So, how many leftists will admit socialism failed Venezuela?

[bripat9643]

Yeah just like you said cops wouldn't pull over anyone with just a seat belt violation..


View attachment 265779

What are you babbling about now?

You guys always lie ... We give you an inch always takes a mile.


.

Bike wine? Nothing like every time Trump moves his lips. Breaking for you...the rich do not pay enough in taxes we have a flat tax system now if you count all taxes. Hillary was honest or at least not stupid.

How much is enough?

At the moment everyone is paying about 25 to 29% if you count all taxes. The rich should be paying at least 40%

I pay at least 40%, moron, and I'm not rich.

 

[Billy000]

The intrinsic flaw in Venezuela’s struggle is not
Socialism. It’s so pathetic how you ass hats cherry pick something like Venezuela but conveniently ignore the success of Norway, England, Denmark, S. Korea, Japan....Hell the US. The US is mixed economy. That makes it SOCIALIST.

Norway, England, Denmark, S. Korea, and Japan aren't any more socialist that the United States, shit for brains.

Franco says socialism is capitalism. Now you claim a mixed economy is socialism.

If the United States is already socialist, then why do you Trump hating commies keep saying we need to adopt socialism?

Socialism is not capitalism. If it is facilitated by a government, the type of economy itself is socialist in nature. What you aren’t getting is that socialism is a very broad term. Plain and simple, any institution that is funded by the people and utilized by the people is SOCIALISM. Our defense budget is the biggest socialist institution in the world. You do know the word social is in the word right? It has nothing to do with how authoritative a government is.

What we need to adopt, specifically, is social democratic principles which is what Bernie is suggesting. This doesn’t involve ending capitalism. It involves ensuring that we the people benefit from a free trade system and that democratic socialist programs like medicare, Medicare, social security, and tuition free college benefits the population.

You aren't listening closely enough. When told 150 million Americans have private health insurance through their employers and 68% consider it good or excellent, Bernie still insisted they must be forced to surrender their coverage for the common good.

For some odd reason all those "good" socialist policies always empower big, greasy central gov't at the expense of freedom.
Fuck him, fuck socialism, and

Oh yeah ... and have a nice day.

Lol I would love to see this poll because that sounds like complete bullshit. What is true that only 1 in 7 people with insurance through their employer do not have a deductible. This means most people choose not to have certain important medical procedures because they can’t afford them.

Higher health insurance deductibles a sickening trend for Americans

Well that's quite a conundrum you have there.
Employer insurance has no deductibles but your link says higher deductibles.

Obama care is high deductibles.

You people are so goddamn stupid. 6 out of 7 people with employer insurance have a deductible.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What are you babbling about now?

You guys always lie ... We give you an inch always takes a mile.


.

Bike wine? Nothing like every time Trump moves his lips. Breaking for you...the rich do not pay enough in taxes we have a flat tax system now if you count all taxes. Hillary was honest or at least not stupid.

How much is enough?

At the moment everyone is paying about 25 to 29% if you count all taxes. The rich should be paying at least 40%

And the mega Rich over 10 million 50%.

So you want mega rich to pay 50% in taxes and 150 million plus people to pay no federal tax....


How fair is that when anyone can vote?


.

 

[peach174]

Norway, England, Denmark, S. Korea, and Japan aren't any more socialist that the United States, shit for brains.

Franco says socialism is capitalism. Now you claim a mixed economy is socialism.

If the United States is already socialist, then why do you Trump hating commies keep saying we need to adopt socialism?

Socialism is not capitalism. If it is facilitated by a government, the type of economy itself is socialist in nature. What you aren’t getting is that socialism is a very broad term. Plain and simple, any institution that is funded by the people and utilized by the people is SOCIALISM. Our defense budget is the biggest socialist institution in the world. You do know the word social is in the word right? It has nothing to do with how authoritative a government is.

What we need to adopt, specifically, is social democratic principles which is what Bernie is suggesting. This doesn’t involve ending capitalism. It involves ensuring that we the people benefit from a free trade system and that democratic socialist programs like medicare, Medicare, social security, and tuition free college benefits the population.

You aren't listening closely enough. When told 150 million Americans have private health insurance through their employers and 68% consider it good or excellent, Bernie still insisted they must be forced to surrender their coverage for the common good.

For some odd reason all those "good" socialist policies always empower big, greasy central gov't at the expense of freedom.
Fuck him, fuck socialism, and

Oh yeah ... and have a nice day.

Lol I would love to see this poll because that sounds like complete bullshit. This means most people choose not to have certain important medical procedures because they can’t afford them.

Higher health insurance deductibles a sickening trend for Americans

Well that's quite a conundrum you have there.
Employer insurance has no deductibles but your link says higher deductibles.

Obama care is high deductibles.

You people are so goddamn stupid. 6 out of 7 people with employer insurance have a deductible.

Billy, look what you typed.
What is true that only 1 in 7 people with insurance through their employer do not have a deductible.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Norway, England, Denmark, S. Korea, and Japan aren't any more socialist that the United States, shit for brains.

Franco says socialism is capitalism. Now you claim a mixed economy is socialism.

If the United States is already socialist, then why do you Trump hating commies keep saying we need to adopt socialism?

Socialism is not capitalism. If it is facilitated by a government, the type of economy itself is socialist in nature. What you aren’t getting is that socialism is a very broad term. Plain and simple, any institution that is funded by the people and utilized by the people is SOCIALISM. Our defense budget is the biggest socialist institution in the world. You do know the word social is in the word right? It has nothing to do with how authoritative a government is.

What we need to adopt, specifically, is social democratic principles which is what Bernie is suggesting. This doesn’t involve ending capitalism. It involves ensuring that we the people benefit from a free trade system and that democratic socialist programs like medicare, Medicare, social security, and tuition free college benefits the population.

You aren't listening closely enough. When told 150 million Americans have private health insurance through their employers and 68% consider it good or excellent, Bernie still insisted they must be forced to surrender their coverage for the common good.

For some odd reason all those "good" socialist policies always empower big, greasy central gov't at the expense of freedom.
Fuck him, fuck socialism, and

Oh yeah ... and have a nice day.

Lol I would love to see this poll because that sounds like complete bullshit. What is true that only 1 in 7 people with insurance through their employer do not have a deductible. This means most people choose not to have certain important medical procedures because they can’t afford them.

Higher health insurance deductibles a sickening trend for Americans

Well that's quite a conundrum you have there.
Employer insurance has no deductibles but your link says higher deductibles.

Obama care is high deductibles.

You people are so goddamn stupid. 6 out of 7 people with employer insurance have a deductible.

noun. The definition ofconundrum is a situation where there is no clear right answer or no good solution. An example of a conundrum is a challenging riddle to which you can't figure out the answer.

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[francoHFW]

Socialism is not capitalism. If it is facilitated by a government, the type of economy itself is socialist in nature. What you aren’t getting is that socialism is a very broad term. Plain and simple, any institution that is funded by the people and utilized by the people is SOCIALISM. Our defense budget is the biggest socialist institution in the world. You do know the word social is in the word right? It has nothing to do with how authoritative a government is.

What we need to adopt, specifically, is social democratic principles which is what Bernie is suggesting. This doesn’t involve ending capitalism. It involves ensuring that we the people benefit from a free trade system and that democratic socialist programs like medicare, Medicare, social security, and tuition free college benefits the population.

