So Biden Would Not Answer To Why He Never Contacted Portland To Stop The Democrat Riot. Gee, Why? Was He Just Too Busy? Watching Netflix?

It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.
Blacks were the first to enslave Blacks. White people introduced civilization to the Black tribes in Africa and White people fought and died to free Black slaves in the USA.
I don’t know what point you are trying to prove with that statement. Is that supposed to be a counterpoint to everything I listed?
It's a history lesson, and you obviously can't deny the truth in that history.
 
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.


The Constitution did not count them as "real people" because even then, white people as a group, were working to undermine the power of slavers.

White people as a group, did not start a civil war over the issue of slavery, but to end slavery. The minority of whites, were the ones fighting for it, and they were fighting against the odds and they knew it. And they lost badly and they accepted that loss.

At every turn, you smear Whites as a group, with the actions of the smaller minority and ignore their sacrifices and good works, of the majority of whites.


REally, your actions are a testimony to the failure of all our nation's work on this issue, that so much good can be dismissed and hate and division is growing instead of fading.
Are you kidding? You know it takes two to have a war don’t you?? You think because one side fought to end slavery that’s the whole story?!?! Cause there was a whole other side that fought to keep it. A side that continued oppressing and discriminating against blacks for Generations through Jim Crow laws and horrible disgraceful acts. Would you prefer we just ignore all of that and the lasting effects it had within our society and system? Let’s just pretend none of that happened and praise the whit man for fighting to end slavery!!! We all deserve a cookie don’t we?


Lincoln won an election with the majority of white votes. The much larger and more populated NORTH, was on the anti-slavery side, the smaller and weaker and minority sided South, was the minority.

Why are Whites as a group, not defined by the actions of the MAJORITY?
 
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.
Blacks were the first to enslave Blacks. White people introduced civilization to the Black tribes in Africa and White people fought and died to free Black slaves in the USA.
I don’t know what point you are trying to prove with that statement. Is that supposed to be a counterpoint to everything I listed?
It's a history lesson, and you obviously can't deny the truth in that history.
It’s a distraction from the point. Yes there were black slave owners and yes white people fought and died to end slavery. Those guys were great patriots and heroes.

so what point were you trying to make
 
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.


The Constitution did not count them as "real people" because even then, white people as a group, were working to undermine the power of slavers.

White people as a group, did not start a civil war over the issue of slavery, but to end slavery. The minority of whites, were the ones fighting for it, and they were fighting against the odds and they knew it. And they lost badly and they accepted that loss.

At every turn, you smear Whites as a group, with the actions of the smaller minority and ignore their sacrifices and good works, of the majority of whites.


REally, your actions are a testimony to the failure of all our nation's work on this issue, that so much good can be dismissed and hate and division is growing instead of fading.
Are you kidding? You know it takes two to have a war don’t you?? You think because one side fought to end slavery that’s the whole story?!?! Cause there was a whole other side that fought to keep it. A side that continued oppressing and discriminating against blacks for Generations through Jim Crow laws and horrible disgraceful acts. Would you prefer we just ignore all of that and the lasting effects it had within our society and system? Let’s just pretend none of that happened and praise the whit man for fighting to end slavery!!! We all deserve a cookie don’t we?


Lincoln won an election with the majority of white votes. The much larger and more populated NORTH, was on the anti-slavery side, the smaller and weaker and minority sided South, was the minority.

Why are Whites as a group, not defined by the actions of the MAJORITY?
I don’t think anybody should be defined by a group, but the sad reality is we have a long history of racial issues and unfortunately bad apples ruin the bunch. Y’all say that about blacks when it comes to crime and blacks say it about whites when it comes to racism. Not a productive way to speak even though there’s truth in both statements
 
Unbelievable, right? It was a simple question. we all saw it. Mr. Biden, did you call the Governor/Mayor of Oregon/Portland to tell them to tell his supporters to stop burning down Portland?
Biden did not answer. So anyone here wanna guess why? was he watching any particular movie/movies on cable TV?
Was Biden too busy on his PC in his hideaway?
And yet, at least 40% of us are gonna vote for Biden?
:dunno: :dunno:
Is Joe president already?
 
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.
Blacks were the first to enslave Blacks. White people introduced civilization to the Black tribes in Africa and White people fought and died to free Black slaves in the USA.
I don’t know what point you are trying to prove with that statement. Is that supposed to be a counterpoint to everything I listed?
It's a history lesson, and you obviously can't deny the truth in that history.
It’s a distraction from the point. Yes there were black slave owners and yes white people fought and died to end slavery. Those guys were great patriots and heroes.

so what point were you trying to make
The point is that White people are not responsible for the condition of the Black man. Everyone has been oppressed.
 
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.


The Constitution did not count them as "real people" because even then, white people as a group, were working to undermine the power of slavers.

White people as a group, did not start a civil war over the issue of slavery, but to end slavery. The minority of whites, were the ones fighting for it, and they were fighting against the odds and they knew it. And they lost badly and they accepted that loss.

