So What Exactly Is the Crime Trump is Guilty Of?

[Ricky LIbtardo]

Hey, petunia, the Ukraine President didn't know the aid was held up so how could that be used to "squeeze" him.

It was never mentioned by Trump.

Another libtardo conspiracy theory down the drain.

Dumbass, OF COURSE Ukrainian president knew that.

Help up aid was the context for the call.

In the conversation (which dupes like you should read for yourself instead of relying on Trump's propaganda) Trump specifically talks about how Ukraine is not reciprocating the generous aid United States is providing and then proceeds to tell Ukranian President who Trump wants investigated.

Direct text from transcript:

Trump: United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

Zelenskyy: I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

Trump: I would like you to do us a favor...I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it.

Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation.

Trump: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair....Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man...and I would like him to call you. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that.

Read the transcript of Trump's conversation with Volodymyr Zelensky - CNNPolitics

Wrong again, no where in there does Trump mention holding up money. Ukraine didn't know the money was under review.

...wtf?? the Ukraine had big concerns about about Trump admin delaying aid for months:


In the beginning of September, Johnson and Murphy traveled to Ukraine. When they returned, they both talked to Durbin, an Illinois Democrat and vice chairman of the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee, about the need to make sure Ukraine got their money.

"I will tell you who brought it up to me was Ron Johnson," Durbin said. "He came back from Ukraine and said 'we gotta get this money released.' And, I said, 'I'll look into it.' "

Murphy would say later about his time in Ukraine that there had been "near panic" in the country during his trip about whether America was really committed to their relationship in part because of delayed aid.

Stalled Ukraine military aid concerned members of Congress for months - CNNPolitics


Your assertion that Ukraine had no idea aid was being held up is just counterfactual nonsense. Why are you peddling this bullshit?

I stand corrected. But thanks for posting this as a confirmation Trump was worried about corruption and we had an agreement with Ukraine to weed out corruption.

Thats just more fantasy. In not a single instance did Trump bring up general corruption concerns on the call. He skipped right on down to talking about his political enemies.

In fact he did the opposite by defending a fired prosecutor who lined his pockets by refusing to posecute cases against wealthy individuals in Ukraine. Prosecutor who's very own deputy quit in protest of this corruption (he was later reinstated to his position by new president Zelenskyy).

Well, good luck trying to find any quid pro quo on Trump. Zelenskyy already stated he was not pressured and no where was money discussed.

Now Biden on the other hand, he's on video bragging about demanding the prosecutor be fired or he wasn't going to give Ukraine a Billion dollars. Now Biden's demanding the lame stream media not book Giuliani as he doesn't want the evidence spattered all over the news.

The damage is done. The leakers will be exposed. Biden will not be the nominee. And the impeachment will energize the Republican base.

And America isn't going to elect one of the down ballot Socialist idiots.

It's all going to come out. The wet dream of impeachment will destroy the Democrats.

 

[AntonToo]

Is that the entirety of your non-argument?

What is your argument? Vague references to perceived violations with no actual backing.

My argument is that Trump commited the high crimes of Obstruction.
You want to read details? Sure go ahead: Did President Trump obstruct justice?

My argument is also that Trump corruptly abused his office in the latest episode of holding up millitary aid to get political favors from Ukraine, see above.

Do us both a favor and reply with something resembling substance in your next post. I know you just want to stick the fingers in your ears and no-no-no-no all day long but given the facts it's just laughable.

The problem with any accusation of the sort is that you run into the argument that what one considers obstruction, others just consider execution of Presidential power.

The only two previous impeachments were for specific acts. For Johnson it was violation of the Tenure of Office act. For Clinton, lying under oath.

Even with the other items added, all of the articles flowed through those two specific actions.

So far we have not seen anything concrete as this with regards to Trump.

Ahh yes, so when the President wanted Flynn's investigation to be squashed by Comey, he was actually acting as a good ol' steward of law, not a corrupt asshole trying to get his GUILTY AS HELL man off the hook.

When he fired Comey under false pretenses, only to later admit that it was actually over the "Russia thing" he was just being a good cop...who had to lie his ass off to the public.

When he ordered WH laywer to begin the process for removal of Special Investigator, he was just trying to help the justice process along.

When he ordered the entry of false records to cover up his efforts to get Mueller removed, he was just doing the right thing.

