So...Trump’s now going after legal immigrants.

[Dragonlady]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs or long-term Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

Why do they completely rely on welfare why don't they have jobs and pay for themselves? Are they just lazy and expect American taxpayers to fund them and their family?

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

Don't Lucy.

It's Newsweek.

CFR garbage meant to use emotional fallacies and dubious facts. The CFR is a globalist mouthpiece.

The fact is, the American economy is not structured to sustain more lower and middle income workers. These are lower and middle income workers that need health and nutritional assistance, just like Americans in the same situation. Why do we need more citizens in this economic class?

The article won't answer you that question, it will only make you feel bad for them.

Your economy is now structured so that nearly half your population is receiving some kind of benefits to survive.

Unless an immigrant is wealthy when they arrive, they will likely require some assistance until they’re established regardless of how hard working or educated they are. Rich, successful people rarely emigrate. They stay where they became rich and successful.

The example I read was an immigrant father whose American-born child had a heart defect. The family used the CHIP program for her care. His wife and child are both Americans but this man could be deported if this rule passed.

I can’t imagine this is constitutional. Or that it would get past the Courts.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs or long-term Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

NO VACANCY

TAKE YOUR BROKE ASSES HOME

WTF? You're broke, loser.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We have way too many Mexicans. It's downright racist I tell you. Send them back before they make babies, then it will be impossible and we will have to foot the bill for generations to come.

But my bleeding heart! People are suffering! Let's sacrifice our own comfort in a misguided attempt to save them!

Have you been directly affected?

Of course I have. Welfare is paid for with my money. I've always supported social safety nets for poor AMERICANS, but contributing people in the United States cannot afford to take care of the poor south of our border.

Of course I have. Welfare is paid for with my money

No doubt. I bet you help a family of five with their rent for a month anually.

Probably about as much as you help immigrants with their rent for a month annually.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Unless an immigrant is wealthy when they arrive, they will likely require some assistance until they’re established regardless of how hard working or educated they are. Rich, successful people rarely emigrate. They stay where they became rich and successful.

So in other words, this is the worlds dumping grounds. No money, no education, come to America and taxpayers will support you.

But then you can't figure out why we are against that?

 

[pismoe]

Those violent terrorists and creeps that shot up citizens at the Boston Marathon and in Bakersfield CA and at Orlando Pulse nightclub were legal immigrants. They did not assimilate very much.

Sure they did. They are like the Vegas shooter, Dylan Roof, the Parkland shooter...

--------------------------- NO they ain't , dylan roof , vegas shooter . and 'parkland' murderer were American criminal murderers while the 'muslim' murderers that are mentioned were IMPORTED 'muslim' murderers . There is a big huge difference Coyote ,

Omar Mateen was born in Hyde Park NY. Hardly an import. At least do your research first.

Omar Mateen was born in Hyde Park NY

American born Muslims, like foreign born Muslims, are prone to Sudden Jihadi Syndrome.

-------------------------------- of course , Coyote is probably unaware [chuckle] eh TPatriot ??

 

[MisterBeale]

IF they lied to get citizenship, it should be revoked and they should be deported.

Depends on what the lie was and even if it was a lie and not a mistake.

YOur knee jerk reaction to side with the lying foreigner, who lied to get citizenship, and thus does not deserve it,

is noted and held against you.

That statement, coming from someone who automatically sides with a lying president is pretty ironic.

If someone makes a mistake on an application is it a lie or a mistake? Note - Melania Trump has been accused of lying on her visa. Would that make her ineligible for citizenship under these new rules?

It creates the potential to comb through looking for minor errors as an excuse to strip citizenship - and that is worrisome. Citizenship HAS been stripped if someone has lied about pretty major stuff - like criminal records, being a member of a terrorist organization etc. This has the potential to go beyond that and go back indefinately in a person's background for what could be very minor stuff. I imagine it could be used to silence opposition too....a naturalized citizen speaks out against the Trump Administration - let's look at his documents....

Melania is a wealthy model that married a billionaire, not some fucking tomato picker that's going to suck up welfare funds.

Oh wait. So if a wealthy model lies on her application she gets a free pass, but if if a tomato picker does he gets deported?

Ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

So now you want the law to apply equally, to be "blind," but when the FBI said Hillary did not intend to break the law, well, you buy that, but this FBI probe into Russia you believe?

Do you really expect any of us to believe you want the law to be blind?

 

[MisterBeale]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs or long-term Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

Why do they completely rely on welfare why don't they have jobs and pay for themselves? Are they just lazy and expect American taxpayers to fund them and their family?

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

Don't Lucy.

It's Newsweek.

CFR garbage meant to use emotional fallacies and dubious facts. The CFR is a globalist mouthpiece.