At every turn, you smear Whites as a group, with the actions of the smaller minority and ignore their sacrifices and good works, of the majority of whites.


REally, your actions are a testimony to the failure of all our nation's work on this issue, that so much good can be dismissed and hate and division is growing instead of fading.
Are you kidding? You know it takes two to have a war don’t you?? You think because one side fought to end slavery that’s the whole story?!?! Cause there was a whole other side that fought to keep it. A side that continued oppressing and discriminating against blacks for Generations through Jim Crow laws and horrible disgraceful acts. Would you prefer we just ignore all of that and the lasting effects it had within our society and system? Let’s just pretend none of that happened and praise the whit man for fighting to end slavery!!! We all deserve a cookie don’t we?


Lincoln won an election with the majority of white votes. The much larger and more populated NORTH, was on the anti-slavery side, the smaller and weaker and minority sided South, was the minority.

Why are Whites as a group, not defined by the actions of the MAJORITY?
I don’t think anybody should be defined by a group, but the sad reality is we have a long history of racial issues and unfortunately bad apples ruin the bunch. Y’all say that about blacks when it comes to crime and blacks say it about whites when it comes to racism. Not a productive way to speak even though there’s truth in both statements


I have no problem with defining groups by their actions. But if you are going to do that, the way to do it is to define the group by the actions of the MAJORITY, not always by the actions of the "Bad apples".

Your way is the what you would do it you are a ist or a phobe biased against the group in question.

I asked you why you are NOT defining Whites by the actions of the Majority, and I don't fully understand your answer.

I don't want to try to analysis it because liberals ALWAYS claim that my reading of their intent is "Wrong".

So, please explain more fully and clearly, your reason for defining whites as a group by the actions of the minority "bad apples", which you admit is wrong, or "not productive", instead of by the actions of the majority.
 
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.
Blacks were the first to enslave Blacks. White people introduced civilization to the Black tribes in Africa and White people fought and died to free Black slaves in the USA.
I don’t know what point you are trying to prove with that statement. Is that supposed to be a counterpoint to everything I listed?
It's a history lesson, and you obviously can't deny the truth in that history.
It’s a distraction from the point. Yes there were black slave owners and yes white people fought and died to end slavery. Those guys were great patriots and heroes.

so what point were you trying to make
The point is that White people are not responsible for the condition of the Black man. Everyone has been oppressed.
Ok buddy... whatever you say
 
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.


The Constitution did not count them as "real people" because even then, white people as a group, were working to undermine the power of slavers.

White people as a group, did not start a civil war over the issue of slavery, but to end slavery. The minority of whites, were the ones fighting for it, and they were fighting against the odds and they knew it. And they lost badly and they accepted that loss.

At every turn, you smear Whites as a group, with the actions of the smaller minority and ignore their sacrifices and good works, of the majority of whites.


REally, your actions are a testimony to the failure of all our nation's work on this issue, that so much good can be dismissed and hate and division is growing instead of fading.
Are you kidding? You know it takes two to have a war don’t you?? You think because one side fought to end slavery that’s the whole story?!?! Cause there was a whole other side that fought to keep it. A side that continued oppressing and discriminating against blacks for Generations through Jim Crow laws and horrible disgraceful acts. Would you prefer we just ignore all of that and the lasting effects it had within our society and system? Let’s just pretend none of that happened and praise the whit man for fighting to end slavery!!! We all deserve a cookie don’t we?


Lincoln won an election with the majority of white votes. The much larger and more populated NORTH, was on the anti-slavery side, the smaller and weaker and minority sided South, was the minority.

Why are Whites as a group, not defined by the actions of the MAJORITY?
I don’t think anybody should be defined by a group, but the sad reality is we have a long history of racial issues and unfortunately bad apples ruin the bunch. Y’all say that about blacks when it comes to crime and blacks say it about whites when it comes to racism. Not a productive way to speak even though there’s truth in both statements


I have no problem with defining groups by their actions. But if you are going to do that, the way to do it is to define the group by the actions of the MAJORITY, not always by the actions of the "Bad apples".

Your way is the what you would do it you are a ist or a phobe biased against the group in question.

I asked you why you are NOT defining Whites by the actions of the Majority, and I don't fully understand your answer.

I don't want to try to analysis it because liberals ALWAYS claim that my reading of their intent is "Wrong".

So, please explain more fully and clearly, your reason for defining whites as a group by the actions of the minority "bad apples", which you admit is wrong, or "not productive", instead of by the actions of the majority.
Wow, thank you for asking instead of drawing false assumptions.

