Ten Gun Myths and Memes-- Shot Down

[Bfgrn]

https://www.google.com/search?q=gun...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Googled 'gun confiscation proposal' for you, Bfgrn...

It seems you haven't been keeping up...

Reading without reflecting is like eating without digesting.
Edmund Burke

It seems you are too retarded to read. I will say it again.

No one is calling for disarming the populace. Nothing even close to disarming the populace. That is your paranoid, polarized dysfunctional small brain overwhelmed by chicken little fear.

The right wing articles your query found are states trying to implement an assault weapons ban and a clip size restriction. No one is calling for disarming the populace. Nothing even close to disarming the populace.

Attempting to confiscate THE MOST EFFECTIVE ARMS for home and self defense IS 'disarming the populace', moron. The only difference between an all-out confiscation and what's being proposed is DEGREE.

Take away the 'assault weapons' (which you morons can't even define other than cosmetics), then go after the semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, then the semi-auto pistols, then the lever action rifles, then the revolvers, then the knives (see not-so-Great Britain for THAT example), etc., etc., ad infinitum.

Stop lying about your ULTIMATE goal, we KNOW better!

That is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN the 'ultimate' goal, no matter how many times you hide under the bed, curl into the fetal position, suck your thumb and chant it.

It is a fabrication in YOUR mind, not mine or other liberals. What President Obama proposed is the 'ultimate'. Common sense gun laws. If all of it passed tomorrow, that would be the end of it.

Like most liberals, I SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT. THAT is what is in my mind. It always has been and always will. I earnestly believe every law abiding citizen has the right to bear arms to protect themselves, their family and their property. I DON'T believe an assault weapon with large magazines is needed by any law abiding citizen, unless that citizen falsely believes they have the right to own and use the same weaponry as police and the military.

We are a nation of laws, not men. The LAW says it is unconstitutional to ban all firearms. But the law does NOT say 'some' weapons cannot be banned if they are deemed 'dangerous and unusual weapons'.

In District of Columbia vs. Heller, the right wing robes Scalia, Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas and Alito ruled in 2008:

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.

2. ...finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN the 'ultimate' goal, no matter how many times you hide under the bed, curl into the fetal position, suck your thumb and chant it.

Bugfucker, I know you're a coward and hide from me - ever since I humiliated you a couple of years ago... No problem, I can humiliate you even as you hide under your bed and piss yourself.

First off, you're lying. You're making statements you know to be false with the intent of deceiving others.

{Aside from regulated hunting exceptions and those individuals who are deemed in danger by the police commissioner, all U.S. civilians should be banned from owning any kind of gun, argued former New York City Mayor Ed Koch in a radio interview today.

“I don’t believe that in our society that we should have guns,” said Koch, a Democrat, speaking on New York WABC Radio’s “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio.”

Continued Koch: “If I had my way I would pass such a law except to allow hunting and target practice and you lay out safety precautions for that.}

Ex-NYC mayor: Ban all guns

{Nobody needs to have a handgun in America.

Nobody needs to have guns in their home, period.

That should be the starting point for any discussion about gun control in our insanely murderous society.}
Ban all guns, now - Columns - Detroit Metro Times


Everyone here, especially you, know full well that the agenda of the left is to fully disarm the commoners.

You look like a fool when you lie about this. No one - not one person, believes you - especially not you.

 

[Pogo]

That is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN the 'ultimate' goal, no matter how many times you hide under the bed, curl into the fetal position, suck your thumb and chant it.

Bugfucker, I know you're a coward and hide from me - ever since I humiliated a couple of years ago... No problem, I can humiliate you even as you hide under your bed and piss yourself.

First off, you're lying. You're making statements you know to be false with the intent of deceiving others.

{Aside from regulated hunting exceptions and those individuals who are deemed in danger by the police commissioner, all U.S. civilians should be banned from owning any kind of gun, argued former New York City Mayor Ed Koch in a radio interview today.

“I don’t believe that in our society that we should have guns,” said Koch, a Democrat, speaking on New York WABC Radio’s “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio.”

Continued Koch: “If I had my way I would pass such a law except to allow hunting and target practice and you lay out safety precautions for that.}

Ex-NYC mayor: Ban all guns

{Nobody needs to have a handgun in America.

Nobody needs to have guns in their home, period.

That should be the starting point for any discussion about gun control in our insanely murderous society.}
Ban all guns, now - Columns - Detroit Metro Times


Everyone here, especially you, know full well that the agenda of the left is to fully disarm the commoners.

