So, how many leftists will admit socialism failed Venezuela?

[danielpalos]

lousy management, does that.

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[Daryl Hunt]

What are the Dems pushing that makes us into Venezuela.?

Socialism timmy...Venezuela is just the latest failed left wing state to collapse in a long list of tragic left wing failures and they are all followed with cute little questions like yours.

When Capitalism fails, it usually ends up in a Gallows. It fails for exactly the same reasons. You seem to forget the ones that happened to. For instance, North Korea is where Capitalism is out of control. It's not socialism at all. It's a dynasty where one family member owns the entire country. The Modern World outgrew that hundreds of years ago when we sidelined the Kings. Russia is closer to a failed Capitalist Government where Putin is the king. Many times, Fascism masquerades as socialism.

In the Chavez days, it Venzuela was a Socialist country. He took over when the Capitalists system failed. He made promises and kept them. Of course, he kicked out the outside companies that controlled the country and sucked the life out of it. He nationalized the oil industry. Thsi was bade enough. It resulted in the US enacting some financial penalties. Then Chavez removed the country from the World Bank system that was controlled by the Dollar. . That was the straw that broke the camels back. The US lost all control at that point. The problem the US had with it was Chavez was truly loved. Chavez took a country that was in serious trouble and turned it into a fantastic economic powerhouse. You seem to forget that before Chavez, the country had over a 50 percent poverty rate. There was a HUGE gap between the rich and the poor. It's when the Capitalists get out of control. Chavez died but named Maduro as his Successor. Let's face it, Maduro isn't a pimple on Chavez's ass. And the US really went to town on the penalties. The US was joined in by Europe. It seems Europe was angry over Total and BP being shown the door as well. All of a sudden, Venzeula didn't have the market for the largest oil reserves in the world they once had. The country had only that one resource and it crashed hard. Even if it did have a Capitalist style in country control of the oil production it wouldn't matter. What the US and Europe demanded was that THEY have control of it and they demand that a Western Friendly (meaning crony) leader be installed.

Maduro has long since worn out his welcome though. He has long since moved from the Socialism of Chavez to the Dictatorship of Maduro.

 

[danielpalos]

That should be up to the People of Venezuela, not the US.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

That should be up to the People of Venezuela, not the US.

What you are seeing is when the Capitalists owned part of the US gets out of hand and goes after one tiny country because their greed is checked. Then when it's is allowed to continue past a certain point. You end up with a complete mess and the greed of the locals take over and don't know how to fight their way out of it. Meduro has turned into a Dictator. His days are finished. But the problem with any dictator, the only way to get rid of a dictator is for them to die either of natural or unnatural causes and hope to be replaced by a better system. Meduro is the end product of a failed Capitalist system and then where the failed Capitalist System destroys the very system that kicked it out in the first place. There are no right answers at this point, only a lot of wrong ones.

 

[Oldstyle]

Do you think the che guevera worshipers are able to admit that?

FDR had to save capitalism and we have had to bail out capitalism since then..Capitalism is a failure as an economic model..

How did FDR "save" capitalism? His New Deal policies are believed by many economists to have extended the Great Depression.

Capitalism has some faults...all systems do...but it's created more wealth and prosperity than any other system. How you can label THAT as failure is rather amusing!

 

[Moonglow]

Do you think the che guevera worshipers are able to admit that?

FDR had to save capitalism and we have had to bail out capitalism since then..Capitalism is a failure as an economic model..

How did FDR "save" capitalism? His New Deal policies are believed by many economists to have extended the Great Depression.

Capitalism has some faults...all systems do...but it's created more wealth and prosperity than any other system. How you can label THAT as failure is rather amusing!

He got the big boys together and told them how it was going to go down if they didn't cough up some dough to save the system, if not then revolutionary forces were already in place, especially after Hoover released MacArthur on the Hooterville resident veterans..
FDR along with taxes increased the chances of a great depression not hitting us again like it did so many times during the 1800's.

 

[Oldstyle]

Do you think the che guevera worshipers are able to admit that?

FDR had to save capitalism and we have had to bail out capitalism since then..Capitalism is a failure as an economic model..

How did FDR "save" capitalism? His New Deal policies are believed by many economists to have extended the Great Depression.

