Stop calling Dreamers "illegal".

[Liquid Reigns]

Are y'all familiar with the term...

de fac·to
ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

1. in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
   
   DACA kids are de facto citizens of the U.S.
   
   --they know no other country, pay taxes, serve in the OUR military and are better American citizens than the xenophobes and bigots who want them deported...
   
   The typical Trump xenophobe is a bitter pathetic failure in life who wants to blame their own lack of accomplishments on someone else. Most are not smart enough, educated enough, or hard working enough to accomplish what DACA kids have.
   
   DACA kids represent the best of us. We should focus on getting rid of the ugly vile racists who drag our country down under the guise of making it great.
   
   
   FACTS:
   
   Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
   
   Eligibility
   To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[38] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[3]
   
   In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[39][38]
   
   To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:
   
   
   • Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
   • Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
   • Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
   • Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
   • Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
   • Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
   • Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety
   
   
   

900 out of 800,000 have served in the military, uh that's not a great percentage, so stop lying about it.

900 haven't served in the military, in fact none of the DACA recipients have served, legally they can't as they are still illegal immigrants. They have signed contracts to join, yet they can't get into basic training until they become legal, thus after 2 years of a signed contract that contract will become null and void.

except that isn't true:

The [900] DACA enlistees are part of a Pentagon pilot project called Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest. The program waives certain citizenship requirements for green card holders, refugees and DACA recipients with skills that the military considers essential to the national interest.


The group includes doctors, nurses, and service members with proficiency in a language considered to be of strategic importance. Spanish is not one of those languages, but Arabic, Russian, Chinese and Korean are.

Homeland Security spokesman Dave Lapan said his agency and the Pentagon were still reviewing how to handle the military status of DACA recipients who are serving.


Trump administration struggles with fate of 900 DREAMers serving in the military

They are not serving, go look up how many are in that program , you might find 1 or 2. You will find very few immigrants at all, as it requires specialty languages in order to get in. There are no DACA Doctors nor Nurses in it. Like your link says, Spanish isn't a language that would qualify.

I did look it up. that's where the 900 came from. again, the article says what it says. that's from USA today, a pretty middle America paper.

DACA recipients speak English. they were raised here. some of them don't even speak the language of their country of birth.

is there some reason you feel bound to lie about this?

Calling me a liar is hilarious. Do you not understand that the MAVNI program is discontinued? Do you not understand that an illegal (including DACA) can not join the US Military at all? Your link is what is lying to you. You haven't looked anything up (now you're the one lying), because had you actually looked it up you would have come to the realization that your claim is that of ignorance and your links author didn't do any research on it either. When you rely on some authors ignorance, what does that make you?

 

[TheDude]

He can't. Here's the truth:

Tucker Carlson?

Post your data that disproves Tucker's.

I already did - Need more?

Wanna cut crime? Let in more immigrants, legal and illegal
Are undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crime?
Analysis | Trump’s claim that immigrants bring ‘tremendous crime’ is still wrong
The DREAMer Incarceration Rate

No you didn't. You provided a liberal idea of some BS that occurred before we really knew. Perhaps apply some critical thought. Does it make sense in your mind illegals would be law-abiding to begin with?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Are y'all familiar with the term...

de fac·to
ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

1. in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
   
   DACA kids are de facto citizens of the U.S.
   
   --they know no other country, pay taxes, serve in the OUR military and are better American citizens than the xenophobes and bigots who want them deported...
   
   The typical Trump xenophobe is a bitter pathetic failure in life who wants to blame their own lack of accomplishments on someone else. Most are not smart enough, educated enough, or hard working enough to accomplish what DACA kids have.
   
   DACA kids represent the best of us. We should focus on getting rid of the ugly vile racists who drag our country down under the guise of making it great.
   
   
   FACTS:
   
   Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
   
   Eligibility
   To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[38] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[3]
   
   In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[39][38]
   
   To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:
   
   
   • Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
   • Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
   • Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
   • Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
   • Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
   • Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
   • Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety
   
   
   

Haha, good joke.

45% of Trump voters held a college degree,

Understanding The Trump Vote

5% of DACA people have college degrees.

