Teachers Attend 'LGGBDTTTIQQAAP' Sensitivity Training

[iceberg]

I am truly astounded by the level of stupidity, the depth of ignorance and shameless bigotry that is reflected in almost every post so far. They are not teaching the kids anything !! The kids already know about all of this stuff. They probably know more and understand more than some of the staff, not to mention the imbecilic jerks on this board.

The flyer explains that the goal is sensitivity training so that staff can respond to the students needs in an appropriate manner . The comments that I’m seeing here are exactly why so many LGBT people engage in self destructive behavior and even kill themselves.



Read this and see if anyone has something intelligent to say about it and can give a sensible answer to the question that I pose.


LGBT Issues, Children and Education by Progressive Patriot 3.27.15

Many people who rail against the ubiquitous of LGBTQ issues deluded themselves into believing that if we do not support homosexuality and transgender phenomena, the issue will somehow go away. They rail against the idea children will be "taught homosexuality".

However they do not actually understand what that means and most often believe, or claim to believe , that it means that children will be taught TO BE HOMOSEXUAL, or encourage to be homosexual-or transgender. That of course is ridiculous, dishonest, and ignorant. What it means is that children will be taught to be respectful and accepting of those who are different, and that includes an acceptance of themselves if they are the ones who are different.

Yes, some children will come out sooner as LGBT in a trusting and supportive environment but that is not to be confused with making them gay, or encouraging them to be gay. It is giving them permission and encouraging them to be true to themselves rather than live a life of repression, guilt, un-fulfillment and misery. LGBT issues and people are a part of modern culture and depriving gays rights will not change that and you can’t shield the children from it.

Children always have and always will struggle with their developing sexuality including sexual orientation and gender identity issues. In the past, for the most part, children were left to try to understand these things alone and in silence. They would feel guilty and confused about any sexual matters and especially any LGBT issues. Today, there is much open discussion about these issues-in the print and social media, among peers, on television, just about everywhere. In this electronic society where kids spend much of their days on line, it cannot be avoided. Many children know an LGBT child or adult. Children hear and see this all, and like it or not, they are very much aware. As we progress as a society, more and more of that discussion is positive, and young people are much more accepting of those who are different than many adults care to imagine. There is nothing short of criminalizing these lifestyles, and snuffing out free speech-in effect becoming Russia-that anybody can do about it. Can anyone dispute or refute any part of this statement?

My next question is: What do parents, educators and the rest of us do when these issues come up? Here are some options:

1. Do nothing, be silent. Leave the children to their own devices to figure things out for themselves. After all, that’s the way it was 30, 40, 50 years ago and everything was just fine. Or was it? In any case, this is now, times are different and sexuality is a much more salient part of life and discourse. This may not be a great option, if it ever was.

2. Condemn homosexuality and transgender issues openly and vehemently. Doing so will have the effect of marginalizing LGBT kids, crushing them with guilt, and setting them up for bullying. Then all that will be left to do is to keep tract of the suicides, bullying incidents and mass shootings.

3. Engage in constructive dialogue with the kids and among ourselves as adults. Dispense with the hysteria and misinformation and start to deal with this as part of our human experience. We could dispense with rhetoric about “promoting homosexuality and transgenderism ” and the scare tactics such as it leading to incest, polygamy and bestiality. Rather, the emphasis would be on human relations, not sex because relationships are really what it’s about. We could just let kids know that they are OK and loved no matter who and what they are…….because whatever they are, that’s what they are going to be. Maybe, just maybe it’s time to make a choice between ideology and religion on one hand, and the children that we claim to care so much about on the other. The only question is ….will they be happy, confident and secure, or guilt ridden, miserable and confused.

However, you still have those who want to pretend that the issue will just go away. That is ignorant and dangerous. Fortunately , one community had the good sense to know it is wrong and fought back:

while i can understand the confusion a child would go through in figuring out who they are - how many other kids *NOT* familiar with the worlds longest acronym are now exposed to it at a rather young age?

and how often do kids have a constructive dialog in which they understand fully what you are saying? you left out:

4. allow kids to be kids and not try to micromanage their lives ahead of any signs of issues. if you must educate people, educate the parents in what to do should THEY find they are the parents of a gay / trans child and deal with it as it happens with the people directly involved.

this is parenting 101 and the mindset of parents needs to change and not continue to have the school raise your kids.

Sure, leave it to the parents. But what happens when a child has a bigoted, closed minded parent who rejects or torments the child about their sexuality or gender identity and the child has no one else to turn to. ?? What happens when a child is bullied in school or experiences a crisis, ad staff is ill equipped or even forbidden to deal with it?

I made my case for why all adults in a child's life have to work as a team. You can accept it or not.