You aren't listening closely enough. When told 150 million Americans have private health insurance through their employers and 68% consider it good or excellent, Bernie still insisted they must be forced to surrender their coverage for the common good.

For some odd reason all those "good" socialist policies always empower big, greasy central gov't at the expense of freedom.
Fuck him, fuck socialism, and

Oh yeah ... and have a nice day.

Lol I would love to see this poll because that sounds like complete bullshit. What is true that only 1 in 7 people with insurance through their employer do not have a deductible. This means most people choose not to have certain important medical procedures because they can’t afford them.

Higher health insurance deductibles a sickening trend for Americans

Obama care made deductibles higher you stupid fuck


.

Go after the costs instead of just talking about it then, brainwashed functional moron.

Hoping old people just die is not an option, all you guys do is suck 90% of the health insurance money to live a few days longer .

Obamacare has measures to fight that, including counseling and hospice care.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I saw a Democrat get booed at a Democrat rally for saying socialism wasn't the answer.

Of course everyone is talking about socialism as Democratic socialism. ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC FAIR CAPITALISM WITH A GOOD SAFETY NET. END OF STORY. LIKE THE SOCIALIST PARTIES IN FRANCE AND GERMANY AND SCANDINAVIA AND HOLLAND. THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING PEOPLES ARE CAPITALIST RUNNING DOGS IN COMPARISON, BUT YOU'RE LEARNING. AS CHARLES DE GAULLE WOULD SAY.

If Democrats weren't socialist, Bernie Sanders and AOC wouldn't popular. Bernie, a full on socialist, might be elected by Democrats.

Democrats be like... I'm not a socialist, I just like socialism and vote for socialist...

AOC will slowly go to the Social Democratic side of things as she ages. Bernie isn't a Democrat and never has been. If he were to win the nomination as a Democrat it would be as bazaar as Trump winning the Republican Nomination. Hell does freeze over sometimes I guess.

The fact they are popular should trouble old school Democrats. The Democrat party has become socialist. I hear them speak all the time. They want to flood America with people who hate it, collapse it, and take it over. All while punishing white people they blame everything wrong on.

They? You don't listen the "They" Thenews you listen to only present the "They" that "They" want you to hear. In the Real Workd, "They", meaning Me and others like me aren't pushing Sociialism at all. We do push for a misture of Capitalism and Socio Democracy. But, most of all, we are in favor of a Federal Republic. What we are against is what trashes MOST Governments and that is corruption. And we have that in the US just as much as anywhere else in the World. And it's on both sides of the Aisle.

There are some things that we want that you don't but it doesn't make us socialists.

Universal Healthcare. Sometimes called Medicare for All. Not controlled by just the Government but also overseen by the Doctors. Kicking the HMOs and the Insurance companies to the curb. I am sure you are aware that the US cost of Health Care is the absolute highest cost in the world right now and has been for decades. And it has never been the best. The reason this hasn't been done is that there is hundreds of millions spent on Lobbying every year so that the fringes (HMOs and Insurance) can keep raking in the billions. That's right, Billions, not thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions. The cost savings by channeling the money sent to the HMOs and Insurance Companies being sent directly to the health providers will pay for the system. But I am not talking about doing all this for free. I am retired on SSI and also Tricare. My Medicare Part B costs me 135 a month (last year it cost 105) and my Tricare (2nd payer) costs me a deductible of 175 a year. But I primarily use the VA. But when the VA is not available (it isn't always like me going for cataract surgery) I use the two together that covers most of it. The VA drug their feet. If I had waited for them to get it done I would have been legally blind by that time. Most people are NOT that lucky to have that option and only have Medicare (80%) with it's 135 buck monthly premium and whatever a supplemental would cost which is usually even higher than Medicare Part B. Medicare is NOT free.

Pharmaceutical Companies. Why is the US paying the highest cost for medicine in the World? In Diabetic Medicine, why are we paying 10 to 100 times what the same medicine in other countries cost with just a different label? And that isn't the only life threatening medicines that comes under that category. Make it criminal to do this type of practice. If a company wants to play this game, take their right to have the patent and make it public domain so other companies can manufacture and distribute it. It can be done under the Sherman Anti Trust Act. Don't allow them to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to prevent this. Make it illegal to lobby like that. And make it illegal for our "Lawmakers" to accept those funds for anything including campaign contributions. WE can do this with a mixture of the Executive Branch and a panel of Doctor Controlled Panels which is appointed by the Medical Community themselves.

Education. Free Community Colleges. Again, not really free but low cost. Let's say, Free Tuition. But the other costs will still be there. And the States can pick up most of that cost. Since the States will be picking up the lions share of the benefits from the graduates they should pay the most for the tuition costs. If a state decides they don't want to do this, they don't have to. But enough states will opt in I have a feeling that most or all will end up doing it. I don't see Alabama doing it though. They seem to like having uneducated people for their low paying jobs but in 10 years, those jobs will be gone anyway to automation. Same goes for Kindergarten. Even Kansas has free Kindergarten and you don't get much Redder than that. The Education benefits are fantastic. But don't change the Universities and for pay upper level colleges.

Mining and Manufacture of Rare Earths and such. Right now, China is the main miner and manufacturer of items like this. You would think they have the most raw resources. They don't. The US has even more. But it's done on such a small scale because it's expensive to do cleanly. It's not expensive to mine, it's expensive to process. We have thousands of square miles in the west with absolutely nothing to destroy that we can used to process these raw materials. And we can come up with ways to do it much cleaner than China as well. Comon, it's the friggin 21st century. The US can invest in this technology and get things rolling. These rare earths and such are used in all sorts of things like computers, TVs, cars, and even Toasters. Invest in the future.

Notice, I took a couple or three from the New Green Deal without taking the whole thing. The New Green Deal is a concept only. It's something that might come true in 100 years or more. But parts of it can be done today. We should take those parts and do them rather than throw the whole thing out.

What's funny, if you present the above items to most Republicans you will get a positive response on them as well. It ain't rocket science. It's common sense. Changes are coming and as changes happen we have to adapt. There are those of us that are Progressive Fiscal Conservatives that think like Republicans did back in the Eisenhower days before the Spend, Spend, Spend Spend Dems and Reps seized both parties.

So when you say "They" you aren't talking about the Majority of either the Democrats nor the Republicans. They "They" you are talking about are .......hell, I don't know who they are.

 

[francoHFW]

What are you babbling about now?

You guys always lie ... We give you an inch always takes a mile.


.

Bike wine? Nothing like every time Trump moves his lips. Breaking for you...the rich do not pay enough in taxes we have a flat tax system now if you count all taxes. Hillary was honest or at least not stupid.

How much is enough?

At the moment everyone is paying about 25 to 29% if you count all taxes. The rich should be paying at least 40%

I pay at least 40%, moron, and I'm not rich.

Democrats also want to cut taxes on the non rich.

 

[francoHFW]

You guys always lie ... We give you an inch always takes a mile.


.

Bike wine? Nothing like every time Trump moves his lips. Breaking for you...the rich do not pay enough in taxes we have a flat tax system now if you count all taxes. Hillary was honest or at least not stupid.

How much is enough?

At the moment everyone is paying about 25 to 29% if you count all taxes. The rich should be paying at least 40%

And the mega Rich over 10 million 50%.

So you want mega rich to pay 50% in taxes and 150 million plus people to pay no federal tax....


How fair is that when anyone can vote?


.