The fact is, the American economy is not structured to sustain more lower and middle income workers. These are lower and middle income workers that need health and nutritional assistance, just like Americans in the same situation. Why do we need more citizens in this economic class?

The article won't answer you that question, it will only make you feel bad for them.

Your economy is now structured so that nearly half your population is receiving some kind of benefits to survive.

Unless an immigrant is wealthy when they arrive, they will likely require some assistance until they’re established regardless of how hard working or educated they are. Rich, successful people rarely emigrate. They stay where they became rich and successful.

The example I read was an immigrant father whose American-born child had a heart defect. The family used the CHIP program for her care. His wife and child are both Americans but this man could be deported if this rule passed.

I can’t imagine this is constitutional. Or that it would get past the Courts.

Well then, I guess we are done taking immigrants.

Damn, no more Canadians like you. Won't that be a shame?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

..

I accept your moral argument. Now I have a question for you. Would it or would it not be better for our economy to get rid of those people?

No.

As it was pointed out, it has always been the case that those who completely rely on welfare are subject to possible deportation. No argument there. These are people who work but might use small amounts of assistance such as subsidies to help purchase health insurance or CHIP for examp,e.

It's not "small amounts" - half their income is from welfare according to your article.

No. According to that article - those for whom half or more of their income is from public assistance have ALWAYS been eligible for deportation - that's the current law. The new proposal would extend it to those receiving ANY public assistence what so ever, such as subsidies to purchase health insurance, or utilizing the school lunch program, or CHIP.

If you go to another nation you should WORK and earn moneys to support and feed yourself and your family. If you go to another nation you should not be going there if you do NOT have enough finances to support yourself until you can get a job and you certainly should NOT being having more than ONE child UNLESS you have the financial means to support MORE than ONE child.

If you go to another nation you should WORK and earn moneys to support and feed yourself and your family.

Look, retard. Our nation was founded and built on immigration. Everyone here is descended from immigrants. Through ups and downs they perservered and their descendents prospered. No one before tried to deport them for their struggle. This is the nothing more than the supremacist's last grasp at control. They will be defeated.

 

[westwall]

Could we set the bar just a bit higher?

Nazi...

And racist and xenophobic and all the other labels I suppose.

You hate brown people..............

Not really, but i am a realist. The US simply doesn't have the resources to take everybody in. It would be wonderful if we did, but we simply don't.

Not with the burdon of the red states and all.

"Burdon". What a farce, that's because the red states have shitloads of FEDERAL MILITARY BASES, you idiot. It ain't welfare you ignorant buffoon.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

“So...Trump’s now going after legal immigrants.”

This is because like his supporters and most on the right, Trump is a frightened, hateful bigot and racist.

And like most conservatives, Trump has an unwarranted fear of immigrants and immigration; an unwarranted fear of change and diversity; and an unwarranted fear that ‘white culture’ will be ‘replaced.’

Do you think the it will be a net gain or loss for our economy?

I think red states are a net loss for our economy.

 

[karpenter]

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Once Upon A Time
One Couldn't Immigrate Unless You Had A Support System Of Your Own

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

They Shouldn't Require Taxpayer Help At All To Come In
It's Not Our Job To Raise Them Out Of Their Poverty
Or Support Them Until They Do It Themselves
...If They Ever Do

Would it or would it not be better for our economy to get rid of those people?

These Are The Dreamers
The Doctors, Professors, Scientists
America Can't Function Without

Dreaming Alright...

I accept your moral argument.

Their Emotions Run Their Lives
At The Expense Of Every One Else

If The Deportation Of All Illegal Aliens
Saves Even One Life, Or Prevents Even One Rape
Then Isn't Their Inconvenience All Worth It ??

That's Their Rational For Everything Else...

 

[Uncensored2008]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs or long-term Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

So, you're saying that immigrants are sucking on the government tit?

I thought you Communists claimed that Immigrants were the backbone of this nation? Now you say they are tics?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

..

I accept your moral argument. Now I have a question for you. Would it or would it not be better for our economy to get rid of those people?

No.

As it was pointed out, it has always been the case that those who completely rely on welfare are subject to possible deportation. No argument there. These are people who work but might use small amounts of assistance such as subsidies to help purchase health insurance or CHIP for examp,e.

It's not "small amounts" - half their income is from welfare according to your article.

No. According to that article - those for whom half or more of their income is from public assistance have ALWAYS been eligible for deportation - that's the current law. The new proposal would extend it to those receiving ANY public assistence what so ever, such as subsidies to purchase health insurance, or utilizing the school lunch program, or CHIP.

