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GE made over $14 billion in profit in 2010, and paid $0 in taxes.
General Electric Paid No Federal Taxes in 2010 - ABC News
One may be forgiven for suspecting that the USA tax code is stacked against the poor and middle class.
"Or should we realize that the tax code, which was written largely be democrats, picks winners and losers?"
Link, please.
I'd really rather avoid the left/right nonsense in this thread, and focus merely on the concepts involved. In particular, I'm interested in the perceived differences between social justice and ordinary justice. If there is no substantive difference, why do we bother with different terms?
dblack -
While I think most people would agree that there should be a single concept of law and justice for everyone, it also makes complete sense that the extreme injustice and racism such as the US experienced up until the mid-1960's requires special protection for the victims - otherwise the racism would never end.
I would say the same about Jews from 1945, both in Europe and the US.
I don't feel the US now requires special protection for those groups.
It does make me laugh that posters who are probably old enough to remember the Freedom Buses and lynchings seem to think white men need protection from non-whites.
That's not the issue at all. The issue is that "special laws and protections" undermine the concept of equal protection in ways that will come back to haunt us (already are, actually). Corporatism is not a joke. It's serious, and mostly unnoticed, threat to the foundations of liberal democracy.
We used to have laws that guaranteed preferential treatment for white males. We ended up repealing those laws. That didn't mean everyone was now treated equal. We still had a societal preference for white males
Any laws tha attempt to remove that preference are protested by certain rightwing males
dblack -
While I think most people would agree that there should be a single concept of law and justice for everyone, it also makes complete sense that the extreme injustice and racism such as the US experienced up until the mid-1960's requires special protection for the victims - otherwise the racism would never end.
I would say the same about Jews from 1945, both in Europe and the US.
I don't feel the US now requires special protection for those groups.
I agree, but the left wing of our population is determined to use "social justice" to achieve income and wealth equality and to remove individual rights to keep what has been earned.
social justice is marxism in its current form
It is not a question of confiscating existing wealth but one of why our society continues laws and regulations that encourage the rich to get richer?
I agree, but the left wing of our population is determined to use "social justice" to achieve income and wealth equality and to remove individual rights to keep what has been earned.
social justice is marxism in its current form
It is not a question of confiscating existing wealth but one of why our society continues laws and regulations that encourage the rich to get richer?
Shouldn't society encourage everyone to get richer? Maybe the problem is not that the laws encourage rich to get richer, maybe it is that , in attempting to help the poor, we are actually discouraging them from getting rich.
Absolutely a tax code that allows the wealthy to pay the lowest tax rates in history.
Add in subsidies, easing of environmental regulations, labor laws, holding down the minimum wage, access to lobbyists
Agreed (with the exception of the "holding down the minimum wage" - no law does that). Unequal treatment under the law isn't just 'social' injustice, it's a plain old injustice. And that's what we should be fighting - both left and right.
Instead, we're rapidly descending into a mode of government where unequal treatment is SOP.
Redistribution of wealth is already happening. It is moving from the working class to our wealthiest Americans. Why are we continuing policies that contribute to it?
GE made over $14 billion in profit in 2010, and paid $0 in taxes.
General Electric Paid No Federal Taxes in 2010 - ABC News
One may be forgiven for suspecting that the USA tax code is stacked against the poor and middle class.
I agree, but the left wing of our population is determined to use "social justice" to achieve income and wealth equality and to remove individual rights to keep what has been earned.
social justice is marxism in its current form
It is not a question of confiscating existing wealth but one of why our society continues laws and regulations that encourage the rich to get richer?
Shouldn't society encourage everyone to get richer? Maybe the problem is not that the laws encourage rich to get richer, maybe it is that , in attempting to help the poor, we are actually discouraging them from getting rich.
If we were to tax everyone at a flat rate of, say, 10% the the rich would be pying many times more than the poor and middle class.
10% of $15000 = $1500
10% 0f $60000 = $6000
10% of $ 1000000 = $100000
10% of $100000000 = $10000000
And for corporations 10% of $50000000000 = $5000000000
Is that just? Is it fair?
From my understanding, one of the distinguishing priorities of modern liberal/progressives is the desire to pursue "social justice" as a policy goal of government. In another thread, it was suggested that this term has been polluted by propagandists. I wasn't really aware that there was any dispute as to it's meaning, but the issue seems worthy of it's own thread.
So, what is social justice? How does it differ from ordinary justice? Is it something we should work toward as a society? Is it something for which government should be responsible?
If we were to tax everyone at a flat rate of, say, 10% the the rich would be pying many times more than the poor and middle class.
10% of $15000 = $1500
10% 0f $60000 = $6000
10% of $ 1000000 = $100000
10% of $100000000 = $10000000
And for corporations 10% of $50000000000 = $5000000000
Is that just? Is it fair?
Hell, no! But such is still not considered "fair" by the liberal/progressive establishment.
It is not a question of confiscating existing wealth but one of why our society continues laws and regulations that encourage the rich to get richer?
Shouldn't society encourage everyone to get richer? Maybe the problem is not that the laws encourage rich to get richer, maybe it is that , in attempting to help the poor, we are actually discouraging them from getting rich.
That is so true...
We need to ensure that wealth is concentrated at the top. That way it will trickle down in wealth and prosperity for all. No poor person ever gave me a job.....
Am I right? Am I right?
GE made over $14 billion in profit in 2010, and paid $0 in taxes.
General Electric Paid No Federal Taxes in 2010 - ABC News
One may be forgiven for suspecting that the USA tax code is stacked against the poor and middle class.
The paid so little in taxes because the tax bill for corporations is complicated by the tax code, and it literally takes years, sometimes decades, to figure out exactly how much they owe. In the meantime, they sill have to pay estimated taxes on their dross income, and the government gets to keep that until they decide how much they actually owe.
