Teacher Demands Her Students Deny the Existence of God

[BlindBoo]

But the teacher didn't do that at all.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Nothing wrong with learning the difference between fact and faith nor with making a case for your answer. Look at the actual list of questions.

The only question I have is whether its age-appropriate.

Student says teacher taught 'God is not real'

And no, its not a "first amendment violation". What an asssinine thing to say.

So if I taught kids in public school that the mathematical probability of Jesus fulfilling the over 300 prophesies for the Messiah was 1 chance in 10 to the 19th power and that science considers such odds as being fact, you'd be OK with that? It's only teaching kids statistics.

 

[Ravi]

Actually the student answered the question 100% correctly in saying "there is a god" might be fact and might be opinion.

We do not know if there is a God. Therefore the obvious answer is "opinion", but it is conceivable that through personal experience an individual knows there is a god, in which case it would be fact.

In either case assertion is also a correct answer, but since assertions can be facts, lies, or opinions the assignment is very poorly designed in requiring the students to choose the single "correct" answer.

Uh, no.

There was no "might be" in the question.

There is a God - fact, opinion, or commonplace assertion.

Commonplace assertion is the only real answer.

False. Why is it not an opinion?

A commonplace assertion can be an opinion or fact. It is stupid to ask a person to choose between assertion and fact/opinion when logically there is no difference. Apples to oranges. Fact/opinion regards the content. Assertion regards the manner of expression.

Stupid, worthless assignment designed as a backdoor Trojan to promote atheism/agnosticism.

Because an opinion implies the reader's opinion. And that is different from a commonplace assertion.

 

[Skylar]

But the teacher didn't do that at all.

From what I've been able to glean it was an assignment on facts, opinions and commonly held beliefs. With 'is there a god' being one of the examples....along with 'people in glasses are smart' and 'Michael Jordan's life time scoring average is 30.15 points per game.'

I'm getting the sinking feeling that this is another one of those fake, manufactured outrages.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Reason 12,473 why homeschooling is the only option.

Student: Teacher taught 'God is not real'

The school's investigation, however, found that the seventh-grader was neither forced to deny God nor threatened with a lower or a failing grade if she did not, Frailey said Wednesday. The district also maintained that the teacher used the phrase "commonplace assertion" rather than "myth." He maintained that the assignment was not graded.

^Tried to teach critical thinking but instead the kid learned to be a victim to get what she wants. Priceless.

Wow, the school investigated itself and found itself to be innocent. Film at 11.

 

[BlindBoo]

Actually the student answered the question 100% correctly in saying "there is a god" might be fact and might be opinion.

We do not know if there is a God. Therefore the obvious answer is "opinion", but it is conceivable that through personal experience an individual knows there is a god, in which case it would be fact.

In either case assertion is also a correct answer, but since assertions can be facts, lies, or opinions the assignment is very poorly designed in requiring the students to choose the single "correct" answer.

Actually the student answered the question 100% correctly in saying "there is a god" might be fact and might be opinion.

We do not know if there is a God. Therefore the obvious answer is "opinion", but it is conceivable that through personal experience an individual knows there is a god, in which case it would be fact.

In either case assertion is also a correct answer, but since assertions can be facts, lies, or opinions the assignment is very poorly designed in requiring the students to choose the single "correct" answer.

Uh, no.

There was no "might be" in the question.

There is a God - fact, opinion, or commonplace assertion.

Commonplace assertion is the only real answer.

False. Why is it not an opinion?

A commonplace assertion can be an opinion or fact. It is stupid to ask a person to choose between assertion and fact/opinion when logically there is no difference. Apples to oranges. Fact/opinion regards the content. Assertion regards the manner of expression.

Stupid, worthless assignment designed as a backdoor Trojan to promote atheism/agnosticism.

Whose opinion is it? It is just a statement. Probably one of the most common place assertions in the world. Yes a person can opine that God is real.

 

[Davros]

Actually the student answered the question 100% correctly in saying "there is a god" might be fact and might be opinion.

We do not know if there is a God. Therefore the obvious answer is "opinion", but it is conceivable that through personal experience an individual knows there is a god, in which case it would be fact.

In either case assertion is also a correct answer, but since assertions can be facts, lies, or opinions the assignment is very poorly designed in requiring the students to choose the single "correct" answer.

Uh, no.

There was no "might be" in the question.

There is a God - fact, opinion, or commonplace assertion.

Commonplace assertion is the only real answer.

False. Why is it not an opinion?

A commonplace assertion can be an opinion or fact. It is stupid to ask a person to choose between assertion and fact/opinion when logically there is no difference. Apples to oranges. Fact/opinion regards the content. Assertion regards the manner of expression.

Stupid, worthless assignment designed as a backdoor Trojan to promote atheism/agnosticism.