You look like a fool when you lie about this. No one - not one person, believes you - especially not you.

This from the guy who just tried to sell the idea that there are 40 million AR-15s in the country based on fuzzy Rovian math easily disproven from his own link, speaking of humiliation

Btw, nooz flash: opinions cannot be "lies". No more than your paranoia fantasies become "facts" just becuase you declare them so.

 

[Uncensored2008]

This from the guy who just tried to sell the idea that there are 40 million AR-15s in the country based on fuzzy Rovian math easily disproven from his own link, speaking of humiliation

Ohh, a straw man, who would ever guess that logical fallacy would be the foundation of your defense.

Oh, BTW sparky - YOUR LEFTIST HATE SITES confirmed my estimate - you kind of forgot that part...

Btw, nooz flash: opinions cannot be "lies". No more than your paranoia fantasies become "facts" just becuase you declare them so.

Bugfucker claiming that "no one is trying to ban all guns" is a direct lie. A statement that he and you both know to be false, that he made with the intent to deceive.

The goal of the left is to completely disarm the commoners. That is a fact.

 

[Pogo]

This from the guy who just tried to sell the idea that there are 40 million AR-15s in the country based on fuzzy Rovian math easily disproven from his own link, speaking of humiliation

Ohh, a straw man, who would ever guess that logical fallacy would be the foundation of your defense.

Oh, BTW sparky - YOUR LEFTIST HATE SITES confirmed my estimate - you kind of forgot that part...

Btw, nooz flash: opinions cannot be "lies". No more than your paranoia fantasies become "facts" just becuase you declare them so.

Bugfucker claiming that "no one is trying to ban all guns" is a direct lie. A statement that he and you both know to be false, that he made with the intent to deceive.

The goal of the left is to completely disarm the commoners. That is a fact.

No, that is an opinion, Zippy. You're old enough to know the difference by now.
Paranoia strikes deep...

btw your statistical spankin', using your own link, was here, two days ago. Wanna see it again?

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, that is an opinion, Zippy. You're old enough to know the difference by now.
Paranoia strikes deep...

It is my opinion that the end game is the total disarmament of American commoners. It is a fact that many leading leftists have called for such a ban. It is a fact that Bugfucker lied when he claimed that "no one wants to take all guns."

btw your statistical spankin', using your own link, was here, two days ago. Wanna see it again?

Ohh, another straw man.

Without logical fallacy, you'd never even approach logic....

 

[Bfgrn]

That is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN the 'ultimate' goal, no matter how many times you hide under the bed, curl into the fetal position, suck your thumb and chant it.

Bugfucker, I know you're a coward and hide from me - ever since I humiliated you a couple of years ago... No problem, I can humiliate you even as you hide under your bed and piss yourself.

First off, you're lying. You're making statements you know to be false with the intent of deceiving others.

{Aside from regulated hunting exceptions and those individuals who are deemed in danger by the police commissioner, all U.S. civilians should be banned from owning any kind of gun, argued former New York City Mayor Ed Koch in a radio interview today.

“I don’t believe that in our society that we should have guns,” said Koch, a Democrat, speaking on New York WABC Radio’s “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio.”

Continued Koch: “If I had my way I would pass such a law except to allow hunting and target practice and you lay out safety precautions for that.}

Ex-NYC mayor: Ban all guns

{Nobody needs to have a handgun in America.

Nobody needs to have guns in their home, period.

That should be the starting point for any discussion about gun control in our insanely murderous society.}
Ban all guns, now - Columns - Detroit Metro Times


Everyone here, especially you, know full well that the agenda of the left is to fully disarm the commoners.

You look like a fool when you lie about this. No one - not one person, believes you - especially not you.

WOW, you found a dead mayor exercising his first amendment rights. If you were paying attention, I said: "Like most liberals, I SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT."

In a June 2008 poll taken by CNN, an overwhelming 87 percent of Americans opposed laws preventing all Americans from owning guns.

An August CNN/ORC poll asked respondents whether they favor or oppose a number of specific policies to restrict gun ownership. And when you drill down to that level, many policies, including banning the manufacture and possession of semi-automatic rifles, are popular.

Do the math...but you will need a flashlight to see your fingers and toes while sniveling under the bed you chicken little coward.

 

[Uncensored2008]

WOW, you found a dead mayor exercising his first amendment rights. If you were paying attention, I said: "Like most liberals, I SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT."

You're not a liberal, you're a leftist. And most leftists seek to end basic civil liberties.