9 things you need to know to understand DACA and the DREAMers

 

[Lastamender]

No, the Democrats have shut down the government because President Trump won’t offer instant, unconditional citizenship to people whose parents snuck them into the country. Oh yes, and then reward those same parents with citizenship! All of this without any commitment to securing America’s borders, or limiting the wave of low-skill workers that has kept blue collar wages effectively flat for the past 40 years.

Democrats want to just hand out U.S. citizenship like a t-ball participation trophy. That’s the same citizenship my ancestors were denied until the 14th Amendment, and couldn’t fully exercise until the Voting Rights Act. Which mostly Democrats opposed. Today’s Democrats see people in poor countries as future registered Democrats, and they want to hustle as many in as they can, the country be damned.

That’s why the Democrats are shutting down the government, using the filibuster. Remember that? It’s what Strom Thurmond used to try to stop the Civil Rights Act.

Some things never change.

They better worry about the Black vote. There is no argument on who is sending them to the back of the bus now.

Republicans will be letting Blacks know where they stand.
The Democrats Care More About Importing New Voters than About Black American Lives and Families

 

[toomuchtime_]

Are y'all familiar with the term...

de fac·to
ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

1. in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
   
   DACA kids are de facto citizens of the U.S.
   
   --they know no other country, pay taxes, serve in the OUR military and are better American citizens than the xenophobes and bigots who want them deported...
   
   The typical Trump xenophobe is a bitter pathetic failure in life who wants to blame their own lack of accomplishments on someone else. Most are not smart enough, educated enough, or hard working enough to accomplish what DACA kids have.
   
   DACA kids represent the best of us. We should focus on getting rid of the ugly vile racists who drag our country down under the guise of making it great.
   
   
   FACTS:
   
   Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
   
   Eligibility
   To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[38] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[3]
   
   In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[39][38]
   
   To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:
   
   
   • Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
   • Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
   • Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
   • Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
   • Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
   • Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
   • Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety
   
   
   

Like it or not, they are illegal, although through no fault of their own, and they are subject to deportation. I think most people would favor giving them a path to citizenship on an individual basis if there are no reasons not to, but doing so sends a message to others south of the border that if they can get here with their children, in ten years their children will also be allowed to stay here, and such a message must be balanced with measures to greatly reduce the number of illegals who are able to get here.

That's exactly what President Trump has proposed. He will support legislation to allow the "dreamers" to stay if Congress will provide funding for a border wall. That way the message a "dreamers" act would send to encourage illegal immigration would be balanced by a strong measure to make illegal immigration difficult. The Democrats, on the other hand, seem to be opposed to any measures to reduce illegal immigration, even at the cost of the dreamers being deported.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Are y'all familiar with the term...

de fac·to
ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

1. in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
   
   DACA kids are de facto citizens of the U.S.
   
   --they know no other country, pay taxes, serve in the OUR military and are better American citizens than the xenophobes and bigots who want them deported...
   
   The typical Trump xenophobe is a bitter pathetic failure in life who wants to blame their own lack of accomplishments on someone else. Most are not smart enough, educated enough, or hard working enough to accomplish what DACA kids have.
   
   DACA kids represent the best of us. We should focus on getting rid of the ugly vile racists who drag our country down under the guise of making it great.
   
   
   FACTS:
   
   Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
   
   Eligibility
   To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[38] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[3]
   
   In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[39][38]
   
   To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:
   
   
   • Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
   • Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
   • Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
   • Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
   • Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
   • Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
   • Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety
   
   
   

There is no such thing as a de facto citizen, you either are or you are not. Illegal aliens are not.

Dumb fuck progressives

Well, the Democrats don't want a border wall and don't want illegals who have made into the US deported and they want them to be eligible for all benefits and privileges of citizens, so a de facto citizen is what the Democrats want to make of all illegals in the US and all the people want to enter the US illegally.

 

[MaryL]

I am a dreamer, I dream of the day we stop excusing illegals, and stop making their children the next hedge fund kids of illegals. It's to bad about that, their parents ignore immigration law. I am suffering from compassion overload. I don't care anymore. Mexicans aren't immune to immigration penalties. Boo free kin ho. It's time to pay the bloody piper.