If you go to another nation you should WORK and earn moneys to support and feed yourself and your family. If you go to another nation you should not be going there if you do NOT have enough finances to support yourself until you can get a job and you certainly should NOT being having more than ONE child UNLESS you have the financial means to support MORE than ONE child.

If you go to another nation you should WORK and earn moneys to support and feed yourself and your family.

Look, retard. Our nation was founded and built on immigration. Everyone here is descended from immigrants. Through ups and downs they perservered and their descendents prospered. No one before tried to deport them for their struggle. This is the nothing more than the supremacist's last grasp at control. They will be defeated.

There was a time when immigrants were needed; we were building a country. But that day is long gone. At one time, we needed carriage makers and horse breeders too. Like immigrants, they are no longer needed.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs or long-term Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

Why do they completely rely on welfare why don't they have jobs and pay for themselves? Are they just lazy and expect American taxpayers to fund them and their family?

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

They get over 50% of their income from welfare?

Rephrase your blatant lie, Comrade.

 

[Sahba]

Look, retard. Our nation was founded and built on immigration. Everyone here is descended from immigrants. Through ups and downs they perservered and their descendents prospered. No one before tried to deport them for their struggle. This is the nothing more than the supremacist's last grasp at control. They will be defeated.

When we needed laborers, tradesmen, factory workers etc. we brought them in to fulfill a void but only if they met the financial requirements / were vouched for financially & were proven to be healthy and disease free after quarantine. Global right to US citizenry may well be one of your wet dreams but it is not the law of the land. BTW, Trump has the authority to turn off the spigot at any time if he decides that it is in the best interest of national security or citizenry safety (and no judge could stop him)... I personally would welcome a nice long moratorium on all immigration. Then we can ask congress to appropriate the funds to pay for the mess that we currently have as a condition of opening it back up again, lol.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

There’s no reason to let people come here in a booming job market that don’t have self sustaining work lined up. It’s even dumber to bring these people here if the economy isn’t good.

Immigration papers need to be tied to work to be done. Apply for a job, the employer guarantees you will have that job upon arrival. Then you can come here with your immediate family (one wife, you and her biological children only).

There’s no reason to let people come here in a booming job market that don’t have self sustaining work lined up.

Fukin a. Deport west virginia!

Comparing deporting immigrants to deporting citizens born here. Yeah, that makes sense.

Cost the same, dope.

 

[oreo]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs or long-term Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

Typically legal immigrants do NOT qualify for any kind of government assistance until they have been here for at least 5 years. Including welfare, food stamps, housing and health care.

As it is, with only very narrow exceptions, immigrants already must wait for a period of five years before they can access federal public benefits like Medicaid, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits (formerly known as food stamps), cash assistance, and Social Security benefits. Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for these benefits.

The Truth About Immigrants and Public Benefits

Refugees on the other hand, those seeking asylm into the United States will receive government assistance immediately regarding health, housing, food, etc.

 

[MisterBeale]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs or long-term Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

Why do they completely rely on welfare why don't they have jobs and pay for themselves? Are they just lazy and expect American taxpayers to fund them and their family?

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

What is this then from the article:

"Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs"

Because you, and those who agree with you DID NOT READ it.

Here:

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs or long-term Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.​

The CURRENT RULE as it is NOW allows for deportation of immigrants who are reliant on the government for more than half of their income. No argument from me on that.

The NEW RULE wants to extend that to those who use any form of public assistance however miniscule - like the school lunch program.

Do you have ANY IDEA how much of a drag on the economy public housing is?

It is probably up equal to half the amount of the income that you said you have; "No argument from me on that."

It could be anywhere between 50 and 80 grand a year per family of four in LA, CAL. . .

You said yourself, you can't argue with that, so I guess the debate is over now. . .

We can't afford to pay for their housing. . . .
Rosewood Park Apartments in Commerce, California

Why L.A. wants to spend $100 million on the homeless
Why L.A. wants to spend $100 million on the homeless

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Are they just lazy

No, they're poor and ignorant.

Like red staters.

We have no means to kick out unproductive white trash.

Should there be means to kick out legal immigrants? People who met every standard under the law?

I personally see no difference between a legal immigrant and a citizen. Both have standing under the law.
The standards I've seen so far in this thread arent met by a good pecentage of the existing citizen population. Why hold others who worked very hard to get here to a higher standard?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

There’s no reason to let people come here in a booming job market that don’t have self sustaining work lined up. It’s even dumber to bring these people here if the economy isn’t good.

Immigration papers need to be tied to work to be done. Apply for a job, the employer guarantees you will have that job upon arrival. Then you can come here with your immediate family (one wife, you and her biological children only).

There’s no reason to let people come here in a booming job market that don’t have self sustaining work lined up.

Fukin a. Deport west virginia!

I live in WV dude.

Then you know what I'm sayin.