Taxing the wealthy more will have little to no impact on your life or anyone around you

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Other than your last sentence you're completely clueless.
I've been in business near 3 decades and outside of the crash business grew steadily every year.
You've had near 7 years to right the ship and all you've accomplished is treading water.

What would you do to right the ship?

Well that's a loaded question cause I'm no mathematical genius by any stretch of my drunk imagination.

I would ease up on the epa regulations.
I would approve the building of nuclear energy plants
I would pass legislation to repatriate foreign investments with a small tax
I would CONSIDER a tariff on Chinese imports
I would tell Ford Motor Company that if they built here instead of Mexico that I would fight for tax incentives on their behalf.
I would simplify the tax code to one page
I would consider a plan to offer trade school loans in place of welfare if it was tied to volunteer work
I would double the tax credits for hiring military men/women
I would stop most foreign aid
I would stop paying to study shrimps on treadmills
I would dismantle the public housing system so all of our poor are not stuck in one POOR neighborhood
I would implement sterilisation for welfare for people on welfare with 3 children or more (voluntary of course. Want money? Get fixed)
I would start a national program that gives voluntary money to programs like habitat for humanity
I would stop demonizing the very people that hold the keys to wealth creation
I WOULD LOWER TAXES

Well you have a lot of stuff there. Some are ok, some are good, some bad. Your last one has been tried and doesn't work. All that does is lead to more inequality which slows the economy.

I disagree BUT for it to have maximum impact you need other incentives to help direct the flow of money.

But it really doesn't work if you hand out tax breaks with no strings attached. We have seen it doesn't work.

You can't tell people how to spend THEIR MONEY. The strings should only come into effect when you're getting something for nothing

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Well it's not just the illegals, it's the legals as well.

They come here willing to work for next to nothing, and that's what's keeping wages down.

I see it in my industry constantly. There are truck drivers out there that have no ability to operate a high profile vehicle. They can't read or at times speak our language, yet they are out there on the road swerving around trying to figure out where to go.

Yes the rich will hire whoever they can find to work for less. CEO's are working hard to bring in as much cheap labor as they can.

CEO''s don't make immigration policies, politicians do. The only way a CEO can hire foreign labor is if it's permitted by the government. Other than that, they are breaking the law which most CEO's won't get involved with.

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

The vast majority of CEOs have nowhere near the power to influence policy.

Really? Trump says politicians will do whatever he says.

Oh you naive little man...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well it's not just the illegals, it's the legals as well.

They come here willing to work for next to nothing, and that's what's keeping wages down.

I see it in my industry constantly. There are truck drivers out there that have no ability to operate a high profile vehicle. They can't read or at times speak our language, yet they are out there on the road swerving around trying to figure out where to go.

Yes the rich will hire whoever they can find to work for less. CEO's are working hard to bring in as much cheap labor as they can.

CEO''s don't make immigration policies, politicians do. The only way a CEO can hire foreign labor is if it's permitted by the government. Other than that, they are breaking the law which most CEO's won't get involved with.

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

Well yes the politicians certainly are worse in the formula. But it does start with the CEO giving money and then asking for favors that are bad for the country.

And your evidence of this is where exactly?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Well it's not just the illegals, it's the legals as well.

They come here willing to work for next to nothing, and that's what's keeping wages down.

I see it in my industry constantly. There are truck drivers out there that have no ability to operate a high profile vehicle. They can't read or at times speak our language, yet they are out there on the road swerving around trying to figure out where to go.

Yes the rich will hire whoever they can find to work for less. CEO's are working hard to bring in as much cheap labor as they can.

CEO''s don't make immigration policies, politicians do. The only way a CEO can hire foreign labor is if it's permitted by the government. Other than that, they are breaking the law which most CEO's won't get involved with.

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

Well yes the politicians certainly are worse in the formula. But it does start with the CEO giving money and then asking for favors that are bad for the country.

The greed in in DC. The source of the money that causes the greed is not the problem. You want to neuter the CEO? Regulate the man they pay. Taking a few more of the CEO'S dollars only incentivises them to give more dollars

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But our new hate filled version of the GOP hates head start . And pretty much everything that may help an American.

Help an American such as what? Planned Parenthood the abortion leader of the country, funding PBS which nobody watches, or perhaps NPR so that Americans can get their fill of propaganda just like the tax free status Media Matters gets? How about midnight basketball courts and cowboy poetry (which the Republicans stopped)?

Democrats don't "fund things" to help Americans. Democrat politicians fund things to win them votes.

Watch some PBS, stupid. Start with the BBC. Ay caramba. That's like 200 million a year, dumbass. OOOps, sorry.

Then why don't they fund themselves and keep taxpayers out of it?