And we all remember

{Missouri Democrat state Rep. Rory Ellinger has put forth H.B. 545, which would ban "assault weapons" and many semi-automatic pistols. It would give owners of said weapons 90 days to either turn them in or get them out of the state.

After 90 days, those in possession of such weapons would face class "C" felony charges.}

MO Democrat Proposes Gun Ban, 90 Days to Turn in 'Assault Weapons'

The left seeks to disarm commoners - plain fact.

In a June 2008 poll taken by CNN, an overwhelming 87 percent of Americans opposed laws preventing all Americans from owning guns.

That's nice - but irrelevant to your claim that "no one want's to take your guns."

Do the math...but you will need a flashlight to see your fingers and toes while sniveling under the bed you chicken little coward.

I have ONE person on ignore - Mr. Shithead - and only because the graphics he posts screw up the screen scroll.

I'm right here, openly spanking you again....

 

[Spoonman]

That is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN the 'ultimate' goal, no matter how many times you hide under the bed, curl into the fetal position, suck your thumb and chant it.

Bugfucker, I know you're a coward and hide from me - ever since I humiliated you a couple of years ago... No problem, I can humiliate you even as you hide under your bed and piss yourself.

First off, you're lying. You're making statements you know to be false with the intent of deceiving others.

{Aside from regulated hunting exceptions and those individuals who are deemed in danger by the police commissioner, all U.S. civilians should be banned from owning any kind of gun, argued former New York City Mayor Ed Koch in a radio interview today.

“I don’t believe that in our society that we should have guns,” said Koch, a Democrat, speaking on New York WABC Radio’s “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio.”

Continued Koch: “If I had my way I would pass such a law except to allow hunting and target practice and you lay out safety precautions for that.}

Ex-NYC mayor: Ban all guns

{Nobody needs to have a handgun in America.

Nobody needs to have guns in their home, period.

That should be the starting point for any discussion about gun control in our insanely murderous society.}
Ban all guns, now - Columns - Detroit Metro Times


Everyone here, especially you, know full well that the agenda of the left is to fully disarm the commoners.

You look like a fool when you lie about this. No one - not one person, believes you - especially not you.

WOW, you found a dead mayor exercising his first amendment rights. If you were paying attention, I said: "Like most liberals, I SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT."

In a June 2008 poll taken by CNN, an overwhelming 87 percent of Americans opposed laws preventing all Americans from owning guns.

An August CNN/ORC poll asked respondents whether they favor or oppose a number of specific policies to restrict gun ownership. And when you drill down to that level, many policies, including banning the manufacture and possession of semi-automatic rifles, are popular.

Do the math...but you will need a flashlight to see your fingers and toes while sniveling under the bed you chicken little coward.

banning any type of gun is an infringement on the right to bear arms. as soon as you start infringing you are taking away the intended right. stop trying to spin it around and saying well we aren't trying to totally ban. you are infringing, that is the problem line

 

[Bfgrn]

Bugfucker, I know you're a coward and hide from me - ever since I humiliated you a couple of years ago... No problem, I can humiliate you even as you hide under your bed and piss yourself.

First off, you're lying. You're making statements you know to be false with the intent of deceiving others.

{Aside from regulated hunting exceptions and those individuals who are deemed in danger by the police commissioner, all U.S. civilians should be banned from owning any kind of gun, argued former New York City Mayor Ed Koch in a radio interview today.

“I don’t believe that in our society that we should have guns,” said Koch, a Democrat, speaking on New York WABC Radio’s “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio.”

Continued Koch: “If I had my way I would pass such a law except to allow hunting and target practice and you lay out safety precautions for that.}

Ex-NYC mayor: Ban all guns

{Nobody needs to have a handgun in America.

Nobody needs to have guns in their home, period.

That should be the starting point for any discussion about gun control in our insanely murderous society.}
Ban all guns, now - Columns - Detroit Metro Times


Everyone here, especially you, know full well that the agenda of the left is to fully disarm the commoners.

You look like a fool when you lie about this. No one - not one person, believes you - especially not you.

WOW, you found a dead mayor exercising his first amendment rights. If you were paying attention, I said: "Like most liberals, I SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT."

In a June 2008 poll taken by CNN, an overwhelming 87 percent of Americans opposed laws preventing all Americans from owning guns.

An August CNN/ORC poll asked respondents whether they favor or oppose a number of specific policies to restrict gun ownership. And when you drill down to that level, many policies, including banning the manufacture and possession of semi-automatic rifles, are popular.

