Supporting Kurdish independence

[ima]

If there were 22 million kurds in the US-----those KURDS would be fully franchised to establich their own institutions and culture because the US is not an islamo nazi pigsty

KURDISTAN IS INEVITABLE all decent humans support the rights of the kurds

iro, you grumpy bitch. you TOTALLY missed the question, it is:if there were 22 million kurds in the US, how much land would the US give up peacefully so that they could establish their Cheese Kurd country where part of the US once stood?

In other words, would we give them a state or 2 to form their country? Not just whether they'd have mosques or whatever.

Want a redo on the answer?

the Q is, is there 22 million (natives) that live on their ancestral land in one region in US that are "disallowed to study in their mothers language , 3000 villages of theirs destroyed, 40,000 killed, their MPs politicians and journalists are jailed on terror charges!, their kids are jailed bcoz his father joined the freedom movement, and on yearly bases 100 innocent of them are killed by the army(i.e. roboski massacre)" ? the answer is NO. comparing US democratic state to fascistic turkish state is quite stupid

10,000 people are shot every year in the US, your number of 100 per year is meaningless. The US has probably the highest number of convicted children as well. The US army killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of innocent people in Iraq. The US is trying to jail Julien Assange for reporting.
You guys are in the bush leagues.

 

[kirkuki]

Looking for Friends in the Middle East: Try the Kurds

Angry mobs recently attacked U.S. diplomatic facilities in dozens of countries, but not everyone in the Muslim world hates America. More than 25 million Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey are largely secular and pro-Western. Kurds understand that democracy and individual rights are compatible with Islamic values. The United States should take steps to consolidate friendly relations with the Kurds. U.S.-Kurdish rapprochement would serve as a counter-weight to political demagogy and Islamist extremism. It can also leverage reforms in countries where Kurds reside.

A steely-eyed approach is needed towards governments in the region. Iraq's Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has shunned U.S. interests. He also pursues polarizing policies, which fuel sectarian and ethnic conflict between Iraqis. Baghdad scorns Iraq's constitution, preferring confrontation to power-sharing. It systematically encroaches on Kurdish territory, inflaming tensions along "disputed internal boundaries." The Iraqi Government uses its security apparatus to trample the rights of Iraq's Sunnis and target political opponents. Acting as a proxy for Iran, it facilitates the transfer of weapons from Tehran to Syria.


In contrast, Iraqi Kurds are unabashedly pro-American. Not a single American has died in Iraqi Kurdistan since Saddam's overthrow in 2003. Iraqi Kurdistan has functioning democratic institutions, a vibrant civil society and an independent media. While corruption is still a problem, Iraqi Kurdistan is less corrupt than most neighbors.


Iraqi Kurds are America's best and only friends in Iraq. To further strengthen U.S.-Kurdish amity, the United States should deepen security cooperation with the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG). While Baghdad rejected a status of forces agreement with the United States, the KRG welcomes it. The Pentagon should cancel its sale of Abrams-A1 tanks and F-16 fighter jets to Baghdad. Such weapons will most likely be used against Iraqis, rather than to protect Iraq from Iran and other rogue regimes with which Baghdad has cozy relations.


The KRG's relations with Turkey have vastly improved since it started sharing intelligence on the PKK, a terrorist organization with remote bases in the mountains of Iraqi Kurdistan. Working hand-in-hand with Turkey, Iraqi Kurdistan may one day become the Eastern flank of NATO.
The United States also stands to gain economically by partnering with the KRG. Iraqi Kurdistan has a booming economy and huge energy reserves, including 45 billion barrels of oil. U.S. energy companies should be encouraged to develop Iraqi Kurdistan's oil and natural gas fields notwithstanding Baghdad's objections.