Imagine the outrage if our federal government funded Fox or the Rush Limbaugh show.

It's not bs RW propaganda ferchrissake...Try watching it, you might improve yourself.

When you have a basically flat tax, all the money goes to the top. AND YES WE DO.

If you're trying to tell me that NPR, PBS and Media Matters don't have a political bias, then you must be dumber than I thought. Democrats waste all kinds of our money on political friends such as Planned Parenthood and environmental companies.

 

[Brain357]

What would you do to right the ship?

Well that's a loaded question cause I'm no mathematical genius by any stretch of my drunk imagination.

I would ease up on the epa regulations.
I would approve the building of nuclear energy plants
I would pass legislation to repatriate foreign investments with a small tax
I would CONSIDER a tariff on Chinese imports
I would tell Ford Motor Company that if they built here instead of Mexico that I would fight for tax incentives on their behalf.
I would simplify the tax code to one page
I would consider a plan to offer trade school loans in place of welfare if it was tied to volunteer work
I would double the tax credits for hiring military men/women
I would stop most foreign aid
I would stop paying to study shrimps on treadmills
I would dismantle the public housing system so all of our poor are not stuck in one POOR neighborhood
I would implement sterilisation for welfare for people on welfare with 3 children or more (voluntary of course. Want money? Get fixed)
I would start a national program that gives voluntary money to programs like habitat for humanity
I would stop demonizing the very people that hold the keys to wealth creation
I WOULD LOWER TAXES

Well you have a lot of stuff there. Some are ok, some are good, some bad. Your last one has been tried and doesn't work. All that does is lead to more inequality which slows the economy.

I disagree BUT for it to have maximum impact you need other incentives to help direct the flow of money.

But it really doesn't work if you hand out tax breaks with no strings attached. We have seen it doesn't work.

You can't tell people how to spend THEIR MONEY. The strings should only come into effect when you're getting something for nothing

All the tax breaks have done is grow the debt.

 

[francoHFW]

I'll just be glad when our country gets a spine and kicks out all the illegal trash. Stop pandering to them as if they matter and give Americans the chance to take the jobs they want without having to compete for half wages.

Fuck "give us your poor...."

We needed them when we were a fledgling nation. Now they are becoming a major burden on our Financials & take many of the once good paying construction jobs

Well it's not just the illegals, it's the legals as well.

They come here willing to work for next to nothing, and that's what's keeping wages down.

I see it in my industry constantly. There are truck drivers out there that have no ability to operate a high profile vehicle. They can't read or at times speak our language, yet they are out there on the road swerving around trying to figure out where to go.

Yes the rich will hire whoever they can find to work for less. CEO's are working hard to bring in as much cheap labor as they can.

CEO''s don't make immigration policies, politicians do. The only way a CEO can hire foreign labor is if it's permitted by the government. Other than that, they are breaking the law which most CEO's won't get involved with.

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

So who fights publicly financed elections? And loves Citizens United? Jeopardy theme...

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Well that's a loaded question cause I'm no mathematical genius by any stretch of my drunk imagination.

I would ease up on the epa regulations.
I would approve the building of nuclear energy plants
I would pass legislation to repatriate foreign investments with a small tax
I would CONSIDER a tariff on Chinese imports
I would tell Ford Motor Company that if they built here instead of Mexico that I would fight for tax incentives on their behalf.
I would simplify the tax code to one page
I would consider a plan to offer trade school loans in place of welfare if it was tied to volunteer work
I would double the tax credits for hiring military men/women
I would stop most foreign aid
I would stop paying to study shrimps on treadmills
I would dismantle the public housing system so all of our poor are not stuck in one POOR neighborhood
I would implement sterilisation for welfare for people on welfare with 3 children or more (voluntary of course. Want money? Get fixed)
I would start a national program that gives voluntary money to programs like habitat for humanity
I would stop demonizing the very people that hold the keys to wealth creation
I WOULD LOWER TAXES

Well you have a lot of stuff there. Some are ok, some are good, some bad. Your last one has been tried and doesn't work. All that does is lead to more inequality which slows the economy.

I disagree BUT for it to have maximum impact you need other incentives to help direct the flow of money.

But it really doesn't work if you hand out tax breaks with no strings attached. We have seen it doesn't work.

You can't tell people how to spend THEIR MONEY. The strings should only come into effect when you're getting something for nothing

All the tax breaks have done is grow the debt.

Noooo...that would be spending.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Well that's a loaded question cause I'm no mathematical genius by any stretch of my drunk imagination.

