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Profiling brown people good, profiling political groups claiming non profit status bad.
How is it my group? I am black and you are white. We both have the same amount in common with the crimes of inner city violence. Again, it does not affect you, profiling affects me. Well, me and Marti.. it got him shot by Zimmerman.The reason racial profiling is fine with right is simple really, it doesn't affect white males. If it did it would be outlawed. It's that simple. And don't hand me that ...serial killer bullshit. White guys are not pulled over daily because of white serial killers.
Remember kids, its not a big deal until it affect you or your group.
Maybe if your "group" cleans up it's act they would get profiled. Which came first? The chicken or the egg ?
If it were your problem, you would care but its not so profiling is no big deal to you of course.
By the way, before you start with YOU need to clean up your inner cities, Ii don't live there. Do you? What are middle class blacks going to do. How is profiling fair to us? Again, not your oroblem, of course you don't care.
Tell Me Why Profiling is WRONG and a BAD Law Enforcement Policy???
There is nothing wrong with legal profiling which is is a legitimate tool in the fight against crime. Criminal profiling is an investigative method in which an officer, through observation of activities and environment, identifies suspicious behavior by individuals and develops a legal basis, consistent with the Fourth Amendment, to stop them for questioning.No one is saying to value one citizen over another. Simply use limited resources to go after criminals where we know they are. If a white neighborhoods crime rate is higher than that of a black neighborhood then I would have the same opinion. If there are 5 elderly people and a 25 year old around the scene of a crime involving an assault, which one would you profile? Is that ageism? Are you a bigot toward young people or do you have a bias in favor of the elderly? For starters my money would be on the 25 year old. Indeed, most people in our prison systems are under the age of 30. STOP THE ASSAULT ON OUR NATIONS YOUTH!? Must be systematic ageism inherent in the system huh? No, it's just common sense. Or perhaps is Elderly privilege? White Privilege? What about Asian Privilege? No, just common sense.
You apparently don't know what profiling is.
Profiling is the assumption that the guy with his pants around his ankles and a doo rag wearing the $300 sunglasses is an individual who has fully adopted thug culture and is likely up to no good. I would agree.
Your statement illustrates so well what is wrong with illegal profiling. It doesn't matter how "dirty" the group (race, sex, ethnic origin, etc) is? We don't punish or harass people simply because of an accident of birth. In many countries it's legal. Thankful, it's not in the US.The reason racial profiling is fine with right is simple really, it doesn't affect white males. If it did it would be outlawed. It's that simple. And don't hand me that ...serial killer bullshit. White guys are not pulled over daily because of white serial killers.
Remember kids, its not a big deal until it affect you or your group.
Maybe if your "group" cleans up it's act they would get profiled. Which came first? The chicken or the egg ?
Yes, suspicious activity is a valid reason to detain and question a person. Any cop who knows his job would never mention race for two reason. First, it's not a valid reason to stop a person and more important it's the suspicious activity in question not his race.I know the PC response, not all black people are criminals, not all Hispanics are illegals, not all Muslims are terrorists etc. and they have some legitimacy, but it's doesn't defute the fact that profiling is necessary.
For instances, ask any Chicago Cop, if he sees a car full of white kids near Humbolt Park, he pulls them over immediately, because they are on their way to purchase drugs or have purchased drugs.
I talked to a cop buddy of mine who works in a bad part of the city. Nearly all black. Whites get pulled over immediately (doesn't matter how many in the car). A car full of blacks gets pulled over, because in his experience, 9 out of 10 times, he finds things above weed possession.
Now take a black youth in a white neighborhood looking like a thug, why wouldn't a cop or NEIGHBORHOOD watch personal view this person as suspicious. They don't need to arrest him, but they could question him. Heck even a thuggish or drug addict looking white person should be questioned!
Profiling is done for serial killers. First thing they profile is a middle aged white guy and then go from there.
Sorry Muslims, but you are the majority of terrorists in the WORLD at the moment, you should be viewed with extra scrutiny in terrorist cases and vulnerable areas.
Profiling isn't without it's victims, but it's a necessary evil in protecting one's community and law enforcement!
It's not a "PC" response..it's a Citizen response.
No American Citizen should be automatically suspected of criminal activity based on what they look like.
It's a violation of our civil liberties.
When people talk about institutional racism, this is a prime example of it.
no one can enjoy liberty if the are taking a dirt nap.
I'll agree that law enforcement should not profile on race, sex , religion or national origin alone.
But put two or more together and throw in suspicious activity??????
It isn't. And it's done every day. Every time a law enforcement officer observes suspicious activity, every time a detective sees a clue in the path to solving a crime, or sees evidence in a murder case, etc. He or she is putting together a profile.I know the PC response, not all black people are criminals, not all Hispanics are illegals, not all Muslims are terrorists etc. and they have some legitimacy, but it's doesn't defute the fact that profiling is necessary.
For instances, ask any Chicago Cop, if he sees a car full of white kids near Humbolt Park, he pulls them over immediately, because they are on their way to purchase drugs or have purchased drugs.
