Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.

[HappyJoy]

Sweden's population is less dense than Denmark. Fix your post.

But if you want to blame immigration then you're going to have to find the countries their immigrants come from and demonstrate a high level of COVID.

Most of the people in Sweden are in the bottom tip of the country. Also, Norway and Finland are sparsely populated, remote and they have the world's worst weather.

I didn't realize Oslo was sparsley populated. What about Denmark? They are by far more densely packed in than Sweden.

I think it's time for you to take Dan the squirrel back to the drawing board.

Oslo has a population of 693,491. Not that big.

It's about half of Stockholm and yet Sweden is miles ahead in deaths per capita. I mean it's not even close.

 

[postman]

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America. Data compiled by the…

talkingpointsmemo.com

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America.

Data compiled by the Kaiser Family Foundation suggests that infection rates are increasing at higher rates in rural areas than in urban settings.

It’s a significant, if not unsurprising trend: the disease is fanning out from big, urban areas like New York City to more sparsely populated parts of the country.


New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York…

talkingpointsmemo.com

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York Times.

The Times obtained an internal Centers for Disease Control document providing detailed projections on the progression of the COVID-19 pandemic around the country. The data goes up to May 2.

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1, and that deaths will reach around 3,000 per day by the same date.
............................................................................................................
Just the facts, dude.

Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. Instead, the government has urged citizens to act responsibly and follow social distancing guidelines.

Part of that approach relies on having access to one of the world’s best-functioning health-care systems. At no stage did Sweden see a real shortage of medical equipment or hospital capacity, and tents set up as emergency care facilities around the country have mostly remained empty.

Sweden Says Controversial Virus Strategy Proving Effective

www.bloomberg.com

 

[HappyJoy]

And here's something to consider:

100,000 Americans died during the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to 1969. Nothing was shut down, and there were 500,000 people at Woodstock.

Hard to argue with how Sweden handled this...

whats different today is our health condition is worse, which makes the death rate here higher.
Comorbidity in covid-19 deaths are mostly hypertension, diabetes and obesity, smoking.
Our crappy diet, high in processed foods, sugar compound the problem.
This virus has been found to thicken the blood, which is exacerbated by the above condition.

However, i suppose a social Darwinist could make the argument that this is an opportunity of natural selection to eliminate those with poor health habits? Perhaps not so much, because darker skinned people have lower vitamin D levels.

As a c

Sweden's population is less dense than Denmark. Fix your post.

cosmopolitan means of many nations/cultures

as in they have immigrants and tourists

there is no implication of population density

edit - and they're 90% urban so i don't know how much more urbanized u can get beyond a city state.

Did you not read the rest of my post?

How urban is Denmark? Their population is more dense, which I previously told you.

Wow surprise they're urbanized at exactly the same rate

Sweden - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Sweden remained nearly unchanged at around 88.49 percent.

www.statista.com

Denmark - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Denmark remained nearly unchanged at around 88.37 percent.

www.statista.com

Population density means basically nothing without more context. If most of your land is shit and you're all bunched up on the coasts like australia your population density is very very misleading. Urbanization rate is much more useful.

Same concept applies to frigid nordic countries.

And are you not going to acknowledg eyou have no idea what cosmopolitan means? lol

They have way more people who don't care/aren't assimlating than the other nations. That can explain just about all the death rate. No1 goes to fucking denmark. Sweden is a cultural capital.

I already answered dumb argument about which country is more cosmopolitan and you refuse to answer my question.

Australia ain't Denmark, there is just an ever so slight difference in land mass.

What nations are bringing COVID to Sweden? Since nobody is traveling at the moment why do Sweden's death rate keep rising over it's neighbors? Why if more people are mingling with each other would you not expect the disease to spread? I'm unclear of exactly what your argument is other than to just be xenophobic in general.

Sweden is a big tourist attraction. Norway, Finland and Denmark, not so much.

I don't know if you knew this but tourism is kind of trashed right now and Sweden's rate of death is still higher than any of it's neighbors. Plus, many people go through Copenhagen (you might have heard of it) on their way to other Scandinavian countries.

You really don't understand that people who get in each others faces during a pandemic are more likely to spread the disease? So, instead you're just going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? Cute.

I assure u dude travel is cheap, people are moving

Again, another claim without backing anything up.