The answer is I don't think groups should be judged by the actions of a minority. I don’t think white people are racists because a small portion are. The issue isnt about White racists... it’s about generations of oppression that has happened through our society and system of government. Yes slavery was instituted and then abolished but that didn’t mean all was peachy for blacks... they were lynched and segregated and discriminated against LEGALLY for 100 years after the war. We finally changed our laws but remnants of that history still exists in our society and the toll that It took on the black community is still very much being felt today. This strife needs to be recognized and I think its completely ignorant to deny that any of this exists and all is good
 
The answer is I don't think groups should be judged by the actions of a minority. I don’t think white people are racists because a small portion are. The issue isnt about White racists... it’s about generations of oppression that has happened through our society and system of government. Yes slavery was instituted and then abolished but that didn’t mean all was peachy for blacks... they were lynched and segregated and discriminated against LEGALLY for 100 years after the war. We finally changed our laws but remnants of that history still exists in our society and the toll that It took on the black community is still very much being felt today. This strife needs to be recognized and I think its completely ignorant to deny that any of this exists and all is good


1. When you say that "White people" did something, that was done by the racists minority, you are defining white people by the "bad apples" and in doing so, disrespecting the good actions and sacrifices of the white majority that was fighting racism. (especially in the times when racists fought BACK)


2. Yes. The "Toll" it took on the blacks. What about the "toll" it took and is taking on whites today? Especially poor and middle class whites. We have been paying the price for a long time now, and for our pain, we are getting more and more hate and division and racism thrown in our face on an increasing basis.
 
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.


The Constitution did not count them as "real people" because even then, white people as a group, were working to undermine the power of slavers.

White people as a group, did not start a civil war over the issue of slavery, but to end slavery. The minority of whites, were the ones fighting for it, and they were fighting against the odds and they knew it. And they lost badly and they accepted that loss.

At every turn, you smear Whites as a group, with the actions of the smaller minority and ignore their sacrifices and good works, of the majority of whites.


REally, your actions are a testimony to the failure of all our nation's work on this issue, that so much good can be dismissed and hate and division is growing instead of fading.
Are you kidding? You know it takes two to have a war don’t you?? You think because one side fought to end slavery that’s the whole story?!?! Cause there was a whole other side that fought to keep it. A side that continued oppressing and discriminating against blacks for Generations through Jim Crow laws and horrible disgraceful acts. Would you prefer we just ignore all of that and the lasting effects it had within our society and system? Let’s just pretend none of that happened and praise the whit man for fighting to end slavery!!! We all deserve a cookie don’t we?


Lincoln won an election with the majority of white votes. The much larger and more populated NORTH, was on the anti-slavery side, the smaller and weaker and minority sided South, was the minority.

Why are Whites as a group, not defined by the actions of the MAJORITY?
I don’t think anybody should be defined by a group, but the sad reality is we have a long history of racial issues and unfortunately bad apples ruin the bunch. Y’all say that about blacks when it comes to crime and blacks say it about whites when it comes to racism. Not a productive way to speak even though there’s truth in both statements


I have no problem with defining groups by their actions. But if you are going to do that, the way to do it is to define the group by the actions of the MAJORITY, not always by the actions of the "Bad apples".

Your way is the what you would do it you are a ist or a phobe biased against the group in question.

I asked you why you are NOT defining Whites by the actions of the Majority, and I don't fully understand your answer.

I don't want to try to analysis it because liberals ALWAYS claim that my reading of their intent is "Wrong".

So, please explain more fully and clearly, your reason for defining whites as a group by the actions of the minority "bad apples", which you admit is wrong, or "not productive", instead of by the actions of the majority.
Wow, thank you for asking instead of drawing false assumptions.

The answer is I don't think groups should be judged by the actions of a minority. I don’t think white people are racists because a small portion are. The issue isnt about White racists... it’s about generations of oppression that has happened through our society and system of government. Yes slavery was instituted and then abolished but that didn’t mean all was peachy for blacks... they were lynched and segregated and discriminated against LEGALLY for 100 years after the war. We finally changed our laws but remnants of that history still exists in our society and the toll that It took on the black community is still very much being felt today. This strife needs to be recognized and I think its completely ignorant to deny that any of this exists and all is good
Which political party was responsible for the KKK and Jim Crow laws?
 
It tells me that it’s an extremely complicated situation.


Not that complicated. People don't have a right to break the law and cause harm to others, just because they are pissed off.

