The Birfer State Law Tracking Thread

Election and Political Law

Top Five Vetting Priorities
Individuals who are interested in a presidential appointment are well-advised to focus attention on the following top five major vetting issues during the early stages of their candidacy.

5. Medical, Family, and Personal Issues
All candidates for public office are required to undergo a physical examination in order to ensure that they will be able to withstand the physical rigors of service. Specialized follow-up may be necessary where a candidate’s medical history includes serious or chronic health conditions. Investigators who conduct personal background checks routinely seek information from neighbors, family members, and professional contacts regarding any evidence of drug or alcohol abuse, or other medical conditions that might impede a candidate’s ability to serve or compromise the interests of the United States.
Mental health counseling for bereavement, marital issues, or other life circumstances is no longer subjected to extensive scrutiny. A spouse or partner’s medical history may be relevant to certain positions, such as ambassadorial posts. Absent a special circumstance, however, the mental and physical health of a candidate’s children or other family members is generally outside the scope of the vetting inquiry.

http://www.cov.com/files/Publicatio... Presidential Appointment Vetting Process.pdf

The candidates who won the presidential primaries prior to the election of 2008, were fully vetted by the Secret Service, the FBI and the CIA. So were the Vice Presidential nominees. I guess you're saying you have no faith in those entities to do their jobs.
 
In Arizona, two birther bills died in committee, but that hasn't stopped the birthers from trying yet again.

PHOENIX (AP) -- Arizona lawmakers want to revive legislation to make President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates show their birth certificates to prove their eligibility to run as natural-born citizens.

... The action by Arizona lawmakers comes after versions of the legislation died earlier in the 2-month-old regular session.

Now, as House and Senate committees near a deadline to consider legislation originated by the other chamber, proponents want to attach proposals onto unrelated bills Tuesday in the House and Wednesday in the Senate.

News from The Associated Press

USArmyRetired has more here.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ma-moves-to-revive-dead-eligibility-bill.html

In Arizona, there is a "strike-everything" amendment

A “strike everything after the enacting clause” amendment (also referred to as a “strike everything” amendment or simply a “striker”) proposes to delete the entire text of the existing bill and substitute new language, essentially making it a completely different bill, possibly on an entirely different subject. These amendments are sometimes used to allow legislators to circumvent the deadlines on introduction of new legislation, deal with an issue that arises after the deadline or revive a bill that has previously been defeated.

FAQs

Last year, the birthers tried to pass their laws after they died in committee using strike-everything amendments but failed.

EDIT - Here is the striker.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/1r/proposed/h.1157-se-burges.pdf
 
Last edited:
The two bills in Arizona are HB 2177 and SB 1577. HB 2177 has been amended. This is the amended bill.

Format Document

The Senate Government Committee met today at 2pm and were to discuss SB 1577. However, as of 8pm, the Senate's web site does not show an amended bill, unlike HB 2177. But there may be a delay in posting the amendments.

Format Document

All the amendments.

http://www.azleg.gov/StrikeEverything.asp
 
Last edited:
The Arizona birfer bill passed in the Senate committee today! It will now go to a vote. It was voted upon and approved in the Arizona House last year but died in the Senate committee. Now it has passed in the Senate committee.

The House version requires a long-form birth certificate. I don't know if the Senate version does.

Legislation that would require proof of U.S. birth from presidential candidates is intersecting in Arizona with the question of whether U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants are entitled to automatic citizenship.

The proposed legislation on documentation requirements for candidates asks for information on the citizenship of a candidate's parents. Tea party backers said Wednesday they believe people are only natural-born citizens if their parents are citizens.

"The term 'natural-born' has nothing to do" with location of birth, said Jeff Lichter of the Greater Phoenix Tea Party.

A Senate committee on Wednesday endorsed the bill after deleting the provision on citizenship of a candidate's parents, but it remains in a version approved Tuesday by a House panel. ...

They've added a provision to require that all candidates for public offices in Arizona provide an affidavit and "necessary documents to show" that they meet the qualifications.

Ariz. 'birthers' see tie to birthright citizenship
 
Time to update.

Arizona's SB 1577 is similar to HB 2177 and does require a Presidential candidate to submit a long-form birth certificate, which is a necessity for a bill to be considered a birfer bill. The original Senate birfer bill died in committee, but in Arizona, a bill can be reintroduced as a "strike-everything bill" whereby a bill that has nothing to do with the original bill is gutted and "filled" with the new bill. SB 1577 originally dealt with schools but was struck and re-introduced as a birfer bill.

The Tennessee birfer bill is HB 2065 in the House and SB 1043 in the Senate. The House State and Local Government Subcommittee will discuss the bill on Wednesday, March 30.

