico to pay for the border wall, should Trump and America build it anyways?

My opinion is, Yes, why not?
As of Sept. 27,2017 illegal immigrants and their kids are costing American taxpayers $135 billion a year, the highest ever, driven by free medical care, education and a huge law enforcement bill.

To build the border wall it could cost nearly $70 billion and $150 million a year to maintain.

So considering if its already costing American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars every year, building the wall would make the most logical sense.

It will keep illegal immigrants out. It will create jobs and America will save so much money in the long run.

Mexicans crossing the border has dwindled down more each year. Started under Obama and continues today.
Spending tens of billions on a wall is not only fiscally irresponsible its not who we are as a nation.
This stupid wall will never be built. Never.

"Dwindled down" isn't good enough...the good people, the people that matter here don't want one more wetback across that border...PERIOD!
One wetback turns to many real fast as they reproduce like cockroaches.
The math is a no-brainer for anyone not a Liberal fool with their head in their ass.
Haha...I love the ole "it's not who we are as a nation" bunch of bullshit...WTF does that even mean?
$20 trillion in debt, middle class can't get ahead, poverty at all time highs, homeless populations the size of small cities, homeless Veterans dying on our streets and the fucking wackos still want to feed the rest of the world and tell REAL Americans to go fuck themselves. UnBeFuckinLievable!

Real Americans?
Like the Native Americans?
Why don’t you take your fat ass and get the hell out of the country and leave it to its rightful owners.

How far back do you want to go...My ancestors were cavemen...they were here long before "Natives". What now dumbass?
My people, the British came here and conquered this land because that's what badass armies did back then...they took shit they wanted. Thank God they did huh? Have you been to a Reservation and seen how Natives live...Had they built this nation your sorry ass wouldn't be able to freeload here....right?
You have the British to thank for building this once great nation....sorry fool.

Another history revisionist. Yeah the British conquered the land that was already occupied. Get the fuck out of here.

 

[ThatDude30]

We could just plant land mines, no wall required.

That would be cheaper and fun.

 

[Reasonable]

It cost more to pay for their welfare, free housing, free food, food stamps, student loans ( that your american kids can't get), medical cost yeah ok the wall cost nothing compared to the mentioned.
gawd ppl are dumbasses.

Are you saying it would be cheaper to build then the amount of money illegal immigrants cost taxpayers every year? or are you being sarcastic?

View attachment 163096

Cost of wall is less than cost of services for illegals: Report

No I wasn't being sarcastic.

And this is just NY

View attachment 163099

Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY

Both Bush and Kasich defended illegals and want to be their pals.

Good thing they have no kind of say so in anything, anymore.

Can’t have two sane republicans getting in the way of this clusterfuck presidency.

 

[Reasonable]

Remember when Trump said he was going to bring down the costs of pharmaceuticals?
That was before he met in the Oval Office with the heads of Big Pharma.

After that..... nothing.

The swamp drowned the pussygrabber.

You suckers were so lied to. You were duped..

no one will ever be able to bring big Pharma companies down. If some one did try, Pharma probably would have them assassinated.

But but but Trump promised you he would.
He saw suckers like you coming from a mile away.

 

[WillowTree]

There is no such thing as an illegal human being. You just need to demonize them. It’s what you do.

They're trespassers.

No they are illegal from beginning to end, they break all the laws including forging, stealing and faking documents. Once deported they return again and again. Build that wall.

 

[BluesLegend]

We could just plant land mines, no wall required.

That would be cheaper and fun.

YouTube video gold!

 

[NYcarbineer]

If Trump can not get Mexico to pay for the border wall, should Trump and America build it anyways?

My opinion is, Yes, why not?
As of Sept. 27,2017 illegal immigrants and their kids are costing American taxpayers $135 billion a year, the highest ever, driven by free medical care, education and a huge law enforcement bill.

To build the border wall it could cost nearly $70 billion and $150 million a year to maintain.

So considering if its already costing American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars every year, building the wall would make the most logical sense.

It will keep illegal immigrants out. It will create jobs and America will save so much money in the long run.

Trump should apologize for promising that Mexico would pay for the wall,

and everyone who believed him should apologize for being that stupid.

 

[ThatDude30]

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Remember when Trump said he was going to bring down the costs of pharmaceuticals?
That was before he met in the Oval Office with the heads of Big Pharma.

After that..... nothing.

The swamp drowned the pussygrabber.

You suckers were so lied to. You were duped..

no one will ever be able to bring big Pharma companies down. If some one did try, Pharma probably would have them assassinated.

But but but Trump promised you he would.
He saw suckers like you coming from a mile away.