And again sweden is more cosmopolitan than the other nordic countries by miles. You would expect the same problems in stockholme that you see in NY

Yes. You keep saying this. Now can you demonstrate that the countries where people have migrated to Sweden had large numbers of COVID cases?

Music capital of the west

You say that like it means something in this context.

 

[bripat9643]

And here's something to consider:

100,000 Americans died during the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to 1969. Nothing was shut down, and there were 500,000 people at Woodstock.

Hard to argue with how Sweden handled this...

whats different today is our health condition is worse, which makes the death rate here higher.
Comorbidity in covid-19 deaths are mostly hypertension, diabetes and obesity, smoking.
Our crappy diet, high in processed foods, sugar compound the problem.
This virus has been found to thicken the blood, which is exacerbated by the above condition.

However, i suppose a social Darwinist could make the argument that this is an opportunity of natural selection to eliminate those with poor health habits? Perhaps not so much, because darker skinned people have lower vitamin D levels.

As a c

Sweden's population is less dense than Denmark. Fix your post.

cosmopolitan means of many nations/cultures

as in they have immigrants and tourists

there is no implication of population density

edit - and they're 90% urban so i don't know how much more urbanized u can get beyond a city state.

Did you not read the rest of my post?

How urban is Denmark? Their population is more dense, which I previously told you.

Wow surprise they're urbanized at exactly the same rate

Sweden - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Sweden remained nearly unchanged at around 88.49 percent.

www.statista.com

Denmark - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Denmark remained nearly unchanged at around 88.37 percent.

www.statista.com

Population density means basically nothing without more context. If most of your land is shit and you're all bunched up on the coasts like australia your population density is very very misleading. Urbanization rate is much more useful.

Same concept applies to frigid nordic countries.

And are you not going to acknowledg eyou have no idea what cosmopolitan means? lol

They have way more people who don't care/aren't assimlating than the other nations. That can explain just about all the death rate. No1 goes to fucking denmark. Sweden is a cultural capital.

I already answered dumb argument about which country is more cosmopolitan and you refuse to answer my question.

Australia ain't Denmark, there is just an ever so slight difference in land mass.

What nations are bringing COVID to Sweden? Since nobody is traveling at the moment why do Sweden's death rate keep rising over it's neighbors? Why if more people are mingling with each other would you not expect the disease to spread? I'm unclear of exactly what your argument is other than to just be xenophobic in general.

Sweden is a big tourist attraction. Norway, Finland and Denmark, not so much.

I don't know if you knew this but tourism is kind of trashed right now and Sweden's rate of death is still higher than any of it's neighbors. Plus, many people go through Copenhagen (you might have heard of it) on their way to other Scandinavian countries.

You really don't understand that people who get in each others faces during a pandemic are more likely to spread the disease? So, instead you're just going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? Cute.

You didn't support your case. Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull. The virus got into the country before the shutdown. None of the factors that initiated the epidemic are in play now.

 

[HappyJoy]

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America. Data compiled by the…

talkingpointsmemo.com

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America.

Data compiled by the Kaiser Family Foundation suggests that infection rates are increasing at higher rates in rural areas than in urban settings.

It’s a significant, if not unsurprising trend: the disease is fanning out from big, urban areas like New York City to more sparsely populated parts of the country.


New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York…

talkingpointsmemo.com

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York Times.

The Times obtained an internal Centers for Disease Control document providing detailed projections on the progression of the COVID-19 pandemic around the country. The data goes up to May 2.

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1, and that deaths will reach around 3,000 per day by the same date.
............................................................................................................
Just the facts, dude.

Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. Instead, the government has urged citizens to act responsibly and follow social distancing guidelines.

Part of that approach relies on having access to one of the world’s best-functioning health-care systems. At no stage did Sweden see a real shortage of medical equipment or hospital capacity, and tents set up as emergency care facilities around the country have mostly remained empty.

Sweden Says Controversial Virus Strategy Proving Effective

www.bloomberg.com

And more are dead because of it.

 

[bripat9643]

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America. Data compiled by the…

talkingpointsmemo.com

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America.

Data compiled by the Kaiser Family Foundation suggests that infection rates are increasing at higher rates in rural areas than in urban settings.