Arrest their asses, clear the fucking streets, let people live their lives.
You’re right they don’t but when people are protesting abuse of power and racial violence from the cops it becomes a very volatile situation when those being protested try and control the situation. The safety of the police needs to be considered as well so if it’s a call between giving up some buildings and cars vs potential loss of life I understand wanting to save the lives. Yes, it’s complicated
How come they aren't protesting the violence in Chicago. Blacks are slaughtering each other and no one protests. A white cop kills a black thug and everyone loses their mind. Can't you see what's going on here?
Of course i see it. It’s a tragedy. Who exactly do you want them to protest against in Chicago?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. You must believe the propaganda that there is systemic racism everywhere.
I only know what I experience and as a middle class white guy I’m not in a position to have experienced the type of systematic racism that minorities are complaining about. I can look at history and see how our system has a very ugly history of discrimination which has resulted in a lopsided Baka ave of wealth inequality for the minority communities, that’s undeniable. I can also listen, observe and support efforts to make our system better and more just.
The only minorities complaining are the ones the propaganda parrots show you. You've swallowed the kool aid.
How do you know those are the only people complaining? That sounds like a rather ignorant statement which you have no real way of verifying
I'm not the ignorant one here. You obviously don't understand what is really going on. Watch this, please.
AOC is a hyperbolic child, I don’t think pointing to all the extremist advocates is the strongest point for you to make nor does it prove that they are the only ones complaining about equality issues
She's a powerful Democrat leader. What about Michelle Obama? Today she called President Trump a racist and begged for Black and Brown young people to vote for Biden. Talk about irony. Calling the President a racist, then singling out people by skin color. You still don't get it?
She called out his actual comments and messaging that he is pushing which is racist. What about her critique do you disagree with?
Show me.
Show you what?
Show me President Trump's racist messaging and comments.
You’ve heard and have seen Trumps campaign against low income housing in the suburbs. You can decide for yourself if you think those efforts are racist or not. There’s nothing for me to show you if you know the situation. If you don’t know then go read about it. Michelle obviously feels that his efforts and comments are racist


So, nothing overtly racist. Seems the type of accusation that should only be made with real cause.
I can very easily call you an idiot without using the words idiot. Trump is very good at skirting around direct statements. So no he doesn’t make overtly racist comments but anybody with a brain can see exactly what he’s doing.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not racist, he is elitist. He respects people with wealth and power and does not Respect or empathize with those without. It just so happens that a larger proportion of minorities are poor in this country so when he spits in the face of the poor many take it as racist.
So? Trump isn't responsible for what a bunch of ignorant people think. Many people think that Joe Biden is a racist and demented. What should be done about that?
Nothing should be done about that. You can think whatever you want. I’m sure you won’t vote for Biden if that’s what you believe just like I won’t vote for Trump
Exactly. That's why we shouldn't promote subsidized housing in the suburbs, EBT food supplementation, and government jobs.
A little advice... you should balance your arguments with solutions to the issues that are trying to be addressed if you want to engage in a productive debate of ideas
I have the solution. Ignore the race hustlers and propaganda parrots in the Democrat party.
How does that address the problem?

What problem?
Haha, how did I know you we’re going to ask that?! If you don’t know the problems being address by the low income housing proposals then you are grossly ignorant on this issue and should be out there doing some research before BSIng a debate about it
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide housing.
What housing provided by the federal government are you talking about?
HUD.
HUD is absolutely the governments responsibility. It was legally established over 50 years ago and has been run by both republican and democratic administrations. I think it’s a great element in our government. Thumbs up from this guy
So you endorse the corruption that has run rampant for years, wasting billions of dollars.
No, I straight up condemn all corruption. Thanks for the question so I could make that clear!
So I assume you support Dr. Ben Carson then. Did you watch the video of Michelle?
Sleepy Ben is a little tough for me to watch but I think he is a good guy and I support the job he is trying to do. No I didn’t watch the Michelle video as of yet
Please watch it because you really should see for yourself that she is a hypocritical racist.
I just watched. That is nothing like what you described. Are you intentionally distorting her message or do you really listen to that and think she’s being racist and critiquing white people who by new homes in expensive neighborhoods?
She said white people moved because they are afraid of black people. That's bullshit.
She was talking about her actual experience growing up. How do you know thats bullshit?
So you believe white people moved because they were afraid of black people. Wow, that's a racist mindset you have there.
Not from my personal experience as seems to be true for you as well but I’m guessing you’re not black so your experience is quite different than somebody like Michelle Obama’s. I’m telling you what she was speaking to not what I’m accusing white people of doing. Michelle seemed to be speaking from personal experience. You distorted what she was saying so I guess I was right not to trust your presentation
What did I distort?
Michelle’s statement
Be specific.
You acted like she was talking about all white people and was making racist statements when in fact she was sharing her own personal experience about an issue that has been prevalent for decades.
She was talking about all white people. "Ya'll" means "you all". At the 40 second mark....."Ya'll were running from us". She also says "white folk". She didn't say a few or some. She didn't specify it. She was generic. Why would you cover for a blatant race hustler?
I can understand english. I heard what she said and I don’t think you are being honest or accurate about her message. What White people have done to black people throughout our nations history is a fucking disgrace. Not all white people but far to many. The experience that Michelle and her family went through growing up is a fucking disgrace. What still happens to minorities and black people in this country is a fucking disgrace. You ask why I’m covering for a blatant race hustler?! I can only laugh. I don’t see Michelle Obama as a race hustler, she is an important voice and figure that represents the black community who is fighting for change. I look at the clown in the White House and that’s where I see the race hustler and you’re the person I see covering for him


White people as a group, have been fighting for black people for a long time now. Everytime the issue of civil rights has become an issue, whites, as a group, has come down on the side of helping blacks, for generations.


Your denial of this central truth, shows the failure of liberals to be honest about race.
When did I deny that central truth? Can you show the quote?