 

[TNHarley]

If Trump can not get Mexico to pay for the border wall, should Trump and America build it anyways?

My opinion is, Yes, why not?
As of Sept. 27,2017 illegal immigrants and their kids are costing American taxpayers $135 billion a year, the highest ever, driven by free medical care, education and a huge law enforcement bill.

To build the border wall it could cost nearly $70 billion and $150 million a year to maintain.

So considering if its already costing American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars every year, building the wall would make the most logical sense.

It will keep illegal immigrants out. It will create jobs and America will save so much money in the long run.

the wall is needless.
All we need to do is cut off incentive : healthcare, schooling, jobs shit like that.
they wont come here if they are hungry, hurt dumb and sleeping in the street

 

[ThatDude30]

If Trump can not get Mexico to pay for the border wall, should Trump and America build it anyways?

My opinion is, Yes, why not?
As of Sept. 27,2017 illegal immigrants and their kids are costing American taxpayers $135 billion a year, the highest ever, driven by free medical care, education and a huge law enforcement bill.

To build the border wall it could cost nearly $70 billion and $150 million a year to maintain.

So considering if its already costing American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars every year, building the wall would make the most logical sense.

It will keep illegal immigrants out. It will create jobs and America will save so much money in the long run.

Trump should apologize for promising that Mexico would pay for the wall,

and everyone who believed him should apologize for being that stupid.

Honestly I don't see how any one could really of believed that he was going to be able to make Mexico pay for a wall to be built that is going to cost $70 billion For an American issue? I doubt he even believed it himself.

 

[regent]

If Trump can not get Mexico to pay for the border wall, should Trump and America build it anyways?

My opinion is, Yes, why not?
As of Sept. 27,2017 illegal immigrants and their kids are costing American taxpayers $135 billion a year, the highest ever, driven by free medical care, education and a huge law enforcement bill.

To build the border wall it could cost nearly $70 billion and $150 million a year to maintain.

So considering if its already costing American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars every year, building the wall would make the most logical sense.

It will keep illegal immigrants out. It will create jobs and America will save so much money in the long run.

the wall is needless.
All we need to do is cut off incentive : healthcare, schooling, jobs shit like that.
they wont come here if they are hungry, hurt dumb and sleeping in the street

Sounds like perfect employees for some companies.

 

[JQPublic1]

Like most proud Americans i hated the idea of illegals coming here to "take our jobs." However, the more I looked at the work they do and the impact of mass deportation, I realized just how important most of them are to the health of our economy.



undocumented workers make up around 67% of farm laborers. Their low salaries keep prices of crops and vegetables down.



The National Milk Producer's Federation forecasted a 61% increase in the cost of milk if their low cost labor pool dried up. But milk production is but one dimension of the low paid labor world where undocumented workers fill in the gaps.



They contributed close to 300 billion in payroll tax to the Social Security trust Fund.



From the perspective of any notable economist, the undocumented worker is helping to maintain our way of life more than they are hindering it!


"The benefit multiplies over the long haul. As the baby boomers retire, the post-boom generation’s burden to finance their retirement is greatly alleviated by undocumented immigrants. Stephen Goss, chief actuary for the Social Security Administration, told me that undocumented workers contribute about $15 billion a year to Social Security through payroll taxes. They only take out $1 billion (very few undocumented workers are eligible to receive benefits). Over the years, undocumented workers have contributed up to $300 billion, or nearly 10 percent, of the $2.7 trillion Social Security Trust Fund."


"The problem, though, is that undocumented workers are not evenly distributed. In areas like southern Texas and Arizona and even parts of Brooklyn, undocumented immigrants impose a substantial net cost to local and state governments, Shierholz says. Immigrants use public assistance, medical care and schools. Some immigrant neighborhoods have particularly high crime rates. Jared Bernstein, a fellow at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, told me that these are also areas in which low-educated workers are most likely to face stiff competition from immigrants. It’s no wonder why so much political furor comes from these regions.

Undocumented workers represent a classic economic challenge with a fairly straightforward solution. Immigrants bring diffuse and hard-to-see benefits to average Americans while imposing more tangible costs on a few, Shierholz says. The dollar value of the benefits far outweigh the costs, so the government could just transfer extra funds to those local populations that need more help. One common proposal would grant amnesty to undocumented workers, which would create a sudden increase in tax payments. Simultaneously, the federal government could apply a percentage of those increased revenues to local governments.

But that, of course, seems politically improbable. Immigration is one of many problems — like another economic no-brainer: eliminating farm subsidies — in which broad economic benefits battle against a smaller, concentrated cost in one area. As immigration reform seems more likely than at any time in recent memory, it’s important to remember that it is not the economic realities that have changed. It’s the political ones."