Because an opinion implies the reader's opinion. And that is different from a commonplace assertion.

How is it different?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Funny that the same people who whine about "PC" are demanding it here.

Why are people so terrified of kids being taught to think for themselves?

Oh good. Then you have no issue of the 10 Commandments being taught in public school.

 

[BlindBoo]

But the teacher didn't do that at all.

From what I've been able to glean it was an assignment on facts, opinions and commonly held beliefs. With 'is there a god' being one of the examples....along with 'people in glasses are smart' and 'Michael Jordan's life time scoring average is 30.15 points per game.'

I'm getting the sinking feeling that this is another one of those fake, manufactured outrages.

Yeah, the local news is reporting that no one in the classroom backs up the little girls story either.

 

[Davros]

Actually the student answered the question 100% correctly in saying "there is a god" might be fact and might be opinion.

We do not know if there is a God. Therefore the obvious answer is "opinion", but it is conceivable that through personal experience an individual knows there is a god, in which case it would be fact.

In either case assertion is also a correct answer, but since assertions can be facts, lies, or opinions the assignment is very poorly designed in requiring the students to choose the single "correct" answer.

Actually the student answered the question 100% correctly in saying "there is a god" might be fact and might be opinion.

We do not know if there is a God. Therefore the obvious answer is "opinion", but it is conceivable that through personal experience an individual knows there is a god, in which case it would be fact.

In either case assertion is also a correct answer, but since assertions can be facts, lies, or opinions the assignment is very poorly designed in requiring the students to choose the single "correct" answer.

Uh, no.

There was no "might be" in the question.

There is a God - fact, opinion, or commonplace assertion.

Commonplace assertion is the only real answer.

False. Why is it not an opinion?

A commonplace assertion can be an opinion or fact. It is stupid to ask a person to choose between assertion and fact/opinion when logically there is no difference. Apples to oranges. Fact/opinion regards the content. Assertion regards the manner of expression.

Stupid, worthless assignment designed as a backdoor Trojan to promote atheism/agnosticism.

Whose opinion is it? It is just a statement. Probably one of the most common place assertions in the world. Yes a person can opine that God is real.

If you agree that yes it can be an opinion, then why should the student have been marked wrong for that?

 

[Skylar]

But the teacher didn't do that at all.

From what I've been able to glean it was an assignment on facts, opinions and commonly held beliefs. With 'is there a god' being one of the examples....along with 'people in glasses are smart' and 'Michael Jordan's life time scoring average is 30.15 points per game.'

I'm getting the sinking feeling that this is another one of those fake, manufactured outrages.

Yeah, the local news is reporting that no one in the classroom backs up the little girls story either.

Her story is a little.....too specific then. I doubt she's the source of it. If it isn't the teacher, its likely her parents.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I was about to comment that the reaction would be the same.

You're proof of that.

Also proof that kids do need to learn how to differentiate between fact and opinion.

How about the difference between opinion and "commonplace assertion"? Care to boldly go where no man has gone before and take a stab at it?

"I believe God is real" is an opinion. "The Devil is real" is an assertion.

Wrong. "I believe God is real" is either a fact or a lie. "The Devil is real" is an assertion/opinion (which are the same thing).

Yawn:

Best Answer:fact---A real occurrence; an event:
a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.

assertion--Something declared or stated positively, often with no support or attempt at proof.----The world will end tomorrow.

opinion--1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: "The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion

Difference between fact, opinion and assertion?

And why not teach that?

Why lie to kids?

I suspect "christians" are not strong enough in their own faith to withstand much questioning or examination. Do they believe that's true of students?

That's got to be the only reason for feeling so threatened by this.

You suspect Christians are not strong enough in their own faith to withstand much questioning or examination in public schools? I KNOW atheists are not strong enough in their faith.

 

[BlindBoo]

Funny that the same people who whine about "PC" are demanding it here.

Why are people so terrified of kids being taught to think for themselves?

Oh good. Then you have no issue of the 10 Commandments being taught in public school.

Being taught as what? Mythology?

 

[Skylar]

The story has apparently gotten enough press that Snopes picked it up already:

Teacher Reportedly Tells Student God Doesn't Exist

 

[Weatherman2020]

Funny that the same people who whine about "PC" are demanding it here.

Why are people so terrified of kids being taught to think for themselves?

Oh good. Then you have no issue of the 10 Commandments being taught in public school.

Being taught as what? Mythology?

10 Commandments as mythology? Whatever. America was founded upon that "mythology".
Left: Hypocriticus Maximus.

 

[Skylar]

Teacher Reportedly Tells Student God Doesn't Exist

Katy ISD Superintendent Alton Frailey said, "In the investigation those assertions were not corroborated by the other students. Was the activity graded? It was not graded. Was it 40 percent of their grade? Were the students told they had to deny God? No one corroborated that, at all."