Do the math...but you will need a flashlight to see your fingers and toes while sniveling under the bed you chicken little coward.

banning any type of gun is an infringement on the right to bear arms. as soon as you start infringing you are taking away the intended right. stop trying to spin it around and saying well we aren't trying to totally ban. you are infringing, that is the problem line

You people are nuts. Under your definition banning child pornography is a violation of the first amendment.

Even your own far right wing robes side with me on this one.

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER

certiorari to the united states court of appeals for the district of columbia circuit

No. 07–290. Argued March 18, 2008—Decided June 26, 2008

Held:

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

478 F. 3d 370, affirmed.

Scalia, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which Roberts, C. J., and Kennedy, Thomas, and Alito, JJ., joined.

 

[Bfgrn]

WOW, you found a dead mayor exercising his first amendment rights. If you were paying attention, I said: "Like most liberals, I SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT."

You're not a liberal, you're a leftist. And most leftists seek to end basic civil liberties.

And we all remember

{Missouri Democrat state Rep. Rory Ellinger has put forth H.B. 545, which would ban "assault weapons" and many semi-automatic pistols. It would give owners of said weapons 90 days to either turn them in or get them out of the state.

After 90 days, those in possession of such weapons would face class "C" felony charges.}

MO Democrat Proposes Gun Ban, 90 Days to Turn in 'Assault Weapons'

The left seeks to disarm commoners - plain fact.

In a June 2008 poll taken by CNN, an overwhelming 87 percent of Americans opposed laws preventing all Americans from owning guns.

That's nice - but irrelevant to your claim that "no one want's to take your guns."

Do the math...but you will need a flashlight to see your fingers and toes while sniveling under the bed you chicken little coward.

I have ONE person on ignore - Mr. Shithead - and only because the graphics he posts screw up the screen scroll.

I'm right here, openly spanking you again....

Hey pea brain, you brought up the total schooling I gave you on authoritarianism. Ironic, I was just reading an article earlier today about how conservative hardliners, the Stalinists in Russia are fawning all over Stalin on the 60th anniversary of his death and liberals are condemning him.

If John F. Kennedy was a 'leftist', then so am I.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hey pea brain, you brought up the total schooling I gave you on authoritarianism. Ironic, I was just reading an article earlier today about how conservative hardliners, the Stalinists in Russia are fawning all over Stalin on the 60th anniversary of his death and liberals are condemning him.

Ah, so as long as we redefine words to mean precisely what you please at any given moment, things work out just dandy.

If socialist, collectivist and authoritarian can somehow be redefined to "conservative," a bit like redefining "fire" to mean "wet," but IF you can do this, then suddenly, your bullshit is rational...

If John F. Kennedy was a 'leftist', then so am I.

I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. You're no Jack Kennedy.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.

Yes, and all fire is wet, all cows have wings, and all shoes fit on your ears.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

Ohh, a Bolshevik calling Mao "conservative;" how droll.

 

[Bfgrn]

Hey pea brain, you brought up the total schooling I gave you on authoritarianism. Ironic, I was just reading an article earlier today about how conservative hardliners, the Stalinists in Russia are fawning all over Stalin on the 60th anniversary of his death and liberals are condemning him.

Ah, so as long as we redefine words to mean precisely what you please at any given moment, things work out just dandy.

If socialist, collectivist and authoritarian can somehow be redefined to "conservative," a bit like redefining "fire" to mean "wet," but IF you can do this, then suddenly, your bullshit is rational...

If John F. Kennedy was a 'leftist', then so am I.

I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. You're no Jack Kennedy.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.

Yes, and all fire is wet, all cows have wings, and all shoes fit on your ears.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

Ohh, a Bolshevik calling Mao "conservative;" how droll.

What Mao Zedong said about liberalism

Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads.
Combat Liberalism

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan

 

[Uncensored2008]

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan

Pssst, sparky; "classical liberal" is "Libertarian."

{Classical liberalism is a political ideology, a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with limited government under the rule of law and generally promotes a laissez-faire economic policy.}

Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are an advocate of collectivist and socialist economic systems, with an authoritarian state sufficient to enforce the collectivist ideals.

You, as a Bolshevik, have nothing in common with "classical liberal."

 

[Bfgrn]

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan

Pssst, sparky; "classical liberal" is "Libertarian."

{Classical liberalism is a political ideology, a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with limited government under the rule of law and generally promotes a laissez-faire economic policy.}

Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are an advocate of collectivist and socialist economic systems, with an authoritarian state sufficient to enforce the collectivist ideals.