It’s a significant, if not unsurprising trend: the disease is fanning out from big, urban areas like New York City to more sparsely populated parts of the country.


New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York…

talkingpointsmemo.com

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York Times.

The Times obtained an internal Centers for Disease Control document providing detailed projections on the progression of the COVID-19 pandemic around the country. The data goes up to May 2.

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1, and that deaths will reach around 3,000 per day by the same date.
............................................................................................................
Just the facts, dude.

Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. Instead, the government has urged citizens to act responsibly and follow social distancing guidelines.

Part of that approach relies on having access to one of the world’s best-functioning health-care systems. At no stage did Sweden see a real shortage of medical equipment or hospital capacity, and tents set up as emergency care facilities around the country have mostly remained empty.

Sweden Says Controversial Virus Strategy Proving Effective

www.bloomberg.com

How do you explain Italy, belgium, France, Netherlands, UK and Spain?

 

[HappyJoy]

And here's something to consider:

100,000 Americans died during the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to 1969. Nothing was shut down, and there were 500,000 people at Woodstock.

Hard to argue with how Sweden handled this...

whats different today is our health condition is worse, which makes the death rate here higher.
Comorbidity in covid-19 deaths are mostly hypertension, diabetes and obesity, smoking.
Our crappy diet, high in processed foods, sugar compound the problem.
This virus has been found to thicken the blood, which is exacerbated by the above condition.

However, i suppose a social Darwinist could make the argument that this is an opportunity of natural selection to eliminate those with poor health habits? Perhaps not so much, because darker skinned people have lower vitamin D levels.

As a c

Sweden's population is less dense than Denmark. Fix your post.

cosmopolitan means of many nations/cultures

as in they have immigrants and tourists

there is no implication of population density

edit - and they're 90% urban so i don't know how much more urbanized u can get beyond a city state.

Did you not read the rest of my post?

How urban is Denmark? Their population is more dense, which I previously told you.

Wow surprise they're urbanized at exactly the same rate

Sweden - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Sweden remained nearly unchanged at around 88.49 percent.

www.statista.com

Denmark - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Denmark remained nearly unchanged at around 88.37 percent.

www.statista.com

Population density means basically nothing without more context. If most of your land is shit and you're all bunched up on the coasts like australia your population density is very very misleading. Urbanization rate is much more useful.

Same concept applies to frigid nordic countries.

And are you not going to acknowledg eyou have no idea what cosmopolitan means? lol

They have way more people who don't care/aren't assimlating than the other nations. That can explain just about all the death rate. No1 goes to fucking denmark. Sweden is a cultural capital.

I already answered dumb argument about which country is more cosmopolitan and you refuse to answer my question.

Australia ain't Denmark, there is just an ever so slight difference in land mass.

What nations are bringing COVID to Sweden? Since nobody is traveling at the moment why do Sweden's death rate keep rising over it's neighbors? Why if more people are mingling with each other would you not expect the disease to spread? I'm unclear of exactly what your argument is other than to just be xenophobic in general.

Sweden is a big tourist attraction. Norway, Finland and Denmark, not so much.

I don't know if you knew this but tourism is kind of trashed right now and Sweden's rate of death is still higher than any of it's neighbors. Plus, many people go through Copenhagen (you might have heard of it) on their way to other Scandinavian countries.

You really don't understand that people who get in each others faces during a pandemic are more likely to spread the disease? So, instead you're just going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? Cute.

You didn't support your case. Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull. The virus got into the country before the shutdown. None of the factors that initiated the epidemic are in play now.

"Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull"

So, you're not great with geography, are you? Care to make a correction on that?

The virus got into the country before the shutdown. What shutdown was that, ,princess?

 

[bripat9643]

And here's something to consider:

100,000 Americans died during the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to 1969. Nothing was shut down, and there were 500,000 people at Woodstock.

Hard to argue with how Sweden handled this...

whats different today is our health condition is worse, which makes the death rate here higher.
Comorbidity in covid-19 deaths are mostly hypertension, diabetes and obesity, smoking.
Our crappy diet, high in processed foods, sugar compound the problem.
This virus has been found to thicken the blood, which is exacerbated by the above condition.

However, i suppose a social Darwinist could make the argument that this is an opportunity of natural selection to eliminate those with poor health habits? Perhaps not so much, because darker skinned people have lower vitamin D levels.