When he told Attorney General Sessions to ignore DOJ council, un-recuse himself and limit the scope of Special Investigation to only future elections, he was definetly not tending to his own personal interests.


...do you seriously belive such horseshit?

If this was actually letigated in court any jury would convict Trump in all of half an hour on these charges.

How much of your accusations are based on hearsay and opinion, and how much on actual fact?

...these are all events outlined in Special Investigation Report Volume II, based on evidence and direct testimony to the investigators by Trump's people.

We've just had Lewandowski testify before the Congress that everything Mueller's report lays out about Trump asking him to go tell Sessions to unrecuse and limit the investigation(or be fired) is true.

You are just gasping for straws here.

 

[AntonToo]

Dumbass, OF COURSE Ukrainian president knew that.

Help up aid was the context for the call.

In the conversation (which dupes like you should read for yourself instead of relying on Trump's propaganda) Trump specifically talks about how Ukraine is not reciprocating the generous aid United States is providing and then proceeds to tell Ukranian President who Trump wants investigated.

Direct text from transcript:

Trump: United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

Zelenskyy: I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

Trump: I would like you to do us a favor...I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it.

Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation.

Trump: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair....Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man...and I would like him to call you. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that.

Read the transcript of Trump's conversation with Volodymyr Zelensky - CNNPolitics

Wrong again, no where in there does Trump mention holding up money. Ukraine didn't know the money was under review.

...wtf?? the Ukraine had big concerns about about Trump admin delaying aid for months:


In the beginning of September, Johnson and Murphy traveled to Ukraine. When they returned, they both talked to Durbin, an Illinois Democrat and vice chairman of the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee, about the need to make sure Ukraine got their money.

"I will tell you who brought it up to me was Ron Johnson," Durbin said. "He came back from Ukraine and said 'we gotta get this money released.' And, I said, 'I'll look into it.' "

Murphy would say later about his time in Ukraine that there had been "near panic" in the country during his trip about whether America was really committed to their relationship in part because of delayed aid.

Stalled Ukraine military aid concerned members of Congress for months - CNNPolitics


Your assertion that Ukraine had no idea aid was being held up is just counterfactual nonsense. Why are you peddling this bullshit?

I stand corrected. But thanks for posting this as a confirmation Trump was worried about corruption and we had an agreement with Ukraine to weed out corruption.

Thats just more fantasy. In not a single instance did Trump bring up general corruption concerns on the call. He skipped right on down to talking about his political enemies.

In fact he did the opposite by defending a fired prosecutor who lined his pockets by refusing to posecute cases against wealthy individuals in Ukraine. Prosecutor who's very own deputy quit in protest of this corruption (he was later reinstated to his position by new president Zelenskyy).

Zelenskyy already stated he was not pressured and no where was money discussed.

Zelenskyy is not a disinterested party, he has the highest of interest in ensuring that Ukraine remains nuetral and does not step on either Trump's or Biden's toes.

He will publicly double talk all day long to make sure American support and aid to Ukraine is not jeopordized.

 

[AntonToo]

Dumbass, OF COURSE Ukrainian president knew that.

Help up aid was the context for the call.

In the conversation (which dupes like you should read for yourself instead of relying on Trump's propaganda) Trump specifically talks about how Ukraine is not reciprocating the generous aid United States is providing and then proceeds to tell Ukranian President who Trump wants investigated.

Direct text from transcript:

Trump: United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

Zelenskyy: I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

Trump: I would like you to do us a favor...I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it.

Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation.

Trump: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair....Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man...and I would like him to call you. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that.

Read the transcript of Trump's conversation with Volodymyr Zelensky - CNNPolitics

Wrong again, no where in there does Trump mention holding up money. Ukraine didn't know the money was under review.

...wtf?? the Ukraine had big concerns about about Trump admin delaying aid for months:


In the beginning of September, Johnson and Murphy traveled to Ukraine. When they returned, they both talked to Durbin, an Illinois Democrat and vice chairman of the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee, about the need to make sure Ukraine got their money.

"I will tell you who brought it up to me was Ron Johnson," Durbin said. "He came back from Ukraine and said 'we gotta get this money released.' And, I said, 'I'll look into it.' "

Murphy would say later about his time in Ukraine that there had been "near panic" in the country during his trip about whether America was really committed to their relationship in part because of delayed aid.

