South Carolina schools may teach gun safety and training

[WinterBorn]

Bullshit. Care to post an accidental shooting circumstance that cannot be, at least partially, attributed to failure to follow basic gun safety rules?

That would not be hard at all, if I cared that much, and I don't.

LMAO!! So it would be easy to refute my claim, but you don't want to do so. lol

I guess my claim stands then.

No, it doesn't. Start here: 13 of the Most Tragic and Horrifying Gun Accidents in 2014 Alternet

Yes it does. Here are the basic safety rules: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/GunSafety.pdf

Each of those tragic shooting could have been prevented if the gun owners followed the rules listed there.

For example, the woman who shot herself in the car "1) Woman Preparing to Shoot Ferguson Protesters Accidentally Shoots Self", broke several rules. I-1.Always point the muzzle in
a safe direction; never point a firearm at anyone or anything you don't want to shoot.
2.Keep your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.
3.Keep the action open and the gun unloaded until you are ready to use it.
and
II-6. Never joke around or engage in horseplay while handling or using firearms.

The rest also could have only happened if the basic safety rules were broken.

Where's the rule that says you don't let an 8-year-old with a gun instructor standing beside her fire an Uzi at a gun range? Or the one that says you can't carry a gun in your pants?

Did you look at the link I posted for gun safety rules?

 

[WinterBorn]

What number is 32,000??

Deaths attributed to firearms US currently. All deaths. 22,000 suicides, 800 accidents, and ~10,000 murders = 32,000. Look It Up and Do The Math, I'm not telling you again.

I used 32,000 several times, and you ranted about it not being accurate. I boosted the numbers in your favor, and you still bitch?

I stated that it was less than 0.1%. It is. Case closed.

You are mixing people up. I never use any number higher than 32,000, because that, unlike your numbers, is the accurate one.

Yep, and my statement that the 32,000 was less than 1/10th of 1% was accurate.

No, it's not accurate you fucking dummy. The real number is the "accurate" one. Yours is bullshit.

Is the actual number 0.1% or greater? No. So it is less than 0.1%.

 

[WinterBorn]

What number is 32,000??

Deaths attributed to firearms US currently. All deaths. 22,000 suicides, 800 accidents, and ~10,000 murders = 32,000. Look It Up and Do The Math, I'm not telling you again.

I used 32,000 several times, and you ranted about it not being accurate. I boosted the numbers in your favor, and you still bitch?

I stated that it was less than 0.1%. It is. Case closed.

You are mixing people up. I never use any number higher than 32,000, because that, unlike your numbers, is the accurate one.

Yep, and my statement that the 32,000 was less than 1/10th of 1% was accurate.

No, it's not accurate you fucking dummy. The real number is the "accurate" one. Yours is bullshit. It's like saying less then 50% of teenage girls get pregnant each year, when the accurate number is 1/10 of that.

You ignorant putz. Why do you think they have the mathematical symbols "<" and ">"?

I do not have the numbers memorized, so I use < to make the point.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Deaths attributed to firearms US currently. All deaths. 22,000 suicides, 800 accidents, and ~10,000 murders = 32,000. Look It Up and Do The Math, I'm not telling you again.

I used 32,000 several times, and you ranted about it not being accurate. I boosted the numbers in your favor, and you still bitch?

I stated that it was less than 0.1%. It is. Case closed.

You are mixing people up. I never use any number higher than 32,000, because that, unlike your numbers, is the accurate one.

Yep, and my statement that the 32,000 was less than 1/10th of 1% was accurate.

No, it's not accurate you fucking dummy. The real number is the "accurate" one. Yours is bullshit.

Is the actual number 0.1% or greater? No. So it is less than 0.1%.

It's not just less dumbass, IT'S VASTLY LESS. Use Accurate Numbers.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

That would not be hard at all, if I cared that much, and I don't.

LMAO!! So it would be easy to refute my claim, but you don't want to do so. lol

I guess my claim stands then.

No, it doesn't. Start here: 13 of the Most Tragic and Horrifying Gun Accidents in 2014 Alternet

Yes it does. Here are the basic safety rules: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/GunSafety.pdf

Each of those tragic shooting could have been prevented if the gun owners followed the rules listed there.

For example, the woman who shot herself in the car "1) Woman Preparing to Shoot Ferguson Protesters Accidentally Shoots Self", broke several rules. I-1.Always point the muzzle in
a safe direction; never point a firearm at anyone or anything you don't want to shoot.
2.Keep your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.
3.Keep the action open and the gun unloaded until you are ready to use it.
and
II-6. Never joke around or engage in horseplay while handling or using firearms.

