Ted Cruz Natural Born ?

[Skylar]

[. Hawaii is the most authoritative source on their own documents that history has ever known.

Thus, why would I ignore them and instead believe you?

Every document the Kenyan has presented from Hawaii has been as bogus as your fucking mouth. If you ask him real nice maybe Obama will send you his next bowel movement and you can have it for you evening meal.

Says you. The State of Hawaii says differently.

They're authoritative. And you're a fucking idiot.

Why then would I ignore Hawaii and instead believe you? You're the same hapless fool that offered a fake Kenyan birth certificate that you KNEW was fraudulent when you offered it. And stupidly thought that any paragraph that includes the words 'Harvard Law Review' must be from the Harvard Law Review.

Oh, and dipshit.....You've gotten kinda quiet on your fake Kenyan birth certificate and your 'Harvard Law Review' bio. What's the matter.... cat got your tongue?

 

[Skylar]

America only issues one birth certificate.

There's not a separate one for those whose parents weren't born here.

All people who are born in America whether their parents are citizens or not, are natural born citizens.

Anyone who is born in another nation but at least one of the parents is a citizen of America, is a natural born citizen.

These crazy people have no idea what they're talking about. They make up stupid things and actually believe it.

In the case of ted cruz, I personally will never vote for anyone who has citizenship to more than one nation. I don't want a president or politician who has allegiance to a different nation.

ted cruz has duel citizenship with America and Canada. I would never vote for him for any office because of that.

But even if he was a citizen to just America, I would never vote for the man. He's batcrap crazy.

America doesn't issue birth certificates dumbass. Each state (there are 57 states according to our illustrious KENYAN president) issues the birth certificate. So there should be one from Hawaii for Mr. Obama, the Hawaiian, but every one he has presented so far has been bogus, a fake, counterfeit.

The State of Hawaii says otherwise.

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT VITAL RECORDS OF PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II
On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011 HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE HONOLULU –

The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.

“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,”

Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached). On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request,

Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.

WHY did it take YEARS after he was in office to SUPPOSEDLY display this MIRACLE, and why aren't his college records available which would show that he was awarded a scholarship by the FACT he was a foreign born citizen?

It didn't take years. He released a copy of his birth record in 2008.

How many DIFFERENT copies did he release?

obama release yet another birth certificate - Bing Videos

Of his COLB? Just the one, released in 2008.

You ignored it. And your willful ignorance isn't a lack of evidence. Its merely your lack of sense.

 

[Skylar]

Remember the old adage about 'if you hear hoof beats presume horses, not zebras'?

Birthers hear hoofbeats and speculate that those are unicorns......

Winged unicorns, shitting glitter and soft serve icecream. With sprinkles.

 

[Porker]

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It didn't take years. He released a copy of his birth record in 2008.

This one?

 

[Faun]

Good article- worth quoting

The Constitution says that only "natural born citizens" are eligible to be president. Is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas eligible, given that he was born in Canada of a U.S. citizen mother and a Cuban immigrant father?

If Cruz runs, 2016 will be the third consecutive election in which there were questions about the right of a major party candidate to serve. Unfortunately, the Framers left few clues about exactly what a "natural born citizen" is; Congress has not used the phrase in citizenship statutes since 1790.

Indeed, the phrase is so obscure that it has been called the Constitution's worst provision by the dean of the Yale Law School. But it is likely that Cruz is a natural born citizen, because he was a citizen by birth. In any event, even if there were some question, the courts are unlikely to interfere with the decisions of the electorate about who we want as our president.

We have clear rules for who is a citizen by birth, and who can become a citizen after birth by naturalization, but neither the Constitution nor laws passed by Congress define "natural born citizen."

The phrase comes from the English common law, which defined the term as including anyone who, by natural law, owed duties to, and was protected by, the monarch. The sovereign expected obedience from anyone born in the country, other than the child of a foreign diplomat or an enemy soldier. So children born in England, even to parents who were not English themselves, were natural born subjects. As such they were obligated to pay taxes, say, or perform military service, and they had the rights of English people.

The word "natural" was critical. English courts found that some people were naturally subjects if born in the dominion of the sovereign even if Parliament had passed no law making them such. Simply being born naturally created rights and duties.

Politics: Who is eligible to run for president?


The United States had natural citizenship in this same sense; white people born in the United States were always regarded as citizens, even before the Fourteenth Amendment, passed in 1868, put that principle in the Constitution and extended it to African-Americans.

Clearly, those born in the United States are eligible to be president; if they are not, no one is. There is also wide agreement that people who became citizens after birth, such as former governors Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jennifer Granholm, cannot run. Naturalized citizens are ineligible, no matter how able and popular, no matter how loyal and integrated into American society.

The question about eligibility has always been with regard to children of U.S. citizens born overseas, like Ted Cruz, and Republican presidential candidates John McCain and George Romney before him. The Supreme Court has held that foreign-born children are U.S. citizens only to the extent that a law passed by Congress makes them so. As the child of a U.S. citizen mother, Ted Cruz was born a citizen by virtue of the Immigration and Nationality Act. But did that make him a natural born citizen?