 

[MaryL]

I live with illegal alien Mexicans and their kids. But Rich whites that own businesses live in secluded gated communities. Hire illegal aliens from mexico because...well, you know because...Nobody will do their dirty jobs accept illegal mexicans without fair pay or unions. So, the children of illegals are paying for their parents willingness to be exploited? Blame your parents, kidos. Blame the rich white power establishment for putting the rest of us behind the eightball.

 

[MaryL]

I am a dreamer, I dream of the day we stop excusing illegals, and stop making their children the next hedge fund kids of illegals. It's to bad about that, their parents ignore immigration law. I am suffering from compassion overload. I don't care anymore. Mexicans aren't immune to immigration penalties. Boo- free- kin ho. It's time to pay the bloody piper.

 

[Unkotare]

The OP is inaccurate, ignorant, and misguided.

 

[Unkotare]

Why do liberals think everyone who owns a business lives in a gated community?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

 

[Circe]

Chuck Schumer’s three decades of immigration lies
Will we let him lie us into the end of America?

Chuck Schumer's three decades of immigration lies

Chuck Schumer can't win unlimited power without illegal aliens voting. He knows that, so he supports illegal aliens voting Dem, as in California in 2016. This is pretty rotten.

 

[Circe]

Stop being foolish. The statistics have recently been revealed showing illegals commit FAR MORE FEDERAL CRIME than U.S. citizens. Common sense should have told you that to begin with. States that track the data show the same.

Sure. Mexican criminals run north of the border just like American criiminals in the old days more than now, ran South of the Border, Down Mexico Way.....we even have songs. And the Mexican criminals rape, murder, shoot Americans on the waterfront in California --- they just have a big old time with their gangs and robberies and murders. Why do we let this happen? Because the Dems want the votes: they can't take power for socialism and communism without illegal aliens voting for them, as with Hillary and all the illegals voting in California. Well, that didn't work, quite, but it may next time, if we don't stop this.

 

[Circe]

DACA gave them status . So they aren’t “illegal” in the immigration world.

They should all be deported. Their parents brought them here illegally and that is not our fault. Send them back, soonest.

 

[buckeye45_73]

No, the Democrats have shut down the government because President Trump won’t offer instant, unconditional citizenship to people whose parents snuck them into the country. Oh yes, and then reward those same parents with citizenship! All of this without any commitment to securing America’s borders, or limiting the wave of low-skill workers that has kept blue collar wages effectively flat for the past 40 years.

Democrats want to just hand out U.S. citizenship like a t-ball participation trophy. That’s the same citizenship my ancestors were denied until the 14th Amendment, and couldn’t fully exercise until the Voting Rights Act. Which mostly Democrats opposed. Today’s Democrats see people in poor countries as future registered Democrats, and they want to hustle as many in as they can, the country be damned.

That’s why the Democrats are shutting down the government, using the filibuster. Remember that? It’s what Strom Thurmond used to try to stop the Civil Rights Act.

Some things never change.

They better worry about the Black vote. There is no argument on who is sending them to the back of the bus now.

Republicans will be letting Blacks know where they stand.
The Democrats Care More About Importing New Voters than About Black American Lives and Families

Its sad, but true....democrats are horrible, but that's what happens when you play identity politics.....sometimes you're the IT group, sometimes you're not

 

[Vandalshandle]

Wow, Hazl! You sure brought out the worst of the Trumpetts with this thread!

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Chuck Schumer’s three decades of immigration lies
Will we let him lie us into the end of America?

Chuck Schumer's three decades of immigration lies

Schumer has always been a despicable racist demagogue.
The Far Left used to just be culturally anti-wasp, but they have devolved even further into being anti mainstream middle class white voter in general.
The Dems treat them as their enemy.
It's clear that the far Left sees illegal aliens as the future majority of the Democratic Party.

 

[Circe]

It's clear that the far Left sees illegal aliens as the future majority of the Democratic Party.

Sure. They've lost America. The only votes the Dems can count on are from Mexico and Muslims.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Stop calling Dreamers "illegal"

nope

ya retard