Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.

[Blaine Sweeter]

And here's something to consider:

100,000 Americans died during the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to 1969. Nothing was shut down, and there were 500,000 people at Woodstock.

Hard to argue with how Sweden handled this...

whats different today is our health condition is worse, which makes the death rate here higher.
Comorbidity in covid-19 deaths are mostly hypertension, diabetes and obesity, smoking.
Our crappy diet, high in processed foods, sugar compound the problem.
This virus has been found to thicken the blood, which is exacerbated by the above condition.

However, i suppose a social Darwinist could make the argument that this is an opportunity of natural selection to eliminate those with poor health habits? Perhaps not so much, because darker skinned people have lower vitamin D levels.

As a c

Sweden's population is less dense than Denmark. Fix your post.

cosmopolitan means of many nations/cultures

as in they have immigrants and tourists

there is no implication of population density

edit - and they're 90% urban so i don't know how much more urbanized u can get beyond a city state.

Did you not read the rest of my post?

How urban is Denmark? Their population is more dense, which I previously told you.

Wow surprise they're urbanized at exactly the same rate

Sweden - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Sweden remained nearly unchanged at around 88.49 percent.

www.statista.com

Denmark - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Denmark remained nearly unchanged at around 88.37 percent.

www.statista.com

Population density means basically nothing without more context. If most of your land is shit and you're all bunched up on the coasts like australia your population density is very very misleading. Urbanization rate is much more useful.

Same concept applies to frigid nordic countries.

And are you not going to acknowledg eyou have no idea what cosmopolitan means? lol

They have way more people who don't care/aren't assimlating than the other nations. That can explain just about all the death rate. No1 goes to fucking denmark. Sweden is a cultural capital.

I already answered dumb argument about which country is more cosmopolitan and you refuse to answer my question.

Australia ain't Denmark, there is just an ever so slight difference in land mass.

What nations are bringing COVID to Sweden? Since nobody is traveling at the moment why do Sweden's death rate keep rising over it's neighbors? Why if more people are mingling with each other would you not expect the disease to spread? I'm unclear of exactly what your argument is other than to just be xenophobic in general.

Sweden is a big tourist attraction. Norway, Finland and Denmark, not so much.

I don't know if you knew this but tourism is kind of trashed right now and Sweden's rate of death is still higher than any of it's neighbors. Plus, many people go through Copenhagen (you might have heard of it) on their way to other Scandinavian countries.

You really don't understand that people who get in each others faces during a pandemic are more likely to spread the disease? So, instead you're just going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? Cute.

You didn't support your case. Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull. The virus got into the country before the shutdown. None of the factors that initiated the epidemic are in play now.

Copenhagen is in Denmark, not Sweden. LOL

 

[bripat9643]

Whether a country has a shutdown or not, the same number of people will get the disease.

Really? You got a source for that?

Fauci has admitted that much.

Really? You got a source for that?

All the shutdown does is delay the time when they get it. We aren't going to maintain this insane shutdown until 2021. We don't have $15 or $20 trillion to pay for that. We might as well bite the bullet now.

But you, in your condition probably won't make it through so what do you care? For one, I disagree but let's pretend you're right. Do you think 20 million people hitting the hospitals all at one time will create more deaths than 20 million over 6 months?

Yeah, thanks for fetching the chart. Now do you want to add some words to your post to come up with some sort of argument?

The area under both curves is the same.

 

[bripat9643]

And here's something to consider:

100,000 Americans died during the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to 1969. Nothing was shut down, and there were 500,000 people at Woodstock.

Hard to argue with how Sweden handled this...

whats different today is our health condition is worse, which makes the death rate here higher.
Comorbidity in covid-19 deaths are mostly hypertension, diabetes and obesity, smoking.
Our crappy diet, high in processed foods, sugar compound the problem.
This virus has been found to thicken the blood, which is exacerbated by the above condition.

However, i suppose a social Darwinist could make the argument that this is an opportunity of natural selection to eliminate those with poor health habits? Perhaps not so much, because darker skinned people have lower vitamin D levels.

As a c

Sweden's population is less dense than Denmark. Fix your post.

cosmopolitan means of many nations/cultures

as in they have immigrants and tourists

there is no implication of population density

edit - and they're 90% urban so i don't know how much more urbanized u can get beyond a city state.

Did you not read the rest of my post?

How urban is Denmark? Their population is more dense, which I previously told you.

Wow surprise they're urbanized at exactly the same rate

Sweden - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Sweden remained nearly unchanged at around 88.49 percent.

www.statista.com

Denmark - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Denmark remained nearly unchanged at around 88.37 percent.

www.statista.com

Population density means basically nothing without more context. If most of your land is shit and you're all bunched up on the coasts like australia your population density is very very misleading. Urbanization rate is much more useful.

