So now, BUSH caused ISIS?

[Faun]

i thought dan quale caused ISIS

Isn't that the guy who invented the internet? Or was he the one who couldn't spell it?

 

[Faun]

Yes, Bush caused this...

What are the Islamic State's origins?

The group that calls itself the Islamic State can trace its lineage to the aftermath of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, in 2003. The Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi aligned his Jama’at al-Tawhidw’al-Jihad with al-Qaeda, making it al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI).

Zarqawi’s organization took aim at U.S. forces (PDF), their international allies, and local collaborators. It sought to draw the United States into a sectarian civil war by attacking Shias and their holy sites, including the Imam al-Askari shrine, in 2006, and provoking them to retaliate against Sunnis.

Zarqawi was killed in a U.S. airstrike that year. The emergence of the U.S.-backed Awakening, or Sons of Iraq, coalitions further weakened AQI as Sunni tribesmen reconciled with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s Shia-led government. Zarqawi’s successors rebranded AQI as the Islamic State of Iraq and later, the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), referring to a territory that roughly corresponds with the Levant, reflecting broadened ambitions as the 2011 uprising in Syria created opportunities for AQI to expand. The group is known to its followers as il-Dawla (“the State”) and its Arabic-speaking detractors as Daesh, the Arabic equivalent of the acronym ISIS.

The Islamic State’s current leader, the self-proclaimed caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, spent time in U.S.-run prisons in Iraq. Cells organized in them, along with remnants of Saddam Hussein’s ousted secular-nationalist Ba’ath party, make up some of the Islamic State’s ranks.

http://www.cfr.org/iraq/islamic-state/p14811

why do you libs sympathize with terrorists?

Why are you so brain-dead that you think posting about ISIS's origins is sympathizing with them?

 

[Faun]

The Arabs have a stranglehold on the oil market?.....Ahh boy...
The uninformed sound off again....Jeez.
Which awful environmental consequences?
Accidents happen....Do you drive a car? Ever been in a swimming pool? Use a toaster? been caught in a thunderstorm?
If risk averse people like you ran the country we'd be living in hovels......eating stone soup

As opposed to stupid people like you, who happily send poor kids off to die for rich people.

Seriously. Fuck you.

You're the "stupid people" as you've clearly demonstrated here. First of all, we don't round up poor kids and put them in the Army to go fight wars for rich people. That's apparently something that happens in the Liberal Utopian Universe and not the normal one. In the normal universe, young men and women VOLUNTEER to serve their country and they are aware that this may involve deployment where their lives may be at risk and people may shoot at them. Secondly, voters don't send anyone to war... Congress does that, and only Congress has that authority according to the Constitution.

You are a textbook example of someone who has been brainwashed by propaganda. I honestly don't know if there is a way to deprogram you at this point, I am hoping we can avoid having to put you down like a rabid dog.

Congress has absolutely no Authority to send troops to war. You have no idea what you're talking about and are quite obviously ignorant about what powers the Constitution does grant. The president is the designated the "Commander-in-Chief" of the non-militia federal armed forces, establishing him/her as the decider to send troops into war. Congress's role is to declare war and fund the military.

 

[Boss]

Why are you so brain-dead that you think posting about ISIS's origins is sympathizing with them?

Because the case is trying to be made that ISIS is the result of Bush policies when that's not entirely true. All throughout the entire War on Terror, liberal democrats have taken sides with anyone Bush was against because it's all political to you. We sit here and listen to you make excuses for their radicalism and barbaric acts which curiously always leads back to Bush.

I think there are several facets to this.... I think primarily liberal democrats feel a certain connection with the terrorists as radicals bucking the establishment. It's why you all revere and praise Che Guevara and the socialist scumbucket down in Venezuela. I think it turns you on that the terrorists hate Christians and Jews. Birds of a feather.... But mostly, I think it's a matter of this is something the right is passionate about and you feel compelled to be in opposition because you hate the right worse than you hate enemies of the United States.

 

[Boss]

The Arabs have a stranglehold on the oil market?.....Ahh boy...
The uninformed sound off again....Jeez.
Which awful environmental consequences?
Accidents happen....Do you drive a car? Ever been in a swimming pool? Use a toaster? been caught in a thunderstorm?
If risk averse people like you ran the country we'd be living in hovels......eating stone soup

As opposed to stupid people like you, who happily send poor kids off to die for rich people.

Seriously. Fuck you.