Those 150 million pay as much in payroll taxes as the Rich do in income taxes... I know you're brainwashed to only speak about federal income taxes....and they pay about twice as much percentage wise in state and local taxes as the rich do.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Bike wine? Nothing like every time Trump moves his lips. Breaking for you...the rich do not pay enough in taxes we have a flat tax system now if you count all taxes. Hillary was honest or at least not stupid.

How much is enough?

At the moment everyone is paying about 25 to 29% if you count all taxes. The rich should be paying at least 40%

And the mega Rich over 10 million 50%.

So you want mega rich to pay 50% in taxes and 150 million plus people to pay no federal tax....


How fair is that when anyone can vote?


.

Those 150 million pay as much in payroll taxes as the Rich do in income taxes... I know you're brainwashed to only speak about federal income taxes....and they pay about twice as much percentage wise in state and local taxes as the rich do.

Once again don't vote for Democrats on a state or local level, all you get is your local dog catcher driving a Porsche.

.

 

[Meathead]

Oh Jesus Christ. Thanks for confirming this Monmouth University poll NBC Polling Data Shows Sanders Voters Are 'Low Information' And Sanders Voters AREN'T Happy

Social programs are different from socialism, believe it or not. I know that because many of the letters match in the same order between the two words, so it may get a little confusing for you...but there is a difference. The Nordic nations and United States are all capitalistic countries, much different to what sanders advocates for which is the government owning/control production of entire industries. Sanders may advocate for larger social programs, but he also advocates for government owning production of industries. Venezuela, USSR, and countless other South American experiments as example, were all socialist countries that failed. The failed like they do

Every

Single

Time
a narcissist comes into power who thinks they know how to properly manipulate and incredibly complex and ever evolving system like a market.

Another idiot conservative who thinks he knows who I am and what I'm thinking. Not one of you has come close, and you're so off base you're a joke.

I wouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders if he were the ONLY candidate running, assuming of course I was an American and could vote. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is an opportunistic asshole who wants the Dems organization and war chest for an independent run at the Presidency.

I am well aware of WHAT socialism is, and the definition YOU'RE applying is not the mixed economy that Sanders, and the other "socialist" candidates are calling for. They're calling for an economy that rewards the workers as well as the capitalists, like it did BEFORE Reagan tilted the tax code so that the wealthy were the ONLY beneficiaries of growth and higher profits. Before he gutted the anti-trust legislation leading to behemouth companies and mega-billionaires and the wages for working Americans, as a percentage of GDP, not seen since the 1800's.

The people want BETTER schools, not bigger bombs. They want health care for ALL. They want roads and bridges that aren't collapsing and falling apart. They want fair wages, not crumbs to be fought over in "right to work" states.

You're a fat socialist woman who thinks others should pay for you. See, we know.

Once again an idiot conservative gets it WRONG on all counts. I am neither fat, nor a socialist. I live on my own, both financially and socially, and I will continue to do so as long as possible. I dread the day when I can't take care of my own self, and live in my own home. I have a small business which allows me to earn a lovely little income while writing off 1/3 of my housing costs, phone, internet, travel, and much of my clothing expenses. Capitalism at its finest.

So, no, I'm not a "fat socialist woman who expects others to look after". I'm a tanned fit woman who still fits into her 35 year old wedding dress, who still swims a kilometer, three times a week, and is dating a man 12 years my junior.

Yeah. Well I'm a billionaire and my gf is hotter than Melania and I'm sorry but I don't do fat chicks. Keep trying.

 

[francoHFW]

How much is enough?

At the moment everyone is paying about 25 to 29% if you count all taxes. The rich should be paying at least 40%

And the mega Rich over 10 million 50%.

So you want mega rich to pay 50% in taxes and 150 million plus people to pay no federal tax....


How fair is that when anyone can vote?


.

Those 150 million pay as much in payroll taxes as the Rich do in income taxes... I know you're brainwashed to only speak about federal income taxes....and they pay about twice as much percentage wise in state and local taxes as the rich do.

Once again don't vote for Democrats on a state or local level, all you get is your local dog catcher driving a Porsche.

.

When you got nothing go with that.... Your sympathy for the rich and not for the poor is noted.Meanwhile your Heroes cheat the hell out of you.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

I saw a Democrat get booed at a Democrat rally for saying socialism wasn't the answer.

Of course everyone is talking about socialism as Democratic socialism. ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC FAIR CAPITALISM WITH A GOOD SAFETY NET. END OF STORY. LIKE THE SOCIALIST PARTIES IN FRANCE AND GERMANY AND SCANDINAVIA AND HOLLAND. THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING PEOPLES ARE CAPITALIST RUNNING DOGS IN COMPARISON, BUT YOU'RE LEARNING. AS CHARLES DE GAULLE WOULD SAY.

If Democrats weren't socialist, Bernie Sanders and AOC wouldn't popular. Bernie, a full on socialist, might be elected by Democrats.

Democrats be like... I'm not a socialist, I just like socialism and vote for socialist...

AOC will slowly go to the Social Democratic side of things as she ages. Bernie isn't a Democrat and never has been. If he were to win the nomination as a Democrat it would be as bazaar as Trump winning the Republican Nomination. Hell does freeze over sometimes I guess.

The fact they are popular should trouble old school Democrats. The Democrat party has become socialist. I hear them speak all the time. They want to flood America with people who hate it, collapse it, and take it over. All while punishing white people they blame everything wrong on.

They? You don't listen the "They" Thenews you listen to only present the "They" that "They" want you to hear. In the Real Workd, "They", meaning Me and others like me aren't pushing Sociialism at all. We do push for a misture of Capitalism and Socio Democracy. But, most of all, we are in favor of a Federal Republic. What we are against is what trashes MOST Governments and that is corruption. And we have that in the US just as much as anywhere else in the World. And it's on both sides of the Aisle.

There are some things that we want that you don't but it doesn't make us socialists.

Universal Healthcare. Sometimes called Medicare for All. Not controlled by just the Government but also overseen by the Doctors. Kicking the HMOs and the Insurance companies to the curb. I am sure you are aware that the US cost of Health Care is the absolute highest cost in the world right now and has been for decades. And it has never been the best. The reason this hasn't been done is that there is hundreds of millions spent on Lobbying every year so that the fringes (HMOs and Insurance) can keep raking in the billions. That's right, Billions, not thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions. The cost savings by channeling the money sent to the HMOs and Insurance Companies being sent directly to the health providers will pay for the system. But I am not talking about doing all this for free. I am retired on SSI and also Tricare. My Medicare Part B costs me 135 a month (last year it cost 105) and my Tricare (2nd payer) costs me a deductible of 175 a year. But I primarily use the VA. But when the VA is not available (it isn't always like me going for cataract surgery) I use the two together that covers most of it. The VA drug their feet. If I had waited for them to get it done I would have been legally blind by that time. Most people are NOT that lucky to have that option and only have Medicare (80%) with it's 135 buck monthly premium and whatever a supplemental would cost which is usually even higher than Medicare Part B. Medicare is NOT free.

Pharmaceutical Companies. Why is the US paying the highest cost for medicine in the World? In Diabetic Medicine, why are we paying 10 to 100 times what the same medicine in other countries cost with just a different label? And that isn't the only life threatening medicines that comes under that category. Make it criminal to do this type of practice. If a company wants to play this game, take their right to have the patent and make it public domain so other companies can manufacture and distribute it. It can be done under the Sherman Anti Trust Act. Don't allow them to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to prevent this. Make it illegal to lobby like that. And make it illegal for our "Lawmakers" to accept those funds for anything including campaign contributions. WE can do this with a mixture of the Executive Branch and a panel of Doctor Controlled Panels which is appointed by the Medical Community themselves.