I talked to a cop buddy of mine who works in a bad part of the city. Nearly all black. Whites get pulled over immediately (doesn't matter how many in the car). A car full of blacks gets pulled over, because in his experience, 9 out of 10 times, he finds things above weed possession.
Now take a black youth in a white neighborhood looking like a thug, why wouldn't a cop or NEIGHBORHOOD watch personal view this person as suspicious. They don't need to arrest him, but they could question him. Heck even a thuggish or drug addict looking white person should be questioned!
Profiling is done for serial killers. First thing they profile is a middle aged white guy and then go from there.
Sorry Muslims, but you are the majority of terrorists in the WORLD at the moment, you should be viewed with extra scrutiny in terrorist cases and vulnerable areas.
Profiling isn't without it's victims, but it's a necessary evil in protecting one's community and law enforcement!
The Conservative Hypocrisy:
1. We love the Constitution more than anyone else.
2. We love Profiling more than anyone else.
Can you please post that in English?I know the PC response, not all black people are criminals, not all Hispanics are illegals, not all Muslims are terrorists etc. and they have some legitimacy, but it's doesn't defute the fact that profiling is necessary.
For instances, ask any Chicago Cop, if he sees a car full of white kids near Humbolt Park, he pulls them over immediately, because they are on their way to purchase drugs or have purchased drugs.
I talked to a cop buddy of mine who works in a bad part of the city. Nearly all black. Whites get pulled over immediately (doesn't matter how many in the car). A car full of blacks gets pulled over, because in his experience, 9 out of 10 times, he finds things above weed possession.
Now take a black youth in a white neighborhood looking like a thug, why wouldn't a cop or NEIGHBORHOOD watch personal view this person as suspicious. They don't need to arrest him, but they could question him. Heck even a thuggish or drug addict looking white person should be questioned!
Profiling is done for serial killers. First thing they profile is a middle aged white guy and then go from there.
Sorry Muslims, but you are the majority of terrorists in the WORLD at the moment, you should be viewed with extra scrutiny in terrorist cases and vulnerable areas.
Profiling isn't without it's victims, but it's a necessary evil in protecting one's community and law enforcement!
Like pulling over and searching cars with anti-abortion bumper stickers on them because all abortion terrorists are anti-abortion?
I know the PC response, not all black people are criminals, not all Hispanics are illegals, not all Muslims are terrorists etc. and they have some legitimacy, but it's doesn't defute the fact that profiling is necessary.
For instances, ask any Chicago Cop, if he sees a car full of white kids near Humbolt Park, he pulls them over immediately, because they are on their way to purchase drugs or have purchased drugs.
I talked to a cop buddy of mine who works in a bad part of the city. Nearly all black. Whites get pulled over immediately (doesn't matter how many in the car). A car full of blacks gets pulled over, because in his experience, 9 out of 10 times, he finds things above weed possession.
Now take a black youth in a white neighborhood looking like a thug, why wouldn't a cop or NEIGHBORHOOD watch personal view this person as suspicious. They don't need to arrest him, but they could question him. Heck even a thuggish or drug addict looking white person should be questioned!
Profiling is done for serial killers. First thing they profile is a middle aged white guy and then go from there.
Sorry Muslims, but you are the majority of terrorists in the WORLD at the moment, you should be viewed with extra scrutiny in terrorist cases and vulnerable areas.
Profiling isn't without it's victims, but it's a necessary evil in protecting one's community and law enforcement!
I know the PC response, not all black people are criminals, not all Hispanics are illegals, not all Muslims are terrorists etc. and they have some legitimacy, but it's doesn't defute the fact that profiling is necessary.
For instances, ask any Chicago Cop, if he sees a car full of white kids near Humbolt Park, he pulls them over immediately, because they are on their way to purchase drugs or have purchased drugs.
I talked to a cop buddy of mine who works in a bad part of the city. Nearly all black. Whites get pulled over immediately (doesn't matter how many in the car). A car full of blacks gets pulled over, because in his experience, 9 out of 10 times, he finds things above weed possession.
Now take a black youth in a white neighborhood looking like a thug, why wouldn't a cop or NEIGHBORHOOD watch personal view this person as suspicious. They don't need to arrest him, but they could question him. Heck even a thuggish or drug addict looking white person should be questioned!
Profiling is done for serial killers. First thing they profile is a middle aged white guy and then go from there.
Sorry Muslims, but you are the majority of terrorists in the WORLD at the moment, you should be viewed with extra scrutiny in terrorist cases and vulnerable areas.
Profiling isn't without it's victims, but it's a necessary evil in protecting one's community and law enforcement!
Profiling is yet another example of our general shift away from equal rights and presumption of innocence, toward a police state where people are monitored and controlled as a matter of course; not because there is evidence of wrongdoing, but simply to 'keep an eye' on them.
I know the PC response, not all black people are criminals, not all Hispanics are illegals, not all Muslims are terrorists etc. and they have some legitimacy, but it's doesn't defute the fact that profiling is necessary.
For instances, ask any Chicago Cop, if he sees a car full of white kids near Humbolt Park, he pulls them over immediately, because they are on their way to purchase drugs or have purchased drugs.