Your entire post, where you present the narrative as though white people as a group, have been victimizing black people.

It was a lie of omission.

Obviously.
White people as a group enslaved blacks, set up a constitution that didn’t recognized them as real people, started a civil war over the issue of slavery, institution state laws to discriminate against them for 100 years following the abolition of slavery, and then finally in 1965 we got the civil rights act which legally put protections in for blacks. People are still alive today who loves through those times. Racism and discrimination is something that blacks have had to deal with for generations and it still exists in our society. So I’m not buying your narrative tut the first black First Lady is some antagonizing racist. If you need to play word games to try and demean her message or to try and “win” a debate with me then go right ahead but you’re not fooling anybody.


The Constitution did not count them as "real people" because even then, white people as a group, were working to undermine the power of slavers.

White people as a group, did not start a civil war over the issue of slavery, but to end slavery. The minority of whites, were the ones fighting for it, and they were fighting against the odds and they knew it. And they lost badly and they accepted that loss.

At every turn, you smear Whites as a group, with the actions of the smaller minority and ignore their sacrifices and good works, of the majority of whites.


REally, your actions are a testimony to the failure of all our nation's work on this issue, that so much good can be dismissed and hate and division is growing instead of fading.
Are you kidding? You know it takes two to have a war don’t you?? You think because one side fought to end slavery that’s the whole story?!?! Cause there was a whole other side that fought to keep it. A side that continued oppressing and discriminating against blacks for Generations through Jim Crow laws and horrible disgraceful acts. Would you prefer we just ignore all of that and the lasting effects it had within our society and system? Let’s just pretend none of that happened and praise the whit man for fighting to end slavery!!! We all deserve a cookie don’t we?


Lincoln won an election with the majority of white votes. The much larger and more populated NORTH, was on the anti-slavery side, the smaller and weaker and minority sided South, was the minority.

Why are Whites as a group, not defined by the actions of the MAJORITY?
I don’t think anybody should be defined by a group, but the sad reality is we have a long history of racial issues and unfortunately bad apples ruin the bunch. Y’all say that about blacks when it comes to crime and blacks say it about whites when it comes to racism. Not a productive way to speak even though there’s truth in both statements


I have no problem with defining groups by their actions. But if you are going to do that, the way to do it is to define the group by the actions of the MAJORITY, not always by the actions of the "Bad apples".

Your way is the what you would do it you are a ist or a phobe biased against the group in question.

I asked you why you are NOT defining Whites by the actions of the Majority, and I don't fully understand your answer.

I don't want to try to analysis it because liberals ALWAYS claim that my reading of their intent is "Wrong".

So, please explain more fully and clearly, your reason for defining whites as a group by the actions of the minority "bad apples", which you admit is wrong, or "not productive", instead of by the actions of the majority.
Wow, thank you for asking instead of drawing false assumptions.

The answer is I don't think groups should be judged by the actions of a minority. I don’t think white people are racists because a small portion are. The issue isnt about White racists... it’s about generations of oppression that has happened through our society and system of government. Yes slavery was instituted and then abolished but that didn’t mean all was peachy for blacks... they were lynched and segregated and discriminated against LEGALLY for 100 years after the war. We finally changed our laws but remnants of that history still exists in our society and the toll that It took on the black community is still very much being felt today. This strife needs to be recognized and I think its completely ignorant to deny that any of this exists and all is good
Which political party was responsible for the KKK and Jim Crow laws?
Southern Democrats. Why?
 
The answer is I don't think groups should be judged by the actions of a minority. I don’t think white people are racists because a small portion are. The issue isnt about White racists... it’s about generations of oppression that has happened through our society and system of government. Yes slavery was instituted and then abolished but that didn’t mean all was peachy for blacks... they were lynched and segregated and discriminated against LEGALLY for 100 years after the war. We finally changed our laws but remnants of that history still exists in our society and the toll that It took on the black community is still very much being felt today. This strife needs to be recognized and I think its completely ignorant to deny that any of this exists and all is good


1. When you say that "White people" did something, that was done by the racists minority, you are defining white people by the "bad apples" and in doing so, disrespecting the good actions and sacrifices of the white majority that was fighting racism. (especially in the times when racists fought BACK)


2. Yes. The "Toll" it took on the blacks. What about the "toll" it took and is taking on whites today? Especially poor and middle class whites. We have been paying the price for a long time now, and for our pain, we are getting more and more hate and division and racism thrown in our face on an increasing basis.
I’m not dismissing the good actions... as I explained before those “good” actions were simply doing the right thing. And despite those who did the right thing in the fight against slavery they still tolerated and accepted a world of Jim Crow, segregation, lynchings, and discrimination for 100 years after the civil war.