The rest also could have only happened if the basic safety rules were broken.

Where's the rule that says you don't let an 8-year-old with a gun instructor standing beside her fire an Uzi at a gun range? Or the one that says you can't carry a gun in your pants?

Did you look at the link I posted for gun safety rules?

Yep, so of those two examples I gave you tell me which of those rules they broke?

 

[WinterBorn]

LMAO!! So it would be easy to refute my claim, but you don't want to do so. lol

I guess my claim stands then.

No, it doesn't. Start here: 13 of the Most Tragic and Horrifying Gun Accidents in 2014 Alternet

Yes it does. Here are the basic safety rules: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/GunSafety.pdf

Each of those tragic shooting could have been prevented if the gun owners followed the rules listed there.

For example, the woman who shot herself in the car "1) Woman Preparing to Shoot Ferguson Protesters Accidentally Shoots Self", broke several rules. I-1.Always point the muzzle in
a safe direction; never point a firearm at anyone or anything you don't want to shoot.
2.Keep your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.
3.Keep the action open and the gun unloaded until you are ready to use it.
and
II-6. Never joke around or engage in horseplay while handling or using firearms.

The rest also could have only happened if the basic safety rules were broken.

Where's the rule that says you don't let an 8-year-old with a gun instructor standing beside her fire an Uzi at a gun range? Or the one that says you can't carry a gun in your pants?

Did you look at the link I posted for gun safety rules?

Yep, so of those two examples I gave you tell me which of those rules they broke?

I listed 4 rules the first example broke.

Of the 13 tragic shootings you listed here are at least 1 rule each broke:

#1) I already listed 4
#2) The gun was hidden but not secure and had a round in the chamber.
#3) He pointed the gun at his own face.
#4) He had a round in the chamber.
#5) The gun was hidden but not secure and had a round in the chamber
#6) He was carrying a loaded gun in his pocket with a round in the chamber.
#7) He was cleaning a loaded weapon.
#8) Was not an accident but an intentional shooting.
#9) (there is no #9 on your list)
#10) Again, cleaning a loaded gun.
#11) Pointed a loaded gun at something he did not intend to shoot.
#12) Stupid situation -
#13) Yet again, cleaning a loaded gun.

 

[WinterBorn]

I used 32,000 several times, and you ranted about it not being accurate. I boosted the numbers in your favor, and you still bitch?

I stated that it was less than 0.1%. It is. Case closed.

You are mixing people up. I never use any number higher than 32,000, because that, unlike your numbers, is the accurate one.

Yep, and my statement that the 32,000 was less than 1/10th of 1% was accurate.

No, it's not accurate you fucking dummy. The real number is the "accurate" one. Yours is bullshit.

Is the actual number 0.1% or greater? No. So it is less than 0.1%.

It's not just less dumbass, IT'S VASTLY LESS. Use Accurate Numbers.

My statement makes a point. That it is less than 0.1% shows it to be a very small number without having to remember a 9 digit number.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Explain how you are not at least partly at faut when your child dies because you chose to keep him ignorant.

Because kids shouldn't be around loaded guns left unattended.

And how are you not at all at fault because you refused to give your child the knowledge necessary to safe;y handle being around a loaded gun?

Because I'm not putting my kid around loaded guns.

You have no way of making sure your kids will never be around loaded guns.
I thusly ask again:
How are you not at all at fault because you refused to give your child the knowledge necessary to safe;y handle being around a loaded gun?[

Because gun owners should be responsible for their guns. Why is that a difficult concept for you?

Because you apparently believe that parents have no responsibility to teach their kids basic skills they need to survive and are not in any way responsible for what happens to their kids when they refuse to do so.
Yours is is a position of negligence and abuse.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No, it doesn't. Start here: 13 of the Most Tragic and Horrifying Gun Accidents in 2014 Alternet

Yes it does. Here are the basic safety rules: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/GunSafety.pdf

Each of those tragic shooting could have been prevented if the gun owners followed the rules listed there.

For example, the woman who shot herself in the car "1) Woman Preparing to Shoot Ferguson Protesters Accidentally Shoots Self", broke several rules. I-1.Always point the muzzle in
a safe direction; never point a firearm at anyone or anything you don't want to shoot.
2.Keep your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.
3.Keep the action open and the gun unloaded until you are ready to use it.
and
II-6. Never joke around or engage in horseplay while handling or using firearms.

The rest also could have only happened if the basic safety rules were broken.

