The Benghazi hearings live

[depotoo]

What team in Tripoli was told to stand down? Be specific.

American Special Forces soldiers were preparing to board the C-130 that would fly them on a mission to rescue Americans under attack by terrorists in Benghazi on Sept. 11 last year, but they were stopped by a last-minute order from somebody higher up in the U.S. government, House investigators have learned.

“So Lieutenant Colonel Gibson, who is the SOCAFRICA commander, his team, you know, they were on their way to the vehicles to go to the airport to get on the C‑130 when he got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, you can’t go now, you don’t have authority to go now,” Gregory Hicks, deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in Libya, told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee
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If you really care to know, you can listen for yourself to the link. It's gets old doing all your work for you. -
Committee On Oversight & Government Reform

You are talking about the second team? The one with 4 soldiers? Is that right?

Yes. And that matters how? The people actually on the ground there in the midst of it felt they were needed.

 

[depotoo]

oh, and I believe it was 3, not 4, from what my memory serves me without listening to it again. Also, this team was coming from Tripoli.

 

[asterism]

What truth?

The republicans are making a huge deal out of a TV appearance. And one that essentially parroted CIA talking points and came with caveats. There was NO attempt to deceive anyone on the part of the Administration.

The CIA, however, may be a different story.

But that's what you guys don't really care about.

There are three real live issues here:

-Were the CIA holding militants prisoner?
-Was it wise to open a consulate when the area was not safe?
-Why does congress not provide adequate funding for security?

Bullshit



The Benghazi talking points: What?s known and unknown - The Washington Post

According to Democratic House Oversight Committee staff, the amount that the GOP-led House passed for two accounts that pay for embassy security in fiscal 2012 ($2.311 billion) was $330 million less than the Obama administration had requested ($2.641 billion).
A GOP House Appropriations Committee aide confirmed the House bill had less in these accounts than what the administration requested.
However, the final bill, after being worked on by the Democratic-led Senate, put in more money than what had passed in the House. The final bill, which passed with bipartisan support, gave a total of $2.37 billion to these accounts for fiscal 2012 -- about $270 million less than what the administration had requested.

CNN Fact Check: What about the security in Benghazi? - CNN.com

"Strongly SUGGESTED"?????

REALLY???

WHEN?

I am sure there was back and forth between the state department and the CIA.

THATS HOW IT WORKS.

YOU PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS.

You're moving the goalposts now. You said, "The republicans are making a huge deal out of a TV appearance. And one that essentially parroted CIA talking points and came with caveats. There was NO attempt to deceive anyone on the part of the Administration."

Now you're saying it wasn't the CIA talking points?

Which is it?

 

[LoneLaugher]

American Special Forces soldiers were preparing to board the C-130 that would fly them on a mission to rescue Americans under attack by terrorists in Benghazi on Sept. 11 last year, but they were stopped by a last-minute order from somebody higher up in the U.S. government, House investigators have learned.

“So Lieutenant Colonel Gibson, who is the SOCAFRICA commander, his team, you know, they were on their way to the vehicles to go to the airport to get on the C‑130 when he got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, you can’t go now, you don’t have authority to go now,” Gregory Hicks, deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in Libya, told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee
...
If you really care to know, you can listen for yourself to the link. It's gets old doing all your work for you. -
Committee On Oversight & Government Reform

You are talking about the second team? The one with 4 soldiers? Is that right?

Yes. And that matters how? The people actually on the ground there in the midst of it felt they were needed.

Do you know why they were not sent?

 

[asterism]

Bullshit



The Benghazi talking points: What?s known and unknown - The Washington Post



CNN Fact Check: What about the security in Benghazi? - CNN.com

It does not matter whether there was less. According to the State Dept. itself as well as the findings in the State Department's own investigative report (the ARB) regarding Benghazi, budget was not an issue for added security for Benghazi. Period. Quit trying to spin.

As one of the Officer's testified today, money is not the answer, but better is.

Unreal.

Yeah..money was an issue.