As a c

Sweden's population is less dense than Denmark. Fix your post.

cosmopolitan means of many nations/cultures

as in they have immigrants and tourists

there is no implication of population density

edit - and they're 90% urban so i don't know how much more urbanized u can get beyond a city state.

Did you not read the rest of my post?

How urban is Denmark? Their population is more dense, which I previously told you.

Wow surprise they're urbanized at exactly the same rate

Sweden - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Sweden remained nearly unchanged at around 88.49 percent.

www.statista.com

Denmark - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Denmark remained nearly unchanged at around 88.37 percent.

www.statista.com

Population density means basically nothing without more context. If most of your land is shit and you're all bunched up on the coasts like australia your population density is very very misleading. Urbanization rate is much more useful.

Same concept applies to frigid nordic countries.

And are you not going to acknowledg eyou have no idea what cosmopolitan means? lol

They have way more people who don't care/aren't assimlating than the other nations. That can explain just about all the death rate. No1 goes to fucking denmark. Sweden is a cultural capital.

I already answered dumb argument about which country is more cosmopolitan and you refuse to answer my question.

Australia ain't Denmark, there is just an ever so slight difference in land mass.

What nations are bringing COVID to Sweden? Since nobody is traveling at the moment why do Sweden's death rate keep rising over it's neighbors? Why if more people are mingling with each other would you not expect the disease to spread? I'm unclear of exactly what your argument is other than to just be xenophobic in general.

Sweden is a big tourist attraction. Norway, Finland and Denmark, not so much.

I don't know if you knew this but tourism is kind of trashed right now and Sweden's rate of death is still higher than any of it's neighbors. Plus, many people go through Copenhagen (you might have heard of it) on their way to other Scandinavian countries.

You really don't understand that people who get in each others faces during a pandemic are more likely to spread the disease? So, instead you're just going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? Cute.

You didn't support your case. Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull. The virus got into the country before the shutdown. None of the factors that initiated the epidemic are in play now.

"Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull"

So, you're not great with geography, are you? Care to make a correction on that?

The virus got into the country before the shutdown. What shutdown was that, ,princess?

Ah, you're correct. Pardon me. It's in Denmark, right next to Sweden.

 

[bripat9643]

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America. Data compiled by the…

talkingpointsmemo.com

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America.

Data compiled by the Kaiser Family Foundation suggests that infection rates are increasing at higher rates in rural areas than in urban settings.

It’s a significant, if not unsurprising trend: the disease is fanning out from big, urban areas like New York City to more sparsely populated parts of the country.


New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York…

talkingpointsmemo.com

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York Times.

The Times obtained an internal Centers for Disease Control document providing detailed projections on the progression of the COVID-19 pandemic around the country. The data goes up to May 2.

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1, and that deaths will reach around 3,000 per day by the same date.
............................................................................................................
Just the facts, dude.

Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. Instead, the government has urged citizens to act responsibly and follow social distancing guidelines.

Part of that approach relies on having access to one of the world’s best-functioning health-care systems. At no stage did Sweden see a real shortage of medical equipment or hospital capacity, and tents set up as emergency care facilities around the country have mostly remained empty.

Sweden Says Controversial Virus Strategy Proving Effective

www.bloomberg.com

And more are dead because of it.

Prove it.

 

[HappyJoy]

And here's something to consider:

100,000 Americans died during the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to 1969. Nothing was shut down, and there were 500,000 people at Woodstock.

Hard to argue with how Sweden handled this...

whats different today is our health condition is worse, which makes the death rate here higher.
Comorbidity in covid-19 deaths are mostly hypertension, diabetes and obesity, smoking.
Our crappy diet, high in processed foods, sugar compound the problem.
This virus has been found to thicken the blood, which is exacerbated by the above condition.

However, i suppose a social Darwinist could make the argument that this is an opportunity of natural selection to eliminate those with poor health habits? Perhaps not so much, because darker skinned people have lower vitamin D levels.

As a c

Sweden's population is less dense than Denmark. Fix your post.

cosmopolitan means of many nations/cultures

as in they have immigrants and tourists

there is no implication of population density

edit - and they're 90% urban so i don't know how much more urbanized u can get beyond a city state.