When it comes to Syria, KRG President Masoud Barzani is playing a helpful role bridging gaps between Syrian Kurds. In the 1990s, Kurdish controlled territory in the northeast of Syria was a staging ground for the PKK, which the U.S. and EU consider a terrorist organization. To prevent a recurrence, the Obama administration should pro-actively engage factions of Syrian Kurds to establish a secular, pro-Western platform within Syria. Kurdish democratic aspirations can be realized peacefully, in cooperation with Turkey and the West.


Regardless of the outcome to Syria's civil war, the United States will have no friends in Syria except the Kurds. The Alawites deeply resent the West for abandoning them. Arab Sunni rebels feel let down by the United States; Washington is rightly reluctant to arm the Muslim Brotherhood lest its weapons eventually target U.S. interests.


In Iran, more can be done to provide political support to the Kurdish Iranian opposition. Iranian Kurds want to replace Iran's theocracy with a federal democratic state. They supported the 2009 Green Revolution and have links to both the Iranian opposition and oppressed minorities -- Arabs, Baluchis, and Azeris. Deposing the mullahs is the best to ensure that Iran does not cross the nuclear threshold.


U.S.-Kurdish regional rapprochement will be deeply unsettling to Turkey. The Obama administration will have to bend over backwards to reassure Turkey that its affinity for Kurds does not imply support for "Greater Kurdistan" or compromise its strategic partnership between Turkey and the United States.
Focusing on the Kurds might ultimately create conditions benefiting Turkey. Prime Minister Erdogan announced a "Democracy Opening" in 2010, aimed at addressing Kurdish grievances. However, he failed to deliver on promises for greater political and cultural rights. When Washington makes Kurdish issues a priority in the region, Erdogan might decide it is expedient to renew his commitment to Kurdish cultural and political rights, addressing the root causes of conflict and draining the swamp of support for the PKK.

Iraqi Kurds are proven, reliable partners. Washington should also nurture the pro-Western affinities of other Kurds. The United States must not take its friends for granted, while trying to placate its enemies.

David L. Phillips is Director of the Program on Peace-building and Rights at Columbia University's Institute for the Study of Human Rights.

David L. Phillips: Looking for Friends in the Middle East: Try the Kurds

 

[irosie91]

LONG LIVE KURDISTAN -----or kurd city----or ---THE LAND OF THE KURDS ----or whatever the kurds decide to call their nice new LARGE extensive country that extends from Iran all the way thru Turkey I kind of STRIP OF CIVILIZATION cutting right thru------the mess that the dogs of arabia made of the rest of the area

 

[High_Gravity]

If anybody deserves their own country its the Kurds, and they are moving in that direction.

 

[irosie91]

good idea but GEOGRAPHICALLY-----kurdistan is a RIBBON-----how do you think that will work out-------a strip from Iran--thru Iraq---thru Syria and----a bit in Turkey--------maybe they can build a very very very long MONORAIL------well----a few of them------from moutain peak to mountain peak (would that be suitable to the terrain? I am beginning to LIKE THE IDEA------if it gets the MONO RAILS I want to live there

 

[FckingAmazing]

yeah im sure , you are gonna be the biggest country and maybe you can conqurer Istanbul and then Europe , you will be the biggest terrorist country , and PKK will manage this country , as Bashar Esad , Saddam done

[ this article includes so much irony ]

 

[ima]

good idea but GEOGRAPHICALLY-----kurdistan is a RIBBON-----how do you think that will work out-------a strip from Iran--thru Iraq---thru Syria and----a bit in Turkey--------maybe they can build a very very very long MONORAIL------well----a few of them------from moutain peak to mountain peak (would that be suitable to the terrain? I am beginning to LIKE THE IDEA------if it gets the MONO RAILS I want to live there

The Kurds should covert to Judaism, then they can do what they want and say that some invisible god gave them the land?

 

[kirkuki]

The Kurds should covert to Judaism, then they can do what they want and say that some invisible god gave them the land?

wait a sec, how old r u again ?

 

[ima]

The Kurds should covert to Judaism, then they can do what they want and say that some invisible god gave them the land?

wait a sec, how old r u again ?

