So Hillary-Deranged Wingers, How'd You Do For Your Twenty Million Dollars?

[bedowin62]

her poll #'s have remained the same or gone up after the show trial

I wonder if they hold after the FBI recommends charges under the espionage act.

its apparent that you have read the fbi statement at this time ... hildabeast hasn't violated any laws yet ... where are you going to hold this imaginary recommends charges under the espionage act. at ??? in your head??? will the left side of your brain represent hildabeast and the right side of your brain dream up what ever they can ????

um yes she has idiot

i have a real nice article on EXACTLY what laws she violated. but it's from the "right-wing corporate media" types over at THE DAILY KOS?

CAN YOU HANDLE IT IDIOT?

LMAO!

first of all I don't read the daily kos ... never have ... I would love to see your article... I bet its full of allege, maybe's, might have, could have ,statements ... like all of them ... so please show us your articlel if you really have one ...

are you still here nutjob???

i'm going to show it to you. but will you be MAN ENOUGH to admit it isnt "full of allege....etc"??????????????? is the question i want to know

lmao!!

 

[bedowin62]

Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 08:53 AM PDT
Hillary Clinton's Felony. The federal laws violated by the private server
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Hillary Rodham Clinton has committed a felony. That is apparent from the facts and in the plain-language of the federal statute that prohibits "Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information", 18 U.S. Code § 793(e) and (f). This offense carries a potential penalty of ten years imprisonment.
It's called a prima facie case: clear on the basis of known facts.
It's up to prosecutorial discretion by the US Attorney as to what charges may be filed and when. Nonetheless, Mrs. Clinton is clearly chargeable for violation of federal law. As of right now, the matter is under FBI investigation. This isn't just about violation of Departmental policy.
The facts:

 

[bedowin62]

NYT: F.B.I. Tracking Path of Classified Email From State Dept. to Hillary Clinton
http://www.nytimes.com/...
WASHINGTON — F.B.I. agents investigating Hillary Rodham Clinton’s private email server are seeking to determine who at the State Department passed highly classified information from secure networks to Mrs. Clinton’s personal account, according to law enforcement and diplomatic officials and others briefed on the investigation.
To track how the information flowed, agents will try to gain access to the email accounts of many State Department officials who worked there while Mrs. Clinton was secretary of state, the officials said. State Department employees apparently circulated the emails on unclassified systems in 2009 and 2011, and some were ultimately forwarded to Mrs. Clinton.
They were not marked as classified, the State Department has said, and it is unclear whether its employees knew the origin of the information.
F.B.I. is also trying to determine whether foreign powers, especially China or Russia, gained access to Mrs. Clinton’s private server, although at this point, any security breaches are speculation.

 

[bedowin62]

The fact that the email was not marked classified at the time does not excuse Mrs. Clinton. This is because information gathered from foreign government sources, a great deal of her email was so sourced, is presumed classified. Mrs Clinton received Departmental training on recognizing and handling classified materials. Presumed classified information is defined by Executive Order as "The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security." (see full text of that section of Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information, Sec. 1.1(4)(d), below)

 

[bedowin62]

so point out this "allege" part to me moron.

lmao!1

ALOT more to come, stay tuned!!!

 

[billyerock1991]

thats bedwetter for ya ??? all mouth with very l;ttle facts

YAWN

another left-wing moron that has me living rent-free in his head!

lol

no you get welfare to pay for your trailer and your food ... hell ,you think welfare and food stamps is the same program ....you've said it many times... that welfare and food stamps are the same program ... it show us how stupid you really are

because they ARE the same loser; and i showed you exactly where THE GOVERNMENT considers both of them welfare; NEEDS-BASED WELFARE


not my fault you arent man enough to admit when you're wrong

keep trying.....................

my manliness has nothing to do with it .... the fact that you have no Idea what you are talking about, pretty much says it all .... the fact that you had to attack my manliness as if you won the debate here, says it all ... iy clearly says you lost the debt ... it shows us all here you don't have a clue in what you're talking about ...

the lady doth protesteth too much!!

lol no dullard, y our manliness, or lack of it, has EVERYTHING to do with it. i showed you where our own government considers food stamps to be in the same category of other MEANS-TESTED programs, and so is a form of welfare

you're simply not MAN enough to admit you lost. you can SAY you're correct all day long, but it doesnt mean anything. you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

libs are losers who lie to themselves

no it doesn't it ... shows us you have no idea in what you're talking about... stick to the trailer park answers ... the kind of answer you are well informed about...

 

[bedowin62]

1. The hildabeasts state dept violated federal law concerning the consulate security.

2. More than 2,000 felonious national security violations by the hildabeast.

I'd say money well spent.

Seriously bubba? Are you off your meds again?