I’m not worried about the white victims of our racist history. I think that’s a pretty silly point. There is a huge element of this which has been explained to you many time which you just don’t seem to understand. I don’t know if that’s intentional or if you truly don’t get it... but either way it’s pretty sad
 
The answer is I don't think groups should be judged by the actions of a minority. I don’t think white people are racists because a small portion are. The issue isnt about White racists... it’s about generations of oppression that has happened through our society and system of government. Yes slavery was instituted and then abolished but that didn’t mean all was peachy for blacks... they were lynched and segregated and discriminated against LEGALLY for 100 years after the war. We finally changed our laws but remnants of that history still exists in our society and the toll that It took on the black community is still very much being felt today. This strife needs to be recognized and I think its completely ignorant to deny that any of this exists and all is good


1. When you say that "White people" did something, that was done by the racists minority, you are defining white people by the "bad apples" and in doing so, disrespecting the good actions and sacrifices of the white majority that was fighting racism. (especially in the times when racists fought BACK)


2. Yes. The "Toll" it took on the blacks. What about the "toll" it took and is taking on whites today? Especially poor and middle class whites. We have been paying the price for a long time now, and for our pain, we are getting more and more hate and division and racism thrown in our face on an increasing basis.
I’m not dismissing the good actions... as I explained before those “good” actions were simply doing the right thing. And despite those who did the right thing in the fight against slavery they still tolerated and accepted a world of Jim Crow, segregation, lynchings, and discrimination for 100 years after the civil war.

I’m not worried about the white victims of our racist history. I think that’s a pretty silly point. There is a huge element of this which has been explained to you many time which you just don’t seem to understand. I don’t know if that’s intentional or if you truly don’t get it... but either way it’s pretty sad



1. When you define the group by the actions of the minority, and ignore the actions of the majority, you are dismissing their actions. Even if you say you are not.

2. Thank you for admitting that you just do not care about the white victims of racism. That is a huge concession and I do appreciate that you did not try to spin it or dodge. That being said, with all due respect, I don't see how that is anything but you losing the debate. The topic is the riots, which do have a heavy anti-white racism factor, and you just admitted you don't care about that. That greatly undermines your position.

3. Don't pretend that because I disagree with you, that I don't understand you. That is just you flinging bullshit. You do that, and I will call you out on it, every fucking time. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. For example I DO care about the white victims of racism.


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The answer is I don't think groups should be judged by the actions of a minority. I don’t think white people are racists because a small portion are. The issue isnt about White racists... it’s about generations of oppression that has happened through our society and system of government. Yes slavery was instituted and then abolished but that didn’t mean all was peachy for blacks... they were lynched and segregated and discriminated against LEGALLY for 100 years after the war. We finally changed our laws but remnants of that history still exists in our society and the toll that It took on the black community is still very much being felt today. This strife needs to be recognized and I think its completely ignorant to deny that any of this exists and all is good


1. When you say that "White people" did something, that was done by the racists minority, you are defining white people by the "bad apples" and in doing so, disrespecting the good actions and sacrifices of the white majority that was fighting racism. (especially in the times when racists fought BACK)


2. Yes. The "Toll" it took on the blacks. What about the "toll" it took and is taking on whites today? Especially poor and middle class whites. We have been paying the price for a long time now, and for our pain, we are getting more and more hate and division and racism thrown in our face on an increasing basis.
I’m not dismissing the good actions... as I explained before those “good” actions were simply doing the right thing. And despite those who did the right thing in the fight against slavery they still tolerated and accepted a world of Jim Crow, segregation, lynchings, and discrimination for 100 years after the civil war.

I’m not worried about the white victims of our racist history. I think that’s a pretty silly point. There is a huge element of this which has been explained to you many time which you just don’t seem to understand. I don’t know if that’s intentional or if you truly don’t get it... but either way it’s pretty sad



1. When you define the group by the actions of the minority, and ignore the actions of the majority, you are dismissing their actions. Even if you say you are not.

2. Thank you for admitting that you just do not care about the white victims of racism. That is a huge concession and I do appreciate that you did not try to spin it or dodge. That being said, with all due respect, I don't see how that is anything but you losing the debate. The topic is the riots, which do have a heavy anti-white racism factor, and you just admitted you don't care about that. That greatly undermines your position.

3. Don't pretend that because I disagree with you, that I don't understand you. That is just you flinging bullshit. You do that, and I will call you out on it, every fucking time. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. For example I DO care about the white victims of racism.


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Can you give an example of the victims of white racism that you are talking about?
 
The answer is I don't think groups should be judged by the actions of a minority. I don’t think white people are racists because a small portion are. The issue isnt about White racists... it’s about generations of oppression that has happened through our society and system of government. Yes slavery was instituted and then abolished but that didn’t mean all was peachy for blacks... they were lynched and segregated and discriminated against LEGALLY for 100 years after the war. We finally changed our laws but remnants of that history still exists in our society and the toll that It took on the black community is still very much being felt today. This strife needs to be recognized and I think its completely ignorant to deny that any of this exists and all is good


1. When you say that "White people" did something, that was done by the racists minority, you are defining white people by the "bad apples" and in doing so, disrespecting the good actions and sacrifices of the white majority that was fighting racism. (especially in the times when racists fought BACK)


2. Yes. The "Toll" it took on the blacks. What about the "toll" it took and is taking on whites today? Especially poor and middle class whites. We have been paying the price for a long time now, and for our pain, we are getting more and more hate and division and racism thrown in our face on an increasing basis.
I’m not dismissing the good actions... as I explained before those “good” actions were simply doing the right thing. And despite those who did the right thing in the fight against slavery they still tolerated and accepted a world of Jim Crow, segregation, lynchings, and discrimination for 100 years after the civil war.

