Supreme Court. Individual mandate

OK, so you don't understand what happened? Go read the analyses again, all of them.

I understand what happened, Roberts bitch slapped far right libertarians by agreeing with them that the mandate is not allowed under the commerce clause or the necessary and proper clause, just like you said.

Not at all. Roberts said the role of the Court was to make sure legislation comported with the Constitution. Thus he substituted taxation for commerce clause.

This will rank him with Marshall and Warren if he keeps it up. Wow!

Let me see if I understand you here.

Roberts rewrote Obamacare, ignored the clear words, and clear intent, of Congress, and unilaterally declared that something that is not a tax is a tax, and you think this is not judicial activism or legislating from the bench because you agree with the result. The upshot of all of this is I am a partisan hack.

They will rank him with Carter if he keeps this up.
 
so, are you claiming that in the ''obamacare bill''... congress wrote in to the Affordable Healthcare Act, that it was justified under the commerce clause? In the bill itself?
 
You would celebrate this. You don't even know what you're celebrating. Big Brother now controls even more of your life. Why are you celebrating that?

All the brainless twats who are incapable of governing themselves, and who desire a government nanny to do so for them, will be celebrating this atrocity.

Atrocities are when a government packs a particular group of people into trains and shovels them into ovens because of their religion.

But enough of that.

Are you against government?

You prefer anarchy?

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Guns and Freedom! Pack your bags!

An atrocity is when the electorate is so stupid that they would elect a man so abysmally unqualified for the job just because they wanted to claim having voted for the first half-black POTUS. We're those the "shovel ready" folks you suggest we load onto trains?
 
so, are you claiming that in the ''obamacare bill''... congress wrote in to the Affordable Healthcare Act, that it was justified under the commerce clause? In the bill itself?

It was justified because some of the previsions within the bill was written as a tax.
 
He didn't think it was. The court did.

This is an absurd thing to bitch about.

NO HELL NO HE SAID IT WAS NOT A TAX

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Good post. The President absolutely rejected the notion that the mandate was a tax, except, now, he needs it to be a tax for his Act to have survived so he absolutely accepts the very same notion.

but, at least he's honest and consistent.

:cuckoo:

He's evolving some more?
 
For those who understand that American history continues past 1803, yes, the bill is constitutional.
 
For those who understand that American history continues past 1803, yes, the bill is constitutional.

For those who are not connected to the hip of the elite this law is not constitutional under the prevision of the mandate, The courts ruled it is a tax and gave the government the OK to tax anything it wants too.
 
So bama and the dimocrats just raised everybody's taxes..

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For those with no dignity or appreciation for freedom, it's constitutional.

You mean those with "dignity or appreciation of freedom" and the American narrative, of course, it is constitutional.

It was not ruled constitutional it was ruled a tax

The lie has been exposed.

The Affordable Health Care law is nothing but a massive tax increase.

Call it Obamatax from now on.


As with everything the prick does, he lied about this one too. He and congressional Democrats had to lie about it to get it passed and now they have to face the voters over their lies.

I guess this is like Bush's WMDs the left claims caused the death of over 4000 Americans.

300 million Americans will feel the effect of these tax increases.
 
I was watching MSNBC yesterday and the gloating was repulsive. They were practically laughing at the ignorant Americans who thought this was not a tax. "Of course it's a tax, SUCKERS!" It was like watching an episode of "Punk'd".
 
You mean those with "dignity or appreciation of freedom" and the American narrative, of course, it is constitutional.

It was not ruled constitutional it was ruled a tax

The lie has been exposed.

The Affordable Health Care law is nothing but a massive tax increase.

Call it Obamatax from now on.


As with everything the prick does, he lied about this one too. He and congressional Democrats had to lie about it to get it passed and now they have to face the voters over their lies.

I guess this is like Bush's WMDs the left claims caused the death of over 4000 Americans.

300 million Americans will feel the effect of these tax increases.

No wonder obama want this to take effect in 2013 2014 after the election. But those who opposed the new tax repeatedly said this. Didn't we mud?
 