Ad hom, no factual rebuttal, how regressivecrat of ya.

Dah!! You said.....

1. The hildabeasts state dept violated federal law concerning the consulate security.

2. More than 2,000 felonious national security violations by the hildabeast.

Which, in the absence of any sort of documentation is nothing more than an appeal to ignorance.....and then you accuse ME of having nothing factual. You can go now bubba

US law requires certain security arrangement and physical structures for a State Dept facility. If a facility doesn't meet the legal requirements, the Sec of State must sign a waiver of those requirements, they cannot delegate that responsibility by law. The hildabeast failed to provide the required waiver, but allowed the consulate to operate anyways. All that was admitted in the hearings.

We also know for a fact the hildabeast had a minimum of 400 sensitive and classified documents on her unsecured server, just having those documents outside of approved containers is a felony for EACH document. The law says it doesn't matter if this was done intentionally or by neglect.

Also having the server stored in an unsecured locations, like her basement, the bathroom closet in CO, the cloud base backup service and her lawyers office, are once again felony violations for EACH document. That gives us a total of 2,000 felony violations at this point.

Then you add another 1,200 violations by the FACT that the people at Platte River Tech, the company that did the cloud base backups and her lawyer had access to those documents without proper clearances. Once again these laws do not differentiate between intent and neglect. If my math is correct that is 3,800 individual felony violations so I was being kind in just saying 2,000.

BTW, I didn't get into the obstruction of justice when she told Platte River not to back up all her emails or the perjury she committed by signing the affidavit to the Federal Judge that she had turned over all work related emails when in fact she hadn't.

So your challenge grasshopper is to prove she had no classified documents on her server, keeping in mind that the law doesn't care if she intended to have them or had them through neglect.

It’s interesting how you provide these narratives and present it as the truth and the whole truth, without any attempt to verify it or document it. I have to wonder if it’s laziness or the fact that you really don’t have a credible source for this dribble. Here is some actual information with source documentation:

Congress blocked Benghazi embassy securityCongress blocked Benghazi embassy security

As the Republicans are attacking Hillary Clinton fearing that she may run for president, they seem to overlook the truth. A major fact that they ignore is that the State Department (under Clinton) had asked for additional funding needed to improve security for U.S. embassies.

Congress denied the request. The House of Representatives controls the purse strings and is controlled by Republicans.

GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security by Ben ArmbrusterView attachment 53476 Oct 10, 2012 12:20pm (Selected excerpts)

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said today that he voted to cut funding for U.S. embassy security…….

Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack — which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya — suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up.


But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning on CNN, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely“:

As for the emails....that was nailed perfectly in posts 438, 462 and others

if you were a MAN ( LOL) you could show where any ACTUAL FUNDING was ACTUALLY cut at THAT compound AT THE TIME IT HAPPENED OR PRIOR TO IT HAPPENING

but you cant, and you wont; BECAUSE you cant

 

[kaz]

You spent twenty million dollars in our tax dollars to get what?

A great showcase for Hillary Clinton to kick your butts and solidify her presidential chances.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Now tell us how we can't afford to feed the hungry and subsidize medical care.

but.... BENGHAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZIIIIIIIIII!

We can spend $20 million, so we can obviously afford trillions



Um, that's why you earned your living on your back, isn't it?

 

[bedowin62]

Secretary Clinton was trained in handling of classified materials, and acknowledges that she understood them. By transmitting and receiving email correspondence that contained information gleaned from foreign government sources on an unauthorized, insecure system, she violated the law. This was not something she did unwittingly, and that the foreign government sourced material was not stamped classified is irrelevant.

 

[bedowin62]

trailer park

werent you crying about people mentioning things like this a little while ago pussy hypocrite??

lol

 

[kaz]

I believe we are status quo. No one's mind's were changed.

Which equates to utter failure on the part of the GOP given that the stated purpose of the Benghazi witch hunt committee was to harm Hillary's chances in 2016.

She's now on record when it comes to what happened. You have to give the diggers time to come up with any contradictions or questions, and of course, if anything comes out later that directly contradicts what she said in the hearing....

Who are we kidding, Clintons have been getting away with massaging the truth since the 90's.

She irks the right because she's a smart strong woman who defends women's rights.

She is like every other politician -- just smarter

You're like every other political junky, just dumber.

What "women's right" does she defend?

