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That’s not how it works.I don't mind a person's car being forfeited if they were selling drugs out of that car when arrested or whatever.
What I DO mind is that if the person is found not guilty they don't immediately, if ever, get their property back. That is some BS
It comes as no surprise that it’s someone on the reprehensible right who needlessly turns a thread partisan.Yes finally, I’ve been raggin on this for a while. No one on the left seemed to care, despite it being an issue that all sides should agree on (unless you blindly trust LE so much). It’s also unconstitutional for different reason other than excessive fines, which is a tougher case to make...which tells me RBG is not of fan of property rights and LE over reach...criminal justice reform is the political flavor of choice. Ruling against CAFS on the grounds of excessive fines ain’t gonna do shit for property rights, or address what is actually wrong with CAFS. They’ll still seize the property, but maybe give some back.Is the left finally paying attention to civil asset forfeit seizure?Supreme Court says constitutional protection against excessive fines applies to state actions
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, on just her second day back on the bench after undergoing cancer surgery in December, announced the decision for the court, saying that the Eighth Amendment’s Excessive Fines Clause protects against government retribution.
“For good reason, the protection against excessive fines has been a constant shield throughout Anglo-American history: Exorbitant tolls undermine other constitutional liberties,” Ginsburg wrote. “Excessive fines can be used, for example, to retaliate against or chill the speech of political enemies. . . . Even absent a political motive, fines may be employed in a measure out of accord with the penal goals of retribution and deterrence.”
The court ruled in favor of Tyson Timbs of Marion, Ind., who had his $42,000 Land Rover seized after he was arrested for selling a couple hundred dollars’ worth of heroin.
The cops have been totally out of control with their literal highway robbery in the name of "civil asset forfeiture". It's great to see all the Supremes give them a kick in the nuts.
"finally"?
How did he buy that $40k truck ? Selling heroin ?I think it was unanimous too. Far too long many states law enforcement has been stealing people’s property with these overreaching forfeit laws in order to subsidize their budgets .
Total scam .
Supreme Court strikes blow against states that raise revenue by hefty fines, forfeitures
Guy got busted wh heroine and they took his $40k truck .
Funny, I've never been stopped by the law and had to worry about any of this bullcrap.This started as a means to hit drug trafficking and morphed into a montrosity of overreach, if you can even be so kind as to call it that. This is/was theft undertaken by cops, IMO.
A cop in Kane County, IL, where I happen to live, was quoted:
"The officer who initiated the stop once described asset forfeiture as "a tax-liberating gold mine" that allows the government to "pull in expendable cash hand over fist," according to a complaint filed in U.S. District Court. The officer, a sergeant, also works for Desert Snow, a private company that trains officers in police stops and asset forfeiture, according to the lawsuit. The Kane County sheriff's office is among agencies that have paid Desert Snow for training."
It would seem they knew damn well what they were doing and were actively training to do it. I'd say it's unbelievable, but there's no such thing in this world when it comes to abuse of power or greed, which both came together, in this case, to wreak havoc on people's lives while hiding behind the badge and the law.
These people should be prosecuted. They won't be of course.
Just following the law, wink, wink. Just doing what we were told, wink, wink.
Blech.....
I agree that there is degree's, and lines that shouldn't be crossed by law enforcement.How did he buy that $40k truck ? Selling heroin ?I think it was unanimous too. Far too long many states law enforcement has been stealing people’s property with these overreaching forfeit laws in order to subsidize their budgets .
Total scam .
Supreme Court strikes blow against states that raise revenue by hefty fines, forfeitures
Guy got busted wh heroine and they took his $40k truck .
Maybe he busted his ass for it legitimately and is just a junkie.
That's bullshit the gov can seize his hard-earned-property for a spot of dope.
Funny, I've never been stopped by the law and had to worry about any of this bullcrap.This started as a means to hit drug trafficking and morphed into a montrosity of overreach, if you can even be so kind as to call it that. This is/was theft undertaken by cops, IMO.
A cop in Kane County, IL, where I happen to live, was quoted:
"The officer who initiated the stop once described asset forfeiture as "a tax-liberating gold mine" that allows the government to "pull in expendable cash hand over fist," according to a complaint filed in U.S. District Court. The officer, a sergeant, also works for Desert Snow, a private company that trains officers in police stops and asset forfeiture, according to the lawsuit. The Kane County sheriff's office is among agencies that have paid Desert Snow for training."