Education. Free Community Colleges. Again, not really free but low cost. Let's say, Free Tuition. But the other costs will still be there. And the States can pick up most of that cost. Since the States will be picking up the lions share of the benefits from the graduates they should pay the most for the tuition costs. If a state decides they don't want to do this, they don't have to. But enough states will opt in I have a feeling that most or all will end up doing it. I don't see Alabama doing it though. They seem to like having uneducated people for their low paying jobs but in 10 years, those jobs will be gone anyway to automation. Same goes for Kindergarten. Even Kansas has free Kindergarten and you don't get much Redder than that. The Education benefits are fantastic. But don't change the Universities and for pay upper level colleges.

Mining and Manufacture of Rare Earths and such. Right now, China is the main miner and manufacturer of items like this. You would think they have the most raw resources. They don't. The US has even more. But it's done on such a small scale because it's expensive to do cleanly. It's not expensive to mine, it's expensive to process. We have thousands of square miles in the west with absolutely nothing to destroy that we can used to process these raw materials. And we can come up with ways to do it much cleaner than China as well. Comon, it's the friggin 21st century. The US can invest in this technology and get things rolling. These rare earths and such are used in all sorts of things like computers, TVs, cars, and even Toasters. Invest in the future.

Notice, I took a couple or three from the New Green Deal without taking the whole thing. The New Green Deal is a concept only. It's something that might come true in 100 years or more. But parts of it can be done today. We should take those parts and do them rather than throw the whole thing out.

What's funny, if you present the above items to most Republicans you will get a positive response on them as well. It ain't rocket science. It's common sense. Changes are coming and as changes happen we have to adapt. There are those of us that are Progressive Fiscal Conservatives that think like Republicans did back in the Eisenhower days before the Spend, Spend, Spend Spend Dems and Reps seized both parties.

So when you say "They" you aren't talking about the Majority of either the Democrats nor the Republicans. They "They" you are talking about are .......hell, I don't know who they are.

When I said they, I was referring to Bernie and AOC. Not some mystical they. Old school Democrats should be worried "they" are popular.

 

[francoHFW]

Of course everyone is talking about socialism as Democratic socialism. ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC FAIR CAPITALISM WITH A GOOD SAFETY NET. END OF STORY. LIKE THE SOCIALIST PARTIES IN FRANCE AND GERMANY AND SCANDINAVIA AND HOLLAND. THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING PEOPLES ARE CAPITALIST RUNNING DOGS IN COMPARISON, BUT YOU'RE LEARNING. AS CHARLES DE GAULLE WOULD SAY.

If Democrats weren't socialist, Bernie Sanders and AOC wouldn't popular. Bernie, a full on socialist, might be elected by Democrats.

Democrats be like... I'm not a socialist, I just like socialism and vote for socialist...

AOC will slowly go to the Social Democratic side of things as she ages. Bernie isn't a Democrat and never has been. If he were to win the nomination as a Democrat it would be as bazaar as Trump winning the Republican Nomination. Hell does freeze over sometimes I guess.

The fact they are popular should trouble old school Democrats. The Democrat party has become socialist. I hear them speak all the time. They want to flood America with people who hate it, collapse it, and take it over. All while punishing white people they blame everything wrong on.

They? You don't listen the "They" Thenews you listen to only present the "They" that "They" want you to hear. In the Real Workd, "They", meaning Me and others like me aren't pushing Sociialism at all. We do push for a misture of Capitalism and Socio Democracy. But, most of all, we are in favor of a Federal Republic. What we are against is what trashes MOST Governments and that is corruption. And we have that in the US just as much as anywhere else in the World. And it's on both sides of the Aisle.

There are some things that we want that you don't but it doesn't make us socialists.

Universal Healthcare. Sometimes called Medicare for All. Not controlled by just the Government but also overseen by the Doctors. Kicking the HMOs and the Insurance companies to the curb. I am sure you are aware that the US cost of Health Care is the absolute highest cost in the world right now and has been for decades. And it has never been the best. The reason this hasn't been done is that there is hundreds of millions spent on Lobbying every year so that the fringes (HMOs and Insurance) can keep raking in the billions. That's right, Billions, not thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions. The cost savings by channeling the money sent to the HMOs and Insurance Companies being sent directly to the health providers will pay for the system. But I am not talking about doing all this for free. I am retired on SSI and also Tricare. My Medicare Part B costs me 135 a month (last year it cost 105) and my Tricare (2nd payer) costs me a deductible of 175 a year. But I primarily use the VA. But when the VA is not available (it isn't always like me going for cataract surgery) I use the two together that covers most of it. The VA drug their feet. If I had waited for them to get it done I would have been legally blind by that time. Most people are NOT that lucky to have that option and only have Medicare (80%) with it's 135 buck monthly premium and whatever a supplemental would cost which is usually even higher than Medicare Part B. Medicare is NOT free.

Pharmaceutical Companies. Why is the US paying the highest cost for medicine in the World? In Diabetic Medicine, why are we paying 10 to 100 times what the same medicine in other countries cost with just a different label? And that isn't the only life threatening medicines that comes under that category. Make it criminal to do this type of practice. If a company wants to play this game, take their right to have the patent and make it public domain so other companies can manufacture and distribute it. It can be done under the Sherman Anti Trust Act. Don't allow them to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to prevent this. Make it illegal to lobby like that. And make it illegal for our "Lawmakers" to accept those funds for anything including campaign contributions. WE can do this with a mixture of the Executive Branch and a panel of Doctor Controlled Panels which is appointed by the Medical Community themselves.

Education. Free Community Colleges. Again, not really free but low cost. Let's say, Free Tuition. But the other costs will still be there. And the States can pick up most of that cost. Since the States will be picking up the lions share of the benefits from the graduates they should pay the most for the tuition costs. If a state decides they don't want to do this, they don't have to. But enough states will opt in I have a feeling that most or all will end up doing it. I don't see Alabama doing it though. They seem to like having uneducated people for their low paying jobs but in 10 years, those jobs will be gone anyway to automation. Same goes for Kindergarten. Even Kansas has free Kindergarten and you don't get much Redder than that. The Education benefits are fantastic. But don't change the Universities and for pay upper level colleges.

Mining and Manufacture of Rare Earths and such. Right now, China is the main miner and manufacturer of items like this. You would think they have the most raw resources. They don't. The US has even more. But it's done on such a small scale because it's expensive to do cleanly. It's not expensive to mine, it's expensive to process. We have thousands of square miles in the west with absolutely nothing to destroy that we can used to process these raw materials. And we can come up with ways to do it much cleaner than China as well. Comon, it's the friggin 21st century. The US can invest in this technology and get things rolling. These rare earths and such are used in all sorts of things like computers, TVs, cars, and even Toasters. Invest in the future.

Notice, I took a couple or three from the New Green Deal without taking the whole thing. The New Green Deal is a concept only. It's something that might come true in 100 years or more. But parts of it can be done today. We should take those parts and do them rather than throw the whole thing out.

What's funny, if you present the above items to most Republicans you will get a positive response on them as well. It ain't rocket science. It's common sense. Changes are coming and as changes happen we have to adapt. There are those of us that are Progressive Fiscal Conservatives that think like Republicans did back in the Eisenhower days before the Spend, Spend, Spend Spend Dems and Reps seized both parties.