Still is.

If that were the case it would be in this report wouldn't it?

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

Show me where funding was an issue.

 

[Wehrwolfen]

It isn't?

Go ahead. Tell me what you took away from the hearings. Not a list of questions. Give me the fucking facts.

Does this answer your question thoroughly enough?

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I did not get to listen to about the listen 15-20 minutes of the hearing but here are the points I took away from what I heard.

1. First, why is there continued stonewalling as to the clearance of information for one of the whistleblowers, so they were not able to testify today?

2. Who was responsible for telling the DS to back down in Tripoli and why as that is their primary role?

3. Why was Hicks told not to privately meet with the ARB board?

4. Why was the Direct Action Committee kept out of response meeting when they hda the direct knowledge of what happened and were there?

5. Why were not all witnesses directly involved interviewed?

6. Who ok'd temporary facilities not having to have the same level of security as well as enforcements as permanent facilities did?

7. Who told Col. Gibson's response team not to board the plane for Benghazi? Military heads still deny that order.

8. Defense attache stated there would be no military response, even before the situation was fully assessed and permission of the government of Libya to use airspace was never asked for. Why?

9. Why was Hicks never given a copy of his interview or a final report from the ARB as was reuired so he could confirm his testimony was represented to them properly? Why were others also denied a copy?

10. Video of Kennedy continued to push, just as Rice did, that the best info they had was that it was due to a video - not a terrorist attack for days.

11. What lost evidence was there due to Rice's continued denial of it being a terrorist attack, as it was claimed by the Libyan President, upsetting them and thus the FBI had to wait for that support from Libya for 17 days to be able to get to Benghazi? and the gov't also did not secure the area for us due to what they felt was a slap in the face.

12. Why was the First Response Team told not to respond even though they were the closest in Tripoli?

13. Why were 2 individuals reprimanded even though they were not allowed to review what the ARB stated their testimony actually was, which resulted in their reprimands?

14. Why was Hick's never interviewed by the FBI?

15. Why was that post continued to even be allowed due to the degree of conflict and past actual IED's that had hit continued to be manned?

Questions. I saw you post that earlier. Questions are bullshit. What are the facts.

Anyone can ask fucking questions. What are the answers, genius?

The only persons considering the questions as B.S., are those that are protecting Obama and his appointed flunkies. The crux to the matter is simply who IS the coward that called for the 'Stand Down" of rescue? We know there was a order given, yet NO ONE in this Obama administration has had the cajones to stand up and say, "I gave that order". If it were a Republican administration I am sure the MSM and Congress would certainly be up at arms for the stonewalling, obfuscation and lies coming from the administration. According to Hillary, "What does it matter?"

 

[depotoo]

And that was at midnight, their time, when the attacks lasted until after 6AM.
The testimony , 1 minute 55 seconds-

Rescue team told to stand down in Benghazi "were furious," says Hicks - CBS News Video

 

[LoneLaugher]

Do you know why they were instructed to remain in Tripoli?

 

[depotoo]

Do you know why they were instructed to remain in Tripoli?

Considering the FACT the Pentagon denies anyone was told to stand down, where is this supposed information coming from that you think you have? Or is the Pentagon now speaking out of both sides of their mouths?

(oh, and just so you know, I have read the article stating there was a reason, suddenly)

 

[LoneLaugher]

Do you know why they were instructed to remain in Tripoli?

Considering the FACT the Pentagon denies anyone was told to stand down, where is this supposed information coming from that you think you have? Or is the Pentagon now speaking out of both sides of their mouths?

(oh, and just so you know, I have read the article stating there was a reason, suddenly)

Good. Then you finally have an answer to one of your questions. Congratulations.

DOD spokesman on the Benghazi response « Gretawire

Now....what else do you know?

 

[depotoo]

Do you know why they were instructed to remain in Tripoli?

Considering the FACT the Pentagon denies anyone was told to stand down, where is this supposed information coming from that you think you have? Or is the Pentagon now speaking out of both sides of their mouths?