Same concept applies to frigid nordic countries.

And are you not going to acknowledg eyou have no idea what cosmopolitan means? lol

They have way more people who don't care/aren't assimlating than the other nations. That can explain just about all the death rate. No1 goes to fucking denmark. Sweden is a cultural capital.

I already answered dumb argument about which country is more cosmopolitan and you refuse to answer my question.

Australia ain't Denmark, there is just an ever so slight difference in land mass.

What nations are bringing COVID to Sweden? Since nobody is traveling at the moment why do Sweden's death rate keep rising over it's neighbors? Why if more people are mingling with each other would you not expect the disease to spread? I'm unclear of exactly what your argument is other than to just be xenophobic in general.

Sweden is a big tourist attraction. Norway, Finland and Denmark, not so much.

I don't know if you knew this but tourism is kind of trashed right now and Sweden's rate of death is still higher than any of it's neighbors. Plus, many people go through Copenhagen (you might have heard of it) on their way to other Scandinavian countries.

You really don't understand that people who get in each others faces during a pandemic are more likely to spread the disease? So, instead you're just going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? Cute.

You didn't support your case. Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull. The virus got into the country before the shutdown. None of the factors that initiated the epidemic are in play now.

Copenhagen is in Denmark, not Sweden. LOL

That has already been pointed out.

 

[zaangalewa]

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America. Data compiled by the…

talkingpointsmemo.com

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America.

Data compiled by the Kaiser Family Foundation suggests that infection rates are increasing at higher rates in rural areas than in urban settings.

It’s a significant, if not unsurprising trend: the disease is fanning out from big, urban areas like New York City to more sparsely populated parts of the country.


New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York…

talkingpointsmemo.com

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York Times.

The Times obtained an internal Centers for Disease Control document providing detailed projections on the progression of the COVID-19 pandemic around the country. The data goes up to May 2.

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1, and that deaths will reach around 3,000 per day by the same date.
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Just the facts, dude.

Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. Instead, the government has urged citizens to act responsibly and follow social distancing guidelines.

Part of that approach relies on having access to one of the world’s best-functioning health-care systems. At no stage did Sweden see a real shortage of medical equipment or hospital capacity, and tents set up as emergency care facilities around the country have mostly remained empty.

Sweden Says Controversial Virus Strategy Proving Effective

www.bloomberg.com

If I make a group of European states with more than 20 deaths per 100k then this group is:

>20 (worst losers)
Italy (29079), United Kingdom (28734), Spain (25428), France (25201), Belgium (7924), Netherlands (5082), Sweden (2769), Ireland (1319)

5-20 (big losers)
Portugal (1063), Luxembourg (96), Germany (6831), Austria (600), Denmark (493)

<5 (normal losers)
Romania (803), Poland (698), Hungary (363), Czechia (252), Finland (240), Norway (208), Greece (146), Slovenia (97), Croatia
(80), Bulgaria (78), Estonia (55), Lithuania (46), Slovakia (25), Cyprus (20), Latvia (16), Iceland (10), Malta (4), Liechtenstein (1).

 

[HappyJoy]

But you, in your condition probably won't make it through so what do you care? For one, I disagree but let's pretend you're right. Do you think 20 million people hitting the hospitals all at one time will create more deaths than 20 million over 6 months?

It's like rush hour traffic.

No, it's nothing like rush hour traffic.

 

[HappyJoy]

Whether a country has a shutdown or not, the same number of people will get the disease.

Really? You got a source for that?

Fauci has admitted that much.

Really? You got a source for that?

All the shutdown does is delay the time when they get it. We aren't going to maintain this insane shutdown until 2021. We don't have $15 or $20 trillion to pay for that. We might as well bite the bullet now.

But you, in your condition probably won't make it through so what do you care? For one, I disagree but let's pretend you're right. Do you think 20 million people hitting the hospitals all at one time will create more deaths than 20 million over 6 months?

Yeah, thanks for fetching the chart. Now do you want to add some words to your post to come up with some sort of argument?

The area under both curves is the same.

Is it? It's a basic chart to demonstrate why stay at home measures are important I'm not so sure they specifically mean with or without measures that the rate of infection is the same. But, if it were and you get the virus when our healthcare system is beyond it's capacity then you, Mr. overweight diabetic have a pretty good chance of kicking the bucket.

 

[HappyJoy]

And here's something to consider:

100,000 Americans died during the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to 1969. Nothing was shut down, and there were 500,000 people at Woodstock.