Stalled Ukraine military aid concerned members of Congress for months - CNNPolitics


Your assertion that Ukraine had no idea aid was being held up is just counterfactual nonsense. Why are you peddling this bullshit?

I stand corrected. But thanks for posting this as a confirmation Trump was worried about corruption and we had an agreement with Ukraine to weed out corruption.

Thats just more fantasy. In not a single instance did Trump bring up general corruption concerns on the call. He skipped right on down to talking about his political enemies.

In fact he did the opposite by defending a fired prosecutor who lined his pockets by refusing to posecute cases against wealthy individuals in Ukraine. Prosecutor who's very own deputy quit in protest of this corruption (he was later reinstated to his position by new president Zelenskyy).

Well, good luck trying to find any quid pro quo on Trump.

Don't need luck - it's right in the basic facts and limited transcript released by Trump's own admin.

The quid is millitary aid and good graces of Trump, the pro is investigation of political opponents.

 

[Ricky LIbtardo]

Wrong again, no where in there does Trump mention holding up money. Ukraine didn't know the money was under review.

...wtf?? the Ukraine had big concerns about about Trump admin delaying aid for months:


In the beginning of September, Johnson and Murphy traveled to Ukraine. When they returned, they both talked to Durbin, an Illinois Democrat and vice chairman of the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee, about the need to make sure Ukraine got their money.

"I will tell you who brought it up to me was Ron Johnson," Durbin said. "He came back from Ukraine and said 'we gotta get this money released.' And, I said, 'I'll look into it.' "

Murphy would say later about his time in Ukraine that there had been "near panic" in the country during his trip about whether America was really committed to their relationship in part because of delayed aid.

Stalled Ukraine military aid concerned members of Congress for months - CNNPolitics


Your assertion that Ukraine had no idea aid was being held up is just counterfactual nonsense. Why are you peddling this bullshit?

I stand corrected. But thanks for posting this as a confirmation Trump was worried about corruption and we had an agreement with Ukraine to weed out corruption.

Thats just more fantasy. In not a single instance did Trump bring up general corruption concerns on the call. He skipped right on down to talking about his political enemies.

In fact he did the opposite by defending a fired prosecutor who lined his pockets by refusing to posecute cases against wealthy individuals in Ukraine. Prosecutor who's very own deputy quit in protest of this corruption (he was later reinstated to his position by new president Zelenskyy).

Well, good luck trying to find any quid pro quo on Trump.

Don't need luck - it's right in the transcript.

Produce it then. No one else has been able to.

 

[AntonToo]

...wtf?? the Ukraine had big concerns about about Trump admin delaying aid for months:


In the beginning of September, Johnson and Murphy traveled to Ukraine. When they returned, they both talked to Durbin, an Illinois Democrat and vice chairman of the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee, about the need to make sure Ukraine got their money.

"I will tell you who brought it up to me was Ron Johnson," Durbin said. "He came back from Ukraine and said 'we gotta get this money released.' And, I said, 'I'll look into it.' "

Murphy would say later about his time in Ukraine that there had been "near panic" in the country during his trip about whether America was really committed to their relationship in part because of delayed aid.

Stalled Ukraine military aid concerned members of Congress for months - CNNPolitics


Your assertion that Ukraine had no idea aid was being held up is just counterfactual nonsense. Why are you peddling this bullshit?

I stand corrected. But thanks for posting this as a confirmation Trump was worried about corruption and we had an agreement with Ukraine to weed out corruption.

Thats just more fantasy. In not a single instance did Trump bring up general corruption concerns on the call. He skipped right on down to talking about his political enemies.

In fact he did the opposite by defending a fired prosecutor who lined his pockets by refusing to posecute cases against wealthy individuals in Ukraine. Prosecutor who's very own deputy quit in protest of this corruption (he was later reinstated to his position by new president Zelenskyy).

Well, good luck trying to find any quid pro quo on Trump.

Don't need luck - it's right in the transcript.

Produce it then. No one else has been able to.

I already did right here in this thread

 

[Ricky LIbtardo]

I stand corrected. But thanks for posting this as a confirmation Trump was worried about corruption and we had an agreement with Ukraine to weed out corruption.

Thats just more fantasy. In not a single instance did Trump bring up general corruption concerns on the call. He skipped right on down to talking about his political enemies.