(oh, and just so you know, I have read the article stating there was a reason, suddenly)

Good. Then you finally have an answer to one of your questions. Congratulations.

DOD spokesman on the Benghazi response « Gretawire

Now....what else do you know?

So, they lied when they stated noone had been told to stand down? Which is a lie and which is the truth? They can't have it both ways.


It is so obvious you are working for the Dems. How much are you getting paid to try to help them spread their propaganda?

 

[boedicca]

It was a big eye opener as to how the Dems are so cold and callous about fellow Americans who were murdered.
They are about protecting Hillary and Obama and Rice rather than wanting to get to bottom of things and what really happened there.
If they think so little of their fellow workers who work for the government, what do they think of us?
Were nothing more than bugs who give them their money.
That's very frightening and chilling.

Yes, unchecked power is frightening and chilling. Such power is inevitably abused, which is why checks and balances, rule of law, and a value system of moderation and restraint in holders of power are all important.

 

[Mr. H.]

I had to cut my viewing short this morning, and figured I'd surely find the hearing on the car radio.

Nope.

If a Republican were in the White House this would be all over NPR, with live non-stop coverage.

So I waited until the top of the hour, tuned in NPR.... nada. 8 minutes of news and not one mention of the hearing. They did, however, mention it in passing when introducing the next hour's program. And in that mention, the only thing they offered was "...with Republicans turning it into a partisan debate".

Fuck NPR, I'm finished with them.

Oh- so I was reduced to listening to Rush Limbaugh! Something I never do. LOL

 

[LoneLaugher]

Considering the FACT the Pentagon denies anyone was told to stand down, where is this supposed information coming from that you think you have? Or is the Pentagon now speaking out of both sides of their mouths?

(oh, and just so you know, I have read the article stating there was a reason, suddenly)

Good. Then you finally have an answer to one of your questions. Congratulations.

DOD spokesman on the Benghazi response « Gretawire

Now....what else do you know?

So, they lied when they stated noone had been told to stand down? Which is a lie and which is the truth? They can't have it both ways.


It is so obvious you are working for the Dems. How much are you getting paid to try to help them spread their propaganda?

What EXACTLY is meant by an order to stand down? Please provide the entire context of the comments where you think the Pentagon said that nobody was told to stand down. If they said that the second team from Tripoli was not told to remain in Tripoli, I will agree that a lie was told.

Why was the first team dispatched from Tripoli? Was it part of the cover up?

Fucking tool.

 

[depotoo]

Good. Then you finally have an answer to one of your questions. Congratulations.

DOD spokesman on the Benghazi response « Gretawire

Now....what else do you know?

So, they lied when they stated noone had been told to stand down? Which is a lie and which is the truth? They can't have it both ways.


It is so obvious you are working for the Dems. How much are you getting paid to try to help them spread their propaganda?

What EXACTLY is meant by an order to stand down? Please provide the entire context of the comments where you think the Pentagon said that nobody was told to stand down. If they said that the second team from Tripoli was not told to remain in Tripoli, I will agree that a lie was told.

Why was the first team dispatched from Tripoli? Was it part of the cover up?

Fucking tool.

No, it is their attempt to cover themselves, and nothing more. And your attempt to help them.

Following a pair of denials by the CIA and the National Security Council to a Fox News story published Friday, the Pentagon has come under scrutiny for its response to the assault on the U.S. compound in Benghazi. However, in a statement to The Atlantic Wire, a senior defense official says the Pentagon never rejected requests for military intervention in Benghazi. Not only that, the official said no such requests were ever made. "The Pentagon took action by moving personnel and assets in the region shortly after it learned of the attack on the Benghazi consulate," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity. "There was no request made for military intervention in Benghazi. To be successful, such an operation, if requested, would have required solid information about what was happening on the ground. Such clarity just wasn't available as the attack was unfolding."

