Thank God for our RIGHT to keep and bear arms

[Brain357]

Violent crime is rising right now thanks to guns.

Another egregious lie by a lefty. Violent crime has been decreasing while gun sales have been increasing.

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The only increase we’ve been seeing is from the disgusting ANTIFA fascists who are determined to assualt everyone who won’t embrace their fascism.

Violent Crime

And here you have comparisons of states...

Why do we conveniently ignore them? The US murder rate is being driven up by a few high-murder states such as Maryland, Louisiana, South Carolina, Delaware, and Tennessee. In the spirit of selective use of data, let's just leave those states out of it, and look at some of the low-crime ones:



We see that OECD members Chile and Turkey have murder rates higher than Colorado. Perhaps they should try adopting Colorado’s laws and allow sale of handguns and semi-automatic rifles to all non-felon adults. That might help them bring their murder rates down a little.

But you know that’s not the conclusion we're supposed to come to.Comparisons can never work in that direction. The comparisons should only be used to compare the US to countries with restrictive gun laws and low murder rates. Comparisons with countries that have restrictive gun laws (and/or few private guns) and murder rates similar to or higher than US rates (i.e., Latin America, the Caribbean and the Baltic States.)

Nevertheless, we have yet to see any objective reason why only OECD countries should be included or why countries similar in the HDI to Turkey and Mexico should be excluded.

But before we wrap up, let’s look at the murder rates in all these countries alongside the number of civilian guns per 100 residents. (The x axis is civilian guns per 100 residents, and the y axis is murder rates in x per 100,000.)

Here’s the scatter plot:


Obviously, the US is big outlier in terms of guns per capita. But in terms of murder rate, it’s very much in the middle of these countries.

Things look even better for some areas of the US. If I include low-crime states, we get this (The x axis is civilian guns per 100 residents and y axis is murder rate in x per 100,000):


Of course, if I added countries like France and Sweden, you’d see many more dots here near Bulgaria with low gun totals and very low murder rates.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Also from your link:

'"Chicago accounted for more than 20% of the nationwide murder increase in 2016, despite being home to less than 1% of the U.S. population,' the center concluded."

 

[Brain357]

Violent crime is rising right now thanks to guns.

Another egregious lie by a lefty. Violent crime has been decreasing while gun sales have been increasing.

View attachment 165236

The only increase we’ve been seeing is from the disgusting ANTIFA fascists who are determined to assualt everyone who won’t embrace their fascism.

Violent Crime

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Weird. That link is violent crime in general, not gun violence.

We were discussing violent crime.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We were discussing violent crime.

See this:

'"Chicago accounted for more than 20% of the nationwide murder increase in 2016, despite being home to less than 1% of the U.S. population," the center concluded."'

 

[Brain357]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

 

[2aguy]

Violent crime is rising right now thanks to guns.

Another egregious lie by a lefty. Violent crime has been decreasing while gun sales have been increasing.

View attachment 165236

The only increase we’ve been seeing is from the disgusting ANTIFA fascists who are determined to assualt everyone who won’t embrace their fascism.

Violent Crime

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Weird. That link is violent crime in general, not gun violence.

Did you expect an anti gunner to actually tell the truth?

 

[2aguy]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

And of course those 4 countries haven't done any such thing...the U.K....gun crime is increasing at an enormous rate, dittos Australia......Japan....you have seen that it is the police state they run, not gun control that keeps their gun crime low...oh, and my recent thread on the long prison sentences for the Yakuza who use guns also works...which is what 2nd Amendment supporters keep telling you guys...punish gun criminals with long prison sentences, leave normal gun owners alone...

Norway....really.....the site of one of the worst mass shootings in the world.....and of course, they don't have different races and cultures mixing together their creating conflict and crime....all 4 of those countries have homongenous societies........

It was a dumb link....without a real understanding of the issue.

 

[2aguy]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

The truth about Britain.....your link doesn't know the truth...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

 

[2aguy]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

Australia....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.