You're the "stupid people" as you've clearly demonstrated here. First of all, we don't round up poor kids and put them in the Army to go fight wars for rich people. That's apparently something that happens in the Liberal Utopian Universe and not the normal one. In the normal universe, young men and women VOLUNTEER to serve their country and they are aware that this may involve deployment where their lives may be at risk and people may shoot at them. Secondly, voters don't send anyone to war... Congress does that, and only Congress has that authority according to the Constitution.

You are a textbook example of someone who has been brainwashed by propaganda. I honestly don't know if there is a way to deprogram you at this point, I am hoping we can avoid having to put you down like a rabid dog.

Congress has absolutely no Authority to send troops to war. You have no idea what you're talking about and are quite obviously ignorant about what powers the Constitution does grant. The president is the designated the "Commander-in-Chief" of the non-militia federal armed forces, establishing him/her as the decider to send troops into war. Congress's role is to declare war and fund the military.

Congress has absolutely no Authority to send troops to war.

Nominated for dumbest thing a liberal has said so far today! Go read your fucking Constitution again, bucko!

 

[Rexx Taylor]

so long as Hillary never polls higher than 47% VS any GOP contender getting 53%, Bush caused ISIS.

 

[Faun]

Why are you so brain-dead that you think posting about ISIS's origins is sympathizing with them?

Because the case is trying to be made that ISIS is the result of Bush policies when that's not entirely true. All throughout the entire War on Terror, liberal democrats have taken sides with anyone Bush was against because it's all political to you. We sit here and listen to you make excuses for their radicalism and barbaric acts which curiously always leads back to Bush.

I think there are several facets to this.... I think primarily liberal democrats feel a certain connection with the terrorists as radicals bucking the establishment. It's why you all revere and praise Che Guevara and the socialist scumbucket down in Venezuela. I think it turns you on that the terrorists hate Christians and Jews. Birds of a feather.... But mostly, I think it's a matter of this is something the right is passionate about and you feel compelled to be in opposition because you hate the right worse than you hate enemies of the United States.

Ok, you're an idiot. This post proves it beyond doubt.

I have never revered or praised Che Guevara.

I have never revered or praised any socialist leader of Venezuela. It doesn't even matter which one you're talking about, I never revered or praised any of them.

It does not "turn me on" that the terrorists hate Christians and Jews.

You clearly have some mental issues to deal with. Your prejudices cloud your brain into believing all Liberals think the same way.

Regardless of your sophomoric ramblings, the point you will never refute ... had Bush not invaded Iraq, which was not necessary, ISIS would not have formed and would certainly not be sweeping through Iraq as they are today.

Bush owns Iraq.

Therefore, Bush owns ISIS.

 

[Faun]

The Arabs have a stranglehold on the oil market?.....Ahh boy...
The uninformed sound off again....Jeez.
Which awful environmental consequences?
Accidents happen....Do you drive a car? Ever been in a swimming pool? Use a toaster? been caught in a thunderstorm?
If risk averse people like you ran the country we'd be living in hovels......eating stone soup

As opposed to stupid people like you, who happily send poor kids off to die for rich people.

Seriously. Fuck you.

You're the "stupid people" as you've clearly demonstrated here. First of all, we don't round up poor kids and put them in the Army to go fight wars for rich people. That's apparently something that happens in the Liberal Utopian Universe and not the normal one. In the normal universe, young men and women VOLUNTEER to serve their country and they are aware that this may involve deployment where their lives may be at risk and people may shoot at them. Secondly, voters don't send anyone to war... Congress does that, and only Congress has that authority according to the Constitution.

You are a textbook example of someone who has been brainwashed by propaganda. I honestly don't know if there is a way to deprogram you at this point, I am hoping we can avoid having to put you down like a rabid dog.

Congress has absolutely no Authority to send troops to war. You have no idea what you're talking about and are quite obviously ignorant about what powers the Constitution does grant. The president is the designated the "Commander-in-Chief" of the non-militia federal armed forces, establishing him/her as the decider to send troops into war. Congress's role is to declare war and fund the military.

Congress has absolutely no Authority to send troops to war.

Nominated for dumbest thing a liberal has said so far today! Go read your fucking Constitution again, bucko!

Ok, I looked again. Nowhere in the Constitution does it authorize Congress to send troops to war.

That is the role of the president.

Congress can only declare war and fund the military.

And guess what -- even if Congress declares war, the president is under no Constitutional obligation to send even a single troop to fight in said declared war. Do you even realize if that were to happen, the Congress has no Constitutional authority to send any troops to war.

You are truly mind-numbingly senile. Though, I do appreciate you demonstrating that since that sheds a bright light on much of the rest of the nonsense you've been spewing.

