Should We Teach Creation As Science In Public Schools?

[progressive hunter]

You should be able to teach whatever you want.

This is why government shouldn't be in charge of education.

Local and then state government has ALWAYS been in charge of what is taught. How the feds got involved was special ed requirements, which no school wanted to pay for. The federal government only contributes about 10% of a school's funding, but budgets are so tight that schools need every penny of it. If the feds aren't paying it, your taxes will go up to make up the difference, or your schools will close.

WHETHER its state taxs or fed they are still taxs


bottom line is the feds have no business in education

 

[22lcidw]

If you want your kid to 'get religion' take him/her to church....~S~

That’s not the point.

The point is conservatives want every child to be compelled to ‘get religion.’

We have to get to the point we have children first. You guys want millions of abortions a year and the unborn used for science experiments and the newly born used for sexual agendas and diseases and more. So leave some room to get some religion.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Creation science is backed by the scientific method, so it should be taught in schools.

I disagree.

Here's why. And just skip the first 3:50, if you don't wan't to get upset. At 3:50, the mop comes out and the floor gets cleaned. Very humbly and respectfully, I'd add.



Irrelevant of that, I think the state is the last entity I'd want teachng my kid faith. Ho lee sht. Are you kidding? Government is force anyway. Duh.

 

[progressive hunter]

Creation science is backed by the scientific method, so it should be taught in schools.

I disagree.

Here's why. And just skip the first 3:50, if you don't wan't to get upset. At 3:50, the mop comes out and the floor gets cleaned.



Irrelevant of that, I think the state is the last entity I'd want teachng my kid faith. Ho lee sht. Are you kidding? Government is force anyway. Duh.

that should include the faith/relligion of evolution

 

[progressive hunter]

Creation science is backed by the scientific method, so it should be taught in schools. Part of the problem is science today only accepts what is natural in the physical world. It is based on the philosophy of empiricism, but today's science does not follow it nor is it backed by the scientific method. What today's science of evolution is backed by is consensus and circumstantial forensic evidence. Why only evolution is taught in schools is because today's science does not allow for a supernatural creator to be involved in the "creation" of the universe, Earth, and everything in it. This is not science when evidence can be provided for the supernatural in creation through the Bible. It is part of Genesis and how God created the natural world. The assumption that there was no supernatural occurrence during the beginning is unscientific. One of the most basic arguments for a creator is the universe began to exist, not an eternal universe, and we have Kalam's Cosmological argument.

Furthermore, we are here -- the universe and everything in it exists! Now, if evolution and its big bang could explain in detail of how the electromagnetic spectrum, the Higgs field, the cosmic microwave background, and how amino acids formed into proteins in outer space from nothing or invisible quantum particles, then they would have a better explanation and argument with big bang. We need to have the theory fit the evidence instead of the evidence made to fit the theory. Science should not just be based on empiricism, but also on a priori reasoning in addition to the scientific a posteriori reasoning. This is all part of epistemology. We need to use facts, reasoning, and historical truths in science since not everything can be proven by scientific method.

I've read Dr. John Morris' explanation for a creator -- Should the Public Schools Teach Creation? -- and today we have a more updated version from Lee Strobel -- Strong case, but flawed by compromise (Review of Lee Strobel, Case for Creator) - creation.com. creation.com gives a brief overview without reading his book. Sorry, I haven't read his book, but have watched the video below.

No, it shouldn't, because to do so would violate the First Amendment (Edwards v. Aguillard).

Creationism is religion, devoid of fact and merit.

Not the first two books of Genesis. You didn't watch the vid either.

It is neither the truth nor is it supported by science.

That's just your assertion and nothing in science backs it. So far, your posts are meaningless.

That most conservatives have nothing but contempt for the Constitution, its case law, and the rule of law comes as no surprise, of course.

And that conservatives would continue to advocate for something already ruled to be un-Constitutional is further confirmation of that fact.

case law is a full contempt for the constitution, but you already knew that

 

[MisterBeale]

there is no proof lucy is anything other than dead bones found in the ground

Lucy was just a small ape.

She walked upright, which apes don't, and we found 40% of her bones, which is a whole lot. The bigger brain that gives us the double sapiens in our name didn't come until later. But she was on her hind legs. That's big.

dead bones dont walk,,,the rest is just opinion


and didnt you say earlier this was no longer the view we came from primates???

Humans are primates. They are now considered, taxonomically speaking, just another great ape, like a chimp or a gorilla.

Hominidae - Wikipedia

wiki is not a good source,,,

Do you know why? Wiki is an aggregator of sources. You have been told by your college and High school teachers it is "not a good source," for your research papers, because you cannot source a news or research aggregator.

If you know how to use it, for pedestrian purposes? It doesn't matter.

You have really done what they told you at HS and College, not think for yourself, right?