I’m not worried about the white victims of our racist history. I think that’s a pretty silly point. There is a huge element of this which has been explained to you many time which you just don’t seem to understand. I don’t know if that’s intentional or if you truly don’t get it... but either way it’s pretty sad



1. When you define the group by the actions of the minority, and ignore the actions of the majority, you are dismissing their actions. Even if you say you are not.

2. Thank you for admitting that you just do not care about the white victims of racism. That is a huge concession and I do appreciate that you did not try to spin it or dodge. That being said, with all due respect, I don't see how that is anything but you losing the debate. The topic is the riots, which do have a heavy anti-white racism factor, and you just admitted you don't care about that. That greatly undermines your position.

3. Don't pretend that because I disagree with you, that I don't understand you. That is just you flinging bullshit. You do that, and I will call you out on it, every fucking time. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. For example I DO care about the white victims of racism.


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Can you give an example of the victims of white racism that you are talking about?


The photo was one. A white man beaten almost to death by an anti-white racist mob, for daring to try to protect a white transexual they were robbing.

I can give millions of others, if you want. Do you want to ignore the one I already posted for some reason?
 
The answer is I don't think groups should be judged by the actions of a minority. I don’t think white people are racists because a small portion are. The issue isnt about White racists... it’s about generations of oppression that has happened through our society and system of government. Yes slavery was instituted and then abolished but that didn’t mean all was peachy for blacks... they were lynched and segregated and discriminated against LEGALLY for 100 years after the war. We finally changed our laws but remnants of that history still exists in our society and the toll that It took on the black community is still very much being felt today. This strife needs to be recognized and I think its completely ignorant to deny that any of this exists and all is good


1. When you say that "White people" did something, that was done by the racists minority, you are defining white people by the "bad apples" and in doing so, disrespecting the good actions and sacrifices of the white majority that was fighting racism. (especially in the times when racists fought BACK)


2. Yes. The "Toll" it took on the blacks. What about the "toll" it took and is taking on whites today? Especially poor and middle class whites. We have been paying the price for a long time now, and for our pain, we are getting more and more hate and division and racism thrown in our face on an increasing basis.
I’m not dismissing the good actions... as I explained before those “good” actions were simply doing the right thing. And despite those who did the right thing in the fight against slavery they still tolerated and accepted a world of Jim Crow, segregation, lynchings, and discrimination for 100 years after the civil war.

I’m not worried about the white victims of our racist history. I think that’s a pretty silly point. There is a huge element of this which has been explained to you many time which you just don’t seem to understand. I don’t know if that’s intentional or if you truly don’t get it... but either way it’s pretty sad



1. When you define the group by the actions of the minority, and ignore the actions of the majority, you are dismissing their actions. Even if you say you are not.

2. Thank you for admitting that you just do not care about the white victims of racism. That is a huge concession and I do appreciate that you did not try to spin it or dodge. That being said, with all due respect, I don't see how that is anything but you losing the debate. The topic is the riots, which do have a heavy anti-white racism factor, and you just admitted you don't care about that. That greatly undermines your position.

3. Don't pretend that because I disagree with you, that I don't understand you. That is just you flinging bullshit. You do that, and I will call you out on it, every fucking time. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. For example I DO care about the white victims of racism.


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Can you give an example of the victims of white racism that you are talking about?


The photo was one. A white man beaten almost to death by an anti-white racist mob, for daring to try to protect a white transexual they were robbing.

I can give millions of others, if you want. Do you want to ignore the one I already posted for some reason?
Sure I’d love to see more. I’d absolutely stand against acts of violence like that BTW. I don’t see that as the same as the racial inequality issue that we’ve been speaking about.
 
The answer is I don't think groups should be judged by the actions of a minority. I don’t think white people are racists because a small portion are. The issue isnt about White racists... it’s about generations of oppression that has happened through our society and system of government. Yes slavery was instituted and then abolished but that didn’t mean all was peachy for blacks... they were lynched and segregated and discriminated against LEGALLY for 100 years after the war. We finally changed our laws but remnants of that history still exists in our society and the toll that It took on the black community is still very much being felt today. This strife needs to be recognized and I think its completely ignorant to deny that any of this exists and all is good


1. When you say that "White people" did something, that was done by the racists minority, you are defining white people by the "bad apples" and in doing so, disrespecting the good actions and sacrifices of the white majority that was fighting racism. (especially in the times when racists fought BACK)


2. Yes. The "Toll" it took on the blacks. What about the "toll" it took and is taking on whites today? Especially poor and middle class whites. We have been paying the price for a long time now, and for our pain, we are getting more and more hate and division and racism thrown in our face on an increasing basis.
I’m not dismissing the good actions... as I explained before those “good” actions were simply doing the right thing. And despite those who did the right thing in the fight against slavery they still tolerated and accepted a world of Jim Crow, segregation, lynchings, and discrimination for 100 years after the civil war.