I would ease up on the epa regulations.
I would approve the building of nuclear energy plants
I would pass legislation to repatriate foreign investments with a small tax
I would CONSIDER a tariff on Chinese imports
I would tell Ford Motor Company that if they built here instead of Mexico that I would fight for tax incentives on their behalf.
I would simplify the tax code to one page
I would consider a plan to offer trade school loans in place of welfare if it was tied to volunteer work
I would double the tax credits for hiring military men/women
I would stop most foreign aid
I would stop paying to study shrimps on treadmills
I would dismantle the public housing system so all of our poor are not stuck in one POOR neighborhood
I would implement sterilisation for welfare for people on welfare with 3 children or more (voluntary of course. Want money? Get fixed)
I would start a national program that gives voluntary money to programs like habitat for humanity
I would stop demonizing the very people that hold the keys to wealth creation
I WOULD LOWER TAXES

Well you have a lot of stuff there. Some are ok, some are good, some bad. Your last one has been tried and doesn't work. All that does is lead to more inequality which slows the economy.

I disagree BUT for it to have maximum impact you need other incentives to help direct the flow of money.

But it really doesn't work if you hand out tax breaks with no strings attached. We have seen it doesn't work.

You can't tell people how to spend THEIR MONEY. The strings should only come into effect when you're getting something for nothing

All the tax breaks have done is grow the debt.

Wrong

Tax revenue pays the debt. Spending creates the debt.

 

[Brain357]

Yes the rich will hire whoever they can find to work for less. CEO's are working hard to bring in as much cheap labor as they can.

CEO''s don't make immigration policies, politicians do. The only way a CEO can hire foreign labor is if it's permitted by the government. Other than that, they are breaking the law which most CEO's won't get involved with.

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

Well yes the politicians certainly are worse in the formula. But it does start with the CEO giving money and then asking for favors that are bad for the country.

And your evidence of this is where exactly?

CEOs keep pushing for more and more H-1B visas.

American IT Workers Complain of Losing Jobs to Foreign H-1B Visa Holders

 

[Brain357]

Well you have a lot of stuff there. Some are ok, some are good, some bad. Your last one has been tried and doesn't work. All that does is lead to more inequality which slows the economy.

I disagree BUT for it to have maximum impact you need other incentives to help direct the flow of money.

But it really doesn't work if you hand out tax breaks with no strings attached. We have seen it doesn't work.

You can't tell people how to spend THEIR MONEY. The strings should only come into effect when you're getting something for nothing

All the tax breaks have done is grow the debt.

Noooo...that would be spending.

Both, but the tax breaks didn't do anything for the economy so they added to the debt.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Well it's not just the illegals, it's the legals as well.

They come here willing to work for next to nothing, and that's what's keeping wages down.

I see it in my industry constantly. There are truck drivers out there that have no ability to operate a high profile vehicle. They can't read or at times speak our language, yet they are out there on the road swerving around trying to figure out where to go.

Yes the rich will hire whoever they can find to work for less. CEO's are working hard to bring in as much cheap labor as they can.

CEO''s don't make immigration policies, politicians do. The only way a CEO can hire foreign labor is if it's permitted by the government. Other than that, they are breaking the law which most CEO's won't get involved with.

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

So who fights publicly financed elections? And loves Citizens United? Jeopardy theme...

Not me but many on the right do. Know why? They are fighting union money

Dumbfuck theme

 

[Brain357]

Well you have a lot of stuff there. Some are ok, some are good, some bad. Your last one has been tried and doesn't work. All that does is lead to more inequality which slows the economy.

I disagree BUT for it to have maximum impact you need other incentives to help direct the flow of money.

But it really doesn't work if you hand out tax breaks with no strings attached. We have seen it doesn't work.

You can't tell people how to spend THEIR MONEY. The strings should only come into effect when you're getting something for nothing

All the tax breaks have done is grow the debt.

Wrong

Tax revenue pays the debt. Spending creates the debt.

And tax breaks lower revenue.

 

[francoHFW]

But our new hate filled version of the GOP hates head start . And pretty much everything that may help an American.

Help an American such as what? Planned Parenthood the abortion leader of the country, funding PBS which nobody watches, or perhaps NPR so that Americans can get their fill of propaganda just like the tax free status Media Matters gets? How about midnight basketball courts and cowboy poetry (which the Republicans stopped)?

Democrats don't "fund things" to help Americans. Democrat politicians fund things to win them votes.

Watch some PBS, stupid. Start with the BBC. Ay caramba. That's like 200 million a year, dumbass. OOOps, sorry.

Then why don't they fund themselves and keep taxpayers out of it?

Imagine the outrage if our federal government funded Fox or the Rush Limbaugh show.

It's not bs RW propaganda ferchrissake...Try watching it, you might improve yourself.

When you have a basically flat tax, all the money goes to the top. AND YES WE DO.