So here is the tracker

* Arizona - Still alive. Two bills died in committee but passed through the Senate committee as a strike-everything bill.
* Arkansas - Bill introduced into the House but is unlikely to pass given that Democrats control both chambers
* Connecticut - Died in committee
* Georgia - Died in committee.
* Hawaii - Died in committee. Not really a birfer bill. Clever Hawaii legislators were trying to profit from the birfer nonsense by charging people $100 for birth certificate requests.
* New Hampshire - Died in committee.
* Indiana - Died in committee.
* Iowa - Died in committee. Can be carried over into next year. Doesn't appear to really be a birfer bill.
* Maine - Not really a birfer bill.
* Missouri - Still alive but effectively no longer a birfer bill.
* Montana - Died in committee.
* Nebraska - Died in committee.
* Oklahoma - Passed in the Senate but no longer a birfer bill.
* Tennessee - Still alive. Subcommittee to hear the bill on March 30.
* Texas - Still alive.
 
Time to update.

Arizona's SB 1577 is similar to HB 2177 and does require a Presidential candidate to submit a long-form birth certificate, which is a necessity for a bill to be considered a birfer bill. The original Senate birfer bill died in committee, but in Arizona, a bill can be reintroduced as a "strike-everything bill" whereby a bill that has nothing to do with the original bill is gutted and "filled" with the new bill. SB 1577 originally dealt with schools but was struck and re-introduced as a birfer bill.

The Tennessee birfer bill is HB 2065 in the House and SB 1043 in the Senate. The House State and Local Government Subcommittee will discuss the bill on Wednesday, March 30.

So here is the tracker

* Arizona - Still alive. Two bills died in committee but passed through the Senate committee as a strike-everything bill.
* Arkansas - Bill introduced into the House but is unlikely to pass given that Democrats control both chambers
* Connecticut - Died in committee
* Georgia - Died in committee.
* Hawaii - Died in committee. Not really a birfer bill. Clever Hawaii legislators were trying to profit from the birfer nonsense by charging people $100 for birth certificate requests.
* New Hampshire - Died in committee.
* Indiana - Died in committee.
* Iowa - Died in committee. Can be carried over into next year. Doesn't appear to really be a birfer bill.
* Maine - Not really a birfer bill.
* Missouri - Still alive but effectively no longer a birfer bill.
* Montana - Died in committee.
* Nebraska - Died in committee.
* Oklahoma - Passed in the Senate but no longer a birfer bill.
* Tennessee - Still alive. Subcommittee to hear the bill on March 30.
* Texas - Still alive.

I thought TX was off the list because the two-thirds to pass would need to include Senate democrats?
 
Last edited:


Well that shoots once Presidential campaign in the foot. I hearby officially predict that...
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Woopi will never get elected President of the United States.


>>>>

Woopie for president and rosie as her running mate.
OMG we will be missing the days of obama.:lol:
 
Time to update.

Arizona's SB 1577 is similar to HB 2177 and does require a Presidential candidate to submit a long-form birth certificate, which is a necessity for a bill to be considered a birfer bill. The original Senate birfer bill died in committee, but in Arizona, a bill can be reintroduced as a "strike-everything bill" whereby a bill that has nothing to do with the original bill is gutted and "filled" with the new bill. SB 1577 originally dealt with schools but was struck and re-introduced as a birfer bill.

The Tennessee birfer bill is HB 2065 in the House and SB 1043 in the Senate. The House State and Local Government Subcommittee will discuss the bill on Wednesday, March 30.

So here is the tracker

* Arizona - Still alive. Two bills died in committee but passed through the Senate committee as a strike-everything bill.
* Arkansas - Bill introduced into the House but is unlikely to pass given that Democrats control both chambers
* Connecticut - Died in committee
* Georgia - Died in committee.
* Hawaii - Died in committee. Not really a birfer bill. Clever Hawaii legislators were trying to profit from the birfer nonsense by charging people $100 for birth certificate requests.
* New Hampshire - Died in committee.
* Indiana - Died in committee.
* Iowa - Died in committee. Can be carried over into next year. Doesn't appear to really be a birfer bill.
* Maine - Not really a birfer bill.
* Missouri - Still alive but effectively no longer a birfer bill.
* Montana - Died in committee.
* Nebraska - Died in committee.
* Oklahoma - Passed in the Senate but no longer a birfer bill.
* Tennessee - Still alive. Subcommittee to hear the bill on March 30.
* Texas - Still alive.

Texas and Arizona still alive. No surprises there. And Obama wouldn't win those states anyway, if you can still even call them "States" at least as far as the "United" part goes.
 

Because The Donald keeps trying to convince us he's the "smartest guy in the room."
hahano.gif
 

Because The Donald keeps trying to convince us he's the "smartest guy in the room."
hahano.gif

The little snarky comment, because Donald asked openly for obama to produce his brith certificate. He never said obama didn't have one, he said he thinks obama is hiding something.