Katy ISD siding with teacher after God question claims

Her assertions look to be both extremely specific.....and overwhelmingly fictitious. Which begs the question, if these events didn't happen as the 7th grader described them, where did she get her rather elaborate story?

 

[Ravi]

Actually the student answered the question 100% correctly in saying "there is a god" might be fact and might be opinion.

We do not know if there is a God. Therefore the obvious answer is "opinion", but it is conceivable that through personal experience an individual knows there is a god, in which case it would be fact.

In either case assertion is also a correct answer, but since assertions can be facts, lies, or opinions the assignment is very poorly designed in requiring the students to choose the single "correct" answer.

Actually the student answered the question 100% correctly in saying "there is a god" might be fact and might be opinion.

We do not know if there is a God. Therefore the obvious answer is "opinion", but it is conceivable that through personal experience an individual knows there is a god, in which case it would be fact.

In either case assertion is also a correct answer, but since assertions can be facts, lies, or opinions the assignment is very poorly designed in requiring the students to choose the single "correct" answer.

Uh, no.

There was no "might be" in the question.

There is a God - fact, opinion, or commonplace assertion.

Commonplace assertion is the only real answer.

False. Why is it not an opinion?

A commonplace assertion can be an opinion or fact. It is stupid to ask a person to choose between assertion and fact/opinion when logically there is no difference. Apples to oranges. Fact/opinion regards the content. Assertion regards the manner of expression.

Stupid, worthless assignment designed as a backdoor Trojan to promote atheism/agnosticism.

Whose opinion is it? It is just a statement. Probably one of the most common place assertions in the world. Yes a person can opine that God is real.

If you agree that yes it can be an opinion, then why should the student have been marked wrong for that?

The student said it was an opinion and a fact, dope.

Were you homeschooled?

 

[BlindBoo]

Actually the student answered the question 100% correctly in saying "there is a god" might be fact and might be opinion.

We do not know if there is a God. Therefore the obvious answer is "opinion", but it is conceivable that through personal experience an individual knows there is a god, in which case it would be fact.

In either case assertion is also a correct answer, but since assertions can be facts, lies, or opinions the assignment is very poorly designed in requiring the students to choose the single "correct" answer.

Actually the student answered the question 100% correctly in saying "there is a god" might be fact and might be opinion.

We do not know if there is a God. Therefore the obvious answer is "opinion", but it is conceivable that through personal experience an individual knows there is a god, in which case it would be fact.

In either case assertion is also a correct answer, but since assertions can be facts, lies, or opinions the assignment is very poorly designed in requiring the students to choose the single "correct" answer.

Uh, no.

There was no "might be" in the question.

There is a God - fact, opinion, or commonplace assertion.

Commonplace assertion is the only real answer.

False. Why is it not an opinion?

A commonplace assertion can be an opinion or fact. It is stupid to ask a person to choose between assertion and fact/opinion when logically there is no difference. Apples to oranges. Fact/opinion regards the content. Assertion regards the manner of expression.

Stupid, worthless assignment designed as a backdoor Trojan to promote atheism/agnosticism.

Whose opinion is it? It is just a statement. Probably one of the most common place assertions in the world. Yes a person can opine that God is real.

If you agree that yes it can be an opinion, then why should the student have been marked wrong for that?

You had it right. It's all in the way it is stated, syntax. "Bob believes God is real" or "I think Gods are real" are opinions.

I don't have enough information about what the teacher said to have an opinion on what she should or should not have said to the student.

 

[Godboy]

Funny that the same people who whine about "PC" are demanding it here.

Why are people so terrified of kids being taught to think for themselves?

Oh good. Then you have no issue of the 10 Commandments being taught in public school.

Being taught as what? Mythology?

10 Commandments as mythology? Whatever. America was founded upon that "mythology".
Left: Hypocriticus Maximus.

Many nations have been formed by mythology. That does not suddenly make mythology a "fact".

 

[Ravi]

Teacher Reportedly Tells Student God Doesn't Exist

Katy ISD Superintendent Alton Frailey said, "In the investigation those assertions were not corroborated by the other students. Was the activity graded? It was not graded. Was it 40 percent of their grade? Were the students told they had to deny God? No one corroborated that, at all."

Katy ISD siding with teacher after God question claims

Her assertions look to be both extremely specific.....and overwhelmingly fictitious. Which begs the question, if these events didn't happen as the 7th grader described them, where did she get her rather elaborate story?

From your link:


Jordan Wooley, 12, and her mother Chantel spoke in front of the Katy ISD school board to complain that the teacher told students that God is a myth and questioned his existence. Katy ISD says the teacher asked the students to participate in a school activity. They also say, the teacher explained that a commonplace assertion exists when there is room for debate.

^I hope mom and daughter make it to confession on Saturday.