This is one of the sources that wiki pages has used, since you are completely and totally unable to think for yourself and understand how wiki-pages work.

Mammal Species of the World - Browse: Hominidae

 

[progressive hunter]

Lucy was just a small ape.

She walked upright, which apes don't, and we found 40% of her bones, which is a whole lot. The bigger brain that gives us the double sapiens in our name didn't come until later. But she was on her hind legs. That's big.

dead bones dont walk,,,the rest is just opinion


and didnt you say earlier this was no longer the view we came from primates???

Humans are primates. They are now considered, taxonomically speaking, just another great ape, like a chimp or a gorilla.

Hominidae - Wikipedia

wiki is not a good source,,,

Do you know why? Wiki is an aggregator of sources. You have been told by your college and High school teachers it is "not a good source," for your research papers, because you cannot source a news or research aggregator.

If you know how to use it, for pedestrian purposes? It doesn't matter.

You have really done what they told you at HS and College, not think for yourself, right?

This is one of the sources that wiki pages has used, since you are completely and totally unable to think for yourself and understand how wiki-pages work.

Mammal Species of the World - Browse: Hominidae

thanks for proving my point,,,

and who said I went to college and got indoctrinated???

 

[MisterBeale]

Faith shouldn't be taught in schools. Period.

Yeah instead let's teach the kiddies all about, "climate changey" homos, transgenders, there are a gazzilion different genders etc, etc .....how's that working out? A generation of messed up indoctrinated loons are the result.

Give them options

But kids do have options, Ms Sassy. There's school and there's Sunday school...and schule...and madras...etc. If parents want specialized teaching they can always take the kids to church, temple, mosque....

‘Creationism’ is a façade behind which the religious right has attempted to insert religious dogma into public schools, the consequence of conservatives’ unwarranted hostility toward Establishment Clause jurisprudence and the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate.

If localities WANT to have it in their public schools though, that IS their prerogative.


The Constitution makes clear, public education is the province and the authority of the state governments. State government detirmine curriculum, not Uncle Sam.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Faith shouldn't be taught in schools. Period.

Yeah instead let's teach the kiddies all about, "climate changey" homos, transgenders, there are a gazzilion different genders etc, etc .....how's that working out? A generation of messed up indoctrinated loons are the result.

Give them options

But kids do have options, Ms Sassy. There's school and there's Sunday school...and schule...and madras...etc. If parents want specialized teaching they can always take the kids to church, temple, mosque....

‘Creationism’ is a façade behind which the religious right has attempted to insert religious dogma into public schools, the consequence of conservatives’ unwarranted hostility toward Establishment Clause jurisprudence and the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate.

If localities WANT to have it in their public schools though, that IS their prerogative.


The Constitution makes clear, public education is the province and the authority of the state governments. State government detirmine curriculum, not Uncle Sam.

Someone should have told Ears that

 

[MisterBeale]

She walked upright, which apes don't, and we found 40% of her bones, which is a whole lot. The bigger brain that gives us the double sapiens in our name didn't come until later. But she was on her hind legs. That's big.

dead bones dont walk,,,the rest is just opinion


and didnt you say earlier this was no longer the view we came from primates???

Humans are primates. They are now considered, taxonomically speaking, just another great ape, like a chimp or a gorilla.

Hominidae - Wikipedia

wiki is not a good source,,,

Do you know why? Wiki is an aggregator of sources. You have been told by your college and High school teachers it is "not a good source," for your research papers, because you cannot source a news or research aggregator.

If you know how to use it, for pedestrian purposes? It doesn't matter.

You have really done what they told you at HS and College, not think for yourself, right?

This is one of the sources that wiki pages has used, since you are completely and totally unable to think for yourself and understand how wiki-pages work.

Mammal Species of the World - Browse: Hominidae

thanks for proving my point,,,

and who said I went to college and got indoctrinated???

I didn't prove your point.

I just told you, that for our purposes, since this isn't a research project, NO, wiki is JUST FINE.

If you have a problem with something in the wiki, LOOK at where the information came from originally.


Or. . .

 

[MisterBeale]

You should be able to teach whatever you want.

This is why government shouldn't be in charge of education.

Local and then state government has ALWAYS been in charge of what is taught. How the feds got involved was special ed requirements, which no school wanted to pay for. The federal government only contributes about 10% of a school's funding, but budgets are so tight that schools need every penny of it. If the feds aren't paying it, your taxes will go up to make up the difference, or your schools will close.

This is not true.

Before the civil war, parents were all in charge of educating their own children.
https://domestiquecap.com/wp-content/uploads/September-2012.pdf

 

[Natural Citizen]

that should include the faith/relligion of evolution

I want to abolish the entire Department of Education, so. Like yesterday.

 

[MisterBeale]

Faith shouldn't be taught in schools. Period.