So when you say "They" you aren't talking about the Majority of either the Democrats nor the Republicans. They "They" you are talking about are .......hell, I don't know who they are.

When I said they, I was referring to Bernie and AOC. Not some mystical they. Old school Democrats should be worried "they" are popular.

Why? The only scary thing is the word socialism for brainwashed functional morons.

 

[Billy000]

Socialism is not capitalism. If it is facilitated by a government, the type of economy itself is socialist in nature. What you aren’t getting is that socialism is a very broad term. Plain and simple, any institution that is funded by the people and utilized by the people is SOCIALISM. Our defense budget is the biggest socialist institution in the world. You do know the word social is in the word right? It has nothing to do with how authoritative a government is.

What we need to adopt, specifically, is social democratic principles which is what Bernie is suggesting. This doesn’t involve ending capitalism. It involves ensuring that we the people benefit from a free trade system and that democratic socialist programs like medicare, Medicare, social security, and tuition free college benefits the population.

You aren't listening closely enough. When told 150 million Americans have private health insurance through their employers and 68% consider it good or excellent, Bernie still insisted they must be forced to surrender their coverage for the common good.

For some odd reason all those "good" socialist policies always empower big, greasy central gov't at the expense of freedom.
Fuck him, fuck socialism, and

Oh yeah ... and have a nice day.

Lol I would love to see this poll because that sounds like complete bullshit. This means most people choose not to have certain important medical procedures because they can’t afford them.

Higher health insurance deductibles a sickening trend for Americans

Well that's quite a conundrum you have there.
Employer insurance has no deductibles but your link says higher deductibles.

Obama care is high deductibles.

You people are so goddamn stupid. 6 out of 7 people with employer insurance have a deductible.

Billy, look what you typed.
What is true that only 1 in 7 people with insurance through their employer do not have a deductible.

Yeah those statements mean the same thing doofus. Do not have deductible=1/7 do have deductible=6/7

 

[TheGreatSatan]

If Democrats weren't socialist, Bernie Sanders and AOC wouldn't popular. Bernie, a full on socialist, might be elected by Democrats.

Democrats be like... I'm not a socialist, I just like socialism and vote for socialist...

AOC will slowly go to the Social Democratic side of things as she ages. Bernie isn't a Democrat and never has been. If he were to win the nomination as a Democrat it would be as bazaar as Trump winning the Republican Nomination. Hell does freeze over sometimes I guess.

The fact they are popular should trouble old school Democrats. The Democrat party has become socialist. I hear them speak all the time. They want to flood America with people who hate it, collapse it, and take it over. All while punishing white people they blame everything wrong on.

They? You don't listen the "They" Thenews you listen to only present the "They" that "They" want you to hear. In the Real Workd, "They", meaning Me and others like me aren't pushing Sociialism at all. We do push for a misture of Capitalism and Socio Democracy. But, most of all, we are in favor of a Federal Republic. What we are against is what trashes MOST Governments and that is corruption. And we have that in the US just as much as anywhere else in the World. And it's on both sides of the Aisle.

There are some things that we want that you don't but it doesn't make us socialists.

Universal Healthcare. Sometimes called Medicare for All. Not controlled by just the Government but also overseen by the Doctors. Kicking the HMOs and the Insurance companies to the curb. I am sure you are aware that the US cost of Health Care is the absolute highest cost in the world right now and has been for decades. And it has never been the best. The reason this hasn't been done is that there is hundreds of millions spent on Lobbying every year so that the fringes (HMOs and Insurance) can keep raking in the billions. That's right, Billions, not thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions. The cost savings by channeling the money sent to the HMOs and Insurance Companies being sent directly to the health providers will pay for the system. But I am not talking about doing all this for free. I am retired on SSI and also Tricare. My Medicare Part B costs me 135 a month (last year it cost 105) and my Tricare (2nd payer) costs me a deductible of 175 a year. But I primarily use the VA. But when the VA is not available (it isn't always like me going for cataract surgery) I use the two together that covers most of it. The VA drug their feet. If I had waited for them to get it done I would have been legally blind by that time. Most people are NOT that lucky to have that option and only have Medicare (80%) with it's 135 buck monthly premium and whatever a supplemental would cost which is usually even higher than Medicare Part B. Medicare is NOT free.

Pharmaceutical Companies. Why is the US paying the highest cost for medicine in the World? In Diabetic Medicine, why are we paying 10 to 100 times what the same medicine in other countries cost with just a different label? And that isn't the only life threatening medicines that comes under that category. Make it criminal to do this type of practice. If a company wants to play this game, take their right to have the patent and make it public domain so other companies can manufacture and distribute it. It can be done under the Sherman Anti Trust Act. Don't allow them to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to prevent this. Make it illegal to lobby like that. And make it illegal for our "Lawmakers" to accept those funds for anything including campaign contributions. WE can do this with a mixture of the Executive Branch and a panel of Doctor Controlled Panels which is appointed by the Medical Community themselves.

Education. Free Community Colleges. Again, not really free but low cost. Let's say, Free Tuition. But the other costs will still be there. And the States can pick up most of that cost. Since the States will be picking up the lions share of the benefits from the graduates they should pay the most for the tuition costs. If a state decides they don't want to do this, they don't have to. But enough states will opt in I have a feeling that most or all will end up doing it. I don't see Alabama doing it though. They seem to like having uneducated people for their low paying jobs but in 10 years, those jobs will be gone anyway to automation. Same goes for Kindergarten. Even Kansas has free Kindergarten and you don't get much Redder than that. The Education benefits are fantastic. But don't change the Universities and for pay upper level colleges.

Mining and Manufacture of Rare Earths and such. Right now, China is the main miner and manufacturer of items like this. You would think they have the most raw resources. They don't. The US has even more. But it's done on such a small scale because it's expensive to do cleanly. It's not expensive to mine, it's expensive to process. We have thousands of square miles in the west with absolutely nothing to destroy that we can used to process these raw materials. And we can come up with ways to do it much cleaner than China as well. Comon, it's the friggin 21st century. The US can invest in this technology and get things rolling. These rare earths and such are used in all sorts of things like computers, TVs, cars, and even Toasters. Invest in the future.

Notice, I took a couple or three from the New Green Deal without taking the whole thing. The New Green Deal is a concept only. It's something that might come true in 100 years or more. But parts of it can be done today. We should take those parts and do them rather than throw the whole thing out.

What's funny, if you present the above items to most Republicans you will get a positive response on them as well. It ain't rocket science. It's common sense. Changes are coming and as changes happen we have to adapt. There are those of us that are Progressive Fiscal Conservatives that think like Republicans did back in the Eisenhower days before the Spend, Spend, Spend Spend Dems and Reps seized both parties.

So when you say "They" you aren't talking about the Majority of either the Democrats nor the Republicans. They "They" you are talking about are .......hell, I don't know who they are.

When I said they, I was referring to Bernie and AOC. Not some mystical they. Old school Democrats should be worried "they" are popular.

Why? The only scary thing is the word socialism for brainwashed functional morons.

Like I said before. Socialism is just a stepping stone to communism. Taxes will go up until they are 100%. Democrats will tax the rich until there are none. The only virtue socialism has is making everyone equally miserable .

Can you imagine a Democrat saying government is to big? I can't.

Government is always the answer.