Did you not read the rest of my post?

How urban is Denmark? Their population is more dense, which I previously told you.

Wow surprise they're urbanized at exactly the same rate

Sweden - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Sweden remained nearly unchanged at around 88.49 percent.

www.statista.com

Denmark - urbanization 2012-2022 | Statista

In 2022, the share of urban population in Denmark remained nearly unchanged at around 88.37 percent.

www.statista.com

Population density means basically nothing without more context. If most of your land is shit and you're all bunched up on the coasts like australia your population density is very very misleading. Urbanization rate is much more useful.

Same concept applies to frigid nordic countries.

And are you not going to acknowledg eyou have no idea what cosmopolitan means? lol

They have way more people who don't care/aren't assimlating than the other nations. That can explain just about all the death rate. No1 goes to fucking denmark. Sweden is a cultural capital.

I already answered dumb argument about which country is more cosmopolitan and you refuse to answer my question.

Australia ain't Denmark, there is just an ever so slight difference in land mass.

What nations are bringing COVID to Sweden? Since nobody is traveling at the moment why do Sweden's death rate keep rising over it's neighbors? Why if more people are mingling with each other would you not expect the disease to spread? I'm unclear of exactly what your argument is other than to just be xenophobic in general.

Sweden is a big tourist attraction. Norway, Finland and Denmark, not so much.

I don't know if you knew this but tourism is kind of trashed right now and Sweden's rate of death is still higher than any of it's neighbors. Plus, many people go through Copenhagen (you might have heard of it) on their way to other Scandinavian countries.

You really don't understand that people who get in each others faces during a pandemic are more likely to spread the disease? So, instead you're just going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? Cute.

You didn't support your case. Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull. The virus got into the country before the shutdown. None of the factors that initiated the epidemic are in play now.

"Copenhagen is in Sweden, numskull"

So, you're not great with geography, are you? Care to make a correction on that?

The virus got into the country before the shutdown. What shutdown was that, ,princess?

Ah, you're correct. Pardon me. It's in Denmark, right next to Sweden.

Yeah, right next to the country that has over 3 times the number of dead per capita. They're so close to each other.

 

[HappyJoy]

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America. Data compiled by the…

talkingpointsmemo.com

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America.

Data compiled by the Kaiser Family Foundation suggests that infection rates are increasing at higher rates in rural areas than in urban settings.

It’s a significant, if not unsurprising trend: the disease is fanning out from big, urban areas like New York City to more sparsely populated parts of the country.


New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York…

talkingpointsmemo.com

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York Times.

The Times obtained an internal Centers for Disease Control document providing detailed projections on the progression of the COVID-19 pandemic around the country. The data goes up to May 2.

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1, and that deaths will reach around 3,000 per day by the same date.
............................................................................................................
Just the facts, dude.

Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. Instead, the government has urged citizens to act responsibly and follow social distancing guidelines.

Part of that approach relies on having access to one of the world’s best-functioning health-care systems. At no stage did Sweden see a real shortage of medical equipment or hospital capacity, and tents set up as emergency care facilities around the country have mostly remained empty.

Sweden Says Controversial Virus Strategy Proving Effective

www.bloomberg.com

And more are dead because of it.

Prove it.

That Norway, Denmark and Finland all have fewer cases, fewer deaths. We know that the number 1 way of dying from COVID is to...you know, get the disease in the first place. Sweden's plan allows for more of that to happen.

The above, prove it wrong.

 

[CowboyTed]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

Sweden has a worse death rate than the US... (271 / million)

There next door neighbour Norway had 1/8th of the problem.. (40 / million)
Finland (43 / million)
Denmark is (85/Million)

Those numbers suggest that Sweden sacrificed 2422 of there citizens for the economy...

Each Country gets it different and by the way Sweden did some very smart things as well like contact tracing which US is still struggling to get a hand on...

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

And before some one tries to paint a picture as US wasn't that bad... First Europe is about two weeks in advance of US...

Italy, France & Germany Were caught early by the ski slopes... Europe was caught by the the ski slopes season... It was spread through the slopes and all of Europe was holidaying and came off the slopes with it... The big countries (including Austria) have populations which ski during the weekends and that why it spread fast and quickly...

Netherlands & Belgium got caught badly and it infested there Nursing Homes before they reacted.