In fact he did the opposite by defending a fired prosecutor who lined his pockets by refusing to posecute cases against wealthy individuals in Ukraine. Prosecutor who's very own deputy quit in protest of this corruption (he was later reinstated to his position by new president Zelenskyy).

Well, good luck trying to find any quid pro quo on Trump.

Don't need luck - it's right in the transcript.

Produce it then. No one else has been able to.

I already did right here in this thread

Wrong again, no mention of money or aid in exchange for actions on Ukraine's part. Sorry, but just like the collusion delusion this will backfire on the Democrats.

Hell, Trump raised $15 Million in the 48 hours after the wicked witch of the west announced the impeachment inquiry.

50,000 from first time donations.

If you were as smart as you think you are you'd be screaming at Democrats to stop this nonsense.

 

[OldLady]

I stand corrected. But thanks for posting this as a confirmation Trump was worried about corruption and we had an agreement with Ukraine to weed out corruption.

Thats just more fantasy. In not a single instance did Trump bring up general corruption concerns on the call. He skipped right on down to talking about his political enemies.

In fact he did the opposite by defending a fired prosecutor who lined his pockets by refusing to posecute cases against wealthy individuals in Ukraine. Prosecutor who's very own deputy quit in protest of this corruption (he was later reinstated to his position by new president Zelenskyy).

Well, good luck trying to find any quid pro quo on Trump.

Don't need luck - it's right in the transcript.

Produce it then. No one else has been able to.

I already did right here in this thread

There's really no sense trying, Antonoo. The right wingers are starting threads every ten minutes asking, hypothetically, about the impeachment investigation, but they have no interest in the answers.

 

[toobfreak]

Beating Hillaryous in an election is a crime against humanity.

I expect that will be the conclusion of this thread.

Well, that's because it's a pretty stupid thread.

TRANSLATION: I ain't got a clue enough to even lie one up.

 

[Siete]

Thats just more fantasy. In not a single instance did Trump bring up general corruption concerns on the call. He skipped right on down to talking about his political enemies.

In fact he did the opposite by defending a fired prosecutor who lined his pockets by refusing to posecute cases against wealthy individuals in Ukraine. Prosecutor who's very own deputy quit in protest of this corruption (he was later reinstated to his position by new president Zelenskyy).

Well, good luck trying to find any quid pro quo on Trump.

Don't need luck - it's right in the transcript.

Produce it then. No one else has been able to.

I already did right here in this thread

There's really no sense trying, Antonoo. The right wingers are starting threads every ten minutes asking, hypothetically, about the impeachment investigation, but they have no interest in the answers.
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they're f'n RUSSIANS

 

[BrokeLoser]

Thats just more fantasy. In not a single instance did Trump bring up general corruption concerns on the call. He skipped right on down to talking about his political enemies.

In fact he did the opposite by defending a fired prosecutor who lined his pockets by refusing to posecute cases against wealthy individuals in Ukraine. Prosecutor who's very own deputy quit in protest of this corruption (he was later reinstated to his position by new president Zelenskyy).

Well, good luck trying to find any quid pro quo on Trump.

Don't need luck - it's right in the transcript.

Produce it then. No one else has been able to.

I already did right here in this thread

There's really no sense trying, Antonoo. The right wingers are starting threads every ten minutes asking, hypothetically, about the impeachment investigation, but they have no interest in the answers.
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Nobody’s sane can take you koooks serious anymore...there’s too much historical data proving you’ve officially lost all your shit.

 

[AntonToo]

Thats just more fantasy. In not a single instance did Trump bring up general corruption concerns on the call. He skipped right on down to talking about his political enemies.

In fact he did the opposite by defending a fired prosecutor who lined his pockets by refusing to posecute cases against wealthy individuals in Ukraine. Prosecutor who's very own deputy quit in protest of this corruption (he was later reinstated to his position by new president Zelenskyy).

Well, good luck trying to find any quid pro quo on Trump.

Don't need luck - it's right in the transcript.

Produce it then. No one else has been able to.

I already did right here in this thread

Wrong again, no mention of money or aid in exchange for actions on Ukraine's part.

So when Trump talks about Ukraine not reciprocating the generous aid America is providing what the fuck do you think he is talking about?

As Cohen explained in his testimony, Trump conducts his dirty bussiness the way mobsters conduct their bussiness, especially when he knows the conversation is being listened to. He instinctually will try to bake in plausable deniability and will not explicitly state the corrupt bussiness, but still make sure you understand exactly what is at stake and what he wants.