Hard to argue with how Sweden handled this...

whats different today is our health condition is worse, which makes the death rate here higher.
Comorbidity in covid-19 deaths are mostly hypertension, diabetes and obesity, smoking.
Our crappy diet, high in processed foods, sugar compound the problem.
This virus has been found to thicken the blood, which is exacerbated by the above condition.

However, i suppose a social Darwinist could make the argument that this is an opportunity of natural selection to eliminate those with poor health habits? Perhaps not so much, because darker skinned people have lower vitamin D levels.

As a c

Sweden's population is less dense than Denmark. Fix your post.

cosmopolitan means of many nations/cultures

as in they have immigrants and tourists

there is no implication of population density

edit - and they're 90% urban so i don't know how much more urbanized u can get beyond a city state.

Did you not read the rest of my post?

How urban is Denmark? Their population is more dense, which I previously told you.

Wow surprise they're urbanized at exactly the same rate

Sweden - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Sweden remained nearly unchanged at around 88.49 percent.

www.statista.com

Denmark - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Denmark remained nearly unchanged at around 88.37 percent.

www.statista.com

Population density means basically nothing without more context. If most of your land is shit and you're all bunched up on the coasts like australia your population density is very very misleading. Urbanization rate is much more useful.

Same concept applies to frigid nordic countries.

And are you not going to acknowledg eyou have no idea what cosmopolitan means? lol

They have way more people who don't care/aren't assimlating than the other nations. That can explain just about all the death rate. No1 goes to fucking denmark. Sweden is a cultural capital.

I already answered dumb argument about which country is more cosmopolitan and you refuse to answer my question.

Australia ain't Denmark, there is just an ever so slight difference in land mass.

What nations are bringing COVID to Sweden? Since nobody is traveling at the moment why do Sweden's death rate keep rising over it's neighbors? Why if more people are mingling with each other would you not expect the disease to spread? I'm unclear of exactly what your argument is other than to just be xenophobic in general.

Sweden is a big tourist attraction. Norway, Finland and Denmark, not so much.

I don't know if you knew this but tourism is kind of trashed right now and Sweden's rate of death is still higher than any of it's neighbors. Plus, many people go through Copenhagen (you might have heard of it) on their way to other Scandinavian countries.

You really don't understand that people who get in each others faces during a pandemic are more likely to spread the disease? So, instead you're just going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? Cute.

You didn't support your case. Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull. The virus got into the country before the shutdown. None of the factors that initiated the epidemic are in play now.

Copenhagen is in Denmark, not Sweden. LOL

That has already been pointed out.

It's still delicious.

 

[bripat9643]

And here's something to consider:

100,000 Americans died during the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to 1969. Nothing was shut down, and there were 500,000 people at Woodstock.

Hard to argue with how Sweden handled this...

whats different today is our health condition is worse, which makes the death rate here higher.
Comorbidity in covid-19 deaths are mostly hypertension, diabetes and obesity, smoking.
Our crappy diet, high in processed foods, sugar compound the problem.
This virus has been found to thicken the blood, which is exacerbated by the above condition.

However, i suppose a social Darwinist could make the argument that this is an opportunity of natural selection to eliminate those with poor health habits? Perhaps not so much, because darker skinned people have lower vitamin D levels.

As a c

Sweden's population is less dense than Denmark. Fix your post.

cosmopolitan means of many nations/cultures

as in they have immigrants and tourists

there is no implication of population density

edit - and they're 90% urban so i don't know how much more urbanized u can get beyond a city state.

Did you not read the rest of my post?

How urban is Denmark? Their population is more dense, which I previously told you.

Wow surprise they're urbanized at exactly the same rate

Sweden - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Sweden remained nearly unchanged at around 88.49 percent.

www.statista.com

Denmark - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Denmark remained nearly unchanged at around 88.37 percent.

www.statista.com

Population density means basically nothing without more context. If most of your land is shit and you're all bunched up on the coasts like australia your population density is very very misleading. Urbanization rate is much more useful.

Same concept applies to frigid nordic countries.

And are you not going to acknowledg eyou have no idea what cosmopolitan means? lol

They have way more people who don't care/aren't assimlating than the other nations. That can explain just about all the death rate. No1 goes to fucking denmark. Sweden is a cultural capital.

I already answered dumb argument about which country is more cosmopolitan and you refuse to answer my question.

Australia ain't Denmark, there is just an ever so slight difference in land mass.

What nations are bringing COVID to Sweden? Since nobody is traveling at the moment why do Sweden's death rate keep rising over it's neighbors? Why if more people are mingling with each other would you not expect the disease to spread? I'm unclear of exactly what your argument is other than to just be xenophobic in general.

