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I doubt if any Muslem sect is interested in what a depraved faggot thinks it should teach and practice; any more than any faithful Christian sect would be.
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I doubt if any Muslem sect is interested in what a depraved faggot thinks it should teach and practice; any more than any faithful Christian sect would be.
I think it's a good idea. Western nations have passed anti-discrimination laws based on their own social and cultural standards. They should make religious organizations abide by the laws of the country they are incorporated in.
I think it's a good idea. Western nations have passed anti-discrimination laws based on their own social and cultural standards. They should make religious organizations abide by the laws of the country they are incorporated in.
No one is forcing Muslims to build mosques in Sweden, and if they think the country is immoral for not discriminating against gays, there are plenty of places in the world they can go that would be more to their liking. The country they came from comes to mind...
Personally I don't give a crap about someone's sexual preferences. If it makes them happy and it doesn't infringe on me, it's none of my business and I have more important things to worry about.
Can churches in the US deny people from entering for being gay? I don't think so?So, you want government to have that power to dictate doctrine and practices to churches?
Fortunately, here in the U.S., our First Amendment explicitly forbids that.
Swedish writer Jonas Gardell has demanded that mosques welcome and include members of the LGBT community and examine their attitudes toward homosexuals following the Oslo gay pub shooting.
Jonas Gardell, who self-identifies as gay, stated that after two people were killed in last month’s Oslo shooting at a well-known gay pub ahead of the city’s Pride festivities, mosques should be more inclusive toward the LGBT community.
The main suspect in the Oslo attack, Iranian national Zaniar Matapour, is said to have been linked to radical Islamic extremists who were also linked to the Islamic State terrorist group.
“Of course, the vast majority of Muslims are not extremists but reject violence. But damn it, everyone has a responsibility, a responsibility for how the religion they belong to views gay and transgender people, an obligation to defend and include LGBTQ people in their congregations, to receive us in their mosques as loved by God, just as we are,” he wrote in an opinion article for newspaper Expressen.
Dead man walkingSwedish LGBT Writer Demands Mosques Welcome Homosexuals
Swedish writer Jonas Gardell has demanded mosques welcome members of the LGBT community and re-examine attitudes following the Oslo shooting.www.breitbart.com
I dont think they have that Lil grenade problem under control either
Not at all. I thought the closing of churches during the pandemic was a gross violation of the First Amendment. I have no problems with religious people, most of the people I know and most of my family members are church goers.Evidently you harbor a grudge against religious people.
Or maybe some Muslims would look at Europe as a less attractive place to emigrate to, leaving the more tolerant ones to enjoy a more inclusive version of Islam that was maybe a little less radical?It wouldn’t work out too well for the gay Muslim membership even it it were to happen.
Not at all. I thought the closing of churches during the pandemic was a gross violation of the First Amendment. I have no problems with religious people, most of the people I know and most of my family members are church goers.
I sometimes go myself, not very often though- I'm not what you'd call "devout". I follow the Christian moral code as best I can (sorry about the lust part, God) because I think it's a net positive for society.
I also have no problem with my niece if she wants to have a girlfriend. I'm not under any obligation to inflict my morals and biases on anyone else. That's what laws are for. Live and let live.
Because scripture does not overrule the laws passed by the legislatures.Then why force churches to follow secular viewpoints not allowed in their own scriptures?
Because scripture does not overrule the laws passed by the legislatures.
You can't have human sacrifices either if some scripture calls for it, right?
If someone goes to a church and all he hears is how terrible he is, I expect he would find another church anyway. But if he wants to show up every Sunday and listen to it, that's also his First Amendment right.
Can churches in the US deny people from entering for being gay? I don't think so?
Businesses sure can't.
Demands are fun to make. I demand that Jonas Gardell stop doing the dirty with other men.Swedish writer Jonas Gardell has demanded that mosques welcome and include members of the LGBT community and examine their attitudes toward homosexuals following the Oslo gay pub shooting.
I'm not the legislature or the court. They say where the boundaries are, not me and not the church. Should the church refuse to marry a black couple?So you are saying a gay couple should be able to force a Catholic Priest and Church to officiate and hold a same sex wedding ceremony?
I'm not the legislature or the court. They say where the boundaries are, not me and not the church. Should the church refuse to marry a black couple?
How is that different in the eyes of the law?
I don't think the Catholic Church should be able to exclude someone for being gay, and still retain a non-profit status. If you want to be exclusive, you should be a private club. Even there you are subject to some scrutiny.
No, that was correct: in ethical discussion, always go straight to the axe murderer: It saves time. Because it's just an issue of degree and quantity, not type.You really went argumentum ad absurdum right off the bat with human sacrifice?
Not wanting to hold a same sex wedding ceremony or sign off on the license is not the same as a blood sacrifice, not even the same ballpark.
So you are saying a gay couple should be able to force a Catholic Priest and Church to officiate and hold a same sex wedding ceremony?
I don't deny all that, but there is a distinction made that excludes certain reasons for excluding someone as being legitimate reasons. We've seen the courts side with the individuals in many cases. Sometimes it gets reversed, sometimes it doesn't.Churches can ban anyone from their premises for any reason, or no reason.
Example given, our Mormon friends ban non-mormons from their temples and even fellow Mormons who they opine aren't considered worthy.
The Congressional Black Israelites screen out honkies and others who they see as literal devils.
The Roman Catholic Church excommunicates people for all kinds of reasons, telling them to vamoose.
Well, scripture still does not overrule law.because no race is condemned in the bible, but homosexuality is?
Race and sexuality are not the same thing, despite efforts to the contrary.
Yes, we have a law that protects the free exercise of religion, and that's a good law.Luckily we have the 1st amendment in this country to prevent your type of "thinking" becoming reality.
No, that was correct: in ethical discussion, always go straight to the axe murderer: It saves time. Because it's just an issue of degree and quantity, not type.
Sure: the question of how much against their religion the state can force religious people to do is key: look at the nuns' charity having to pay for abortifacients and birth control pills when they don't want to. CAN homosexuals force a baker to bake a wedding cake for their dubious marriage?
The state now has jurisdiction it didn't used to have. Used to be, the Church could order the burning alive of anyone for anything. And THAT is certainly a human sacrifice for religious purposes, if you think about it.
So what is the balance between state power and religious power is the question. We just in the past 20 years have been dealing with exactly the same issue that got Thomas Becket murdered in the cathedral in 1170. Then they came down on the side of the church dealing with sex crimes and murders of its priests; now we insist finally on the state having jurisdiction.
Well, scripture still does not overrule law.
There are many laws that churches have to follow as places of public gathering. There are fire codes and occupancy limits and handicap ramps and all kinds of things.
They don't get to compare the laws against their holy books to see if they have to follow them. They either follow them, or they lose their special status. That's the difference between our representative republic, and theocracies.
Yes, we have a law that protects the free exercise of religion, and that's a good law.