The United States has citizens, not subjects; we are a nation of free people, not ruled by a hereditary sovereign. Therefore, the English concept does not translate directly to the American context. Instead, the question is who is a natural member of the political community.

Most immigration and citizenship scholars, including me, believe that the answer is that any person who is a U.S. citizen at birth is naturally a part of the political community and hence eligible to be president. (I argued that John McCain was not eligible, because the statute granting citizenship to people born in the Canal Zone was passed only after he was born; since he was not a citizen at birth, he could not be a natural born citizen.)

Did you read the part about presidential eligibility from his mothers citizenship?

I have no doubt that Cruz is eligible.

Mind you it isn't proven- in order to be 'proven' we would need proof his mother was a citizen he was born- but personally I have no doubt that Cruz is eligible, no more than I ever doubted McCain or Obama's eligiblity.

Obama's eligibility is in question since his mother wasn't here 5 years after her 14th birthday, she gave birth before that! This is why his actual birth place is in question!

Since Obama was born in the U.S., her age is irrelevant.

That is STILL IN DISPUTE with anyone that THINKS...thus leaving YOU out!

Still in dispute???

To clarify, there is no dispute. The matter was neatly resolved and laid to rest some time ago. We're only "discussing" it with you now to laugh at you rightards.

 

[Vigilante]

America doesn't issue birth certificates dumbass. Each state (there are 57 states according to our illustrious KENYAN president) issues the birth certificate. So there should be one from Hawaii for Mr. Obama, the Hawaiian, but every one he has presented so far has been bogus, a fake, counterfeit.

The State of Hawaii says otherwise.

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT VITAL RECORDS OF PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II
On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011 HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE HONOLULU –

The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.

“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,”

Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached). On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request,

Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.

WHY did it take YEARS after he was in office to SUPPOSEDLY display this MIRACLE, and why aren't his college records available which would show that he was awarded a scholarship by the FACT he was a foreign born citizen?

It didn't take years. He released a copy of his birth record in 2008.

How many DIFFERENT copies did he release?

obama release yet another birth certificate - Bing Videos

Of his COLB? Just the one, released in 2008.

You ignored it. And your willful ignorance isn't a lack of evidence. Its merely your lack of sense.

Proven phony by MANY, need me to post the Youtubes, or are you able to find them yourself?

 

[Faun]

[. Hawaii is the most authoritative source on their own documents that history has ever known.

Thus, why would I ignore them and instead believe you?

Every document the Kenyan has presented from Hawaii has been as bogus as your fucking mouth. If you ask him real nice maybe Obama will send you his next bowel movement and you can have it for you evening meal.

Screeches the birfer who fell hook, line & sinker for an old photo purported to be of Bill Ayers and Barack Obama together in college.

 

[Vigilante]

Did you read the part about presidential eligibility from his mothers citizenship?

I have no doubt that Cruz is eligible.

Mind you it isn't proven- in order to be 'proven' we would need proof his mother was a citizen he was born- but personally I have no doubt that Cruz is eligible, no more than I ever doubted McCain or Obama's eligiblity.

Obama's eligibility is in question since his mother wasn't here 5 years after her 14th birthday, she gave birth before that! This is why his actual birth place is in question!

Since Obama was born in the U.S., her age is irrelevant.

That is STILL IN DISPUTE with anyone that THINKS...thus leaving YOU out!

Still in dispute???

To clarify, there is no dispute. The matter was neatly resolved and laid to rest some time ago. We're only "discussing" it with you now to laugh at you rightards.

Of course there are , it's simply the FACT that the feckless RINO Republican's in charge of the party have given up, thinking it's more important to win other arguments than it is to get to the TRUTH... we all know this, that's why many of us are disgusted with RINO leadership! Boy, it must hurt to hear the truth!

 

[Faun]

America only issues one birth certificate.

There's not a separate one for those whose parents weren't born here.

All people who are born in America whether their parents are citizens or not, are natural born citizens.

Anyone who is born in another nation but at least one of the parents is a citizen of America, is a natural born citizen.

These crazy people have no idea what they're talking about. They make up stupid things and actually believe it.

In the case of ted cruz, I personally will never vote for anyone who has citizenship to more than one nation. I don't want a president or politician who has allegiance to a different nation.

ted cruz has duel citizenship with America and Canada. I would never vote for him for any office because of that.

But even if he was a citizen to just America, I would never vote for the man. He's batcrap crazy.

America doesn't issue birth certificates dumbass. Each state (there are 57 states according to our illustrious KENYAN president) issues the birth certificate. So there should be one from Hawaii for Mr. Obama, the Hawaiian, but every one he has presented so far has been bogus, a fake, counterfeit.

The State of Hawaii says otherwise.

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT VITAL RECORDS OF PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II
On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011 HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE HONOLULU –

The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.

“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,”

Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached). On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request,

Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.

WHY did it take YEARS after he was in office to SUPPOSEDLY display this MIRACLE, and why aren't his college records available which would show that he was awarded a scholarship by the FACT he was a foreign born citizen?

It didn't take years. He released a copy of his birth record in 2008.