I was watching MSNBC yesterday and the gloating was repulsive. They were practically laughing at the ignorant Americans who thought this was not a tax. "Of course it's a tax, SUCKERS!" It was like watching an episode of "Punk'd".

I am glad they openly laugh at the American people, nothing worse than a pissed off voter.
 
It was not ruled constitutional it was ruled a tax

The lie has been exposed.

The Affordable Health Care law is nothing but a massive tax increase.

Call it Obamatax from now on.


As with everything the prick does, he lied about this one too. He and congressional Democrats had to lie about it to get it passed and now they have to face the voters over their lies.

I guess this is like Bush's WMDs the left claims caused the death of over 4000 Americans.

300 million Americans will feel the effect of these tax increases.

No wonder obama want this to take effect in 2013 2014 after the election. But those who opposed the new tax repeatedly said this. Didn't we mud?

We did.....but we're still waiting for it to take effect 3 years after it was passed.

Come the first of the year we'll see around a trillion dollars in new tax increases and the benefits will still have to wait till 2014. The Bush tax-cuts will expire and be added to the increases in this law.

Even then it still doesn't put us in a surplus. And when the costs start to kick in the deficit doubles. But then Obama now has the power to raise taxes without limits.
 
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For those with no dignity or appreciation for freedom, it's constitutional.

You mean those with "dignity or appreciation of freedom" and the American narrative, of course, it is constitutional.

It was not ruled constitutional it was ruled a tax

Let us not quibble like a liberal.

If it's a tax, said the SCOTUS Majority, then it is Constitutional.

They held that the terminology used explicitly BY Congress wasn't controlling. So they DECLARED the penalty to be, instead, a "tax."

Thus, it was ruled as being allegedly Constitutional.

But it does raise a couple (at least) of interesting questions:

If it is a tax, why did the anti-injunction law not prohibit even hearing the case yet? Because, they intoned, it's not THAT kind of tax!

And if it's a tax, why is any part of the Act Constitutional when it originated in the SENATE, not the House, as the Constitution demands of tax bills? SCOTUS didn't even bother to answer that one.
 
You mean those with "dignity or appreciation of freedom" and the American narrative, of course, it is constitutional.

It was not ruled constitutional it was ruled a tax

Let us not quibble like a liberal.

If it's a tax, said the SCOTUS Majority, then it is Constitutional.

They held that the terminology used explicitly BY Congress wasn't controlling. So they DECLARED the penalty to be, instead, a "tax."

Thus, it was ruled as being allegedly Constitutional.

But it does raise a couple (at least) of interesting questions:

If it is a tax, why did the anti-injunction law not prohibit even hearing the case yet? Because, they intoned, it's not THAT kind of tax!

And if it's a tax, why is any part of the Act Constitutional when it originated in the SENATE, not the House, as the Constitution demands of tax bills? SCOTUS didn't even bother to answer that one.

All I will say is obamacare is no longer healthcare but a massive tax and the government has been given the go ahead to tax anything it wants too. The reason Roberts rules it is a tax because many of the sections had tax verbiage in it.
 
The lie has been exposed.

The Affordable Health Care law is nothing but a massive tax increase.

Call it Obamatax from now on.


As with everything the prick does, he lied about this one too. He and congressional Democrats had to lie about it to get it passed and now they have to face the voters over their lies.

I guess this is like Bush's WMDs the left claims caused the death of over 4000 Americans.

300 million Americans will feel the effect of these tax increases.

No wonder obama want this to take effect in 2013 2014 after the election. But those who opposed the new tax repeatedly said this. Didn't we mud?

We did.....but we're still waiting for it to take effect 3 years after it was passed.

Come the first of the year we'll see around a trillion dollars in new tax increases and the benefits will still have to wait till 2014. The Bush tax-cuts will expire and be added to the increases in this law.

Even then it still doesn't put us in a surplus. And when the costs start to kick in the deficit doubles. But then Obama now has the power to raise taxes without limits.
Welcome to the fundamentally changed America.
 

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