Capitalism has some faults...all systems do...but it's created more wealth and prosperity than any other system. How you can label THAT as failure is rather amusing!

He got the big boys together and told them how it was going to go down if they didn't cough up some dough to save the system, if not then revolutionary forces were already in place, especially after Hoover released MacArthur on the Hooterville resident veterans..
FDR along with taxes increased the chances of a great depression not hitting us again like it did so many times during the 1800's.

We had Great Depressions many times in the 1800's? Really, Moonie?

 

[Oldstyle]

Ah, so "taxes" are what keep us from having depressions? Now THAT is amusing!

 

[OklaSusie]

F*** you and the horse you rode in on, a******. People that want to improve this GOP mess are better citizens than you zombie brainwashed functional morons.anyway you need to be a billionaire or millionaire or doctor or married to a citizen to move. I tried, owned a bar in Spain you can't do it.

You mean that they have strict immigration laws? Imagine that? Think of how much money would be saved if we were not subsidizing a good portion of the 20 plus MILLION illegals that work under the table while collecting stipends and other amenities intended for the serfs with legal citizenship....not like you give a shit. Your ilk seems them as the future of the leftard clown posse party of sniveling commies.

The wall is stupid and only the Democrats have the solution or give a damn it seems. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with ID card and enforce it. End of problem. It is the GOP that gives them an open invitation to work here.

So amnesty, right, dumb ass? And that would ALSO end the subsidizing of them? Fucking moron, Franki....that's you.

Except for the criminals yes. They are all working, all the propaganda about illegals getting welfare and voting is pure baloney.

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Speaking of conspiracy theorists, Phillip Stallings was arrested. He's another nutjob, just like you.

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He founded the Christian flat earth society.

You conspiracy nutjobs are birds of a feather.

Dude, you are a fucking IDIOT! OF course they get stipends, subsidies and food stamps. Are you REALLY that fucking stupid???? They don't vote? Who is stopping them if they have legal residency by showing a utility bill? Like they can check every single person and whose to say that those with the power to prevent them from casting a ballot would use that authority. You are beyond naive. Why do you think that leftards don't want any part of a voter ID law???? Kinda hard to "vote early and often" with that rule in place.

 

[OklaSusie]

You mean that they have strict immigration laws? Imagine that? Think of how much money would be saved if we were not subsidizing a good portion of the 20 plus MILLION illegals that work under the table while collecting stipends and other amenities intended for the serfs with legal citizenship....not like you give a shit. Your ilk seems them as the future of the leftard clown posse party of sniveling commies.

The wall is stupid and only the Democrats have the solution or give a damn it seems. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with ID card and enforce it. End of problem. It is the GOP that gives them an open invitation to work here.

So amnesty, right, dumb ass? And that would ALSO end the subsidizing of them? Fucking moron, Franki....that's you.

Except for the criminals yes. They are all working, all the propaganda about illegals getting welfare and voting is pure baloney.

Dude, you are a fucking IDIOT! OF course they get stipends, subsidies and food stamps. Are you REALLY that fucking stupid???? They don't vote? Who is stopping them if they have legal residency by showing a utility bill? Like they can check every single person and whose to say that those with the power to prevent them from casting a ballot would use that authority. You are beyond naive. Why do you think that leftards don't want any part of a voter ID law???? Kinda hard to "vote early and often" with that rule in place.

Off topic, but I thought you would enjoy this.

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Speaking of conspiracy theorists, Phillip Stallings was arrested. He's another nutjob, just like you.

Durham man charged with 56 counts of sexual exploitation of minor

He founded the Christian flat earth society.

You conspiracy nutjobs are birds of a feather.

 

[Theowl32]

These pathetic left wing losers still think socialism is a success in Venezuela.

Nothing else to say.

 

[francoHFW]

Do you think the che guevera worshipers are able to admit that?

FDR had to save capitalism and we have had to bail out capitalism since then..Capitalism is a failure as an economic model..

How did FDR "save" capitalism? His New Deal policies are believed by many economists to have extended the Great Depression.

Capitalism has some faults...all systems do...but it's created more wealth and prosperity than any other system. How you can label THAT as failure is rather amusing!