It would seem they knew damn well what they were doing and were actively training to do it. I'd say it's unbelievable, but there's no such thing in this world when it comes to abuse of power or greed, which both came together, in this case, to wreak havoc on people's lives while hiding behind the badge and the law.
These people should be prosecuted. They won't be of course.
Just following the law, wink, wink. Just doing what we were told, wink, wink.
Blech.....
Oh that's right, I don't do drugs or drink and drive. That might have something to do with it.
Funny, I've never been stopped by the law and had to worry about any of this bullcrap.This started as a means to hit drug trafficking and morphed into a montrosity of overreach, if you can even be so kind as to call it that. This is/was theft undertaken by cops, IMO.
A cop in Kane County, IL, where I happen to live, was quoted:
"The officer who initiated the stop once described asset forfeiture as "a tax-liberating gold mine" that allows the government to "pull in expendable cash hand over fist," according to a complaint filed in U.S. District Court. The officer, a sergeant, also works for Desert Snow, a private company that trains officers in police stops and asset forfeiture, according to the lawsuit. The Kane County sheriff's office is among agencies that have paid Desert Snow for training."
It would seem they knew damn well what they were doing and were actively training to do it. I'd say it's unbelievable, but there's no such thing in this world when it comes to abuse of power or greed, which both came together, in this case, to wreak havoc on people's lives while hiding behind the badge and the law.
These people should be prosecuted. They won't be of course.
Just following the law, wink, wink. Just doing what we were told, wink, wink.
Blech.....
Oh that's right, I don't do drugs or drink and drive. That might have something to do with it.
On this issue?Who's down with RBG?....EVERYbody!!!
Funny, I've never been stopped by the law and had to worry about any of this bullcrap.This started as a means to hit drug trafficking and morphed into a montrosity of overreach, if you can even be so kind as to call it that. This is/was theft undertaken by cops, IMO.
A cop in Kane County, IL, where I happen to live, was quoted:
"The officer who initiated the stop once described asset forfeiture as "a tax-liberating gold mine" that allows the government to "pull in expendable cash hand over fist," according to a complaint filed in U.S. District Court. The officer, a sergeant, also works for Desert Snow, a private company that trains officers in police stops and asset forfeiture, according to the lawsuit. The Kane County sheriff's office is among agencies that have paid Desert Snow for training."
It would seem they knew damn well what they were doing and were actively training to do it. I'd say it's unbelievable, but there's no such thing in this world when it comes to abuse of power or greed, which both came together, in this case, to wreak havoc on people's lives while hiding behind the badge and the law.
These people should be prosecuted. They won't be of course.
Just following the law, wink, wink. Just doing what we were told, wink, wink.
Blech.....
Oh that's right, I don't do drugs or drink and drive. That might have something to do with it.
It didn't. "Luck" does.
Hell I've been pulled over by one cop who wanted to know why my parents weren't travelling with me (I was like 45 years old at the time). Another time I had guns stuck in my face and handcuffed just because they were looking for a murder suspect and I happened to be visible.
EVERYONE is vulnerable. Take that to the bank.
Yeah, I would have gone with the 4th Amendment too.Idk man, but taking some guy's Hummer because he has a roach in the ashtray is against the 4th amendment.
Idk what the 8th even says.
Funny, I've never been stopped by the law and had to worry about any of this bullcrap.This started as a means to hit drug trafficking and morphed into a montrosity of overreach, if you can even be so kind as to call it that. This is/was theft undertaken by cops, IMO.
A cop in Kane County, IL, where I happen to live, was quoted:
"The officer who initiated the stop once described asset forfeiture as "a tax-liberating gold mine" that allows the government to "pull in expendable cash hand over fist," according to a complaint filed in U.S. District Court. The officer, a sergeant, also works for Desert Snow, a private company that trains officers in police stops and asset forfeiture, according to the lawsuit. The Kane County sheriff's office is among agencies that have paid Desert Snow for training."
It would seem they knew damn well what they were doing and were actively training to do it. I'd say it's unbelievable, but there's no such thing in this world when it comes to abuse of power or greed, which both came together, in this case, to wreak havoc on people's lives while hiding behind the badge and the law.