Mobsters do not go around saying "pay us or we'll set your bussiness on fire tommrow", they say things like "oh, what a nice store you have, it would be a shame if something happened to it, so how about you pay us a low monthly payment to protect you?".

Similarly when Trump was asking Comey to squash Flynn's investigation he did not explicitly say that, but instead asked Comey "if you could find a way to let Flynn go".

 

[Papageorgio]

Time to cut thru the hyperbole.

Please provide the exact quotes from the transcripts that show law(s) have been violated.
Not some quote from a talking head, MSM, or Kos, the direct quotes from the transcript.

I’ve asked a number of times and the only response has been ‘we know he did it’

So give us the evidence.

It's right in front of your stupid fucking nose. Keep those eyes shut tight, won't you?
Here are the criminal charges that Trump and his hired thugs Giuliani and Barr could be facing.
The possible crimes in the Trump-Ukraine scandal, explained

But please note that the House can impeach for "violation of the public trust." So either way, the House is acting within its Constitutional powers.

It’s worth noting that the House, which has the sole power to impeach a president, can do so without a finding of criminal wrongdoing by the president. In other words, a president who hasn’t violated the law can still be impeached for “high crimes and misdemeanors,” a term that includes many actual federal crimes but that also includes what Alexander Hamilton described as “abuse or violation of some public trust.”

Vox is an extreme left wing site, it is about as useful as National Review.

However, the House can impeach on any grounds and send it to the Senate where they will decide the fate of the Presidency. If the Democrats impeach and the Senate doesn't find grounds, then the Democrats will be hurt. If the Senate does convicts, then the GOP will wash their hands on Trump and Presidential candidates will line up and Pence will become the President and will also run.

 

[OldLady]

Well, good luck trying to find any quid pro quo on Trump.

Don't need luck - it's right in the transcript.

Produce it then. No one else has been able to.

I already did right here in this thread

There's really no sense trying, Antonoo. The right wingers are starting threads every ten minutes asking, hypothetically, about the impeachment investigation, but they have no interest in the answers.
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they're f'n RUSSIANS

No, but I think they're f'n gullible.

 

[OldLady]

Time to cut thru the hyperbole.

Please provide the exact quotes from the transcripts that show law(s) have been violated.
Not some quote from a talking head, MSM, or Kos, the direct quotes from the transcript.

I’ve asked a number of times and the only response has been ‘we know he did it’

So give us the evidence.

It's right in front of your stupid fucking nose. Keep those eyes shut tight, won't you?
Here are the criminal charges that Trump and his hired thugs Giuliani and Barr could be facing.
The possible crimes in the Trump-Ukraine scandal, explained

But please note that the House can impeach for "violation of the public trust." So either way, the House is acting within its Constitutional powers.

It’s worth noting that the House, which has the sole power to impeach a president, can do so without a finding of criminal wrongdoing by the president. In other words, a president who hasn’t violated the law can still be impeached for “high crimes and misdemeanors,” a term that includes many actual federal crimes but that also includes what Alexander Hamilton described as “abuse or violation of some public trust.”

Vox is an extreme left wing site, it is about as useful as National Review.

However, the House can impeach on any grounds and send it to the Senate where they will decide the fate of the Presidency. If the Democrats impeach and the Senate doesn't find grounds, then the Democrats will be hurt. If the Senate does convicts, then the GOP will wash their hands on Trump and Presidential candidates will line up and Pence will become the President and will also run.

Okay. Alexander Hamilton and lawyers conversant in criminal law as it applies to politicking are no good if Vox publishes them. I should have known.

What source would you believe?

 

[okfine]

Time to cut thru the hyperbole.

Please provide the exact quotes from the transcripts that show law(s) have been violated.
Not some quote from a talking head, MSM, or Kos, the direct quotes from the transcript.

I’ve asked a number of times and the only response has been ‘we know he did it’

So give us the evidence.

Why don't YOU tell US what it say's?

 

[Ricky LIbtardo]

Well, good luck trying to find any quid pro quo on Trump.

Don't need luck - it's right in the transcript.

Produce it then. No one else has been able to.

I already did right here in this thread

Wrong again, no mention of money or aid in exchange for actions on Ukraine's part.

