So, how many leftists will admit socialism failed Venezuela?

[Mac1958]

All this emotional panic cannot be good for you.

Maybe you should re-direct all this drama queen energy into presenting an calm, thoughtful, cogent, intelligent, persuasive case for going in the opposite direction.

Oh yeah. You haven't been taught how.

Yeah, that's a problem.
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[danielpalos]

While many ideologues blame “socialism” for the country’s economic ills, most economists point to a set of policy errors that have little or nothing to do with socialism. Most devastating has been the dysfunctional exchange rate system, which has led to a worsening “inflation-depreciation” spiral over the past four years, and now hyperinflation. Free gasoline and price controls that didn’t work also contributed to the crisis. The Trump administration’s financial sanctions—more than all previous destabilization efforts, which were significant—have made it nearly impossible for the government to get out of the mess without outside help.

As if this profoundly distressing situation weren’t enough, media outlets have frequently published exaggerated accounts of the conditions in Venezuela, depicting widespread starvation, for instance. To be sure, soaring food prices have contributed to increased undernourishment throughout the country, but this is a far cry from a large scale famine.

More importantly, there has been scant U.S. media reporting on the further economic damage provoked by the Trump administration’s financial sanctions, announced in late August last year (shortly after Trump’s statement about a “military option” for Venezuela).

As my colleague Mark Weisbrot has explained, Trump’s unilateral and illegal financial embargo – which cuts Venezuela off from most financial markets – has had two major consequences, both of which entail increased economic hardship for the Venezuelan people. First, it causes even greater shortages of essential goods, including food and medicine. Second, it makes economic recovery nearly impossible, since the government cannot borrow or restructure its foreign debt, and in some cases even carry out normal import transactions, including for medicines.

The United States’ Hand in Undermining Democracy in Venezuela

You defend Venezuela because it reflects poorly on what you would do to the US.

Even the socialist that the V's elected to manage their socialism admitted it is the economic model that failed so miserably in Venezuela but then, WTF does he know, eh Comrade BB?

Socialist Venezuela Falling Apart As President Maduro Shockingly Blames Party

News flash! Socialism in poor, closed-door economies is a failure. So says Nicolas Maduro, who happens to be the president of one: the biggest failed state in the Americas, poor ol’ Venezuela.

In a surprising twist on Monday, Maduro went against the Socialists United (PSUV) playbook of blaming Washington (especially the CIA) for Venezuela’s troubles.

“The production models we’ve tried so far have failed, and the responsibility is ours—mine and yours,” Maduro told the PSUV party congress.

Venezuela’s economy is a disaster. The country faces a massive brain drain, with middle-class people leaving in droves to Madrid and Miami. Lower-income Venezuelans are trekking across borders into Colombia and Brazil.

Inflation is off the charts, up thousands of percentage points over the last few years, and up hundreds of percent this year alone. The currency is useless. Some towns have taken to bartering.

Government is socialism. Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy. Since acquiring and possessing property is a natural right, that means we have a mixed-market economy - capitalism and socialism.

better management could have engendered a better standard of living.

 

[danielpalos]

socialism: ideas so good they have to be mandatory!

Ten simple Commandments from a God not the Expense of social Government!

 

[edward37]

Boo hoo boo hoo Now we have the greatest threat to the American way ever seen in our WH Good work Laugh while your king says he can do anything he wants

You don't understand, nothing could hurt the country more than what this animal named Trump is doing. Anything, yes, ANYTHING is better.

And he's doing a great job of threatening "the American way," Comrades. It's just fucking awful ... for bitter commie BITCHES like you:

Job Growth Underscores Economy’s Vigor; Unemployment at Half-Century Low

A nicely and sustainably expanding economy (which has raised all ships) with low inflation.

Historically low unemployment (especially amongst our minorities) with rising wages and disposable income.

A strong dollar and investment markets.

A righting of what had been a listing (left) USSC.

Repeated exposure of our self-serving swamp and the nefarious players within it, including but not limited to our MSM/DNC and high-ranking mutts at both our DOJ & FBI.

No wonder you bitter, bitter leftards are so hysterical. Anything good for America and Americans you consider to be bad.


Thank you Mr Prez and MAGA, baby!!

As your ilk was want to do under Obama No mater how high employment and our markets rose ,no matter how low our unemployment sunk you bashed the hell out of him And you still can't give him a little credit for handing over a good economy to the AH in our WH now

 

[LeftofLeft]

Socialism fails when it dominates over Capitalism. Socialism necessarily kills off the Middle Class. Socialism locks in a true 1 percent elite while the rest are simply , “ the masses.”

 

[SAYIT]

And saddled gullible students with $1.T in student loans basically owned by the Federal Government which can't be discharged in bankruptcy - turning them into Debt Serfs for Life? They can thank Obama for their shackles.

Sure if you count going to school and school programs... LOL

Making tech training more readily available has been part of Trump's plan to MAGA and nearly 1 mil spots have been created for those who neither want the 4 yr college plan nor the debt burden.