 

[Brain357]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

And of course those 4 countries haven't done any such thing...the U.K....gun crime is increasing at an enormous rate, dittos Australia......Japan....you have seen that it is the police state they run, not gun control that keeps their gun crime low...oh, and my recent thread on the long prison sentences for the Yakuza who use guns also works...which is what 2nd Amendment supporters keep telling you guys...punish gun criminals with long prison sentences, leave normal gun owners alone...

Norway....really.....the site of one of the worst mass shootings in the world.....and of course, they don't have different races and cultures mixing together their creating conflict and crime....all 4 of those countries have homongenous societies........

It was a dumb link....without a real understanding of the issue.

None of what you said changes they have FAR less gun crime than we do. UK, yeah that Brexit thing was dumb, but still very few people are shot and killed. You can keep lying, but it doesn't change the facts.

 

[2aguy]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

Japan....long prison sentences for Yakuza who use guns.....and a police state where they have a 99.5% conviction rate.....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”


And now the truth about Japan....

Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.


Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."

Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."

The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.

Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.

Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.

 

[2aguy]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

And of course those 4 countries haven't done any such thing...the U.K....gun crime is increasing at an enormous rate, dittos Australia......Japan....you have seen that it is the police state they run, not gun control that keeps their gun crime low...oh, and my recent thread on the long prison sentences for the Yakuza who use guns also works...which is what 2nd Amendment supporters keep telling you guys...punish gun criminals with long prison sentences, leave normal gun owners alone...

Norway....really.....the site of one of the worst mass shootings in the world.....and of course, they don't have different races and cultures mixing together their creating conflict and crime....all 4 of those countries have homongenous societies........

It was a dumb link....without a real understanding of the issue.

None of what you said changes they have FAR less gun crime than we do. UK, yeah that Brexit thing was dumb, but still very few people are shot and killed. You can keep lying, but it doesn't change the facts.

You are the one lying......the gun control laws have nothing to do with their low gun crime rates...since gun crime is going up in both Australia and the U.K. after they banned and confiscated guns.......you have been shown to be clueless about this issue over and over again...

 

[Brain357]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

The truth about Britain.....your link doesn't know the truth...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

We wish we had so few gun murders. You can't be serious right?

 

[Brain357]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

And of course those 4 countries haven't done any such thing...the U.K....gun crime is increasing at an enormous rate, dittos Australia......Japan....you have seen that it is the police state they run, not gun control that keeps their gun crime low...oh, and my recent thread on the long prison sentences for the Yakuza who use guns also works...which is what 2nd Amendment supporters keep telling you guys...punish gun criminals with long prison sentences, leave normal gun owners alone...

Norway....really.....the site of one of the worst mass shootings in the world.....and of course, they don't have different races and cultures mixing together their creating conflict and crime....all 4 of those countries have homongenous societies........

It was a dumb link....without a real understanding of the issue.

None of what you said changes they have FAR less gun crime than we do. UK, yeah that Brexit thing was dumb, but still very few people are shot and killed. You can keep lying, but it doesn't change the facts.

You are the one lying......the gun control laws have nothing to do with their low gun crime rates...since gun crime is going up in both Australia and the U.K. after they banned and confiscated guns.......you have been shown to be clueless about this issue over and over again...

 

[Brain357]

 

[2aguy]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

The truth about Britain.....your link doesn't know the truth...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

We wish we had so few gun murders. You can't be serious right?

They banned and confiscated guns....and now their gun crime rate is going through the roof, their violent crime rate is going through the roof......their gun control laws don't work....criminals in Britain are getting all the guns they want...

 

[2aguy]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

And of course those 4 countries haven't done any such thing...the U.K....gun crime is increasing at an enormous rate, dittos Australia......Japan....you have seen that it is the police state they run, not gun control that keeps their gun crime low...oh, and my recent thread on the long prison sentences for the Yakuza who use guns also works...which is what 2nd Amendment supporters keep telling you guys...punish gun criminals with long prison sentences, leave normal gun owners alone...

