Taxing the wealthy more will have little to no impact on your life or anyone around you

[Remodeling Maidiac]

CEO''s don't make immigration policies, politicians do. The only way a CEO can hire foreign labor is if it's permitted by the government. Other than that, they are breaking the law which most CEO's won't get involved with.

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

So who fights publicly financed elections? And loves Citizens United? Jeopardy theme...

Not me but many on the right do. Know why? They are fighting union money

Dumbfuck theme

Which is now about 1/30 of Koch etc money. They have PEOPLE to go door to door. You're with the a-hole BIG money liars.

STFU you stupid troll moron

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I disagree BUT for it to have maximum impact you need other incentives to help direct the flow of money.

But it really doesn't work if you hand out tax breaks with no strings attached. We have seen it doesn't work.

You can't tell people how to spend THEIR MONEY. The strings should only come into effect when you're getting something for nothing

All the tax breaks have done is grow the debt.

Noooo...that would be spending.

Both, but the tax breaks didn't do anything for the economy so they added to the debt.

Really? When I got my 15k retroactive tax return on my CGs when Bush was elected I spent it on a new tractor.
Had I not received those monies I wouldnt have bought one.
So which would help the economy more? Me spending the money or the gov wasting it?

 

[francoHFW]

But it really doesn't work if you hand out tax breaks with no strings attached. We have seen it doesn't work.

You can't tell people how to spend THEIR MONEY. The strings should only come into effect when you're getting something for nothing

All the tax breaks have done is grow the debt.

Wrong

Tax revenue pays the debt. Spending creates the debt.

And tax breaks lower revenue.

No it's doesn't.

I suspect this is where we part ways in this discussion because you're going to take a talking points position. Tax receipts have proven this ridiculous position wrong.

One time tax cuts worked, and since they've only made the rich fat and Pubs WAY too powerful.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

All business sectors combined to spend at least $9.5 billion to influence politicians at the federal and state levels in the 2012 election cycle, including campaign contributions and lobbying. Labor unions spent $600 million.
Koch Brothers Are Outspent By A Labor Force Millions Of Times Their Size, But...

And guess who takes that money you stupid fuck?

BOTH SIDES

 

[francoHFW]

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

So who fights publicly financed elections? And loves Citizens United? Jeopardy theme...

Not me but many on the right do. Know why? They are fighting union money

Dumbfuck theme

Which is now about 1/30 of Koch etc money. They have PEOPLE to go door to door. You're with the a-hole BIG money liars.

STFU you stupid troll moron

All business sectors combined to spend at least $9.5 billion to influence politicians at the federal and state levels in the 2012 election cycle, including campaign contributions and lobbying. Labor unions spent $600 million.
Koch Brothers Are Outspent By A Labor Force Millions Of Times Their Size, But...

Sorry about reality. That's a fact, no matter who reports it.

 

[francoHFW]

All business sectors combined to spend at least $9.5 billion to influence politicians at the federal and state levels in the 2012 election cycle, including campaign contributions and lobbying. Labor unions spent $600 million.
Koch Brothers Are Outspent By A Labor Force Millions Of Times Their Size, But...

And guess who takes that money you stupid fuck?

BOTH SIDES

The great majority goes to Pubs, for good reason. duh

 

[Brain357]

It should be used to pay off the debt. Those tax breaks for the rich sure didn't help the economy.

Says who? You?
I was easily making six figures prior to the crash. I won't claim that it was tax cuts that did it but it sure as hell wasn't something that carried over into Obama's administration.
You morons claim one thing but your only scape goat is the crash. The crash that was partially caused by Democratic policies. So desperate to help the poor that everyone paid the price.

Just look at how the economy has done, the evidence is clear.

Our economy crashed because of shady trading & financial practices. Partially thanks to people like Barney Frank and their bullshit "help the poor" policies.
The economy stayed in the shitter because we elected a fucking amatuer who knew NOTHING about economics & had the same God damn philosophy that got us there in the first place.

The economy has been weak since Clinton and it won't come back until we do something about all our inequality. We need a strong middle class.