You, as a Bolshevik, have nothing in common with "classical liberal."

Sorry pea brain, liberalism, classical or modern is not right wing. It is not Ayn Rand social Darwinism, it is not fawning over CEO's and the opulent. It is the antithesis of conservatism. The only difference between classical and modern liberalism is economic, not social.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sorry pea brain, liberalism, classical or modern is not right wing.

Again moron, you attempt to redefine language and reality to meet your bullshit.

While your rants that you "filled your tub with fire to take a bath" might be amusing, it will not be confused with a rational argument.

You employ malapropism in a manner that redefines "ignorant."

It is not Ayn Rand social Darwinism, it is not fawning over CEO's and the opulent. It is the antithesis of conservatism. The only difference between classical and modern liberalism is economic, not social.

ROFL

Again you attempt to hijack language to suit your needs.

You are not a "liberal" in any sense of the word. You are a leftist - you advocate leftism. A "modern liberal" is simply an advocate of leftist policies, which are authoritarian from both economic and social perspectives.

Your little tin god has done more to revoke civil liberties than any POTUS since Lincoln. And this is typical of the American left, curtail freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of self-defense, protection of due process, et al. Obama represents the authoritarian left and the utter hostility you hold toward civil liberty.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Reading without reflecting is like eating without digesting.
Edmund Burke

It seems you are too retarded to read. I will say it again.

No one is calling for disarming the populace. Nothing even close to disarming the populace. That is your paranoid, polarized dysfunctional small brain overwhelmed by chicken little fear.

The right wing articles your query found are states trying to implement an assault weapons ban and a clip size restriction. No one is calling for disarming the populace. Nothing even close to disarming the populace.

Attempting to confiscate THE MOST EFFECTIVE ARMS for home and self defense IS 'disarming the populace', moron. The only difference between an all-out confiscation and what's being proposed is DEGREE.

Take away the 'assault weapons' (which you morons can't even define other than cosmetics), then go after the semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, then the semi-auto pistols, then the lever action rifles, then the revolvers, then the knives (see not-so-Great Britain for THAT example), etc., etc., ad infinitum.

Stop lying about your ULTIMATE goal, we KNOW better!

That is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN the 'ultimate' goal...

Prove it, I dare you. My guess is that, if you try, I will end up tearing you apart the same way I did when you tried to argue that gun control laws are not arbitrary, making them, by definition, tyrannical.

 

[Bfgrn]

Sorry pea brain, liberalism, classical or modern is not right wing.

Again moron, you attempt to redefine language and reality to meet your bullshit.

While your rants that you "filled your tub with fire to take a bath" might be amusing, it will not be confused with a rational argument.

You employ malapropism in a manner that redefines "ignorant."

It is not Ayn Rand social Darwinism, it is not fawning over CEO's and the opulent. It is the antithesis of conservatism. The only difference between classical and modern liberalism is economic, not social.

ROFL

Again you attempt to hijack language to suit your needs.

You are not a "liberal" in any sense of the word. You are a leftist - you advocate leftism. A "modern liberal" is simply an advocate of leftist policies, which are authoritarian from both economic and social perspectives.

Your little tin god has done more to revoke civil liberties than any POTUS since Lincoln. And this is typical of the American left, curtail freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of self-defense, protection of due process, et al. Obama represents the authoritarian left and the utter hostility you hold toward civil liberty.

You seriously need an education. It will be hard when you have the brain the size of a pea.

I didn't hear a PEEP from you 'libertarians' when Bush was using the Constitution for toilet paper...where were the calls for less government with the Patriot Act, illegal wiretapping, trying to suspend habeas corpus? And I don't hear you right wing authoritarians calling out Republicans who are passing laws making a woman's uterus the domain of the state, forcing people to piss in a jar, taking away their voting rights or ripping away their bargaining rights.

You right wing turds use the term 'libertarian' to try to put a spin on the newest form of an aristocracy you turds worship...a corporatocracy...licking the ass of CEO's and corporations.

Here is a news flash for you...Obama is not a liberal.

Here's another one...Hayek was not a conservative, and he found libertarian "singularly unattractive. For my taste it carries too much the flavor of a manufactured term and of a substitute. What I should want is a word which describes the party of life, the party that favors free growth and spontaneous evolution."

Here is the first installment in your education...

Why I am Not a Conservative by F. A. Hayek

In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles, his main hope must be that the wise and the good will rule - not merely by example, as we all must wish, but by authority given to them and enforced by them.