Old enough to know that you have ZERO chance of getting any land from Turkey. Try getting some land from Iran first, then come and tells us what a miserable failure that was.

But seriously, dress some kurds like the Turkish army, build some ovens and fry a million or so of your own kurds, then the US will likely kiss your butt too.

 

[kirkuki]

bla bla bla more rubbish from you, your not old enuff to argue with me kid. and stop polluting this nice thread honestly you are like ekrem with a filthier version.

 

[kirkuki]

about kurds converting, when your great ally turkey converts then we will too.

 

[ima]

about kurds converting, when your great ally turkey converts then we will too.

Why, you always do what turks do? When turks shit, do you go in for a sniff?

 

[High_Gravity]

about kurds converting, when your great ally turkey converts then we will too.

Why, you always do what turks do? When turks shit, do you go in for a sniff?

Disgusting.

 

[ima]

about kurds converting, when your great ally turkey converts then we will too.

Why, you always do what turks do? When turks shit, do you go in for a sniff?

Disgusting.

Disgusting that they don't offer you the right of first sniff refusal?

 

[kirkuki]

about kurds converting, when your great ally turkey converts then we will too.

Why, you always do what turks do? When turks shit, do you go in for a sniff?

you are filthy person i am sure you have had some turk in you , that is why you love them so much

 

[kirkuki]

and if you love speak about shit and sniffing go create a fresh page and knock yourself out, if you dont have the morals to have a decent discussion then leave why are you here ? bugger off

 

[ima]

about kurds converting, when your great ally turkey converts then we will too.

Why, you always do what turks do? When turks shit, do you go in for a sniff?

you are filthy person i am sure you have had some turk in you , that is why you love them so much

Even turkish hash is bullshit, their coffee tastes like mud, and the magic carpet ride to work must be a nightmare.

But you're still not getting a piece of Turkey.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

Why, you always do what turks do? When turks shit, do you go in for a sniff?

you are filthy person i am sure you have had some turk in you , that is why you love them so much

Even turkish hash is bullshit, their coffee tastes like mud, and the magic carpet ride to work must be a nightmare.

But you're still not getting a piece of Turkey.

Kurdistan existed thousands of years before the mongols (Now known as turks) arrived to the middle east. We still form majority in most of our provinces, and those we have lost can easily be regained, if the kurds in west Turkey moves back. You should face reality buddy, in two generations kurds will be majority in Turkey, and what are you gonna do then?

 

[ima]

you are filthy person i am sure you have had some turk in you , that is why you love them so much

Even turkish hash is bullshit, their coffee tastes like mud, and the magic carpet ride to work must be a nightmare.

But you're still not getting a piece of Turkey.

Kurdistan existed thousands of years before the mongols (Now known as turks) arrived to the middle east. We still form majority in most of our provinces, and those we have lost can easily be regained, if the kurds in west Turkey moves back. You should face reality buddy, in two generations kurds will be majority in Turkey, and what are you gonna do then?

Probably watch the camel poo throwing fight on CNN.

But you're still not going to get a piece of Turkey, democratic countries rarely split over ethnicities because we accept all ethnicities and religions in our countries, so no need for every group to separate into little enclaves, especially so for NATO members. So just learn to play with others. It'll come in handy in the real world.

 

[FckingAmazing]

you are filthy person i am sure you have had some turk in you , that is why you love them so much

Even turkish hash is bullshit, their coffee tastes like mud, and the magic carpet ride to work must be a nightmare.

But you're still not getting a piece of Turkey.

Kurdistan existed thousands of years before the mongols (Now known as turks) arrived to the middle east. We still form majority in most of our provinces, and those we have lost can easily be regained, if the kurds in west Turkey moves back. You should face reality buddy, in two generations kurds will be majority in Turkey, and what are you gonna do then?

lets fckk all the racist people like above or we cannot get rid of wars ...