Sweden is a big tourist attraction. Norway, Finland and Denmark, not so much.

I don't know if you knew this but tourism is kind of trashed right now and Sweden's rate of death is still higher than any of it's neighbors. Plus, many people go through Copenhagen (you might have heard of it) on their way to other Scandinavian countries.

You really don't understand that people who get in each others faces during a pandemic are more likely to spread the disease? So, instead you're just going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? Cute.

You didn't support your case. Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull. The virus got into the country before the shutdown. None of the factors that initiated the epidemic are in play now.

Copenhagen is in Denmark, not Sweden. LOL

That has already been pointed out.

It's still delicious.

I'm certain you will annoy me with it for the next 15 years.

 

[WEATHER53]

Every single projection has been a huge overestimation,never on target and never under
It’s what called a self fulfilling prophecy. Don’t know what your doing, lock everyone down, repeat and retain cycle. Same with the other fake self fullfilling prophecy-“the lockdown saved millions” No way to prove that and no counter point option therefore another Fake.

 

[Correll]

And yet Trump said he "strongly disagreed" with the Georgia governor who wanted to open up his state.

Obviously, Trump is in on this scam.

So, you support opening up?

 

[XponentialChaos]

I'm certain you will annoy me with it for the next 15 years.

 

[HappyJoy]

And here's something to consider:

100,000 Americans died during the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to 1969. Nothing was shut down, and there were 500,000 people at Woodstock.

Hard to argue with how Sweden handled this...

whats different today is our health condition is worse, which makes the death rate here higher.
Comorbidity in covid-19 deaths are mostly hypertension, diabetes and obesity, smoking.
Our crappy diet, high in processed foods, sugar compound the problem.
This virus has been found to thicken the blood, which is exacerbated by the above condition.

However, i suppose a social Darwinist could make the argument that this is an opportunity of natural selection to eliminate those with poor health habits? Perhaps not so much, because darker skinned people have lower vitamin D levels.

As a c

Sweden's population is less dense than Denmark. Fix your post.

cosmopolitan means of many nations/cultures

as in they have immigrants and tourists

there is no implication of population density

edit - and they're 90% urban so i don't know how much more urbanized u can get beyond a city state.

Did you not read the rest of my post?

How urban is Denmark? Their population is more dense, which I previously told you.

Wow surprise they're urbanized at exactly the same rate

Sweden - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Sweden remained nearly unchanged at around 88.49 percent.

www.statista.com

Denmark - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Denmark remained nearly unchanged at around 88.37 percent.

www.statista.com

Population density means basically nothing without more context. If most of your land is shit and you're all bunched up on the coasts like australia your population density is very very misleading. Urbanization rate is much more useful.

Same concept applies to frigid nordic countries.

And are you not going to acknowledg eyou have no idea what cosmopolitan means? lol

They have way more people who don't care/aren't assimlating than the other nations. That can explain just about all the death rate. No1 goes to fucking denmark. Sweden is a cultural capital.

I already answered dumb argument about which country is more cosmopolitan and you refuse to answer my question.

Australia ain't Denmark, there is just an ever so slight difference in land mass.

What nations are bringing COVID to Sweden? Since nobody is traveling at the moment why do Sweden's death rate keep rising over it's neighbors? Why if more people are mingling with each other would you not expect the disease to spread? I'm unclear of exactly what your argument is other than to just be xenophobic in general.

Sweden is a big tourist attraction. Norway, Finland and Denmark, not so much.

I don't know if you knew this but tourism is kind of trashed right now and Sweden's rate of death is still higher than any of it's neighbors. Plus, many people go through Copenhagen (you might have heard of it) on their way to other Scandinavian countries.

You really don't understand that people who get in each others faces during a pandemic are more likely to spread the disease? So, instead you're just going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? Cute.

You didn't support your case. Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull. The virus got into the country before the shutdown. None of the factors that initiated the epidemic are in play now.

Copenhagen is in Denmark, not Sweden. LOL

That has already been pointed out.

It's still delicious.

I'm certain you will annoy me with it for the next 15 years.

Only if you keep bringing up the fact that you didn't know that Denmark's largest city is in fact in Denmark.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Every country that borders Sweden has a lower death rate.

For now. What happens when they start to open back up? Also, what is the collateral damage done to those societies that Sweden didn't experience?

 

[Likkmee]

Coronavirus in Costa Rica: 742 confirmed cases, recovered 399

 

[Likkmee]

Costa Rica praised around the world for its low coronavirus death rate

 

[Mac1958]

And yet Trump said he "strongly disagreed" with the Georgia governor who wanted to open up his state.