Inequality? Please explain....And you can forget the Keynesian zero sum game nonsense.
Explain in your own words in what way income and wealth should somehow be "equal"..Responses such as " I never said it was supposed to be equal" will not be accepted. And forget the back when the average Ceo made x times the lowest paid worker.....That argument does not fly either.
And of you're going to state something like, "the rich or the boss or the business owner is screwing you or the middle class"....We have nothing to discuss.

I'll try to make it simple for you. A strong economy needs lots of people who can spend money. Suppose you own a restaurant. You need lots of people who can afford to go out to eat. The really rich guy still only eats 3 times a day. So with growing inequality fewer and fewer can afford to eat out. Business for the restaurant slows down because the few rich still only eat 3 times a day.

 

[Arianrhod]

Trick question: Which was the most prosperous era for Americans from the end of WWII to the present?

Remember how some of you pine for "the good old days" (before you were born, of course) as exemplified by that famous "documentary" Leave It to Beaver?

Yeah, you're right - it was the 1950s. The Eisenhower years. The Presidency of the war hero who said: "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

Taxes? Yeah, about taxes: the corporate tax rate was 50%. American jobs stayed in America. The tax rate on the wealthy? 91%.

Filthy socialist, that Ike, huh?

 

[Brain357]

But it really doesn't work if you hand out tax breaks with no strings attached. We have seen it doesn't work.

You can't tell people how to spend THEIR MONEY. The strings should only come into effect when you're getting something for nothing

All the tax breaks have done is grow the debt.

Wrong

Tax revenue pays the debt. Spending creates the debt.

And tax breaks lower revenue.

No it's doesn't.

I suspect this is where we part ways in this discussion because you're going to take a talking points position. Tax receipts have proven this ridiculous position wrong.

Obviously it does.

 

[Brain357]

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

Well yes the politicians certainly are worse in the formula. But it does start with the CEO giving money and then asking for favors that are bad for the country.

And your evidence of this is where exactly?

CEOs keep pushing for more and more H-1B visas.

American IT Workers Complain of Losing Jobs to Foreign H-1B Visa Holders

Why doesnt the gov tell em no?
It is after all in their power to do so.

Because the CEOs give them money to get reelected. We need campaign finance reform more than ever.

 

[francoHFW]

CEOs buy politicians who then make policies. So it starts with the CEOs.

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

So who fights publicly financed elections? And loves Citizens United? Jeopardy theme...

Not me but many on the right do. Know why? They are fighting union money

Dumbfuck theme

Which is now about 1/30 of Koch etc money. They have PEOPLE to go door to door. You're with the a-hole BIG money liars.

STFU you stupid troll moron

Trolls don't give links and argue facts. They're all GOP too. And call people morons as argument.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Help an American such as what? Planned Parenthood the abortion leader of the country, funding PBS which nobody watches, or perhaps NPR so that Americans can get their fill of propaganda just like the tax free status Media Matters gets? How about midnight basketball courts and cowboy poetry (which the Republicans stopped)?

Democrats don't "fund things" to help Americans. Democrat politicians fund things to win them votes.

Watch some PBS, stupid. Start with the BBC. Ay caramba. That's like 200 million a year, dumbass. OOOps, sorry.

Then why don't they fund themselves and keep taxpayers out of it?

Imagine the outrage if our federal government funded Fox or the Rush Limbaugh show.

It's not bs RW propaganda ferchrissake...Try watching it, you might improve yourself.

When you have a basically flat tax, all the money goes to the top. AND YES WE DO.

If you're trying to tell me that NPR, PBS and Media Matters don't have a political bias, then you must be dumber than I thought. Democrats waste all kinds of our money on political friends such as Planned Parenthood and environmental companies.

Truth is liberal, dupe. Planned Parenthood and Environmentalists? LOL when compared to Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Health, Big Finance= ALL PUBS duh. MM only passes on facts. READ IT.

Tell us again how the rich pay all taxes lol- Oh Fed income taxes ONLY lol.

Shit for brains. Where do you think all that democrat money comes from?...The democrat party is in bed with all of those you mentioned above.
Look, you are free to spew all you like. The facts belie your rantings

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

Well yes the politicians certainly are worse in the formula. But it does start with the CEO giving money and then asking for favors that are bad for the country.