Pentagon Denies Fox News Benghazi Report
stand-down/ˈstændˌdaʊn/ Show Spelled [stand-doun] Show IPA
noun
1. Military . a temporary cessation of offensive actions

 

[depotoo]

Oh, and since we have that one out of the way, why don't we tackle the answer as to why extra security was denied when it was requested? Can you get your handlers to help us with that one as well? Oh, and don't let them tell you it was a budget issue as I can give you the report where they stated it was not an issue at all, as well as the statement by Charlene Lamb.

 

[depotoo]

I had to cut my viewing short this morning, and figured I'd surely find the hearing on the car radio.

Nope.

If a Republican were in the White House this would be all over NPR, with live non-stop coverage.

So I waited until the top of the hour, tuned in NPR.... nada. 8 minutes of news and not one mention of the hearing. They did, however, mention it in passing when introducing the next hour's program. And in that mention, the only thing they offered was "...with Republicans turning it into a partisan debate".

Fuck NPR, I'm finished with them.

Oh- so I was reduced to listening to Rush Limbaugh! Something I never do. LOL

Doesn't surprise me at all. My husband found the same thing.
Oh, and by the way, for those that don't know, George Soros' Open Society Foundations have become a source of funding for them now. I expect them to be even less balanced than they ever were before.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Oh, and since we have that one out of the way, why don't we tackle the answer as to why extra security was denied when it was requested? Can you get your handlers to help us with that one as well? Oh, and don't let them tell you it was a budget issue as I can give you the report where they stated it was not an issue at all, as well as the statement by Charlene Lamb.

Handlers?

You are funny.

Who denied extra security? Name please.

 

[BlindBoo]

You nutters couldn't wait for today. Now you can't wait for tonight and tomorrow so you can be told what to think about what happened today.

You only wish that were true...

It isn't?

Go ahead. Tell me what you took away from the hearings. Not a list of questions. Give me the fucking facts.

Fact. They couldn't derail the presidents' bid for a second term, so they've re-loaded their Fauxrageous Bullshit Cannon and are aiming it right at Mrs. Clinton.

 

[BlindBoo]

You only wish that were true...

It isn't?

Go ahead. Tell me what you took away from the hearings. Not a list of questions. Give me the fucking facts.

Does this answer your question thoroughly enough?

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I did not get to listen to about the listen 15-20 minutes of the hearing but here are the points I took away from what I heard.

1. First, why is there continued stonewalling as to the clearance of information for one of the whistleblowers, so they were not able to testify today?

2. Who was responsible for telling the DS to back down in Tripoli and why as that is their primary role?

3. Why was Hicks told not to privately meet with the ARB board?

4. Why was the Direct Action Committee kept out of response meeting when they hda the direct knowledge of what happened and were there?

5. Why were not all witnesses directly involved interviewed?

6. Who ok'd temporary facilities not having to have the same level of security as well as enforcements as permanent facilities did?

7. Who told Col. Gibson's response team not to board the plane for Benghazi? Military heads still deny that order.

8. Defense attache stated there would be no military response, even before the situation was fully assessed and permission of the government of Libya to use airspace was never asked for. Why?

9. Why was Hicks never given a copy of his interview or a final report from the ARB as was reuired so he could confirm his testimony was represented to them properly? Why were others also denied a copy?

10. Video of Kennedy continued to push, just as Rice did, that the best info they had was that it was due to a video - not a terrorist attack for days.

11. What lost evidence was there due to Rice's continued denial of it being a terrorist attack, as it was claimed by the Libyan President, upsetting them and thus the FBI had to wait for that support from Libya for 17 days to be able to get to Benghazi? and the gov't also did not secure the area for us due to what they felt was a slap in the face.

12. Why was the First Response Team told not to respond even though they were the closest in Tripoli?

13. Why were 2 individuals reprimanded even though they were not allowed to review what the ARB stated their testimony actually was, which resulted in their reprimands?

14. Why was Hick's never interviewed by the FBI?

15. Why was that post continued to even be allowed due to the degree of conflict and past actual IED's that had hit continued to be manned?

You got all that from 15 - 20 minutes?