In any case, the meeting at the school in question is a training for teachers and staff and does not involve the kids. Yet that does not stop the hysteria about teach homosexuality on the part of some.

what should happen to them? what happens to a child in a gay couple who pushes gay values on them?

having our parents values pushed on us is not new and won't change. period. we learn in our own time and in our own way our own values which may or may not coincide with our parents.

for you to pull the 1% out and prance it around as a problem 99% of us need to address and accept is stupid. we can't fix everything and in trying to *fix* this to your satisfaction would only happen IF everyone agreed with you in the end.

since we know that won't happen, we need a compromise in the middle to address the concerns of both sides as best as we can. forcing one side over the other will result in a fight every single time.

all your "what happens in scenario 12,349 when THIS happens? HUH??? again, parents. there are shitty parents out there that most children will overcome and some unfortunately will not.

slapping down gay training in the 1st grade isn't going to resolve this and is only going to continue to divide people who strongly feel it's out of place.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

what should happen to them? what happens to a child in a gay couple who pushes gay values on them?

What are “gay values” ?? Sexual orientation is not a value. Being accepting of other's differences and treating them with respect is.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

having our parents values pushed on us is not new and won't change. period. we learn in our own time and in our own way our own values which may or may not coincide with our parents.

So it’s OK for the parents of a gay kid to push their values my condemning homosexuality and in the process push the kid to suicide. ??

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

for you to pull the 1% out and prance it around as a problem 99% of us need to address and accept is stupid. we can't fix everything and in trying to *fix* this to your satisfaction would only happen IF everyone agreed with you in the end.

Bigotry, the lack of inclusiveness and the failure to appreciate
diversity is a problem for 100% of us. When children are harmed or left to suffer it is a stain on 100% of the community. No one is parading anything around. Kids are already aware of the issues. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me but I do expect that adults will act their age and be there for the children who need them

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

since we know that won't happen, we need a compromise in the middle to address the concerns of both sides as best as we can. forcing one side over the other will result in a fight every single time.

What are both side? The bigots and the civilized people. That reminds me of Trump saying that “there are fine people on both sides, even the ones with the Nazi flags

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

all your "what happens in scenario 12,349 when THIS happens? HUH??? again, parents. there are shitty parents out there that most children will overcome and some unfortunately will not.

Not if they’re dead from suicide or gay bashing

 

[Meathead]

What are “gay values” ?? Sexual orientation is not a value. Being accepting of others differences and treating with respect is.

Is fudge-packing a value?

 

[ColonelAngus]

having our parents values pushed on us is not new and won't change. period. we learn in our own time and in our own way our own values which may or may not coincide with our parents.

So it’s OK for the parents of a gay kid to push their values my condemning homosexuality and in the process push the kid to suicide. ??

If you think elementary age children should learn about
LGGBDTTTIQQAAP

You are probably a pedophile.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

slapping down gay training in the 1st grade isn't going to resolve this and is only going to continue to divide people who strongly feel it's out of place.

Where is their “gay training “ in the first grade and what the hell is gay training anyway? Seem that you have turned out to be one of those chicken little hysterical types that I spoke about

 

[BrokeLoser]

I am truly astounded by the level of stupidity, the depth of ignorance and shameless bigotry that is reflected in almost every post so far. They are not teaching the kids anything !! The kids already know about all of this stuff. They probably know more and understand more than some of the staff, not to mention the imbecilic jerks on this board.

The flyer explains that the goal is sensitivity training so that staff can respond to the students needs in an appropriate manner . The comments that I’m seeing here are exactly why so many LGBT people engage in self destructive behavior and even kill themselves.



Read this and see if anyone has something intelligent to say about it and can give a sensible answer to the question that I pose.


LGBT Issues, Children and Education by Progressive Patriot 3.27.15

Many people who rail against the ubiquitous of LGBTQ issues deluded themselves into believing that if we do not support homosexuality and transgender phenomena, the issue will somehow go away. They rail against the idea children will be "taught homosexuality".

However they do not actually understand what that means and most often believe, or claim to believe , that it means that children will be taught TO BE HOMOSEXUAL, or encourage to be homosexual-or transgender. That of course is ridiculous, dishonest, and ignorant. What it means is that children will be taught to be respectful and accepting of those who are different, and that includes an acceptance of themselves if they are the ones who are different.

Yes, some children will come out sooner as LGBT in a trusting and supportive environment but that is not to be confused with making them gay, or encouraging them to be gay. It is giving them permission and encouraging them to be true to themselves rather than live a life of repression, guilt, un-fulfillment and misery. LGBT issues and people are a part of modern culture and depriving gays rights will not change that and you can’t shield the children from it.