 

[bedowin62]

On his last day in office, President Bill Clinton pardoned former CIA Director John Deutch who had committed similar violations. Deutch left the CIA on December 15, 1996 and soon after it was revealed that several of his laptop computers contained classified materials. In January 1997, the CIA began a formal security investigation of the matter. Senior management at CIA declined to fully pursue the security breach. Over two years after his departure, the matter was referred to the Department of Justice, where Attorney General Janet Reno declined prosecution. She did, however, recommend an investigation to determine whether Deutch should retain his security clearance.
All Deutch did was to take some classified material home with him to work on his unsecured personal laptops that were connected to his home commercial internet. In other words, pretty much what Hillary did on a much larger scale

 

[bedowin62]

Other, lesser, federal officials have been recently prosecuted for downloading classified materials onto private servers or media and taking them home, and they were charged even though the materials was never publicly released and they had no intention to do so or to harm the United States. Links in thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/...
Applicable statutes and Executive Order:
1) 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
Full copy of this Section of the 1917 Espionage Act is below. It has been claimed that Hillary did not violate the law because she didn't intend to injure the U.S. or aid a foreign power. However, that purpose is not required to convict under this Subsections (e) and (f) of this statute.
Subsections (a)-(d) and (g)(conspiracy) reference and require intent to injure the United States. The plain-language of Subsection (e) and particularly (f) are different:
The difference is this phrase that references purpose in the first three subsections; "with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, Note: "is to be used"
The language in (e) is close but omits reference to purpose to injure: "he possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation". The word intent is not there. Note: "could be used"
Finally, the offense specified at (f) requires not willful action, simply a negligent action

 

[bedowin62]

(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

 

[billyerock1991]

so point out this "allege" part to me moron.

lmao!1

ALOT more to come, stay tuned!!!

we will be waiting here with your answers with bated breath ??? don't hold your breath folks ... bedwetter does this all the time ... then when he is supposed to come back with these alleged answer it never happens ... still waiting for the statement that food stamps is welfare ... that's never happen but bed wetter said he would come back with the source .. when he did come back he now he says well its part of the system.. my social security card is part of the system... medicare is part of the system... does that make it welfare too bedwetter ???

 

[bedowin62]

The differences between Sections (e) and (f) and the various other offenses covered in Section 793 comes down to the element of intent to injure the US or act to the advantage of a foreign power. These are not requisite elements of the offenses covered under these sections of the Espionage Act.
2) 1950 Federal Records Act
44 U.S. Code § 3106 - Unlawful removal, destruction of records
https://www.law.cornell.edu/...
Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)
The head of each Federal agency shall notify the Archivist of any actual, impending, or threatened unlawful removal, defacing, alteration, or destruction of records in the custody of the agency of which he is the head that shall come to his attention, and with the assistance of the Archivist shall initiate action through the Attorney General for the recovery of records he knows or has reason to believe have been unlawfully removed from his agency, or from another Federal agency whose records have been transferred to his legal custody. In any case in which the head of the agency does not initiate an action for such recovery or other redress within a reasonable period of time after being notified of any such unlawful action, the Archivist shall request the Attorney General to initiate such an action, and shall notify the Congress when such a request has been made.

 

[bedowin62]

so point out this "allege" part to me moron.

lmao!1

ALOT more to come, stay tuned!!!

we will be wating here with your answers with bated breath ??? don't hold your breath folks ... bedwetter does this all the time ... then when he is supposed to come back with these alleged answer it never happens ... still waiting for the statement that food stamps is welfare ... that's never happen but bed wetter said he would come back with the source .. when he did come back he now he says well its part of the system.. my social security card is part of the system... medicare is part of the system... does that make it welfare too bedwetter ???

you're a coward. that much is clear

here you are denying facts put in your face. you cant point out what is said to be "alleged" as you said my source would be earlier

now you're being a pussy trying to derail these facts by bringing up the welfare item

when i'm done here i'm going to show you that too loser

lol

 

[bedowin62]

That law requires heads of agencies -- no exception for DOS -- to preserve and turn over all official correspondence and records to the National Archives. She didn't do that until confronted after a Romanian hacker leaked Hillary's email correspondence with Blumenthal. Those emails were clearly official not private. HRC admits to destroying at least 30,000 emails she deemed private and turned over approximately 30,000 her lawyers found to be public documents. However, a number of other emails have subsequently been turned over and analysed by news agencies. Reuters reported that a number of them to contain presumed classified information

 

[bedowin62]

Hillary had also failed to provide these records to meet a FOIA request and Congressional Committee subpoena, which violates other federal laws.

 

[bedowin62]

Those emails and many like them were most recently found to contain "presumed classified" materials about US communications with foreign governments. That was a violation of Executive Orders, and possibly the 1917 Espionage Act that criminalizes private retention or mishandling of classified materials.
Intent to injure the U.S. or aid a foreign power is not required under Sec 793 (e) and (f). The mere fact of unauthorized removal or destruction of materials the official should have known were classified are all that is required for conviction under these parts of the Espionage Act. Hillary should have known.