The death of the Libertarian Party

[AHZ]

American currency is backed by the faith and trust in the American government to pay its debts. It fails when the American government does. When you're on the gold standard that's also subject to abuse when people horde gold or release large sums of it into the market at one time. The difference there being you have no control over the actions of individuals who are hording gold. We do have a say in government. It's called democracy. That's your safe guard.

How about some context?

No. That's inherent in capitalism itself. Its not called laborism. Its designed to mostly benefit people with capital.

You're just pretending now because you can't actually discuss any working examples of your argument.

Sure. Good argument guy.

right that's called fiat currency.

commodity backed is better because there is a hard limit to how much elites can abuse government spending.

 

[Curried Goats]

right that's called fiat currency.

commodity backed is better because there is a hard limit to how much elites can abuse government spending.

Yeah, just ask the mercantilists.....

 

[AHZ]

Yeah, just ask the mercantilists.....

you mean the Chinese?

western 'globalism' = Chinese mercantilism.

 

[JoeB131]

you mean the Chinese?

western 'globalism' = Chinese mercantilism.

You mean the Chinese provide us with affordable goods? The bastards!!!

 

[Curried Goats]

you mean the Chinese?

western globalism= Chinese mercantilism.

No, that's just capitalism under the unified purpose of an authoritarian state.

 

[AHZ]

You mean the Chinese provide us with affordable goods? The bastards!!!

they're not affordable when your job is gone.

globalist stupidity is just short term corporate thinking, the nation be damned.

 

[Curried Goats]

they're not affordable when your job is gone.

globalist stupidity is just short term corporate thinking, the nation be damned.

Protectionism for local labor can only be achieved with government involvement in economic policy.

 

[JoeB131]

they're not affordable when your job is gone.

globalist stupidity is just short term corporate thinking, the nation be damned.

Except that many manufacturing companies rely on Chinese components to make their products.

We live in a global economy. We sell stuff, we buy stuff.

 

[AHZ]

No, that's just capitalism under the unified purpose of an authoritarian state.

and your version is unified capitalism under the purpose of large multinational corporations who have achieved state capture funded by unified central bankers.

multinational corporations like state capture so the the pesky interests of all other citizens don't affect their cash flow.

this is also called supply side.

 

[Curried Goats]

and your version is unified capitalism under the purpose of large multinational corporations who have achieved state capture funded by unified central bankers.

multinational corporations like state capture so the the pesky interests of all other citizens don't affect their cash flow.

this is also called supply side.

You're just spitting accusations in every direction now. I'd be happy to do away with citizens united and corporate investment in politicians. I have no problem breaking up monopolies or protecting American labor. I just think all your arguments are either confused and/or stupid.

 

[AHZ]

Protectionism for local labor can only be achieved with government involvement in economic policy.

yes.

I believe in government and protectionist trade policies.

I'm not a libertarian globalist traitore.

 

[AHZ]

You're just spitting accusations in every direction now. I'd be happy to do away with citizens united and corporate investment in politicians. I have no problem breaking up monopolies or protecting American labor. I just think all your arguments are either confused and/or stupid.

Yes you agree globalism is stupid.

I'm happy with the outcome here.

I won.

 

[Curried Goats]

yes.

I believe in government and protectionist trade policies.

I'm not a libertarian globalist traitore.

Neither am I. It's just funny seeing you complain about fiat currency while also wanting the government to protect your job.

Yes you agree globalism is stupid.

No. I think most people don't live in a place with access to all the resources they need to live in a modern society and so to get those resources requires trade and cooperation.

I'm happy with the outcome here.

I won.

Uh huh. You feel free to that fantasy.

 

[cawacko]

No tariffs means more imports of cheap goods made by non-labor workers.

Labor unions support tariffs because if you make foreign goods more expensive, people will purchase more American, union-made goods. Nor do cheap foreign goods cause economic growth. American jobs cause economic growth.

I suppose I could post all the data showing this but in the name of brevity it shows that tariffs caused U.S. job loss and slowed economic growth along with increasing the price of goods.

Unions exist to look out for their workers, not what's best for the economy or country overall (teachers unions are the best example but it works the same here). Politicians beholden to unions then do their bidding while knowing the negative overall impacts.

I understand the desire to take on China. That desire is what leads people who should otherwise know better to support tariffs (because even though tariffs make the situation worse people think we are 'doing something about it' vis a vis China).

 

[AHZ]

Neither am I. It's just funny seeing you complain about fiat currency while also wanting the government to protect your job.

No. I think most people don't live in a place with access to all the resources they need to live in a modern society and so to get those resources requires trade and cooperation.

Uh huh. You feel free to that fantasy.

but trade and cooperation don't require bad trade policy and fake money totalitarianism.

 

[dblack]

I suppose I could post all the data showing this but in the name of brevity it shows that tariffs caused U.S. job loss and slowed economic growth along with increasing the price of goods.

Unions exist to look out for their workers, not what's best for the economy or country overall (teachers unions are the best example but it works the same here). Politicians beholden to unions then do their bidding while knowing the negative overall impacts.

I understand the desire to take on China. That desire is what leads people who should otherwise know better to support tariffs (because even though tariffs make the situation worse people think we are 'doing something about it' vis a vis China).

Tariffs are like minimum wage laws. Demonstrably harmful, but populist cheese that unscrupulous leaders can't resist.

 

[AHZ]

I suppose I could post all the data showing this but in the name of brevity it shows that tariffs caused U.S. job loss and slowed economic growth along with increasing the price of goods.

Unions exist to look out for their workers, not what's best for the economy or country overall (teachers unions are the best example but it works the same here). Politicians beholden to unions then do their bidding while knowing the negative overall impacts.

I understand the desire to take on China. That desire is what leads people who should otherwise know better to support tariffs (because even though tariffs make the situation worse people think we are 'doing something about it' vis a vis China).

Tariffs are good.

protectionism is good.

you're brainwashed by globalism dum dum sauce.

 

[AHZ]

Tariffs are like minimum wage laws. Demonstrably harmful, but populist cheese that unscrupulous leaders can't resist.

one could say corporations subverting borders and middle class lives for short term gain is demonstrably harmful.

 

[AHZ]

hey cawacko.

 

[dblack]

one could say corporations subverting borders and middle class lives for short term gain is demonstrably harmful.

Especially if one were a socialist looking to increase state power over our economic decisions.