Children always have and always will struggle with their developing sexuality including sexual orientation and gender identity issues. In the past, for the most part, children were left to try to understand these things alone and in silence. They would feel guilty and confused about any sexual matters and especially any LGBT issues. Today, there is much open discussion about these issues-in the print and social media, among peers, on television, just about everywhere. In this electronic society where kids spend much of their days on line, it cannot be avoided. Many children know an LGBT child or adult. Children hear and see this all, and like it or not, they are very much aware. As we progress as a society, more and more of that discussion is positive, and young people are much more accepting of those who are different than many adults care to imagine. There is nothing short of criminalizing these lifestyles, and snuffing out free speech-in effect becoming Russia-that anybody can do about it. Can anyone dispute or refute any part of this statement?

My next question is: What do parents, educators and the rest of us do when these issues come up? Here are some options:

1. Do nothing, be silent. Leave the children to their own devices to figure things out for themselves. After all, that’s the way it was 30, 40, 50 years ago and everything was just fine. Or was it? In any case, this is now, times are different and sexuality is a much more salient part of life and discourse. This may not be a great option, if it ever was.

2. Condemn homosexuality and transgender issues openly and vehemently. Doing so will have the effect of marginalizing LGBT kids, crushing them with guilt, and setting them up for bullying. Then all that will be left to do is to keep tract of the suicides, bullying incidents and mass shootings.

3. Engage in constructive dialogue with the kids and among ourselves as adults. Dispense with the hysteria and misinformation and start to deal with this as part of our human experience. We could dispense with rhetoric about “promoting homosexuality and transgenderism ” and the scare tactics such as it leading to incest, polygamy and bestiality. Rather, the emphasis would be on human relations, not sex because relationships are really what it’s about. We could just let kids know that they are OK and loved no matter who and what they are…….because whatever they are, that’s what they are going to be. Maybe, just maybe it’s time to make a choice between ideology and religion on one hand, and the children that we claim to care so much about on the other. The only question is ….will they be happy, confident and secure, or guilt ridden, miserable and confused.

However, you still have those who want to pretend that the issue will just go away. That is ignorant and dangerous. Fortunately , one community had the good sense to know it is wrong and fought back:

I am truly astounded by the level of stupidity, the depth of ignorance and shameless bigotry that is reflected in almost every post so far. They are not teaching the kids anything !! The kids already know about all of this stuff. They probably know more and understand more than some of the staff, not to mention the imbecilic jerks on this board.

The flyer explains that the goal is sensitivity training so that staff can respond to the students needs in an appropriate manner . The comments that I’m seeing here are exactly why so many LGBT people engage in self destructive behavior and even kill themselves.



Read this and see if anyone has something intelligent to say about it and can give a sensible answer to the question that I pose.


LGBT Issues, Children and Education by Progressive Patriot 3.27.15

Many people who rail against the ubiquitous of LGBTQ issues deluded themselves into believing that if we do not support homosexuality and transgender phenomena, the issue will somehow go away. They rail against the idea children will be "taught homosexuality".

However they do not actually understand what that means and most often believe, or claim to believe , that it means that children will be taught TO BE HOMOSEXUAL, or encourage to be homosexual-or transgender. That of course is ridiculous, dishonest, and ignorant. What it means is that children will be taught to be respectful and accepting of those who are different, and that includes an acceptance of themselves if they are the ones who are different.

Yes, some children will come out sooner as LGBT in a trusting and supportive environment but that is not to be confused with making them gay, or encouraging them to be gay. It is giving them permission and encouraging them to be true to themselves rather than live a life of repression, guilt, un-fulfillment and misery. LGBT issues and people are a part of modern culture and depriving gays rights will not change that and you can’t shield the children from it.

Children always have and always will struggle with their developing sexuality including sexual orientation and gender identity issues. In the past, for the most part, children were left to try to understand these things alone and in silence. They would feel guilty and confused about any sexual matters and especially any LGBT issues. Today, there is much open discussion about these issues-in the print and social media, among peers, on television, just about everywhere. In this electronic society where kids spend much of their days on line, it cannot be avoided. Many children know an LGBT child or adult. Children hear and see this all, and like it or not, they are very much aware. As we progress as a society, more and more of that discussion is positive, and young people are much more accepting of those who are different than many adults care to imagine. There is nothing short of criminalizing these lifestyles, and snuffing out free speech-in effect becoming Russia-that anybody can do about it. Can anyone dispute or refute any part of this statement?

My next question is: What do parents, educators and the rest of us do when these issues come up? Here are some options:

1. Do nothing, be silent. Leave the children to their own devices to figure things out for themselves. After all, that’s the way it was 30, 40, 50 years ago and everything was just fine. Or was it? In any case, this is now, times are different and sexuality is a much more salient part of life and discourse. This may not be a great option, if it ever was.