And your evidence of this is where exactly?

CEOs keep pushing for more and more H-1B visas.

American IT Workers Complain of Losing Jobs to Foreign H-1B Visa Holders

Why doesnt the gov tell em no?
It is after all in their power to do so.

Because the CEOs give them money to get reelected. We need campaign finance reform more than ever.

I'm good with that.
As long as it includes union money.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You can't tell people how to spend THEIR MONEY. The strings should only come into effect when you're getting something for nothing

All the tax breaks have done is grow the debt.

Wrong

Tax revenue pays the debt. Spending creates the debt.

And tax breaks lower revenue.

No it's doesn't.

I suspect this is where we part ways in this discussion because you're going to take a talking points position. Tax receipts have proven this ridiculous position wrong.

Obviously it does.

Alright. Pull up government revenue from the years with tax cuts & prove it.

If you bothered to actually look you would see that you're wrong. I know that flies in the face of talking points but the proof is there for all to see.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

So who fights publicly financed elections? And loves Citizens United? Jeopardy theme...

Not me but many on the right do. Know why? They are fighting union money

Dumbfuck theme

Which is now about 1/30 of Koch etc money. They have PEOPLE to go door to door. You're with the a-hole BIG money liars.

STFU you stupid troll moron

Trolls don't give links and argue facts. They're all GOP too. And call people morons as argument.

Thats hilarious coming from someone who uses hater dupe as a standard means of rebuttal.

 

[Brain357]

Well yes the politicians certainly are worse in the formula. But it does start with the CEO giving money and then asking for favors that are bad for the country.

And your evidence of this is where exactly?

CEOs keep pushing for more and more H-1B visas.

American IT Workers Complain of Losing Jobs to Foreign H-1B Visa Holders

Why doesnt the gov tell em no?
It is after all in their power to do so.

Because the CEOs give them money to get reelected. We need campaign finance reform more than ever.

I'm good with that.
As long as it includes union money.

Certainly they give the Dems.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So who fights publicly financed elections? And loves Citizens United? Jeopardy theme...

Not me but many on the right do. Know why? They are fighting union money

Dumbfuck theme

Which is now about 1/30 of Koch etc money. They have PEOPLE to go door to door. You're with the a-hole BIG money liars.

STFU you stupid troll moron

Trolls don't give links and argue facts. They're all GOP too. And call people morons as argument.

Thats hilarious coming from someone who uses hater dupe as a standard means of rebuttal.

This is precisely why I don't offer links or opinions or ideas.
Multiple pages ago I went into great detail about my ideas of what we could do to get the economy on track.
See how many liberals quoted it with any level of seriousness?

ZERO

Fuck the left

 

[thereisnospoon]

Wrong

It starts with term limits & publicly financed elections. The crooks are in DC not middle America

So who fights publicly financed elections? And loves Citizens United? Jeopardy theme...

Not me but many on the right do. Know why? They are fighting union money

Dumbfuck theme

Which is now about 1/30 of Koch etc money. They have PEOPLE to go door to door. You're with the a-hole BIG money liars.

STFU you stupid troll moron

Trolls don't give links and argue facts. They're all GOP too. And call people morons as argument.

And "dupes" too...
Fucking hypocrite

 

[RDD_1210]

It will only enable the government to spend more money on stupid ass senseless projects like shrimp on treadmills.
You stupid liberals will vote for it and see NONE OF IT. It will be blown on wasteful spending just like the vast majority of your taxes

So why not take a stand against frivolous spending like you mentioned instead of lumping all social programs together as wasteful?

 

[guno]

At least the libs waste money on helping Americans . Neocons waste money on building walls and more military bases around the world .

Shit, the GOP debates they all complained that we DONT spend enough on military . It's like 1/2 our budget !

That's because the dumbfuck in chief cut our military to record levels.

Pentagon spends more than ever .

We're at war. Derp.......

Did Obama bring home the troops from Afghanistan as promised? Oops...

We're at war.

And when have we not been, Weapons and generals are always in search of another war and enemy , When were we at peace?

My bet a lot of the key board warriors never served a day in the military and are john Wayne/Rambo wannabes