Yeah instead let's teach the kiddies all about, "climate changey" homos, transgenders, there are a gazzilion different genders etc, etc .....how's that working out? A generation of messed up indoctrinated loons are the result.

Give them options

But kids do have options, Ms Sassy. There's school and there's Sunday school...and schule...and madras...etc. If parents want specialized teaching they can always take the kids to church, temple, mosque....

‘Creationism’ is a façade behind which the religious right has attempted to insert religious dogma into public schools, the consequence of conservatives’ unwarranted hostility toward Establishment Clause jurisprudence and the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate.

If localities WANT to have it in their public schools though, that IS their prerogative.


The Constitution makes clear, public education is the province and the authority of the state governments. State government detirmine curriculum, not Uncle Sam.

Someone should have told Ears that

He knew, he was a Constitutional scholar.

How do you think he knew how to circumvent it all so well?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Yeah instead let's teach the kiddies all about, "climate changey" homos, transgenders, there are a gazzilion different genders etc, etc .....how's that working out? A generation of messed up indoctrinated loons are the result.

Give them options

But kids do have options, Ms Sassy. There's school and there's Sunday school...and schule...and madras...etc. If parents want specialized teaching they can always take the kids to church, temple, mosque....

‘Creationism’ is a façade behind which the religious right has attempted to insert religious dogma into public schools, the consequence of conservatives’ unwarranted hostility toward Establishment Clause jurisprudence and the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate.

If localities WANT to have it in their public schools though, that IS their prerogative.


The Constitution makes clear, public education is the province and the authority of the state governments. State government detirmine curriculum, not Uncle Sam.

Someone should have told Ears that

He knew, he was a Constitutional scholar.

How do you think he knew how to circumvent it all so well?

Trump's fixed most of it

 

[progressive hunter]

But kids do have options, Ms Sassy. There's school and there's Sunday school...and schule...and madras...etc. If parents want specialized teaching they can always take the kids to church, temple, mosque....

‘Creationism’ is a façade behind which the religious right has attempted to insert religious dogma into public schools, the consequence of conservatives’ unwarranted hostility toward Establishment Clause jurisprudence and the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate.

If localities WANT to have it in their public schools though, that IS their prerogative.


The Constitution makes clear, public education is the province and the authority of the state governments. State government detirmine curriculum, not Uncle Sam.

Someone should have told Ears that

He knew, he was a Constitutional scholar.

How do you think he knew how to circumvent it all so well?

Trump's fixed most of it

trump fixed most of what???

 

[SassyIrishLass]

‘Creationism’ is a façade behind which the religious right has attempted to insert religious dogma into public schools, the consequence of conservatives’ unwarranted hostility toward Establishment Clause jurisprudence and the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate.

If localities WANT to have it in their public schools though, that IS their prerogative.


The Constitution makes clear, public education is the province and the authority of the state governments. State government detirmine curriculum, not Uncle Sam.

Someone should have told Ears that

He knew, he was a Constitutional scholar.

How do you think he knew how to circumvent it all so well?

Trump's fixed most of it

trump fixed most of what???

Ear's fuckups

 

[progressive hunter]

If localities WANT to have it in their public schools though, that IS their prerogative.


The Constitution makes clear, public education is the province and the authority of the state governments. State government detirmine curriculum, not Uncle Sam.

Someone should have told Ears that

He knew, he was a Constitutional scholar.

How do you think he knew how to circumvent it all so well?

Trump's fixed most of it

trump fixed most of what???

Ear's fuckups

OK ,,
I thought you meant the constitution which of course is laughable,,,

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Someone should have told Ears that

He knew, he was a Constitutional scholar.

How do you think he knew how to circumvent it all so well?

Trump's fixed most of it

trump fixed most of what???

Ear's fuckups

OK ,,
I thought you meant the constitution which of course is laughable,,,

Ears was a colossal disaster

 

[progressive hunter]

He knew, he was a Constitutional scholar.

How do you think he knew how to circumvent it all so well?

Trump's fixed most of it

trump fixed most of what???

Ear's fuckups

OK ,,
I thought you meant the constitution which of course is laughable,,,

Ears was a colossal disaster

from my POV I agree,, but it is a matter of perspective, to some he was a success

 

[OldLady]

You should be able to teach whatever you want.

This is why government shouldn't be in charge of education.

Local and then state government has ALWAYS been in charge of what is taught.

Yep. I'm saying that was/is a mistake.

How the feds got involved was special ed requirements, which no school wanted to pay for. The federal government only contributes about 10% of a school's funding, but budgets are so tight that schools need every penny of it. If the feds aren't paying it, your taxes will go up to make up the difference, or your schools will close.

And that was an even bigger mistake.

"Local government" is actually the parents' input. School boards, etc. But schools have always relied on local and state taxes to function.