Adam Davidson is co-founder of NPR’s “Planet Money,” a podcast and blog.

A version of this article appears in print on February 17, 2013, on Page MM17 of the Sunday Magazine with the headline: Coming to America. Today's Paper|Subscribe

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"From the perspective of any notable economist, the undocumented worker is helping to maintain our way of life more than they are hindering it!
The benefit multiplies over the long haul. As the baby boomers retire, the post-boom generation’s burden to finance their retirement is greatly alleviated by undocumented immigrants. Stephen Goss, chief actuary for the Social Security Administration, told me that undocumented workers contribute about $15 billion a year to Social Security through payroll taxes. They only take out $1 billion (very few undocumented workers are eligible to receive benefits). Over the years, undocumented workers have contributed up to $300 billion, or nearly 10 percent, of the $2.7 trillion Social Security Trust Fund."

NEGATIVE....That is completely fabricated bullshit originated by the Left.
The average Hispanic family here in Mexifornia looks like this:
Carlos and Guadalupe have 4-6 children born in the U.S. all attending public schools. Carlos works for $10 dollars an hour and averages 50 hours per week, Carlos grosses $500 per week in income. (usually paid in cash)
Guadalupe is a stay at home mother.
The cost to attend a public school in CA is $10,600 per year per child. The cost of child birth in CA is $10,000. Carlos and Guadalupe get housing assistance, EBT, welfare, health coverage...etc etc all compliments of hard working real American taxpayers. I won't list all the other direct and indirect expenses related to Carlos' family as it would be retarded and a waste of time.
Do the third grade mathematics and PLEASE explain to me how Carlos and Guadalupe are assets and not liabilities to this nation.

The rules say those 6 children were born American citizens and their undocumented parents are taking care of them. I didn't make the rules...he;;, I don't even like the rules. But that's the way it is.... Someday those 6 kids will be hard working American taxpayers just like you lurking around MSG boards complaining about illegals.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If Trump can not get Mexico to pay for the border wall, should Trump and America build it anyways?

My opinion is, Yes, why not?
As of Sept. 27,2017 illegal immigrants and their kids are costing American taxpayers $135 billion a year, the highest ever, driven by free medical care, education and a huge law enforcement bill.

To build the border wall it could cost nearly $70 billion and $150 million a year to maintain.

So considering if its already costing American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars every year, building the wall would make the most logical sense.

It will keep illegal immigrants out. It will create jobs and America will save so much money in the long run.

Mexico was never going to ‘build’ or ‘pay’ for a ‘wall.’

And only a ridiculous bigot would advocate building a ‘wall.’

 

[Natural Citizen]

That wall is gonna keep you in.

If you want to stop the immigration problem, end the incentives.

 

[ThatDude30]

If Trump can not get Mexico to pay for the border wall, should Trump and America build it anyways?

My opinion is, Yes, why not?
As of Sept. 27,2017 illegal immigrants and their kids are costing American taxpayers $135 billion a year, the highest ever, driven by free medical care, education and a huge law enforcement bill.

To build the border wall it could cost nearly $70 billion and $150 million a year to maintain.

So considering if its already costing American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars every year, building the wall would make the most logical sense.

It will keep illegal immigrants out. It will create jobs and America will save so much money in the long run.

Mexico was never going to ‘build’ or ‘pay’ for a ‘wall.’

And only a ridiculous bigot would advocate building a ‘wall.’

Honesty do you think he even believed himself? I know he would of never got Mexico to pay for it, that's why I asked this question. I think we should build it regardless.

 

[ThatDude30]

That wall is gonna keep you in.

If you want to stop the immigration problem, end the incentives.

Keep us in where? from being able to escape to Mexico? He isn't building a wall around the whole country.

 

[ThatDude30]

That wall is gonna keep you in.

If you want to stop the immigration problem, end the incentives.

There will still be the pacific and Atlantic coast line wide open and we don't have a problem with illegal Canadians that I know of? So I don't see why he would build a wall there? It would cost double maybe triple to build a wall separating the US from Canada.

 

[Natural Citizen]

That wall is gonna keep you in.

If you want to stop the immigration problem, end the incentives.

Keep us in where? from being able to escape to Mexico? He isn't building a wall around the whole country.

When countries destroy a currency, it does lead to capital controls and to people control. It's no wonder people are taking their money overseas. Have you listened to the drones on the left talking about sending them to prison? You don't think Mexicans are going to be the only ones in the database, do you?