These people should be prosecuted. They won't be of course.
Just following the law, wink, wink. Just doing what we were told, wink, wink.
Blech.....
Oh that's right, I don't do drugs or drink and drive. That might have something to do with it.
Clayton fighting the people’s fight again...faaack you’re dumb. How is that even possible to accuse somebody of turning a thread partisan, and call half of the country reprehensible in the same exact post…wow. I hope you caught your tardness and edited it out before I post this. “I’m starting with the maaaan in the mirror, ooo, I’m asking him to make a change, ooo.”It comes as no surprise that it’s someone on the reprehensible right who needlessly turns a thread partisan.Yes finally, I’ve been raggin on this for a while. No one on the left seemed to care, despite it being an issue that all sides should agree on (unless you blindly trust LE so much). It’s also unconstitutional for different reason other than excessive fines, which is a tougher case to make...which tells me RBG is not of fan of property rights and LE over reach...criminal justice reform is the political flavor of choice. Ruling against CAFS on the grounds of excessive fines ain’t gonna do shit for property rights, or address what is actually wrong with CAFS. They’ll still seize the property, but maybe give some back.Is the left finally paying attention to civil asset forfeit seizure?Supreme Court says constitutional protection against excessive fines applies to state actions
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, on just her second day back on the bench after undergoing cancer surgery in December, announced the decision for the court, saying that the Eighth Amendment’s Excessive Fines Clause protects against government retribution.
“For good reason, the protection against excessive fines has been a constant shield throughout Anglo-American history: Exorbitant tolls undermine other constitutional liberties,” Ginsburg wrote. “Excessive fines can be used, for example, to retaliate against or chill the speech of political enemies. . . . Even absent a political motive, fines may be employed in a measure out of accord with the penal goals of retribution and deterrence.”
The court ruled in favor of Tyson Timbs of Marion, Ind., who had his $42,000 Land Rover seized after he was arrested for selling a couple hundred dollars’ worth of heroin.
The cops have been totally out of control with their literal highway robbery in the name of "civil asset forfeiture". It's great to see all the Supremes give them a kick in the nuts.
"finally"?
Wow, where did that money go ?Funny, I've never been stopped by the law and had to worry about any of this bullcrap.This started as a means to hit drug trafficking and morphed into a montrosity of overreach, if you can even be so kind as to call it that. This is/was theft undertaken by cops, IMO.
A cop in Kane County, IL, where I happen to live, was quoted:
"The officer who initiated the stop once described asset forfeiture as "a tax-liberating gold mine" that allows the government to "pull in expendable cash hand over fist," according to a complaint filed in U.S. District Court. The officer, a sergeant, also works for Desert Snow, a private company that trains officers in police stops and asset forfeiture, according to the lawsuit. The Kane County sheriff's office is among agencies that have paid Desert Snow for training."
It would seem they knew damn well what they were doing and were actively training to do it. I'd say it's unbelievable, but there's no such thing in this world when it comes to abuse of power or greed, which both came together, in this case, to wreak havoc on people's lives while hiding behind the badge and the law.
These people should be prosecuted. They won't be of course.
Just following the law, wink, wink. Just doing what we were told, wink, wink.
Blech.....
Oh that's right, I don't do drugs or drink and drive. That might have something to do with it.
Yeah, me neither, but these guys were training to ask "how much money do you have", then taking it. I know it seems insane, but that's because it is.
Police Took More Of Other People's Stuff Than Burglars Did In 2014 | Investor's Business Daily
"Last year, police seized $4.5 billion in cash and property through civil asset forfeiture laws. They had a better year than burglars. The value of all property stolen in burglaries during 2014 added up to just $3.9 billion, according to FBI data."
Funny, I've never been stopped by the law and had to worry about any of this bullcrap.
Oh that's right, I don't do drugs or drink and drive. That might have something to do with it.
I don't necessarily disagree with you here. Stereotypes are dangerous and shitty.Being white also helps a whole lot.
That’s not how it works.I don't mind a person's car being forfeited if they were selling drugs out of that car when arrested or whatever.
What I DO mind is that if the person is found not guilty they don't immediately, if ever, get their property back. That is some BS
The seizure of private property has nothing to do with the guilt or innocence of the property owner.
Whether guilty or innocent, the seizure of one’s property is excessive and un-Constitutional.