Obviously, Trump is in on this scam.

So, you support opening up?

Very slowly, as fast as the medical community census can stand.

 

[HappyJoy]

Every country that borders Sweden has a lower death rate.

For now. What happens when they start to open back up? Also, what is the collateral damage done to those societies that Sweden didn't experience?

Oh, noooooo. You're under the impression that Sweden's economy is doing just fine?

Sweden had no lockdown but its economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors

Sweden has attracted global attention for not imposing a full lockdown, as seen in most of Europe, to contain the coronavirus pandemic.

www.cnbc.com

As far as any other health issues that prolonged stay at home orders can bring. Provide some evidence that A) there is a difference between what Swedes are feeling and most of the rest of the planet and B) Does it make up for the extra deaths that are taking place within their country.

Don't expect me to do your homework for you...well, I kind of already did with the link.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Every country that borders Sweden has a lower death rate.

For now. What happens when they start to open back up? Also, what is the collateral damage done to those societies that Sweden didn't experience?

Oh, noooooo. You're under the impression that Sweden's economy is doing just fine?

Sweden had no lockdown but its economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors

Sweden has attracted global attention for not imposing a full lockdown, as seen in most of Europe, to contain the coronavirus pandemic.

www.cnbc.com

As far as any other health issues that prolonged stay at home orders can bring. Provide some evidence that A) there is a difference between what Swedes are feeling and most of the rest of the planet and B) Does it make up for the extra deaths that are taking place within their country.

Don't expect me to do your homework for you...well, I kind of already did with the link.

I never said their economy is doing fine. They will, of course, suffer some economic pain due to their own, albeit lesser, mitigation efforts, as well as being dragged down by the world economy because of how the rest of us responded, but will they have depression era levels of unemployment like we already do? The Chicago Fed today predicted we could hit as high as 34% unemployment?

Also, bear in mind, those are more prediction of what some think could happen to Sweden. As pointed out in the OP, the predictions about Sweden have largely fallen flat. In fact, the other day the WHO came out and admitted they may have taken the right path all along after they criticized them for it back in March.

 

[HappyJoy]

Every country that borders Sweden has a lower death rate.

For now. What happens when they start to open back up? Also, what is the collateral damage done to those societies that Sweden didn't experience?

Oh, noooooo. You're under the impression that Sweden's economy is doing just fine?

Sweden had no lockdown but its economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors

Sweden has attracted global attention for not imposing a full lockdown, as seen in most of Europe, to contain the coronavirus pandemic.

www.cnbc.com

As far as any other health issues that prolonged stay at home orders can bring. Provide some evidence that A) there is a difference between what Swedes are feeling and most of the rest of the planet and B) Does it make up for the extra deaths that are taking place within their country.

Don't expect me to do your homework for you...well, I kind of already did with the link.

I never said their economy is doing fine. They will, of course, suffer some economic pain due to their own, albeit lesser, mitigation efforts, as well as being dragged down by the world economy because of how the rest of us responded, but will they have depression era levels of unemployment like we already do? The Chicago Fed today predicted we could hit as high as 34% unemployment?

Why are you comparing Chicago to Sweden? That's kind of stupid. Why not compare Sweden to it's neighbors? According to my link Sweden's own central bank is expecting their GDP to drop more than other Nordic countries. And at who's expense is that? So, no, you're wrong and you didn't read my link.

Also, bear in mind, those are more prediction of what some think could happen to Sweden. As pointed out in the OP, the predictions about Sweden have largely fallen flat. In fact, the other day the WHO came out and admitted they may have taken the right path all along after they criticized them for it back in March.

How's that working out?

Good job Sweden, you're number 1 (Well, not if the U.S. can help it as we'll catch up on deaths per capita soon and already did awhile ago in number of cases per capita)

I believe one guy from the WHO praised Sweden as a model moving forward in the next phase where we will have to open our economies and trust our citizens to know when to social distance. Not based on Sweden's statistical past performance in the bloated number of cases and deaths per capita compared to it's neighbors.

 

[WEATHER53]

Destructive hoax fostered in America over a total population death rate of 0.1%
Worse is the misuse and misapplication of models which I am Expert on due to my weather work. See my screen name
Models are designed to self sustain. They do not project what is the most likely outcome but rather a range of possible outcomes. The shutdowners panic hoaxers seized on the most extreme outcome and sold is as the most Likely outcome
When winter storms are looming we get models showing anywhere from 2 to 24”. Dummies, hypesters and snow crows will seize on the 24” and bang the blizzard drum.
It would have helped a lot for the public and politicians to have a true understanding of what models do and are for-to show a range of possible potential outcomes and not just one.