He got the big boys together and told them how it was going to go down if they didn't cough up some dough to save the system, if not then revolutionary forces were already in place, especially after Hoover released MacArthur on the Hooterville resident veterans..
FDR along with taxes increased the chances of a great depression not hitting us again like it did so many times during the 1800's.

We had Great Depressions many times in the 1800's? Really, Moonie?

Ok they called them panics and they had them about every 10 years, ignoramus. Now we just have them every time the Republicans have 8 years 2 deregulate and cause giant corrupt bubbles and busts like 1929 1989 and 2008. And no doubt if Trump gets 8 years.... Only propaganda and brain washed fools Like you make it possible....

 

[francoHFW]

These pathetic left wing losers still think socialism is a success in Venezuela.

Nothing else to say.

Well they did basically did away with homelessness illiteracy and zero Healthcare, but many thanks for the 2008 corrupt GOP economic bust for Wrecking the market for oil their main export and all the sanctions and covert action which means they can't sell their oil anymore. Must be socialism's fault right brainwashed functional moron?

 

[Theowl32]

The wall is stupid and only the Democrats have the solution or give a damn it seems. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with ID card and enforce it. End of problem. It is the GOP that gives them an open invitation to work here.

So amnesty, right, dumb ass? And that would ALSO end the subsidizing of them? Fucking moron, Franki....that's you.

Except for the criminals yes. They are all working, all the propaganda about illegals getting welfare and voting is pure baloney.

Dude, you are a fucking IDIOT! OF course they get stipends, subsidies and food stamps. Are you REALLY that fucking stupid???? They don't vote? Who is stopping them if they have legal residency by showing a utility bill? Like they can check every single person and whose to say that those with the power to prevent them from casting a ballot would use that authority. You are beyond naive. Why do you think that leftards don't want any part of a voter ID law???? Kinda hard to "vote early and often" with that rule in place.

Off topic, but I thought you would enjoy this.

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Speaking of conspiracy theorists, Phillip Stallings was arrested. He's another nutjob, just like you.

Durham man charged with 56 counts of sexual exploitation of minor

He founded the Christian flat earth society.

You conspiracy nutjobs are birds of a feather.

Explain this you demented hypocrite

 

[francoHFW]

You mean that they have strict immigration laws? Imagine that? Think of how much money would be saved if we were not subsidizing a good portion of the 20 plus MILLION illegals that work under the table while collecting stipends and other amenities intended for the serfs with legal citizenship....not like you give a shit. Your ilk seems them as the future of the leftard clown posse party of sniveling commies.

The wall is stupid and only the Democrats have the solution or give a damn it seems. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with ID card and enforce it. End of problem. It is the GOP that gives them an open invitation to work here.

So amnesty, right, dumb ass? And that would ALSO end the subsidizing of them? Fucking moron, Franki....that's you.

Except for the criminals yes. They are all working, all the propaganda about illegals getting welfare and voting is pure baloney.

Off topic, but I thought you would enjoy this.

Sandy Hook Victim's Father Wins Defamation Suit; Alex Jones Sanctioned

Speaking of conspiracy theorists, Phillip Stallings was arrested. He's another nutjob, just like you.

Durham man charged with 56 counts of sexual exploitation of minor

He founded the Christian flat earth society.

You conspiracy nutjobs are birds of a feather.

Dude, you are a fucking IDIOT! OF course they get stipends, subsidies and food stamps. Are you REALLY that fucking stupid???? They don't vote? Who is stopping them if they have legal residency by showing a utility bill? Like they can check every single person and whose to say that those with the power to prevent them from casting a ballot would use that authority. You are beyond naive. Why do you think that leftards don't want any part of a voter ID law???? Kinda hard to "vote early and often" with that rule in place.

too bad you have no evidence beside the fact that you are a total brainwashed functional moron dingbat...

 

[danielpalos]

These pathetic left wing losers still think socialism is a success in Venezuela.

Nothing else to say.

learning how to catch red herrings and straw men, only means something to the right wing. a work ethic from the Age of Iron and learning how to fish, should be more productive.

 

[francoHFW]

The wall is stupid and only the Democrats have the solution or give a damn it seems. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with ID card and enforce it. End of problem. It is the GOP that gives them an open invitation to work here.

