So...Trump’s now going after legal immigrants.

[Correll]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs or long-term Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

About fucking time. We take way too many legal immigrants.


We should shut it down to effectively zero, for at least a generation.

 

[DGS49]

1. WE get to decide who I'm migrates (at least theoretically).

2. We don't want anyone who is not a net contributor.

Is that too difficult to understand?

We already have a full supply of public charges. We don't need to import more of them.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Cutting off the welfare magnet that draws them here is the solution to the illegal immigrant problem.

“public charge” defined - an individual who is likely to become primarily dependent on the government for subsistence, as demonstrated by either the receipt of public cash assistance for income maintenance or institutionalization for long-term care at government expense.

Of course, that cannot be accomplished until the monetary policy is first addressed and we get back to free-markets where the markets tell the government what to do as opposed to what we have now where the government dictates the market.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

If they are not contributing to America's economy, which they are not as they are all on welfare then they are draining your welfare system funded by taxpayers money, so from an economic viewpoint removing them would SAVE you money that you could put to a better more worthy use.

Agreed. From a strictly economic standpoint it's a good decision.

Is it? What will the total cost of such decisions be?

If you don't pay federal income taxes you are a drag on our government expenses. I want more people that can contribute, not more that need help. We're better off with fewer uneducated people that rely on welfare.

This is why all Western nations should have a Points System, that only those who are needed are allowed eg. if they have a specific skill, if they have a University Degree, if they already have a job waiting for them etc and also with that they should have approx 25,000 in their finances which will show that once in they can sustain themselves and their family if they have one.

Those who have no skills, no University Degree, no job waiting and minimal finances should NOT be allowed in, they should be rejected and be told to GTFO.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

If they are not contributing to America's economy, which they are not as they are all on welfare then they are draining your welfare system funded by taxpayers money, so from an economic viewpoint removing them would SAVE you money that you could put to a better more worthy use.

Agreed. From a strictly economic standpoint it's a good decision.

Is it? What will the total cost of such decisions be?

It will cost us less.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

There’s no reason to let people come here in a booming job market that don’t have self sustaining work lined up. It’s even dumber to bring these people here if the economy isn’t good.

Immigration papers need to be tied to work to be done. Apply for a job, the employer guarantees you will have that job upon arrival. Then you can come here with your immediate family (one wife, you and her biological children only).

 

[Tilly]

I thought the left are always telling us how the immigrants contribute greatly to the US and work etc???

 

[WillowTree]

I thought the left are always telling us how the immigrants contribute greatly to the US and work etc???

Yep!

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Yes immigrate to live on our dole.

Untrue.

Why have they not got jobs then? Why are they predominantly on welfare? What have they CONTRIBUTED to get Gibs Me Dat? Zero that's what, they just get hand outs for doing ZERO, they are pointless and useless and a drain on your financial and medical resources that SHOULD be used for your OWN peoples who HAVE worked and contributed and now perhaps cannot work because of serious illness and/or injury from accident.

WTF you have Veterans who have been treated like CRAP and have not been able to get adequate medical treatment and you have elderly peoples who have to CHOOSE between feeding themselves OR paying for their extortionate medical costs including drugs to keep them going and you have these wastes of human skin from Third World Shit Holes who have contributed ZERO and expect perpetual Gibs Me Dat from America's taxpayers.

 

[Maxdeath]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs or long-term Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

I agree with you we need to give out more welfare, Medicaid and other freebies until we don't have enough coming in from taxes to pay for it. Then we need to borrow until our countries credit won't even rate junk bond status. Then everyone in the country can suffer together.

 

[Coyote]

These are people here LEGALLY. They are obeying our laws, working, following the rules.

 

[Coyote]

Yes immigrate to live on our dole.

Untrue.

Why have they not got jobs then? Why are they predominantly on welfare? What have they CONTRIBUTED to get Gibs Me Dat? Zero that's what, they just get hand outs for doing ZERO, they are pointless and useless and a drain on your financial and medical resources that SHOULD be used for your OWN peoples who HAVE worked and contributed and now perhaps cannot work because of serious illness and/or injury from accident.