Trump says that about himself all the time. Anyone who has to SAY he's great usually isn't. With greatness also comes class. He's also making a fool of himself by intimating that he'll run for president. What's he going to do when he has to do a financial disclosure? The "smartest guy in the room" would avoid doing that, especially if he was one of the richest people in America, and especially Trump who has had more than a few questionable and failed ventures from which he profited anyway.
 
Because The Donald keeps trying to convince us he's the "smartest guy in the room."
hahano.gif

The little snarky comment, because Donald asked openly for obama to produce his brith certificate. He never said obama didn't have one, he said he thinks obama is hiding something.

Trump says that about himself all the time. Anyone who has to SAY he's great usually isn't. With greatness also comes class. He's also making a fool of himself by intimating that he'll run for president. What's he going to do when he has to do a financial disclosure? The "smartest guy in the room" would avoid doing that, especially if he was one of the richest people in America, and especially Trump who has had more than a few questionable and failed ventures from which he profited anyway.

Yet still it doesn't make his question any less valid.
 
More updates, thanks to Welsh Dragon at Foxbow.

Tennessee bill HB2065 died in committee today. There is still a Senate version that can go over to the House but this bill was defeated.

The Arkansas bill officially died in committee.

* Arizona - Still alive. Two bills died in committee but passed through the Senate committee as a strike-everything bill.

* Arkansas - Died in committee
* Connecticut - Died in committee
* Georgia - Died in committee.
* Hawaii - Died in committee. Not really a birfer bill. Clever Hawaii legislators were trying to profit from the birfer nonsense by charging people $100 for birth certificate requests.
* New Hampshire - Died in committee.
* Indiana - Died in committee.
* Iowa - Died in committee. Can be carried over into next year. Doesn't appear to really be a birfer bill.
* Maine - Not really a birfer bill.
* Missouri - Still alive but effectively no longer a birfer bill.
* Montana - Died in committee.
* Nebraska - Died in committee.
* Oklahoma - A bill passed in the Senate but no longer a birfer bill.
* Tennessee - House bill died in committee.
* Texas - Still alive.
 
The Tennessee bill is officially dead.

The bills that came crashing down Wednesday were the requirement for all presidential candidates to provide their birth certificates as a condition to having their names on the Tennessee ballot, and the proposal to create a legislative committee to review federal laws and regulations, and recommend which ones should be nullified.

The birth certificate bill failed on a voice vote in the House State and Local Government Subcommittee. Rep. Rick Womick, R-Rockvale, sponsored the legislation, saying it was inspired by constituents who doubt that President Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Womick said he believes the president is a U.S. citizen but wanted to put the matter to rest - apparently by having the president of the United States prove to Tennessee lawmakers what the U.S. Supreme Court already has decided in rejecting several lawsuits challenging Obama's birth record.

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Mike Turner questioned whether the bill is constitutional since the federal government is in charge of federal elections. Womick said the measure was constitutional. The constitutional issue might be a moot point since the bill was scuttled, but that issue alone could have kept the state tied up in court at considerable expense for some time.

Editorial: Two misguided bills crash in Nashville » Knoxville News Sentinel

The Oklahoma House has passed a birther bill but it does not ask for a long-form birth certificate specifically. It asks for an original birth certificate.

Bill Information

On a more amusing note, even though the Arizona bill - which passed the House Rules Committee yesterday - would not allow a short-form birth certificate, it would allow a certificate of circumcision!

The Antenori floor amendment to the Government Reform Committee amendment
inserts language regarding a presidential candidate who does not possess a long form
birth certificate. A candidate would be able to include two or more of the following:

a) baptismal or circumcision certificate
b) hospital birth record
c) postpartum medical record
d) early census record.

Additionally, a candidate would also be able to submit a notarized affidavit from two or
more persons who witnessed the candidates birth.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/1r/adopted/2177antenori1028.pdf

:lol:

Well done, nutters! :thup:
 
More updates, thanks to Welsh Dragon at Foxbow.

Tennessee bill HB2065 died in committee today. There is still a Senate version that can go over to the House but this bill was defeated.

The Arkansas bill officially died in committee.

* Arizona - Still alive. Two bills died in committee but passed through the Senate committee as a strike-everything bill.

* Arkansas - Died in committee
* Connecticut - Died in committee
* Georgia - Died in committee.
* Hawaii - Died in committee. Not really a birfer bill. Clever Hawaii legislators were trying to profit from the birfer nonsense by charging people $100 for birth certificate requests.
* New Hampshire - Died in committee.
* Indiana - Died in committee.
* Iowa - Died in committee. Can be carried over into next year. Doesn't appear to really be a birfer bill.
* Maine - Not really a birfer bill.
* Missouri - Still alive but effectively no longer a birfer bill.
* Montana - Died in committee.
* Nebraska - Died in committee.
* Oklahoma - A bill passed in the Senate but no longer a birfer bill.
* Tennessee - House bill died in committee.
* Texas - Still alive.

When you say no longer a birfer bill does it still deal with proof of citizenship?
 

Forum List

Back
Top