How many DIFFERENT copies did he release?

obama release yet another birth certificate - Bing Videos

One short form and one long form.

 

[Siete]

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It didn't take years. He released a copy of his birth record in 2008.

This one?

did you make the sign yourself, or did you buy it from Orly ?

LMAO

 

[Skylar]

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It didn't take years. He released a copy of his birth record in 2008.

This one?

No, this one:

The one released in 2008, that Hawaii acknowledged in an official COLB, the one that's prima facie evidence in any court of law. The one you ignored...for no particular reason.

Remember, and this point is fundamental: Birthers are fucking idiots.

 

[Vigilante]

America doesn't issue birth certificates dumbass. Each state (there are 57 states according to our illustrious KENYAN president) issues the birth certificate. So there should be one from Hawaii for Mr. Obama, the Hawaiian, but every one he has presented so far has been bogus, a fake, counterfeit.

The State of Hawaii says otherwise.

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT VITAL RECORDS OF PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II
On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011 HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE HONOLULU –

The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.

“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,”

Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached). On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request,

Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.

WHY did it take YEARS after he was in office to SUPPOSEDLY display this MIRACLE, and why aren't his college records available which would show that he was awarded a scholarship by the FACT he was a foreign born citizen?

It didn't take years. He released a copy of his birth record in 2008.

How many DIFFERENT copies did he release?

obama release yet another birth certificate - Bing Videos

One short form and one long form.

Both proven PHONY!, OR at the very least ALTERED!

 

[Porker]

Or this one?

 

[Faun]

I have no doubt that Cruz is eligible.

Mind you it isn't proven- in order to be 'proven' we would need proof his mother was a citizen he was born- but personally I have no doubt that Cruz is eligible, no more than I ever doubted McCain or Obama's eligiblity.

Obama's eligibility is in question since his mother wasn't here 5 years after her 14th birthday, she gave birth before that! This is why his actual birth place is in question!

Since Obama was born in the U.S., her age is irrelevant.

That is STILL IN DISPUTE with anyone that THINKS...thus leaving YOU out!

Still in dispute???

To clarify, there is no dispute. The matter was neatly resolved and laid to rest some time ago. We're only "discussing" it with you now to laugh at you rightards.

Of course there are , it's simply the FACT that the feckless RINO Republican's in charge of the party have given up, thinking it's more important to win other arguments than it is to get to the TRUTH... we all know this, that's why many of us are disgusted with RINO leadership! Boy, it must hurt to hear the truth!

Yeah, that's it. Your truth hurts.



Hey, vagisil , has anyone reminded you within the last 30 seconds of what an abject imbecile you are?

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Skylar]

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It didn't take years. He released a copy of his birth record in 2008.

This one?

did you make the sign yourself, or did you buy it from Orly ?

LMAO

I think he got it from the same place as the last fake birth certificate he posted: Lucas Daniel Smith. The 4 time convicted felon forgerer who is currently on the run from police for felony theft.

 

[Vigilante]

Obama's eligibility is in question since his mother wasn't here 5 years after her 14th birthday, she gave birth before that! This is why his actual birth place is in question!

Since Obama was born in the U.S., her age is irrelevant.

That is STILL IN DISPUTE with anyone that THINKS...thus leaving YOU out!

Still in dispute???

To clarify, there is no dispute. The matter was neatly resolved and laid to rest some time ago. We're only "discussing" it with you now to laugh at you rightards.

Of course there are , it's simply the FACT that the feckless RINO Republican's in charge of the party have given up, thinking it's more important to win other arguments than it is to get to the TRUTH... we all know this, that's why many of us are disgusted with RINO leadership! Boy, it must hurt to hear the truth!

Yeah, that's it. Your truth hurts.



Hey, vagisil , has anyone reminded you within the last 30 seconds of what an abject imbecile you are?

Only the ones that are abject imbeciles! .....IMBECILE!!!!

 

[Skylar]

Two problems:

1. That's not his 2008 COLB.

2. The State of Hawaii already affirmed that its legit. And they beat some silly fuck on youtube every time.

 

[Faun]

The State of Hawaii says otherwise.

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT VITAL RECORDS OF PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II
On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011 HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE HONOLULU –

The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.

“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,”

Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached). On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request,

Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.

WHY did it take YEARS after he was in office to SUPPOSEDLY display this MIRACLE, and why aren't his college records available which would show that he was awarded a scholarship by the FACT he was a foreign born citizen?

It didn't take years. He released a copy of his birth record in 2008.

How many DIFFERENT copies did he release?

obama release yet another birth certificate - Bing Videos

One short form and one long form.

Both proven PHONY!, OR at the very least ALTERED!

Neither one has been proven phoney, you flaming rightard. To do so would require physical examination of documents authenticated by Hawaiian state officials. None of whom, btw, have ever said the documents they certified, were not the ones Obama had posted online.

 

[Vigilante]

Two problems:

1. That's not his 2008 COLB.

2. The State of Hawaii already affirmed that its legit. And they beat some silly fuck on youtube every time.

It's NOT? Where did THAT come from?