WTF you have Veterans who have been treated like CRAP and have not been able to get adequate medical treatment and you have elderly peoples who have to CHOOSE between feeding themselves OR paying for their extortionate medical costs including drugs to keep them going and you have these wastes of human skin from Third World Shit Holes who have contributed ZERO and expect perpetual Gibs Me Dat from America's taxpayers.

LUCY! Read the article! They are working! They are not living off welfare!

 

[MarathonMike]

If they are going to stay here they should become citizens, IMO.

That is probably the intention but it takes a long time.

The real problem is our immigration process is a mess but neither party wants to address what is hard they want to address what is politically expedient for them to get elected. There is something called a 'permanent green card' but even that takes 10 years.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

These are people here LEGALLY. They are obeying our laws, working, following the rules.

Well get them off their lazy buttocks then and tell them to take the FIRST available job because no more handouts, if they are able to work they should be working and paying taxes, they should be contributing to your economy not TAKING from it.

 

[OODA_Loop]

These are people here LEGALLY. They are obeying our laws, working, following the rules.

And in cases relying on the government for half or more of their income per your OP.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The only welfare an immigrant should come here with is what’s in their pocket. You get nothing from us but a chance. Either take it and run or go back home.

I just thought of something. Every immigrant has to deposit what a current one way ticket back home would be for themselves and their family members. They either make it here for five years and get the money back or we use it to purchase the airfare back home and March them on the plane.

 

[Coyote]

These are people here LEGALLY. They are obeying our laws, working, following the rules.

Well get them off their lazy buttocks then and tell them to take the FIRST available job because no more handouts, if they are able to work they should be working and paying taxes, they should be contributing to your economy not TAKING from it.

THEY ARE WORKING.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Yes immigrate to live on our dole.

Untrue.

Why have they not got jobs then? Why are they predominantly on welfare? What have they CONTRIBUTED to get Gibs Me Dat? Zero that's what, they just get hand outs for doing ZERO, they are pointless and useless and a drain on your financial and medical resources that SHOULD be used for your OWN peoples who HAVE worked and contributed and now perhaps cannot work because of serious illness and/or injury from accident.

WTF you have Veterans who have been treated like CRAP and have not been able to get adequate medical treatment and you have elderly peoples who have to CHOOSE between feeding themselves OR paying for their extortionate medical costs including drugs to keep them going and you have these wastes of human skin from Third World Shit Holes who have contributed ZERO and expect perpetual Gibs Me Dat from America's taxpayers.

LUCY! Read the article! They are working! They are not living off welfare!

Even those ones rely on up to half of things from welfare to keep them going, they are not able to even 70% provide for themselves.

 

[Tilly]

These are people here LEGALLY. They are obeying our laws, working, following the rules.

Well get them off their lazy buttocks then and tell them to take the FIRST available job because no more handouts, if they are able to work they should be working and paying taxes, they should be contributing to your economy not TAKING from it.

Immigrants should be self sustaining, not taking from the pot that others have contributed to all their lives. I think the below is perfectly reasonable and what most sensible nations ie Australia do ( they certainly used to anyway)


In a statement obtained by NBC News, an official at the Department of Homeland Security defended the proposed policy changes, saying that “any proposed changes would ensure that the government takes the responsibility of being good stewards of taxpayer funds seriously and adjudicates immigration benefit requests in accordance with the law."

The official added that “the administration is committed to enforcing existing immigration law, which is clearly intended to protect the American taxpayer by ensuring that foreign nationals seeking to enter or remain in the U.S are self-sufficient.”

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

These are people here LEGALLY. They are obeying our laws, working, following the rules.

Well get them off their lazy buttocks then and tell them to take the FIRST available job because no more handouts, if they are able to work they should be working and paying taxes, they should be contributing to your economy not TAKING from it.

THEY ARE WORKING.

So why are they claiming all types of things off welfare then?