 

[rdean]

if Bush caused ISIS, then why wasnt the Issue brought up in 2008?

Funny how Isis wasn't even heard of till last couple years. Libtards are funny.

There are lots of things Republicans never heard of. They are a stupid lot because of the determined idiocy. Republicans believe things no one else on earth believe. They are laughed at the world over and I suspect most of the world seems them as irrational, violent and dangerous. One of the worst parts is the fact most Republican don't seem to know, understand or even care what their party's actual policies are.

IT S OFFICIAL The Whole World Thinks Republicans Are Dangerous Maniacs Threatening Everyone - Business Insider

Republicans More Dangerous Than ISIS According to NSA Super-Computer National Report

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Boss 11590024

Bush didn't fuck anything up except the "lead-up" to the war. He shouldn't have wasted all the time with the UN and resolutions, or trying to get liberal democrats on board. If he had nailed Saddam hard and unexpectedly,

There had to be a specific and identified with absolute certainty that U.S. National security was threatened to justify the assaination by massive bombing of a leader of a sovereign nation. And in September Bush43 had no evidence of such a threat or a connection to the attacks on September 11 2001.

Boss 11592090

But there WERE WMDs, we found tons of depleted ones. He hadn't had time to produce fresh ones due to UNSCOM and sanctions, but all kinds of raw materials and empty missile heads went to Syria along with the technology for production.

Even Bush43 admitted that what was found was not the WMD that he thought would justify an invasion. He fundamentally said in his memoir that it makes him sick to his stomach to think about all the dead and injured and displaced human beings that his so called "faulty intelligence" was entirely wrong. So how do you make your ignorance based claim when the very man who would prettify his legacy does not, has not and will not make the claim you are now making?

Brother Jeb won't publicly ever embarrass himself by making the ridiculously false claim that you are making. He can't. It is not close to being true and he is running for President. If it were true Jeb would love to say it and salvage the Bush family name that his idiot brother ruined.

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[prison/con.net]

look people, if all you want is a MAN dead (or captured) you do NOT have to wasted a trillion $ or kill thousands of people. All you have to do is sic a SEAL team on them. but there's 2 problems with that, when you are a US president. One problem is that it won't generate a lot of biz money (which wars DO) and two, it can just as easily be done to YOU (after you are no longer president).

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Darkw 11517218

Bush himself warned about the creation of ISIS if we pulled out too precipitously and without a proper status of forces agreement.

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When, where and in what year did Bush make that prediction?. And what exactly the prediction that has actually come to pass? If you don't know of an actual quote why repeat this right winger nonsense over and over and over again.

The truth is Bush43 himself signed a SOFA in Dec 2008 agreeing that it was ok to pull troops out of Iraq's cities in six months and all totally gone in 36 months. That was the deal he made with Iraq. If it was not enough time a strong U.S. President would not have signed it. He should have negotiated a ten year deal like a real President Obama did with Afghanistan.

And then if Obama broke that deal you might have a point. But reality cannot be twisted to confirm to right winger (Bush's Iraq invasion) lover's liking.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Darkw 11517248

However, I am not about to rehash Iraq for the 35,000 time with people who have already made up their minds.

If you do not wish to rehash Iraq then do not make false claims about Iraq and the current conditions there such as this:

Darkw 11517218

. Bush himself warned about the creation of ISIS if we pulled out too precipitously and without a proper status of forces agreement.

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The creation of ISIS had nothing to do with the Bush43 / Maliki 2008 agreement to pull all troops out over the next three years. As was noted, ISIS was formed in 2006 and grew more powerful in Syria prior to waging the assault into Iraq Sunni regions they pulled off a year ago.

When you bring up misleading and erroneous commentary about the present its not rehashing Bush's dumb invasion of Iraq in 2003 at all.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

if Bush caused ISIS, then why wasnt the Issue brought up in 2008?

Funny how Isis wasn't even heard of till last couple years. Libtards are funny.

There are lots of things Republicans never heard of. They are a stupid lot because of the determined idiocy. Republicans believe things no one else on earth believe. They are laughed at the world over and I suspect most of the world seems them as irrational, violent and dangerous. One of the worst parts is the fact most Republican don't seem to know, understand or even care what their party's actual policies are.

IT S OFFICIAL The Whole World Thinks Republicans Are Dangerous Maniacs Threatening Everyone - Business Insider

Republicans More Dangerous Than ISIS According to NSA Super-Computer National Report

The whole world knows dimwits are weak pussy commies. Where is Guno your retarded twin?

 

[Rexx Taylor]

well if Bush caused ISIS, then who caused that Gerbil debacle with Richard Gere? Monica Lewinsky?