Norway....really.....the site of one of the worst mass shootings in the world.....and of course, they don't have different races and cultures mixing together their creating conflict and crime....all 4 of those countries have homongenous societies........

It was a dumb link....without a real understanding of the issue.

None of what you said changes they have FAR less gun crime than we do. UK, yeah that Brexit thing was dumb, but still very few people are shot and killed. You can keep lying, but it doesn't change the facts.

You are the one lying......the gun control laws have nothing to do with their low gun crime rates...since gun crime is going up in both Australia and the U.K. after they banned and confiscated guns.......you have been shown to be clueless about this issue over and over again...

And that has nothing to do with our gun laws......it has to do with our criminal culture......and in Australia, Canada, England......their gun crime rates are all going up....with their extreme gun control.....gun control laws don't effect the gun crime rate.

 

[Brain357]

These 4 countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths — here's what the US can learn

And of course those 4 countries haven't done any such thing...the U.K....gun crime is increasing at an enormous rate, dittos Australia......Japan....you have seen that it is the police state they run, not gun control that keeps their gun crime low...oh, and my recent thread on the long prison sentences for the Yakuza who use guns also works...which is what 2nd Amendment supporters keep telling you guys...punish gun criminals with long prison sentences, leave normal gun owners alone...

Norway....really.....the site of one of the worst mass shootings in the world.....and of course, they don't have different races and cultures mixing together their creating conflict and crime....all 4 of those countries have homongenous societies........

It was a dumb link....without a real understanding of the issue.

None of what you said changes they have FAR less gun crime than we do. UK, yeah that Brexit thing was dumb, but still very few people are shot and killed. You can keep lying, but it doesn't change the facts.

You are the one lying......the gun control laws have nothing to do with their low gun crime rates...since gun crime is going up in both Australia and the U.K. after they banned and confiscated guns.......you have been shown to be clueless about this issue over and over again...

And that has nothing to do with our gun laws......it has to do with our criminal culture......and in Australia, Canada, England......their gun crime rates are all going up....with their extreme gun control.....gun control laws don't effect the gun crime rate.

 

[2aguy]

And of course those 4 countries haven't done any such thing...the U.K....gun crime is increasing at an enormous rate, dittos Australia......Japan....you have seen that it is the police state they run, not gun control that keeps their gun crime low...oh, and my recent thread on the long prison sentences for the Yakuza who use guns also works...which is what 2nd Amendment supporters keep telling you guys...punish gun criminals with long prison sentences, leave normal gun owners alone...

Norway....really.....the site of one of the worst mass shootings in the world.....and of course, they don't have different races and cultures mixing together their creating conflict and crime....all 4 of those countries have homongenous societies........

It was a dumb link....without a real understanding of the issue.

None of what you said changes they have FAR less gun crime than we do. UK, yeah that Brexit thing was dumb, but still very few people are shot and killed. You can keep lying, but it doesn't change the facts.

You are the one lying......the gun control laws have nothing to do with their low gun crime rates...since gun crime is going up in both Australia and the U.K. after they banned and confiscated guns.......you have been shown to be clueless about this issue over and over again...

And that has nothing to do with our gun laws......it has to do with our criminal culture......and in Australia, Canada, England......their gun crime rates are all going up....with their extreme gun control.....gun control laws don't effect the gun crime rate.

And the gun laws have no bearing on those rates......how the criminals in each country view murdering each other governs those rates. And the one thing you notice....all of the countries except for the U.S........are all homogenous, without the mix of races and cultures. That is changing.....and the gun violence rates in those countries are going up as they import violent young males from 3rd world countries and as their welfare states can no longer civilize the young males born into those countries.

 

[P@triot]

You want to compare us to Venezuela? Yeah they are really economically and politically stable.

And why are they not economically and politically stable? Oh yeah - they implemented the same idiotic left-wing policies that you call for here in the U.S.

Dictators mostly. Europe is quite stable.

Really? Didn't we just go over all of the women in Germany suffering horrific assaults and rapes at the hands of muslim migrants? You can't seem to keep your story straight...