Where's the rule that says you don't let an 8-year-old with a gun instructor standing beside her fire an Uzi at a gun range? Or the one that says you can't carry a gun in your pants?

Did you look at the link I posted for gun safety rules?

Yep, so of those two examples I gave you tell me which of those rules they broke?

I listed 4 rules the first example broke.

Of the 13 tragic shootings you listed here are at least 1 rule each broke:

#1) I already listed 4
#2) The gun was hidden but not secure and had a round in the chamber.
#3) He pointed the gun at his own face.
#4) He had a round in the chamber.
#5) The gun was hidden but not secure and had a round in the chamber
#6) He was carrying a loaded gun in his pocket with a round in the chamber.
#7) He was cleaning a loaded weapon.
#8) Was not an accident but an intentional shooting.
#9) (there is no #9 on your list)
#10) Again, cleaning a loaded gun.
#11) Pointed a loaded gun at something he did not intend to shoot.
#12) Stupid situation -
#13) Yet again, cleaning a loaded gun.

"12) 9-Year-Old Girl Accidentally Shoots and Kills Her Gun Instructor"

Let's work with just 12 for now. What rule of gun safety was broken?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You are mixing people up. I never use any number higher than 32,000, because that, unlike your numbers, is the accurate one.

Yep, and my statement that the 32,000 was less than 1/10th of 1% was accurate.

No, it's not accurate you fucking dummy. The real number is the "accurate" one. Yours is bullshit.

Is the actual number 0.1% or greater? No. So it is less than 0.1%.

It's not just less dumbass, IT'S VASTLY LESS. Use Accurate Numbers.

My statement makes a point. That it is less than 0.1% shows it to be a very small number without having to remember a 9 digit number.

I'll help you out, yet again. Your number equals 650,000. Tell us, is using the number 650,000 accurate when the actual number is 32,000? Care to guess what percentage you are off by? It has four digits.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I taught my kids "gun safety" a long time ago.

It went something like this; kids, if you are at one of your friends homes and he/she takes out mom or dads gun, get the fuck away from them as fast as you can and call me to come get you. This was when they were pretty young.

At high school age, I taught them that IF they were in school and heard repeated popping sounds, to get outside ASAP and hide. If they can't get outside, find as secure a room as they can and hide.

When my adult daughter was working as a bar tender in a rather violent bar, I told her that if she sees a person with a gun to run out the back and hide or hit the floor and crawl away to an exit. While calling 911 on the cell.

I taught my kids how to load/unload a gun, put the safety on, leave an empty chamber on a revolver for a safety.
How to shoot and hit what they aim at.

I taught them that guns are tools. That they aren't to be worshiped, played with or fondled. They are to be used with the utmost care and respect because guns have the ability to kill you or someone else without much effort.

That was my gun safety training program. And I sure don't want the schools doing what I should do as a parent.
My kids lives are my responsibility. Not the schools.

Ace apparently believe her kids do not need this sort of training - indeed, she chooses to keep her children ignorant in this regard - and then believes that she bears no responsibility for her child accidentally shooting himself.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Does not matter at all. The number, 0.0492308%, is smaller than 0.1%. Which is exactly what I said.

It does matter because it's fucking dumb. Do the fucking math for once.

You fucking retard. I did the math. I made the statement that the number is less than 0.1%. You claimed I suck at math and that I should divide 32,000 by 65,000,000. I did and the number, 0.0492308%, is less than 0.1%, just as I stated.

Those numbers are not even on the same planet let alone in the same neighborhood. Use Accurate Numbers, period.

Which numbers??? You said divide 32,000 by 65 million.

I originally stated all murders, accidental shooting deaths and gun suicides. That would be 9,200 + 800 + 32,000. Which equals 42,000. If you divide 42,000 by 65 million you get 0.000646154 or 0.0646154%. And my original point still stands.

The number is currently 32,000, not 42,000 for one. And the .00 whatever is the number you should use, and no other. Got it now, dummy?

32000/65000000 is not 0.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes it does. Here are the basic safety rules: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/GunSafety.pdf

Each of those tragic shooting could have been prevented if the gun owners followed the rules listed there.

For example, the woman who shot herself in the car "1) Woman Preparing to Shoot Ferguson Protesters Accidentally Shoots Self", broke several rules. I-1.Always point the muzzle in
a safe direction; never point a firearm at anyone or anything you don't want to shoot.
2.Keep your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.
3.Keep the action open and the gun unloaded until you are ready to use it.
and
II-6. Never joke around or engage in horseplay while handling or using firearms.

The rest also could have only happened if the basic safety rules were broken.