UK is run Boris Johnson and he fucked up and got a lot of people killed by experimenting with 'Herd Immunity'... UK now had the most deaths in Europe, they are way higher in Increased Mortality of the population (suggests problem much worse). Boris is incompetent fool and the last leader in Europe any one should point to as a success...

Ireland just got unlucky, UK has massive cross travel especially with Northern Ireland using UK her immunity (Arlene Foster, walking bitch who decided to follow UK when they live on a bloody island). They also had a major racing festival in UK in mid March which wasn't called off...

By the way Europe is still having higher restrictions than US even though they are two weeks ahead of US and have much lower numbers..

Example Georgia has growth rate of 3% and low testing rate.

Just to give you example of the difference:

Ireland has 5 million Population and are presently doing 40,000 tests a week. To get to the next phase of opening they need 100,000 tests a week ( that phase is to open Golf Courses and Hardware stores, not Restaurants or Pubs.

Georgia has 10 million Pop. and is currently doing 28k tests a day and is aiming at 70,000 a day. But will not stop them opening businesses...

Georgia has 29k cases but is rising at 3% a day... Ireland is hovering just above 1%...

This is not saying Ireland or Georgia is getting right or wrong. It just a look at the different approaches...

The countries I listed all have higher death rates.

I'm sure you can spend all day making excuses for all these examples that disprove your theory. The bottom line is that HappyJoy's hypothesis is unproven, at best, and looks to be false.

Read what I wrote... Sweden has 8 times the death rate of Norway....

By the way most of Norway live in the South East in Oslo and surrounding areas and towns...

 

[bripat9643]

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

Rural Infection Rates Spike As Urban Outbreaks Subside, Data Says

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America. Data compiled by the…

talkingpointsmemo.com

As COVID-19 may be on a slow, downward trend in the hotspots of New York City, New Orleans, and Detroit, the virus appears to be finding new ground elsewhere: in rural America.

Data compiled by the Kaiser Family Foundation suggests that infection rates are increasing at higher rates in rural areas than in urban settings.

It’s a significant, if not unsurprising trend: the disease is fanning out from big, urban areas like New York City to more sparsely populated parts of the country.


New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York…

talkingpointsmemo.com

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York Times.

The Times obtained an internal Centers for Disease Control document providing detailed projections on the progression of the COVID-19 pandemic around the country. The data goes up to May 2.

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1, and that deaths will reach around 3,000 per day by the same date.
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Just the facts, dude.

Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. Instead, the government has urged citizens to act responsibly and follow social distancing guidelines.

Part of that approach relies on having access to one of the world’s best-functioning health-care systems. At no stage did Sweden see a real shortage of medical equipment or hospital capacity, and tents set up as emergency care facilities around the country have mostly remained empty.

Sweden Says Controversial Virus Strategy Proving Effective

www.bloomberg.com

And more are dead because of it.

Prove it.

That Norway, Denmark and Finland all have fewer cases, fewer deaths. We know that the number 1 way of dying from COVID is to...you know, get the disease in the first place. Sweden's plan allows for more of that to happen.

The above, prove it wrong.

Whether a country has a shutdown or not, the same number of people will get the disease. Fauci has admitted that much. All the shutdown does is delay the time when they get it. We aren't going to maintain this insane shutdown until 2021. We don't have $15 or $20 trillion to pay for that. We might as well bite the bullet now.

 

[bripat9643]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

Sweden has a worse death rate than the US... (271 / million)

There next door neighbour Norway had 1/8th of the problem.. (40 / million)
Finland (43 / million)
Denmark is (85/Million)

Those numbers suggest that Sweden sacrificed 2422 of there citizens for the economy...

Each Country gets it different and by the way Sweden did some very smart things as well like contact tracing which US is still struggling to get a hand on...

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

And before some one tries to paint a picture as US wasn't that bad... First Europe is about two weeks in advance of US...

Italy, France & Germany Were caught early by the ski slopes... Europe was caught by the the ski slopes season... It was spread through the slopes and all of Europe was holidaying and came off the slopes with it... The big countries (including Austria) have populations which ski during the weekends and that why it spread fast and quickly...

Netherlands & Belgium got caught badly and it infested there Nursing Homes before they reacted.