When I say that the conservative lacks principles, I do not mean to suggest that he lacks moral conviction. The typical conservative is indeed usually a man of very strong moral convictions. What I mean is that he has no political principles which enable him to work with people whose moral values differ from his own for a political order in which both can obey their convictions. It is the recognition of such principles that permits the coexistence of different sets of values that makes it possible to build a peaceful society with a minimum of force. The acceptance of such principles means that we agree to tolerate much that we dislike.

To live and work successfully with others requires more than faithfulness to one's concrete aims. It requires an intellectual commitment to a type of order in which, even on issues which to one are fundamental, others are allowed to pursue different ends.

It is for this reason that to the liberal neither moral nor religious ideals are proper objects of coercion, while both conservatives and socialists recognize no such limits.

In the last resort, the conservative position rests on the belief that in any society there are recognizably superior persons whose inherited standards and values and position ought to be protected and who should have a greater influence on public affairs than others. The liberal, of course, does not deny that there are some superior people - he is not an egalitarian - but he denies that anyone has authority to decide who these superior people are. While the conservative inclines to defend a particular established hierarchy and wishes authority to protect the status of those whom he values, the liberal feels that no respect for established values can justify the resort to privilege or monopoly or any other coercive power of the state in order to shelter such people against the forces of economic change. Though he is fully aware of the important role that cultural and intellectual elites have played in the evolution of civilization, he also believes that these elites have to prove themselves by their capacity to maintain their position under the same rules that apply to all others.

Closely connected with this is the usual attitude of the conservative to democracy. I have made it clear earlier that I do not regard majority rule as an end but merely as a means, or perhaps even as the least evil of those forms of government from which we have to choose. But I believe that the conservatives deceive themselves when they blame the evils of our time on democracy. The chief evil is unlimited government, and nobody is qualified to wield unlimited power. The powers which modern democracy possesses would be even more intolerable in the hands of some small elite.


The selfish spirit of commerce knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.
Thomas Jefferson - Letter to Larkin Smith (1809).

 

[GuyPinestra]

I didn't hear a PEEP from you 'libertarians' when Bush was using the Constitution for toilet paper...where were the calls for less government with the Patriot Act, illegal wiretapping, trying to suspend habeas corpus? And I don't hear you right wing authoritarians calling out Republicans who are passing laws making a woman's uterus the domain of the state, forcing people to piss in a jar, taking away their voting rights or ripping away their bargaining rights.

You right wing turds use the term 'libertarian' to try to put a spin on the newest form of an aristocracy you turds worship...a corporatocracy...licking the ass of CEO's and corporations.


The selfish spirit of commerce knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.
Thomas Jefferson - Letter to Larkin Smith (1809).

You are such a fucking hypocrite and hack it's hard to know where to start, but this little paragraph looked like as good a place as any.

You 'didn't hear a peep', NOT because we weren't making any noise, but because your partisan shitballs in the media weren't TELLING you about it. God forbid the people see that there were hundreds of thousands of us herded off into 'free speech zones' where Bush & Cheney didn't have to see us. They can't show that kind of thing without damaging the left/right paradigm they've spent 100+ years creating for us.

You didn't even notice that the TEA Party didn't get ANY coverage when we were all supporting Ron Paul, you know, small government, repeal the Patriot Act, live and let live, no 'nation-building'. It wasn't until Armey and Co. co-opted the movement that it got ANY ink, and most of that was trumped up bullshit trying to claim that we were all racist pieces of shit that wanted to re-institute slavery and poll taxes.

Go stick your nose back into MSNBC where you can comfortably enjoy your ignorance and confirmation bias, dipshit. You really haven't got the first fucking clue!!

 

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Attempting to confiscate THE MOST EFFECTIVE ARMS for home and self defense IS 'disarming the populace', moron. The only difference between an all-out confiscation and what's being proposed is DEGREE.

Take away the 'assault weapons' (which you morons can't even define other than cosmetics), then go after the semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, then the semi-auto pistols, then the lever action rifles, then the revolvers, then the knives (see not-so-Great Britain for THAT example), etc., etc., ad infinitum.

Stop lying about your ULTIMATE goal, we KNOW better!

That is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN the 'ultimate' goal...

Prove it, I dare you. My guess is that, if you try, I will end up tearing you apart the same way I did when you tried to argue that gun control laws are not arbitrary, making them, by definition, tyrannical.

armchair philosopher demands "prove the negative or I'll huff and I'll puff..."