I talked to a cop buddy of mine who works in a bad part of the city. Nearly all black. Whites get pulled over immediately (doesn't matter how many in the car). A car full of blacks gets pulled over, because in his experience, 9 out of 10 times, he finds things above weed possession.
Now take a black youth in a white neighborhood looking like a thug, why wouldn't a cop or NEIGHBORHOOD watch personal view this person as suspicious. They don't need to arrest him, but they could question him. Heck even a thuggish or drug addict looking white person should be questioned!
Profiling is done for serial killers. First thing they profile is a middle aged white guy and then go from there.
Sorry Muslims, but you are the majority of terrorists in the WORLD at the moment, you should be viewed with extra scrutiny in terrorist cases and vulnerable areas.
Profiling isn't without it's victims, but it's a necessary evil in protecting one's community and law enforcement!
Profiling is yet another example of our general shift away from equal rights and presumption of innocence, toward a police state where people are monitored and controlled as a matter of course; not because there is evidence of wrongdoing, but simply to 'keep an eye' on them.
So you'd rather cops put on a blindfold, and ONLY act when the crime has already occurred?
Profiling is yet another example of our general shift away from equal rights and presumption of innocence, toward a police state where people are monitored and controlled as a matter of course; not because there is evidence of wrongdoing, but simply to 'keep an eye' on them.
So you'd rather cops put on a blindfold, and ONLY act when the crime has already occurred?
So, you'd rather cops just roust anyone they don't like 'cause they don't like the way they look? (Isn't this fun? We can both play the strawman game!)
If you'd like to address what I actually said, that would be cool.
I don't think there is any argument that police should not use legal profiling. I suspect most people don't know the difference.The Conservative Hypocrisy:
1. We love the Constitution more than anyone else.
2. We love Profiling more than anyone else.
obfuscation.
Tell your friends at the ACLU that
Law enforcement profiling isn't going anywhere.
I'd rather they do the following:
Abide by Terry vs Ohio, which says a cop must have a minimum of "reasonable suspicion" that crime MAY have been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed, and the person MAY be involved......based on facts and circumstances that would make a "reasonable person" feel or think the same way.......in order to conduct a "Terry Stop", a legal detention of a person based on the above, even if it is determined that the crime had, in fact, not occurred, or this person was not involved. Thats why sometimes, circumstances cause innocent people to get stopped for a few minutes.
See? Thats what me, with 8 years of experience working some of Atlanta's worst areas, can tell you, who has absolutely no experience with this topic, about how real police work happens to keep your ass safe at night while you type on USMB about how cops "should" or "could" do their jobs.
I know the PC response, not all black people are criminals, not all Hispanics are illegals, not all Muslims are terrorists etc. and they have some legitimacy, but it's doesn't defute the fact that profiling is necessary.
For instances, ask any Chicago Cop, if he sees a car full of white kids near Humbolt Park, he pulls them over immediately, because they are on their way to purchase drugs or have purchased drugs.
I talked to a cop buddy of mine who works in a bad part of the city. Nearly all black. Whites get pulled over immediately (doesn't matter how many in the car). A car full of blacks gets pulled over, because in his experience, 9 out of 10 times, he finds things above weed possession.
Now take a black youth in a white neighborhood looking like a thug, why wouldn't a cop or NEIGHBORHOOD watch personal view this person as suspicious. They don't need to arrest him, but they could question him. Heck even a thuggish or drug addict looking white person should be questioned!
Profiling is done for serial killers. First thing they profile is a middle aged white guy and then go from there.
Sorry Muslims, but you are the majority of terrorists in the WORLD at the moment, you should be viewed with extra scrutiny in terrorist cases and vulnerable areas.
Profiling isn't without it's victims, but it's a necessary evil in protecting one's community and law enforcement!
So you'd rather cops put on a blindfold, and ONLY act when the crime has already occurred?
So, you'd rather cops just roust anyone they don't like 'cause they don't like the way they look? (Isn't this fun? We can both play the strawman game!)
If you'd like to address what I actually said, that would be cool.
No, I wouldnt rather have that. I'd rather they do the following:
Abide by Terry vs Ohio, which says a cop must have a minimum of "reasonable suspicion" that crime MAY have been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed, and the person MAY be involved......based on facts and circumstances that would make a "reasonable person" feel or think the same way.......in order to conduct a "Terry Stop", a legal detention of a person based on the above, even if it is determined that the crime had, in fact, not occurred, or this person was not involved. Thats why sometimes, circumstances cause innocent people to get stopped for a few minutes.
Then abide by Graham vs Connor with regards to reasonable an necessary force based on facts or circumstances an officer knows or should know.
Then apply those through the Broken Windows Theory, a tried and true theory of law enforcement which has helped crime reach all time lows over the past 20 years.
See? Thats what me, with 8 years of experience working some of Atlanta's worst areas, can tell you, who has absolutely no experience with this topic, about how real police work happens to keep your ass safe at night while you type on USMB about how cops "should" or "could" do their jobs.