Where's the rule that says you don't let an 8-year-old with a gun instructor standing beside her fire an Uzi at a gun range? Or the one that says you can't carry a gun in your pants?

Did you look at the link I posted for gun safety rules?

Yep, so of those two examples I gave you tell me which of those rules they broke?

I listed 4 rules the first example broke.

Of the 13 tragic shootings you listed here are at least 1 rule each broke:

#1) I already listed 4
#2) The gun was hidden but not secure and had a round in the chamber.
#3) He pointed the gun at his own face.
#4) He had a round in the chamber.
#5) The gun was hidden but not secure and had a round in the chamber
#6) He was carrying a loaded gun in his pocket with a round in the chamber.
#7) He was cleaning a loaded weapon.
#8) Was not an accident but an intentional shooting.
#9) (there is no #9 on your list)
#10) Again, cleaning a loaded gun.
#11) Pointed a loaded gun at something he did not intend to shoot.
#12) Stupid situation -
#13) Yet again, cleaning a loaded gun.

"12) 9-Year-Old Girl Accidentally Shoots and Kills Her Gun Instructor"

Let's work with just 12 for now. What rule of gun safety was broken?

For now? lol No mention of the other 11 that would have been prevented by following basic safety rules?

For one thing, the instructor had to have been in an unsafe position in order for the climb on the weapon to put a bullet in his head.

For another thing, the girl obviously did not understand the operation of the weapon or she would have known what the recoil would do on full auto.

More?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Exactly what is the downside of teaching this class? It is an elective and only 1 semester. There are obvious advantages, from a safety standpoint. If funding were not the issue, and I see no reason it would be difficult to get NRA or other qualified instructors.
But what are reasons anyone would have for not wanting this class?

More kids dying in gun accidents = greater hope for more laws to limit the 2A rights of the law abiding.
Like we see whenever a school is shot up, anti-gun loons are more than happy to use dead kids to push their agenda.

 

[candycorn]

Leftist fanatics have been trying for years to keep people, especially children, away from any hint that guns might actually be useful for good purposes. They have striven unceasingly to keep people terrified at even the slightest mention of a gun, and making sure that no one would have the slightest idea what to do if they actually see a gun (in a gun store or a friend's hands etc.).

Now South Carolina is proposing that children get basic gun and safety training in school - something that used to be common at schools just a few generations ago.

If it passes, this would undermine the left's entire agenda of keeping people terrified of guns. If people - especially children - start realizing that guns are no more dangerous than automobiles or power saws, the leftists will have no end of difficulty restricting or banning them. And if normal people find that guns can actually make societies safer when criminals become afraid of assaulting or robbing a person who might have one and knows how to use it... they might start finding they have no use for leftists any more.

Count on this initiative to be fought with everything the leftists can bring to bear: Insults, screaming, fear, lying, etc. (In other words, they will act as they always do. Only more so.)

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SC Schools May Teach Gun Training

SC Schools May Teach Gun Training
House bill calls for 3-week study of 2nd Amendment

By Arden Dier, Newser Staff
Posted Jan 9, 2015 8:12 AM CST

(Newser) – Two new bills could bring gun education, including gun training, to South Carolina students. The first is from Rep. Alan Clemmons, who tells WCIV that teachers don't focus enough on the Second Amendment, and that a lack of knowledge about guns and gun safety implies "the gun is an evil object." He cites the example of a student who got into trouble after writing a story about shooting a dinosaur. Zero-tolerance policies are misguided, says Clemmons, whose bill would have students spend three weeks learning about guns and gun safety each year, based on a curriculum backed by the NRA, the Greenville News reports.

Some aren't keen about involving the NRA in state education, but that's hardly the only element of contention. Clemmons' bill would also create a Second Amendment Awareness Day in all state schools, as well as a poster or essay contest with the theme "The Right to Bear Arms: One American Right Protecting All Others," to be held on Dec. 15. The date has drawn criticism because it's one day after the Sandy Hook school shooting anniversary, though Clemmons says he's open to changing it.

Not the worst idea. Wish they wouldn't do it as core but as an elective...why not?

It's more useful than football.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No, they cannot be, ever.

Yes they can. The every accidental shooting death or injury can be, at least partially, attributed to failure to follow basic gun safety rules.

No, that is also not true, but it sounds good to you so there you go.

Bullshit. Care to post an accidental shooting circumstance that cannot be, at least partially, attributed to failure to follow basic gun safety rules?

That would not be hard at all, if I cared that much, and I don't.