 

[rightwinger]

What failed Venezuela was petrocorruption

Same corruption that would have happened under capitalism

 

[BlindBoo]

You defend Venezuela because it reflects poorly on what you would do to the US.

Because I oppose our anti democratic interventionism doesn't mean I support any strong arm dictator, right or left.

"In Venezuela itself, the U.S. gave its tacit approval of a coup attempt against Maduro’s predecessor Hugo Chavez in 2002. Declassified CIA intelligence briefings show that the George W. Bush Administration had prior knowledge of the opposition’s plans and did not share their information with Chavez. He was deposed for less than 48 hours until overwhelming popular support and loyalists in the military helped return him to power."

Why Venezuela Revives Historical Tensions Over U.S. Intervention in Latin America

But tell me how Social Security and National Health Care will turn us into Venezuela again?

 

[SAYIT]

Boo hoo boo hoo Now we have the greatest threat to the American way ever seen in our WH Good work Laugh while your king says he can do anything he wants

You don't understand, nothing could hurt the country more than what this animal named Trump is doing. Anything, yes, ANYTHING is better.

And he's doing a great job of threatening "the American way," Comrades. It's just fucking awful ... for bitter commie BITCHES like you:

Job Growth Underscores Economy’s Vigor; Unemployment at Half-Century Low

A nicely and sustainably expanding economy (which has raised all ships) with low inflation.

Historically low unemployment (especially amongst our minorities) with rising wages and disposable income.

A strong dollar and investment markets.

A righting of what had been a listing (left) USSC.

Repeated exposure of our self-serving swamp and the nefarious players within it, including but not limited to our MSM/DNC and high-ranking mutts at both our DOJ & FBI.

No wonder you bitter, bitter leftards are so hysterical. Anything good for America and Americans you consider to be bad.


Thank you Mr Prez and MAGA, baby!!

As your ilk was want to do under Obama No mater how high employment and our markets rose ,no matter how low our unemployment sunk you bashed the hell out of him And you still can't give him a little credit for handing over a good economy to the AH in our WH now

Up until Obamacare I thought he was a pretty good POTUS and am still proud that so many Americans could look beyond his skin tone and vote for him. That said, there was indeed far too much racism in the criticism he and his fam took.

The point you assiduously avoided is that you bitter leftards would much rather the US crash & burn than succeed & prosper with Trump as POTUS.

In my book that makes you traitors … every one of you.

 

[badger2]

Middle class disappearance in California with shitting in the streets is why dems are so close to socialism. The disappearing middle tine of the blivet is duh's poster child, though it's not dominating over capitalism in Cali. Capitalism does not have a problem with creating another, custom axiomatic just for the shitters, because unlike an axiomatic, capitalism has no code.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism fails when it dominates over Capitalism. Socialism necessarily kills off the Middle Class. Socialism locks in a true 1 percent elite while the rest are simply , “ the masses.”

where do you guys get your propaganda and rhetoric? socialism fails because it requires social morals for free not a capital profit motive.

raising the minimum wage and health care reform can help the least wealthy afford our first world economy.

 

[danielpalos]

And saddled gullible students with $1.T in student loans basically owned by the Federal Government which can't be discharged in bankruptcy - turning them into Debt Serfs for Life? They can thank Obama for their shackles.

Sure if you count going to school and school programs... LOL

Making tech training more readily available has been part of Trump's plan to MAGA and nearly 1 mil spots have been created for those who neither want the 4 yr college plan nor the debt burden.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed is more market friendly and let's potential market participants, be more market friendly.

 

[SAYIT]

You defend Venezuela because it reflects poorly on what you would do to the US.

Because I oppose our anti democratic interventionism doesn't mean I support any strong arm dictator, right or left.

"In Venezuela itself, the U.S. gave its tacit approval of a coup attempt against Maduro’s predecessor Hugo Chavez in 2002. Declassified CIA intelligence briefings show that the George W. Bush Administration had prior knowledge of the opposition’s plans and did not share their information with Chavez. He was deposed for less than 48 hours until overwhelming popular support and loyalists in the military helped return him to power."

Why Venezuela Revives Historical Tensions Over U.S. Intervention in Latin America

But tell me how Social Security and National Health Care will turn us into Venezuela again?

I didn't say you defend any strong arm socialist dictator but rather that you refuse to admit what Venezuela's Prez has … that their socialist economic model has failed them.

And our current policy toward their regime - as misguided as I find it - played no part in the collapse of V's economy. Maduro was duly elected and the V's have the same right to make mistakes as any country without US meddling. They are adults … they can wallow in their misery or stand up and do something about it.

Either way it's not our biz to save them from themselves.

 

[danielpalos]

You defend Venezuela because it reflects poorly on what you would do to the US.

Because I oppose our anti democratic interventionism doesn't mean I support any strong arm dictator, right or left.

"In Venezuela itself, the U.S. gave its tacit approval of a coup attempt against Maduro’s predecessor Hugo Chavez in 2002. Declassified CIA intelligence briefings show that the George W. Bush Administration had prior knowledge of the opposition’s plans and did not share their information with Chavez. He was deposed for less than 48 hours until overwhelming popular support and loyalists in the military helped return him to power."