 

[JimH52]

Even the GOP admits that.

 

[JimH52]

I don't know what it is you think you get.

Bush himself warned about the creation of ISIS if we pulled out too precipitously and without a proper status of forces agreement. When Bush left office, there was no ISIS.

So we should have just stayed and paid to defend iraq forever. I fail to see how that is good use of tax dollars.

Halliburton would be fine with it.

 

[jillian]

I don't make a habit out of reading left-wing rants online but every now and then something will emerge that catches my attention. Mostly because it keeps being repeated in the echo chamber of liberal America and eventually the meme pops up on your Facebook page. Apparently, one of the latest memes from Liberalmania is that Bush caused ISIS.

I get it... Bush started the Iraq War and created a destabilization by toppling Saddam and ISIS has filled the void. But this completely disregards what went down and what we were told by the people in the know back then. Those of us who supported the War in Iraq and the War on Terror, made it adamantly clear that our reasoning was simple, we kill them NOW instead of dealing with them later.

You were repeatedly warned of the dangers in ignoring the threat of radical Islamic terrorism, and you would have no part of it. Nothing was going to do until you ended the war and destroyed Bush. So we abandoned the War on Terror, we abandoned the few people over there who were helping us build democracy and restore peace, and we moved toward your policies of appeasement and diplomacy. Now we're paying the price for not eliminating the threat when we had the chance.

Where are the WMDs? Well it turns out they were in Syria, where Saddam's WMD technology is currently being deployed. Actual chem/bio weapons have short shelf life, but the technology is what was important and it all went to Syria.

Radical Islam is not a joke. It wasn't something to take lightly. It certainly wasn't something that should have been turned into a political football for the purpose of bringing down a president. But.... that's our history in this country! We are constantly following the liberal heart and then having to pay the price in the end with more loss of life and greater wars.

Boooosh caused my 'roids, and killed Joan Rivers too.

bush's policies destabilized the entire middle east.

you're welcome.

now don't you feel silly"?

if not, you should

 

[jillian]

Even the GOP admits that.

the wingers don't listen to or read anything from which they'd get that information.

 

[JoeB131]

ou're the "stupid people" as you've clearly demonstrated here. First of all, we don't round up poor kids and put them in the Army to go fight wars for rich people.

Of course we don't. We promise them college scholarships that never happen.

That's apparently something that happens in the Liberal Utopian Universe and not the normal one.

Actually, in a sensible liberal coutnry, we draft the children of the rich to fight right along the children of the poor, and oddly, the rich suddenly become a LOT MORE SELECTIVE about what wars are "worth it".

In the normal universe, young men and women VOLUNTEER to serve their country and they are aware that this may involve deployment where their lives may be at risk and people may shoot at them.

But that's part of the problem. When you have a military establishment where the average citizens aren't committed, it becomes too easy to go to war. "Well, my kid's not going!"

You are a textbook example of someone who has been brainwashed by propaganda. I honestly don't know if there is a way to deprogram you at this point, I am hoping we can avoid having to put you down like a rabid dog.

Frankly, you are the one foaming at the mouth. And I used to be right wing until I realized how full of shit you all are.

But there WERE WMDs, we found tons of depleted ones. He hadn't had time to produce fresh ones due to UNSCOM and sanctions, but all kinds of raw materials and empty missile heads went to Syria along with the technology for production.

Guy, we did not go to war over some depleted mustard gas that was b uried in 1991. We went to war because Saddam supposedly had nukes and Anthrax.

No one ever told Bush anything was "a terrible idea." General Colin Powell warned Bush, "If you break it, you buy it." Simply meaning, if you invade Iraq, you own the consequences. As for Bush and Cheney's military records, it doesn't matter... they were legitimately elected by the people just like Obama who has no military record.

General Shinkisi told Bush he needed 500,000 troops to secure the country, which we didn't have. He was ignored and forced to step down.

And, no, the people voted for Al Gore. Bush and his cronies stole the election.

We're worse off now because we gave up the fight and abandoned the War on Terror. In 2008, our strategy changed to the liberal democrat strategy of diplomacy, negotiation, sticking our heads in the sand and ignoring the problems until they bite us in the ass. Obama was going to "talk to them" and make things right... Kerry went over there to spread good will and negotiate peace. Now it's all blowing up in his stupid mashed potato face just like everyone warned would happen. And predictably, when it all goes tits up, you find a way to spin it into the fault of Bush and Republicans.

Obama did exactly what the people want and still want- to get the hell out of that mess.