LMAO!! So it would be easy to refute my claim, but you don't want to do so. lol

I guess my claim stands then.

You know that you're arguing with someone that chooses to be wrong-- right?

 

[WinterBorn]

Yep, and my statement that the 32,000 was less than 1/10th of 1% was accurate.

No, it's not accurate you fucking dummy. The real number is the "accurate" one. Yours is bullshit.

Is the actual number 0.1% or greater? No. So it is less than 0.1%.

It's not just less dumbass, IT'S VASTLY LESS. Use Accurate Numbers.

My statement makes a point. That it is less than 0.1% shows it to be a very small number without having to remember a 9 digit number.

I'll help you out, yet again. Your number equals 650,000. Tell us, is using the number 650,000 accurate when the actual number is 32,000? Care to guess what percentage you are off by? It has four digits.

650,000 is what?? There are an estimated 65 million private gun owners in the US. Divide that number by the number of gun related deaths, or 32,000, and you have less than 0.1%.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes they can. The every accidental shooting death or injury can be, at least partially, attributed to failure to follow basic gun safety rules.

No, that is also not true, but it sounds good to you so there you go.

Bullshit. Care to post an accidental shooting circumstance that cannot be, at least partially, attributed to failure to follow basic gun safety rules?

That would not be hard at all, if I cared that much, and I don't.

LMAO!! So it would be easy to refute my claim, but you don't want to do so. lol

I guess my claim stands then.

You know that you're arguing with someone that chooses to be wrong-- right?

Yes I do. But there may be people reading this that are unaware of how rare gun deaths are compared to the number of gun owners there are in the US. I'm here to help them. Plus it is amusing to see PMH dance trying to come up with something valid.

 

[WinterBorn]

Leftist fanatics have been trying for years to keep people, especially children, away from any hint that guns might actually be useful for good purposes. They have striven unceasingly to keep people terrified at even the slightest mention of a gun, and making sure that no one would have the slightest idea what to do if they actually see a gun (in a gun store or a friend's hands etc.).

Now South Carolina is proposing that children get basic gun and safety training in school - something that used to be common at schools just a few generations ago.

If it passes, this would undermine the left's entire agenda of keeping people terrified of guns. If people - especially children - start realizing that guns are no more dangerous than automobiles or power saws, the leftists will have no end of difficulty restricting or banning them. And if normal people find that guns can actually make societies safer when criminals become afraid of assaulting or robbing a person who might have one and knows how to use it... they might start finding they have no use for leftists any more.

Count on this initiative to be fought with everything the leftists can bring to bear: Insults, screaming, fear, lying, etc. (In other words, they will act as they always do. Only more so.)

---------------------------------------------

SC Schools May Teach Gun Training

SC Schools May Teach Gun Training
House bill calls for 3-week study of 2nd Amendment

By Arden Dier, Newser Staff
Posted Jan 9, 2015 8:12 AM CST

(Newser) – Two new bills could bring gun education, including gun training, to South Carolina students. The first is from Rep. Alan Clemmons, who tells WCIV that teachers don't focus enough on the Second Amendment, and that a lack of knowledge about guns and gun safety implies "the gun is an evil object." He cites the example of a student who got into trouble after writing a story about shooting a dinosaur. Zero-tolerance policies are misguided, says Clemmons, whose bill would have students spend three weeks learning about guns and gun safety each year, based on a curriculum backed by the NRA, the Greenville News reports.

Some aren't keen about involving the NRA in state education, but that's hardly the only element of contention. Clemmons' bill would also create a Second Amendment Awareness Day in all state schools, as well as a poster or essay contest with the theme "The Right to Bear Arms: One American Right Protecting All Others," to be held on Dec. 15. The date has drawn criticism because it's one day after the Sandy Hook school shooting anniversary, though Clemmons says he's open to changing it.

Not the worst idea. Wish they wouldn't do it as core but as an elective...why not?

It's more useful than football.

What I have read said it would be an elective.

 

[jknowgood]

I don't always carry, just when I go to the liberal side of town. You know the slums.

So, now the big tough guy is afraid of liberals

Must be tough to go through life in fear

Haven't met one on here i'm afraid of, but say if I'm in a great liberal town like Detroit. You may want to carry, but where I live no need to carry.

You must be pretty skeered if you need a gun gun to go out in public

Most of us chickenshit liberals can go through life without it

Yeah you probably can, but if you ever are at the wrong place at the wrong time. A conservative might save your worthless ass. Just saying.

And he may just shoot himself in the foot or kill an innocent person

Yeah, most mass shootings happen in gun free zones.