If you're trying to tell me that NPR, PBS and Media Matters don't have a political bias, then you must be dumber than I thought. Democrats waste all kinds of our money on political friends such as Planned Parenthood and environmental companies.

Truth is liberal, dupe. Planned Parenthood and Environmentalists? LOL when compared to Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Health, Big Finance= ALL PUBS duh. MM only passes on facts. READ IT.

Tell us again how the rich pay all taxes lol- Oh Fed income taxes ONLY lol.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

CEO''s don't make immigration policies, politicians do. The only way a CEO can hire foreign labor is if it's permitted by the government. Other than that, they are breaking the law which most CEO's won't get involved with.

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

Well yes the politicians certainly are worse in the formula. But it does start with the CEO giving money and then asking for favors that are bad for the country.

And your evidence of this is where exactly?

CEOs keep pushing for more and more H-1B visas.

American IT Workers Complain of Losing Jobs to Foreign H-1B Visa Holders

And Obama keeps granting them.

Fuck that. Deny them and FORCE them to hire American

 

[thereisnospoon]

It will only enable the government to spend more money on stupid ass senseless projects like shrimp on treadmills.
You stupid liberals will vote for it and see NONE OF IT. It will be blown on wasteful spending just like the vast majority of your taxes

It should be used to pay off the debt. Those tax breaks for the rich sure didn't help the economy.

Says who? You?
I was easily making six figures prior to the crash. I won't claim that it was tax cuts that did it but it sure as hell wasn't something that carried over into Obama's administration.
You morons claim one thing but your only scape goat is the crash. The crash that was partially caused by Democratic policies. So desperate to help the poor that everyone paid the price.

Just look at how the economy has done, the evidence is clear.

Our economy crashed because of shady trading & financial practices. Partially thanks to people like Barney Frank and their bullshit "help the poor" policies.
The economy stayed in the shitter because we elected a fucking amatuer who knew NOTHING about economics & had the same God damn philosophy that got us there in the first place.

The economy has been weak since Clinton and it won't come back until we do something about all our inequality. We need a strong middle class.

Inequality? Please explain....And you can forget the Keynesian zero sum game nonsense.
Explain in your own words in what way income and wealth should somehow be "equal"..Responses such as " I never said it was supposed to be equal" will not be accepted. And forget the back when the average Ceo made x times the lowest paid worker.....That argument does not fly either.
And of you're going to state something like, "the rich or the boss or the business owner is screwing you or the middle class"....We have nothing to discuss.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I disagree BUT for it to have maximum impact you need other incentives to help direct the flow of money.

But it really doesn't work if you hand out tax breaks with no strings attached. We have seen it doesn't work.

You can't tell people how to spend THEIR MONEY. The strings should only come into effect when you're getting something for nothing

All the tax breaks have done is grow the debt.

Wrong

Tax revenue pays the debt. Spending creates the debt.

And tax breaks lower revenue.

No it's doesn't.

I suspect this is where we part ways in this discussion because you're going to take a talking points position. Tax receipts have proven this ridiculous position wrong.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

CEO''s don't make immigration policies, politicians do. The only way a CEO can hire foreign labor is if it's permitted by the government. Other than that, they are breaking the law which most CEO's won't get involved with.

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

Well yes the politicians certainly are worse in the formula. But it does start with the CEO giving money and then asking for favors that are bad for the country.

And your evidence of this is where exactly?

CEOs keep pushing for more and more H-1B visas.

American IT Workers Complain of Losing Jobs to Foreign H-1B Visa Holders

Why doesnt the gov tell em no?
It is after all in their power to do so.

 

[francoHFW]

Yes the rich will hire whoever they can find to work for less. CEO's are working hard to bring in as much cheap labor as they can.

CEO''s don't make immigration policies, politicians do. The only way a CEO can hire foreign labor is if it's permitted by the government. Other than that, they are breaking the law which most CEO's won't get involved with.

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

So who fights publicly financed elections? And loves Citizens United? Jeopardy theme...

Not me but many on the right do. Know why? They are fighting union money

Dumbfuck theme

Which is now about 1/30 of Koch etc money. They have PEOPLE to go door to door. You're with the a-hole BIG money liars.

 

[Brain357]

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

Well yes the politicians certainly are worse in the formula. But it does start with the CEO giving money and then asking for favors that are bad for the country.

And your evidence of this is where exactly?

CEOs keep pushing for more and more H-1B visas.

American IT Workers Complain of Losing Jobs to Foreign H-1B Visa Holders

And Obama keeps granting them.

Fuck that. Deny them and FORCE them to hire American

You mean congress.

But yes we should deny them. Our economy does not need more workers.