 

[francoHFW]

AOC will slowly go to the Social Democratic side of things as she ages. Bernie isn't a Democrat and never has been. If he were to win the nomination as a Democrat it would be as bazaar as Trump winning the Republican Nomination. Hell does freeze over sometimes I guess.

The fact they are popular should trouble old school Democrats. The Democrat party has become socialist. I hear them speak all the time. They want to flood America with people who hate it, collapse it, and take it over. All while punishing white people they blame everything wrong on.

They? You don't listen the "They" Thenews you listen to only present the "They" that "They" want you to hear. In the Real Workd, "They", meaning Me and others like me aren't pushing Sociialism at all. We do push for a misture of Capitalism and Socio Democracy. But, most of all, we are in favor of a Federal Republic. What we are against is what trashes MOST Governments and that is corruption. And we have that in the US just as much as anywhere else in the World. And it's on both sides of the Aisle.

There are some things that we want that you don't but it doesn't make us socialists.

Universal Healthcare. Sometimes called Medicare for All. Not controlled by just the Government but also overseen by the Doctors. Kicking the HMOs and the Insurance companies to the curb. I am sure you are aware that the US cost of Health Care is the absolute highest cost in the world right now and has been for decades. And it has never been the best. The reason this hasn't been done is that there is hundreds of millions spent on Lobbying every year so that the fringes (HMOs and Insurance) can keep raking in the billions. That's right, Billions, not thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions. The cost savings by channeling the money sent to the HMOs and Insurance Companies being sent directly to the health providers will pay for the system. But I am not talking about doing all this for free. I am retired on SSI and also Tricare. My Medicare Part B costs me 135 a month (last year it cost 105) and my Tricare (2nd payer) costs me a deductible of 175 a year. But I primarily use the VA. But when the VA is not available (it isn't always like me going for cataract surgery) I use the two together that covers most of it. The VA drug their feet. If I had waited for them to get it done I would have been legally blind by that time. Most people are NOT that lucky to have that option and only have Medicare (80%) with it's 135 buck monthly premium and whatever a supplemental would cost which is usually even higher than Medicare Part B. Medicare is NOT free.

Pharmaceutical Companies. Why is the US paying the highest cost for medicine in the World? In Diabetic Medicine, why are we paying 10 to 100 times what the same medicine in other countries cost with just a different label? And that isn't the only life threatening medicines that comes under that category. Make it criminal to do this type of practice. If a company wants to play this game, take their right to have the patent and make it public domain so other companies can manufacture and distribute it. It can be done under the Sherman Anti Trust Act. Don't allow them to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to prevent this. Make it illegal to lobby like that. And make it illegal for our "Lawmakers" to accept those funds for anything including campaign contributions. WE can do this with a mixture of the Executive Branch and a panel of Doctor Controlled Panels which is appointed by the Medical Community themselves.

Education. Free Community Colleges. Again, not really free but low cost. Let's say, Free Tuition. But the other costs will still be there. And the States can pick up most of that cost. Since the States will be picking up the lions share of the benefits from the graduates they should pay the most for the tuition costs. If a state decides they don't want to do this, they don't have to. But enough states will opt in I have a feeling that most or all will end up doing it. I don't see Alabama doing it though. They seem to like having uneducated people for their low paying jobs but in 10 years, those jobs will be gone anyway to automation. Same goes for Kindergarten. Even Kansas has free Kindergarten and you don't get much Redder than that. The Education benefits are fantastic. But don't change the Universities and for pay upper level colleges.

Mining and Manufacture of Rare Earths and such. Right now, China is the main miner and manufacturer of items like this. You would think they have the most raw resources. They don't. The US has even more. But it's done on such a small scale because it's expensive to do cleanly. It's not expensive to mine, it's expensive to process. We have thousands of square miles in the west with absolutely nothing to destroy that we can used to process these raw materials. And we can come up with ways to do it much cleaner than China as well. Comon, it's the friggin 21st century. The US can invest in this technology and get things rolling. These rare earths and such are used in all sorts of things like computers, TVs, cars, and even Toasters. Invest in the future.

Notice, I took a couple or three from the New Green Deal without taking the whole thing. The New Green Deal is a concept only. It's something that might come true in 100 years or more. But parts of it can be done today. We should take those parts and do them rather than throw the whole thing out.

What's funny, if you present the above items to most Republicans you will get a positive response on them as well. It ain't rocket science. It's common sense. Changes are coming and as changes happen we have to adapt. There are those of us that are Progressive Fiscal Conservatives that think like Republicans did back in the Eisenhower days before the Spend, Spend, Spend Spend Dems and Reps seized both parties.

So when you say "They" you aren't talking about the Majority of either the Democrats nor the Republicans. They "They" you are talking about are .......hell, I don't know who they are.

When I said they, I was referring to Bernie and AOC. Not some mystical they. Old school Democrats should be worried "they" are popular.

Why? The only scary thing is the word socialism for brainwashed functional morons.

Like I said before. Socialism is just a stepping stone to communism. Taxes will go up until they are 100%. Democrats will tax the rich until there are none. The only virtue socialism has is making everyone equally miserable .

Can you imagine a Democrat saying government is to big? I can't.

Government is always the answer.

Bologna. The GOP is the one who grows the government by leaps and bounds and the Democrats never have. Change the channel to look at the Democratic platform. Nothing like that has ever happened but the GOP have wrecked the economy and the world the last 35 years. Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[Rigby5]

AOC will slowly go to the Social Democratic side of things as she ages. Bernie isn't a Democrat and never has been. If he were to win the nomination as a Democrat it would be as bazaar as Trump winning the Republican Nomination. Hell does freeze over sometimes I guess.

The fact they are popular should trouble old school Democrats. The Democrat party has become socialist. I hear them speak all the time. They want to flood America with people who hate it, collapse it, and take it over. All while punishing white people they blame everything wrong on.

They? You don't listen the "They" Thenews you listen to only present the "They" that "They" want you to hear. In the Real Workd, "They", meaning Me and others like me aren't pushing Sociialism at all. We do push for a misture of Capitalism and Socio Democracy. But, most of all, we are in favor of a Federal Republic. What we are against is what trashes MOST Governments and that is corruption. And we have that in the US just as much as anywhere else in the World. And it's on both sides of the Aisle.

There are some things that we want that you don't but it doesn't make us socialists.

Universal Healthcare. Sometimes called Medicare for All. Not controlled by just the Government but also overseen by the Doctors. Kicking the HMOs and the Insurance companies to the curb. I am sure you are aware that the US cost of Health Care is the absolute highest cost in the world right now and has been for decades. And it has never been the best. The reason this hasn't been done is that there is hundreds of millions spent on Lobbying every year so that the fringes (HMOs and Insurance) can keep raking in the billions. That's right, Billions, not thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions. The cost savings by channeling the money sent to the HMOs and Insurance Companies being sent directly to the health providers will pay for the system. But I am not talking about doing all this for free. I am retired on SSI and also Tricare. My Medicare Part B costs me 135 a month (last year it cost 105) and my Tricare (2nd payer) costs me a deductible of 175 a year. But I primarily use the VA. But when the VA is not available (it isn't always like me going for cataract surgery) I use the two together that covers most of it. The VA drug their feet. If I had waited for them to get it done I would have been legally blind by that time. Most people are NOT that lucky to have that option and only have Medicare (80%) with it's 135 buck monthly premium and whatever a supplemental would cost which is usually even higher than Medicare Part B. Medicare is NOT free.