So when Trump talks about Ukraine not reciprocating the generous aid America is providing what the fuck do you think he is talking about?

As Cohen explained in his testimony, Trump conducts his dirty bussiness the way mobsters conduct their bussiness, especially when he knows the conversation is being listened to. He instinctually will try to bake in plausable deniability and will not explicitly state the corrupt bussiness, but still make sure you understand exactly what is at stake and what he wants.

Mobsters do not go around saying "pay us or we'll set your bussiness on fire tommrow", they say things like "oh, what a nice store you have, it would be a shame if something happened to it, so how about you pay us a low monthly payment to protect you?".

Similarly when Trump was asking Comey to squash Flynn's investigation he did not explicitly say that, but instead asked Comey "if you could find a way to let Flynn go".

So what do you call it when Biden says fire the prosecutor or I'm not going to give you a billion dollars.

Hint, a corrupt motherfucker.

 

[AntonToo]

Don't need luck - it's right in the transcript.

Produce it then. No one else has been able to.

I already did right here in this thread

Wrong again, no mention of money or aid in exchange for actions on Ukraine's part.

So when Trump talks about Ukraine not reciprocating the generous aid America is providing what the fuck do you think he is talking about?

As Cohen explained in his testimony, Trump conducts his dirty bussiness the way mobsters conduct their bussiness, especially when he knows the conversation is being listened to. He instinctually will try to bake in plausable deniability and will not explicitly state the corrupt bussiness, but still make sure you understand exactly what is at stake and what he wants.

Mobsters do not go around saying "pay us or we'll set your bussiness on fire tommrow", they say things like "oh, what a nice store you have, it would be a shame if something happened to it, so how about you pay us a low monthly payment to protect you?".

Similarly when Trump was asking Comey to squash Flynn's investigation he did not explicitly say that, but instead asked Comey "if you could find a way to let Flynn go".

So what do you call it when Biden says fire the prosecutor or I'm not going to give you a billion dollars.

Hint, a corrupt motherfucker.

Ukrainian anti-corruption watch groups were ringing the alarms that the prosecutor was corrupt and was lining his pockets by squashing corruption investigations into wealthy Ukranians moguls.

IMF said he was corrupt. DoS said he was corrupt.

Prosecutor's OWN DEPUTY said he was corrupt when he quit in protest. This deputy was reinstated when Zelenskyy became the president.

Here is an article from rightwinger source to set you straight: Trump endorses Ukraine's swamp monster, prosecutor Viktor Shokin

So given all that, I call it GOOD FOREIGN POLICY and good on Biden to get Ukranians to dump that swamper.

What do YOU call it?

 

[Ricky LIbtardo]

Produce it then. No one else has been able to.

I already did right here in this thread

Wrong again, no mention of money or aid in exchange for actions on Ukraine's part.

So when Trump talks about Ukraine not reciprocating the generous aid America is providing what the fuck do you think he is talking about?

As Cohen explained in his testimony, Trump conducts his dirty bussiness the way mobsters conduct their bussiness, especially when he knows the conversation is being listened to. He instinctually will try to bake in plausable deniability and will not explicitly state the corrupt bussiness, but still make sure you understand exactly what is at stake and what he wants.

Mobsters do not go around saying "pay us or we'll set your bussiness on fire tommrow", they say things like "oh, what a nice store you have, it would be a shame if something happened to it, so how about you pay us a low monthly payment to protect you?".

Similarly when Trump was asking Comey to squash Flynn's investigation he did not explicitly say that, but instead asked Comey "if you could find a way to let Flynn go".

So what do you call it when Biden says fire the prosecutor or I'm not going to give you a billion dollars.

Hint, a corrupt motherfucker.

Ukrainian anti-corruption watch groups were ringing the alarms that the prosecutor was corrupt and was lining his pockets by squashing corruption investigations into wealthy Ukranians moguls.

IMF said he was corrupt. DoS said he was corrupt.

Prosecutor's OWN DEPUTY said he was corrupt when he quit in protest. This deputy was reinstated when Zelenskyy became the president.


So given all that I call it GOOD FOREIGN POLICY. What the fuck do YOU call it?

Corruption. Now why don't you tell the class just what qualifications Hunter Biden had to be sitting on the board of an energy company. The only gas he's familiar with is what comes out of his ass.

 

[Desperado]

He beat the Hildabeast in a rigged election and the left has never forgiven him for it.