Why Venezuela Revives Historical Tensions Over U.S. Intervention in Latin America

But tell me how Social Security and National Health Care will turn us into Venezuela again?

If capitalism is so Good, why should we care what the rest of the world is doing as long a we are engaging them in Commerce?

 

[bripat9643]

So is that a "yes", you think the Dems want to emulate Venezuela?
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Ah, more post editing and taking things out of context.

Huh?

Just asking for clarity. It was a question, not a statement.

So what's the answer?
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Your question was a loaded question. It's leads. It doesn't deserve an answer.

This thread draws a very clear connection between the Democrats, Venezuela, and socialism.

My question is precisely on point. It couldn't possibly be more on point.

You just don't want to answer it.

That's okay. I don't expect straight answers here.
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What in the hell are you talking about? There is no government ownership of production in Venezuela.

A socialist party is running Venezuela. They are failing, hard. And they are a bunch of fascists as socialists always are.

Honestly, get the basics correct before making a point. And yes, the socialists in USA are talking about nationalizing the health care industry for example, even there you are wrong.

Sure there is. The government expropriated the oil companies, among others.

 

[edward37]

Boo hoo boo hoo Now we have the greatest threat to the American way ever seen in our WH Good work Laugh while your king says he can do anything he wants

You don't understand, nothing could hurt the country more than what this animal named Trump is doing. Anything, yes, ANYTHING is better.

And he's doing a great job of threatening "the American way," Comrades. It's just fucking awful ... for bitter commie BITCHES like you:

Job Growth Underscores Economy’s Vigor; Unemployment at Half-Century Low

A nicely and sustainably expanding economy (which has raised all ships) with low inflation.

Historically low unemployment (especially amongst our minorities) with rising wages and disposable income.

A strong dollar and investment markets.

A righting of what had been a listing (left) USSC.

Repeated exposure of our self-serving swamp and the nefarious players within it, including but not limited to our MSM/DNC and high-ranking mutts at both our DOJ & FBI.

No wonder you bitter, bitter leftards are so hysterical. Anything good for America and Americans you consider to be bad.


Thank you Mr Prez and MAGA, baby!!

As your ilk was want to do under Obama No mater how high employment and our markets rose ,no matter how low our unemployment sunk you bashed the hell out of him And you still can't give him a little credit for handing over a good economy to the AH in our WH now

Up until Obamacare I thought he was a pretty good POTUS and am still proud that so many Americans could look beyond his skin tone and vote for him. That said, there was indeed far too much racism in the criticism he and his fam took.

The point you assiduously avoided is that you bitter leftards would much rather the US crash & burn than succeed & prosper with Trump as POTUS.

In my book that makes you traitors … every one of you.

I'm succeeding greatly with Trump as President ,,So much so I can't tell you how much cause you'd never believe it BUT most of what you say about his trials and tribulations I agree with fully except the part with Trump as potus I despise the man, his history, his children , and wish he wasn't there BTW I got along pretty well under Obama too so to me Trump isn't the cats ass

 

[SAYIT]

left wing minimum wage raises must increase market participation.

we have a Commerce Clause; failure at diplomacy should not be an option under federal policy.

we have no provision for excuses in our federal doctrine...

socializing costs is what socialism is Good for.

Politicians understand the diversity of diversification.

A commune of Heaven on Earth may merely require Pareto Optimalities.

I could have added even more but I think the point is clear enough ... DanielP is the tragic result of the human mind that wallows in leftardism.
Very sad.

Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be leftards.

 

[BlindBoo]

you refuse to admit what Venezuela's Prez does … that their socialist economic model has failed

No, their model has failed. Hasn't it been failing, or spiraling downward since they elected Chavez?

Maduro was duly elected and the V's have the same right to make mistakes as any country without US meddling.

Okay, I have no problem with that.

 

[SAYIT]

What in the hell are you talking about? There is no government ownership of production in Venezuela.

Sure there is. The government expropriated the oil companies, among others.

I believe Norman misspoke … that he meant to put a question mark after "Venezuela."

 

[Norman]

Ah, more post editing and taking things out of context.

Huh?

Just asking for clarity. It was a question, not a statement.

So what's the answer?
.

Your question was a loaded question. It's leads. It doesn't deserve an answer.

This thread draws a very clear connection between the Democrats, Venezuela, and socialism.

My question is precisely on point. It couldn't possibly be more on point.

You just don't want to answer it.

That's okay. I don't expect straight answers here.
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What in the hell are you talking about? There is no government ownership of production in Venezuela.

A socialist party is running Venezuela. They are failing, hard. And they are a bunch of fascists as socialists always are.

Honestly, get the basics correct before making a point. And yes, the socialists in USA are talking about nationalizing the health care industry for example, even there you are wrong.

Sure there is. The government expropriated the oil companies, among others.

Yes, well that there is in Scandinavia as well. The message reads as if Mac thinks everything is owned by government in Venezuela.