Pharmaceutical Companies. Why is the US paying the highest cost for medicine in the World? In Diabetic Medicine, why are we paying 10 to 100 times what the same medicine in other countries cost with just a different label? And that isn't the only life threatening medicines that comes under that category. Make it criminal to do this type of practice. If a company wants to play this game, take their right to have the patent and make it public domain so other companies can manufacture and distribute it. It can be done under the Sherman Anti Trust Act. Don't allow them to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to prevent this. Make it illegal to lobby like that. And make it illegal for our "Lawmakers" to accept those funds for anything including campaign contributions. WE can do this with a mixture of the Executive Branch and a panel of Doctor Controlled Panels which is appointed by the Medical Community themselves.

Education. Free Community Colleges. Again, not really free but low cost. Let's say, Free Tuition. But the other costs will still be there. And the States can pick up most of that cost. Since the States will be picking up the lions share of the benefits from the graduates they should pay the most for the tuition costs. If a state decides they don't want to do this, they don't have to. But enough states will opt in I have a feeling that most or all will end up doing it. I don't see Alabama doing it though. They seem to like having uneducated people for their low paying jobs but in 10 years, those jobs will be gone anyway to automation. Same goes for Kindergarten. Even Kansas has free Kindergarten and you don't get much Redder than that. The Education benefits are fantastic. But don't change the Universities and for pay upper level colleges.

Mining and Manufacture of Rare Earths and such. Right now, China is the main miner and manufacturer of items like this. You would think they have the most raw resources. They don't. The US has even more. But it's done on such a small scale because it's expensive to do cleanly. It's not expensive to mine, it's expensive to process. We have thousands of square miles in the west with absolutely nothing to destroy that we can used to process these raw materials. And we can come up with ways to do it much cleaner than China as well. Comon, it's the friggin 21st century. The US can invest in this technology and get things rolling. These rare earths and such are used in all sorts of things like computers, TVs, cars, and even Toasters. Invest in the future.

Notice, I took a couple or three from the New Green Deal without taking the whole thing. The New Green Deal is a concept only. It's something that might come true in 100 years or more. But parts of it can be done today. We should take those parts and do them rather than throw the whole thing out.

What's funny, if you present the above items to most Republicans you will get a positive response on them as well. It ain't rocket science. It's common sense. Changes are coming and as changes happen we have to adapt. There are those of us that are Progressive Fiscal Conservatives that think like Republicans did back in the Eisenhower days before the Spend, Spend, Spend Spend Dems and Reps seized both parties.

So when you say "They" you aren't talking about the Majority of either the Democrats nor the Republicans. They "They" you are talking about are .......hell, I don't know who they are.

When I said they, I was referring to Bernie and AOC. Not some mystical they. Old school Democrats should be worried "they" are popular.

Why? The only scary thing is the word socialism for brainwashed functional morons.

Like I said before. Socialism is just a stepping stone to communism. Taxes will go up until they are 100%. Democrats will tax the rich until there are none. The only virtue socialism has is making everyone equally miserable .

Can you imagine a Democrat saying government is to big? I can't.

Government is always the answer.

There are not a lot of socialist countries, and never ever been a communist one in the last 1000 years, but all socialist countries have lower expensive than we do. They pay about the same in taxes, but then do not have to pay out an additional $1200 a month for health insurance.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Of course everyone is talking about socialism as Democratic socialism. ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC FAIR CAPITALISM WITH A GOOD SAFETY NET. END OF STORY. LIKE THE SOCIALIST PARTIES IN FRANCE AND GERMANY AND SCANDINAVIA AND HOLLAND. THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING PEOPLES ARE CAPITALIST RUNNING DOGS IN COMPARISON, BUT YOU'RE LEARNING. AS CHARLES DE GAULLE WOULD SAY.

If Democrats weren't socialist, Bernie Sanders and AOC wouldn't popular. Bernie, a full on socialist, might be elected by Democrats.

Democrats be like... I'm not a socialist, I just like socialism and vote for socialist...

AOC will slowly go to the Social Democratic side of things as she ages. Bernie isn't a Democrat and never has been. If he were to win the nomination as a Democrat it would be as bazaar as Trump winning the Republican Nomination. Hell does freeze over sometimes I guess.

The fact they are popular should trouble old school Democrats. The Democrat party has become socialist. I hear them speak all the time. They want to flood America with people who hate it, collapse it, and take it over. All while punishing white people they blame everything wrong on.

They? You don't listen the "They" Thenews you listen to only present the "They" that "They" want you to hear. In the Real Workd, "They", meaning Me and others like me aren't pushing Sociialism at all. We do push for a misture of Capitalism and Socio Democracy. But, most of all, we are in favor of a Federal Republic. What we are against is what trashes MOST Governments and that is corruption. And we have that in the US just as much as anywhere else in the World. And it's on both sides of the Aisle.

There are some things that we want that you don't but it doesn't make us socialists.

Universal Healthcare. Sometimes called Medicare for All. Not controlled by just the Government but also overseen by the Doctors. Kicking the HMOs and the Insurance companies to the curb. I am sure you are aware that the US cost of Health Care is the absolute highest cost in the world right now and has been for decades. And it has never been the best. The reason this hasn't been done is that there is hundreds of millions spent on Lobbying every year so that the fringes (HMOs and Insurance) can keep raking in the billions. That's right, Billions, not thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions. The cost savings by channeling the money sent to the HMOs and Insurance Companies being sent directly to the health providers will pay for the system. But I am not talking about doing all this for free. I am retired on SSI and also Tricare. My Medicare Part B costs me 135 a month (last year it cost 105) and my Tricare (2nd payer) costs me a deductible of 175 a year. But I primarily use the VA. But when the VA is not available (it isn't always like me going for cataract surgery) I use the two together that covers most of it. The VA drug their feet. If I had waited for them to get it done I would have been legally blind by that time. Most people are NOT that lucky to have that option and only have Medicare (80%) with it's 135 buck monthly premium and whatever a supplemental would cost which is usually even higher than Medicare Part B. Medicare is NOT free.

Pharmaceutical Companies. Why is the US paying the highest cost for medicine in the World? In Diabetic Medicine, why are we paying 10 to 100 times what the same medicine in other countries cost with just a different label? And that isn't the only life threatening medicines that comes under that category. Make it criminal to do this type of practice. If a company wants to play this game, take their right to have the patent and make it public domain so other companies can manufacture and distribute it. It can be done under the Sherman Anti Trust Act. Don't allow them to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to prevent this. Make it illegal to lobby like that. And make it illegal for our "Lawmakers" to accept those funds for anything including campaign contributions. WE can do this with a mixture of the Executive Branch and a panel of Doctor Controlled Panels which is appointed by the Medical Community themselves.

Education. Free Community Colleges. Again, not really free but low cost. Let's say, Free Tuition. But the other costs will still be there. And the States can pick up most of that cost. Since the States will be picking up the lions share of the benefits from the graduates they should pay the most for the tuition costs. If a state decides they don't want to do this, they don't have to. But enough states will opt in I have a feeling that most or all will end up doing it. I don't see Alabama doing it though. They seem to like having uneducated people for their low paying jobs but in 10 years, those jobs will be gone anyway to automation. Same goes for Kindergarten. Even Kansas has free Kindergarten and you don't get much Redder than that. The Education benefits are fantastic. But don't change the Universities and for pay upper level colleges.