2. Condemn homosexuality and transgender issues openly and vehemently. Doing so will have the effect of marginalizing LGBT kids, crushing them with guilt, and setting them up for bullying. Then all that will be left to do is to keep tract of the suicides, bullying incidents and mass shootings.

3. Engage in constructive dialogue with the kids and among ourselves as adults. Dispense with the hysteria and misinformation and start to deal with this as part of our human experience. We could dispense with rhetoric about “promoting homosexuality and transgenderism ” and the scare tactics such as it leading to incest, polygamy and bestiality. Rather, the emphasis would be on human relations, not sex because relationships are really what it’s about. We could just let kids know that they are OK and loved no matter who and what they are…….because whatever they are, that’s what they are going to be. Maybe, just maybe it’s time to make a choice between ideology and religion on one hand, and the children that we claim to care so much about on the other. The only question is ….will they be happy, confident and secure, or guilt ridden, miserable and confused.

However, you still have those who want to pretend that the issue will just go away. That is ignorant and dangerous. Fortunately , one community had the good sense to know it is wrong and fought back:

while i can understand the confusion a child would go through in figuring out who they are - how many other kids *NOT* familiar with the worlds longest acronym are now exposed to it at a rather young age?

and how often do kids have a constructive dialog in which they understand fully what you are saying? you left out:

4. allow kids to be kids and not try to micromanage their lives ahead of any signs of issues. if you must educate people, educate the parents in what to do should THEY find they are the parents of a gay / trans child and deal with it as it happens with the people directly involved.

this is parenting 101 and the mindset of parents needs to change and not continue to have the school raise your kids.

Sure, leave it to the parents. But what happens when a child has a bigoted, closed minded parent who rejects or torments the child about their sexuality or gender identity and the child has no one else to turn to. ?? What happens when a child is bullied in school or experiences a crisis, ad staff is ill equipped or even forbidden to deal with it?

I made my case for why all adults in a child's life have to work as a team. You can accept it or not.

In any case, the meeting at the school in question is a training for teachers and staff and does not involve the kids. Yet that does not stop the hysteria about teach homosexuality on the part of some.

"The comments that I’m seeing here are exactly why so many LGBT people engage in self destructive behavior and even kill themselves."
Awww...poor things. I'm sure pedofiles feel so oppressed and so alone as well...we really should be more understanding of weirdos and their twisted perversions...how dare we try to "sway" people to a pathway of normalcy.

 

[iceberg]

slapping down gay training in the 1st grade isn't going to resolve this and is only going to continue to divide people who strongly feel it's out of place.

Where is their “gay training “ in the first grade and what the hell is gay training anyway? Seem that you have turned out to be one of those chicken little hysterical types that I spoke about

seems to me you put anyone who doesn't agree with you in this category.

as for "what is gay training" - what is the topic of this thread again and where is it happening? telling the teachers what to teach is what again?

to be honest i'm not paying a whole lot of attention to this thread other than the LBG???????????????????????????????????? is forcing their views on people again. i'm pretty sure if i forced my views on them they'd have a cow and a few other farm animals.

 

[ColonelAngus]

We should explain to elementary school kids about female genital mutilation by Muslims.

We should sit down 5 year olds and explain to them how Muslim men cut the clits out of their women to prevent sexual pleasure by women because women are just baby machines to Muslims.

Also that Muhammed was a slave owner and pedophile.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

i don't even want to know what this will do to bathroom door signs.

Gonna need an interpreter to go pee

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Attention all those who I'm not responding to. It's because you are just to fucking stupid to waist my time on

 

[Mac1958]

LGGBDTTTIQQAAP

Interestingly, that's also the noise a wooden chair makes when you slide it across a tile floor.
.

 

[iceberg]

i don't even want to know what this will do to bathroom door signs.

Gonna need an interpreter to go pee

we used to need (2) restrooms until we socially evolved. now we need 10. 12 if other groups show up. 15 on the outside. have (2) ready to be built at all times...

 

[Mac1958]

Attention all those who I'm not responding to. It's because you are just to fucking stupid to waist my time on

"too fucking stupid"

"waste"

If you're going to insult the intelligence of others, you may want to first confirm your own fundamental literacy.
.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Attention all those who I'm not responding to. It's because you are just to fucking stupid to waist my time on

You aren’t a pedophile, are you?

Hopefully not, why should 5 year old children be educated on polyamorous sexuality?

Specifically, why?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Gonna need Morse code training to identify bathrooms I guess.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Attention all those who I'm not responding to. It's because you are just to fucking stupid to waist my time on

Translation:
"If you're not as sick twisted and fucked up in the head as I am and you won't allow me to talk you into becoming as fucked up as I am.....well then...FUCK YOU!"