So amnesty, right, dumb ass? And that would ALSO end the subsidizing of them? Fucking moron, Franki....that's you.

Except for the criminals yes. They are all working, all the propaganda about illegals getting welfare and voting is pure baloney.

Off topic, but I thought you would enjoy this.

Sandy Hook Victim's Father Wins Defamation Suit; Alex Jones Sanctioned

Speaking of conspiracy theorists, Phillip Stallings was arrested. He's another nutjob, just like you.

Durham man charged with 56 counts of sexual exploitation of minor

He founded the Christian flat earth society.

You conspiracy nutjobs are birds of a feather.

Dude, you are a fucking IDIOT! OF course they get stipends, subsidies and food stamps. Are you REALLY that fucking stupid???? They don't vote? Who is stopping them if they have legal residency by showing a utility bill? Like they can check every single person and whose to say that those with the power to prevent them from casting a ballot would use that authority. You are beyond naive. Why do you think that leftards don't want any part of a voter ID law???? Kinda hard to "vote early and often" with that rule in place.

too bad you have no evidence beside the fact that you are a total brainwashed functional moron dingbat...

That was directed to the right-wing idiot who doesn't know how to use the quote function...

 

[Theowl32]

These pathetic left wing losers still think socialism is a success in Venezuela.

Nothing else to say.

learning how to catch red herrings and straw men, only means something to the right wing. a work ethic from the Age of Iron and learning how to fish, should be more productive.

So, you are claiming socialism failed that country?

Wait, you think the "hugo chavez" version was really really good?

Lol

Fucking morons

 

[francoHFW]

So amnesty, right, dumb ass? And that would ALSO end the subsidizing of them? Fucking moron, Franki....that's you.

Except for the criminals yes. They are all working, all the propaganda about illegals getting welfare and voting is pure baloney.

Dude, you are a fucking IDIOT! OF course they get stipends, subsidies and food stamps. Are you REALLY that fucking stupid???? They don't vote? Who is stopping them if they have legal residency by showing a utility bill? Like they can check every single person and whose to say that those with the power to prevent them from casting a ballot would use that authority. You are beyond naive. Why do you think that leftards don't want any part of a voter ID law???? Kinda hard to "vote early and often" with that rule in place.

Off topic, but I thought you would enjoy this.

Sandy Hook Victim's Father Wins Defamation Suit; Alex Jones Sanctioned

Speaking of conspiracy theorists, Phillip Stallings was arrested. He's another nutjob, just like you.

Durham man charged with 56 counts of sexual exploitation of minor

He founded the Christian flat earth society.

You conspiracy nutjobs are birds of a feather.

Explain this you demented hypocrite

What the hell is wrong with you anyway? When was that what happened? Well I'll tell you law enforcement looked into it and it had nothing to do with Hillary....

 

[francoHFW]

Except for the criminals yes. They are all working, all the propaganda about illegals getting welfare and voting is pure baloney.

Dude, you are a fucking IDIOT! OF course they get stipends, subsidies and food stamps. Are you REALLY that fucking stupid???? They don't vote? Who is stopping them if they have legal residency by showing a utility bill? Like they can check every single person and whose to say that those with the power to prevent them from casting a ballot would use that authority. You are beyond naive. Why do you think that leftards don't want any part of a voter ID law???? Kinda hard to "vote early and often" with that rule in place.

Off topic, but I thought you would enjoy this.

Sandy Hook Victim's Father Wins Defamation Suit; Alex Jones Sanctioned

Speaking of conspiracy theorists, Phillip Stallings was arrested. He's another nutjob, just like you.

Durham man charged with 56 counts of sexual exploitation of minor

He founded the Christian flat earth society.

You conspiracy nutjobs are birds of a feather.

Explain this you demented hypocrite

What the hell is wrong with you anyway? When was that what happened? Well I'll tell you law enforcement looked into it and it had nothing to do with Hillary....

Except they were GOP scandals that were discovered under Hillary...like those conferences that cost millions of dollars.... The GOP with all its cronies and lobbyists are the swamp. They don't like it when other countries show Independence from the swamp.... Keep GOP fingers out of other countries always a disaster. See Iran Venezuela chili Honduras El Salvador Iraq Nicaragua etc etc