Mining and Manufacture of Rare Earths and such. Right now, China is the main miner and manufacturer of items like this. You would think they have the most raw resources. They don't. The US has even more. But it's done on such a small scale because it's expensive to do cleanly. It's not expensive to mine, it's expensive to process. We have thousands of square miles in the west with absolutely nothing to destroy that we can used to process these raw materials. And we can come up with ways to do it much cleaner than China as well. Comon, it's the friggin 21st century. The US can invest in this technology and get things rolling. These rare earths and such are used in all sorts of things like computers, TVs, cars, and even Toasters. Invest in the future.

Notice, I took a couple or three from the New Green Deal without taking the whole thing. The New Green Deal is a concept only. It's something that might come true in 100 years or more. But parts of it can be done today. We should take those parts and do them rather than throw the whole thing out.

What's funny, if you present the above items to most Republicans you will get a positive response on them as well. It ain't rocket science. It's common sense. Changes are coming and as changes happen we have to adapt. There are those of us that are Progressive Fiscal Conservatives that think like Republicans did back in the Eisenhower days before the Spend, Spend, Spend Spend Dems and Reps seized both parties.

So when you say "They" you aren't talking about the Majority of either the Democrats nor the Republicans. They "They" you are talking about are .......hell, I don't know who they are.

When I said they, I was referring to Bernie and AOC. Not some mystical they. Old school Democrats should be worried "they" are popular.

"They" ? There you go again. Speaking for these small number of people again like they are in charge. There is a wonder why Biden is leading. He IS old school. HE's the only old school that is running in the top 20 right now. He's not my pick of old school dems but the other old school dems won't make the cut in even the top 50 so the old school (the majority) will settle for Biden.

There are also old school Republicans as well that won't make even the top 100 cut that MOST Republicans would vote for but won't ever get the chance. Do you see a trend here?

"They"? Just who the hell are "They"?

 

[Rigby5]

If Democrats weren't socialist, Bernie Sanders and AOC wouldn't popular. Bernie, a full on socialist, might be elected by Democrats.

Democrats be like... I'm not a socialist, I just like socialism and vote for socialist...

AOC will slowly go to the Social Democratic side of things as she ages. Bernie isn't a Democrat and never has been. If he were to win the nomination as a Democrat it would be as bazaar as Trump winning the Republican Nomination. Hell does freeze over sometimes I guess.

The fact they are popular should trouble old school Democrats. The Democrat party has become socialist. I hear them speak all the time. They want to flood America with people who hate it, collapse it, and take it over. All while punishing white people they blame everything wrong on.

They? You don't listen the "They" Thenews you listen to only present the "They" that "They" want you to hear. In the Real Workd, "They", meaning Me and others like me aren't pushing Sociialism at all. We do push for a misture of Capitalism and Socio Democracy. But, most of all, we are in favor of a Federal Republic. What we are against is what trashes MOST Governments and that is corruption. And we have that in the US just as much as anywhere else in the World. And it's on both sides of the Aisle.

There are some things that we want that you don't but it doesn't make us socialists.

Universal Healthcare. Sometimes called Medicare for All. Not controlled by just the Government but also overseen by the Doctors. Kicking the HMOs and the Insurance companies to the curb. I am sure you are aware that the US cost of Health Care is the absolute highest cost in the world right now and has been for decades. And it has never been the best. The reason this hasn't been done is that there is hundreds of millions spent on Lobbying every year so that the fringes (HMOs and Insurance) can keep raking in the billions. That's right, Billions, not thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions. The cost savings by channeling the money sent to the HMOs and Insurance Companies being sent directly to the health providers will pay for the system. But I am not talking about doing all this for free. I am retired on SSI and also Tricare. My Medicare Part B costs me 135 a month (last year it cost 105) and my Tricare (2nd payer) costs me a deductible of 175 a year. But I primarily use the VA. But when the VA is not available (it isn't always like me going for cataract surgery) I use the two together that covers most of it. The VA drug their feet. If I had waited for them to get it done I would have been legally blind by that time. Most people are NOT that lucky to have that option and only have Medicare (80%) with it's 135 buck monthly premium and whatever a supplemental would cost which is usually even higher than Medicare Part B. Medicare is NOT free.

Pharmaceutical Companies. Why is the US paying the highest cost for medicine in the World? In Diabetic Medicine, why are we paying 10 to 100 times what the same medicine in other countries cost with just a different label? And that isn't the only life threatening medicines that comes under that category. Make it criminal to do this type of practice. If a company wants to play this game, take their right to have the patent and make it public domain so other companies can manufacture and distribute it. It can be done under the Sherman Anti Trust Act. Don't allow them to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to prevent this. Make it illegal to lobby like that. And make it illegal for our "Lawmakers" to accept those funds for anything including campaign contributions. WE can do this with a mixture of the Executive Branch and a panel of Doctor Controlled Panels which is appointed by the Medical Community themselves.

Education. Free Community Colleges. Again, not really free but low cost. Let's say, Free Tuition. But the other costs will still be there. And the States can pick up most of that cost. Since the States will be picking up the lions share of the benefits from the graduates they should pay the most for the tuition costs. If a state decides they don't want to do this, they don't have to. But enough states will opt in I have a feeling that most or all will end up doing it. I don't see Alabama doing it though. They seem to like having uneducated people for their low paying jobs but in 10 years, those jobs will be gone anyway to automation. Same goes for Kindergarten. Even Kansas has free Kindergarten and you don't get much Redder than that. The Education benefits are fantastic. But don't change the Universities and for pay upper level colleges.

Mining and Manufacture of Rare Earths and such. Right now, China is the main miner and manufacturer of items like this. You would think they have the most raw resources. They don't. The US has even more. But it's done on such a small scale because it's expensive to do cleanly. It's not expensive to mine, it's expensive to process. We have thousands of square miles in the west with absolutely nothing to destroy that we can used to process these raw materials. And we can come up with ways to do it much cleaner than China as well. Comon, it's the friggin 21st century. The US can invest in this technology and get things rolling. These rare earths and such are used in all sorts of things like computers, TVs, cars, and even Toasters. Invest in the future.

Notice, I took a couple or three from the New Green Deal without taking the whole thing. The New Green Deal is a concept only. It's something that might come true in 100 years or more. But parts of it can be done today. We should take those parts and do them rather than throw the whole thing out.

What's funny, if you present the above items to most Republicans you will get a positive response on them as well. It ain't rocket science. It's common sense. Changes are coming and as changes happen we have to adapt. There are those of us that are Progressive Fiscal Conservatives that think like Republicans did back in the Eisenhower days before the Spend, Spend, Spend Spend Dems and Reps seized both parties.

So when you say "They" you aren't talking about the Majority of either the Democrats nor the Republicans. They "They" you are talking about are .......hell, I don't know who they are.

When I said they, I was referring to Bernie and AOC. Not some mystical they. Old school Democrats should be worried "they" are popular.

"They" ? There you go again. Speaking for these small number of people again like they are in charge. There is a wonder why Biden is leading. He IS old school. HE's the only old school that is running in the top 20 right now. He's not my pick of old school dems but the other old school dems won't make the cut in even the top 50 so the old school (the majority) will settle for Biden.

There are also old school Republicans as well that won't make even the top 100 cut that MOST Republicans would vote for but won't ever get the chance. Do you see a trend here?

"They"? Just who the hell are "They"?

Actually, Bernie Sanders is fairly old school as well.
Back in the 1950s, almost no one had health insurance, and you could easily get free health care at any hospital if you were poor.
Things only started getting really ultra capitalists around 1993.