I’m not worried about the white victims of our racist history. I think that’s a pretty silly point. There is a huge element of this which has been explained to you many time which you just don’t seem to understand. I don’t know if that’s intentional or if you truly don’t get it... but either way it’s pretty sad



1. When you define the group by the actions of the minority, and ignore the actions of the majority, you are dismissing their actions. Even if you say you are not.

2. Thank you for admitting that you just do not care about the white victims of racism. That is a huge concession and I do appreciate that you did not try to spin it or dodge. That being said, with all due respect, I don't see how that is anything but you losing the debate. The topic is the riots, which do have a heavy anti-white racism factor, and you just admitted you don't care about that. That greatly undermines your position.

3. Don't pretend that because I disagree with you, that I don't understand you. That is just you flinging bullshit. You do that, and I will call you out on it, every fucking time. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. For example I DO care about the white victims of racism.


View attachment 399153
Can you give an example of the victims of white racism that you are talking about?


The photo was one. A white man beaten almost to death by an anti-white racist mob, for daring to try to protect a white transexual they were robbing.

I can give millions of others, if you want. Do you want to ignore the one I already posted for some reason?
Sure I’d love to see more. I’d absolutely stand against acts of violence like that BTW. I don’t see that as the same as the racial inequality issue that we’ve been speaking about.


You don't see being beating nearly to death by a racist mob, to be a type of racial inequality?


I'm not sure.... what to say to that.


Can you walk me though how you got to that conclusion? And very, very slowly though each point, because I don't see ANYTHING of it at all at this point.
 
The answer is I don't think groups should be judged by the actions of a minority. I don’t think white people are racists because a small portion are. The issue isnt about White racists... it’s about generations of oppression that has happened through our society and system of government. Yes slavery was instituted and then abolished but that didn’t mean all was peachy for blacks... they were lynched and segregated and discriminated against LEGALLY for 100 years after the war. We finally changed our laws but remnants of that history still exists in our society and the toll that It took on the black community is still very much being felt today. This strife needs to be recognized and I think its completely ignorant to deny that any of this exists and all is good


1. When you say that "White people" did something, that was done by the racists minority, you are defining white people by the "bad apples" and in doing so, disrespecting the good actions and sacrifices of the white majority that was fighting racism. (especially in the times when racists fought BACK)


2. Yes. The "Toll" it took on the blacks. What about the "toll" it took and is taking on whites today? Especially poor and middle class whites. We have been paying the price for a long time now, and for our pain, we are getting more and more hate and division and racism thrown in our face on an increasing basis.
I’m not dismissing the good actions... as I explained before those “good” actions were simply doing the right thing. And despite those who did the right thing in the fight against slavery they still tolerated and accepted a world of Jim Crow, segregation, lynchings, and discrimination for 100 years after the civil war.

I’m not worried about the white victims of our racist history. I think that’s a pretty silly point. There is a huge element of this which has been explained to you many time which you just don’t seem to understand. I don’t know if that’s intentional or if you truly don’t get it... but either way it’s pretty sad



1. When you define the group by the actions of the minority, and ignore the actions of the majority, you are dismissing their actions. Even if you say you are not.

2. Thank you for admitting that you just do not care about the white victims of racism. That is a huge concession and I do appreciate that you did not try to spin it or dodge. That being said, with all due respect, I don't see how that is anything but you losing the debate. The topic is the riots, which do have a heavy anti-white racism factor, and you just admitted you don't care about that. That greatly undermines your position.

3. Don't pretend that because I disagree with you, that I don't understand you. That is just you flinging bullshit. You do that, and I will call you out on it, every fucking time. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. For example I DO care about the white victims of racism.


View attachment 399153
Can you give an example of the victims of white racism that you are talking about?


The photo was one. A white man beaten almost to death by an anti-white racist mob, for daring to try to protect a white transexual they were robbing.

I can give millions of others, if you want. Do you want to ignore the one I already posted for some reason?
Sure I’d love to see more. I’d absolutely stand against acts of violence like that BTW. I don’t see that as the same as the racial inequality issue that we’ve been speaking about.


You don't see being beating nearly to death by a racist mob, to be a type of racial inequality?


I'm not sure.... what to say to that.


Can you walk me though how you got to that conclusion? And very, very slowly though each point, because I don't see ANYTHING of it at all at this point.
No I see being beat by a mob a random act of violence not a systemic problem. Of course i feel Bad for anybody that gets assaulted and hope that the offenders get locked up no matter who they are
 

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