UK is run Boris Johnson and he fucked up and got a lot of people killed by experimenting with 'Herd Immunity'... UK now had the most deaths in Europe, they are way higher in Increased Mortality of the population (suggests problem much worse). Boris is incompetent fool and the last leader in Europe any one should point to as a success...

Ireland just got unlucky, UK has massive cross travel especially with Northern Ireland using UK her immunity (Arlene Foster, walking bitch who decided to follow UK when they live on a bloody island). They also had a major racing festival in UK in mid March which wasn't called off...

By the way Europe is still having higher restrictions than US even though they are two weeks ahead of US and have much lower numbers..

Example Georgia has growth rate of 3% and low testing rate.

Just to give you example of the difference:

Ireland has 5 million Population and are presently doing 40,000 tests a week. To get to the next phase of opening they need 100,000 tests a week ( that phase is to open Golf Courses and Hardware stores, not Restaurants or Pubs.

Georgia has 10 million Pop. and is currently doing 28k tests a day and is aiming at 70,000 a day. But will not stop them opening businesses...

Georgia has 29k cases but is rising at 3% a day... Ireland is hovering just above 1%...

This is not saying Ireland or Georgia is getting right or wrong. It just a look at the different approaches...

The countries I listed all have higher death rates.

I'm sure you can spend all day making excuses for all these examples that disprove your theory. The bottom line is that HappyJoy's hypothesis is unproven, at best, and looks to be false.

Read what I wrote... Sweden has 8 times the death rate of Norway....

By the way most of Norway live in the South East in Oslo and surrounding areas and towns...

Sweden has a lower deathrate than the countries I listed, without a shutdown.

 

[HappyJoy]

Whether a country has a shutdown or not, the same number of people will get the disease.

Really? You got a source for that?

Fauci has admitted that much.

Really? You got a source for that?

All the shutdown does is delay the time when they get it. We aren't going to maintain this insane shutdown until 2021. We don't have $15 or $20 trillion to pay for that. We might as well bite the bullet now.

But you, in your condition probably won't make it through so what do you care? For one, I disagree but let's pretend you're right. Do you think 20 million people hitting the hospitals all at one time will create more deaths than 20 million over 6 months?

 

[bripat9643]

Whether a country has a shutdown or not, the same number of people will get the disease.

Really? You got a source for that?

Fauci has admitted that much.

Really? You got a source for that?

All the shutdown does is delay the time when they get it. We aren't going to maintain this insane shutdown until 2021. We don't have $15 or $20 trillion to pay for that. We might as well bite the bullet now.

But you, in your condition probably won't make it through so what do you care? For one, I disagree but let's pretend you're right. Do you think 20 million people hitting the hospitals all at one time will create more deaths than 20 million over 6 months?

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

Dan From Squirrel Hill?
This is where you get your sources for news/data/facts?
Fucking seriously????

I didn't know the pandemic was over?!?!?!

They are not flattening their curve: Sweden Coronavirus: 23,216 Cases and 2,854 Deaths - Worldometer

 

[HappyJoy]

Whether a country has a shutdown or not, the same number of people will get the disease.

Really? You got a source for that?

Fauci has admitted that much.

Really? You got a source for that?

All the shutdown does is delay the time when they get it. We aren't going to maintain this insane shutdown until 2021. We don't have $15 or $20 trillion to pay for that. We might as well bite the bullet now.

But you, in your condition probably won't make it through so what do you care? For one, I disagree but let's pretend you're right. Do you think 20 million people hitting the hospitals all at one time will create more deaths than 20 million over 6 months?

Yeah, thanks for fetching the chart. Now do you want to add some words to your post to come up with some sort of argument?

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

Think about it looking backwards now:
Where does the virus thrive and spread?
In places where people are crammed together: Trains, subways, buses, airplanes, airports, food processing plants, elevators, etc.
This explains why NYC has had a tougher time of it than LA.
Also, in places where people are already compromised by health and age: nursing homes and hospitals
Opening up places where humans don't have the above listed environmental issues makes sense.

 

[postman]

But you, in your condition probably won't make it through so what do you care? For one, I disagree but let's pretend you're right. Do you think 20 million people hitting the hospitals all at one time will create more deaths than 20 million over 6 months?

It's like rush hour traffic.