TheDefiantOne
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Cancel culture as in the GOP refusing to let any proposal onto the floor of Congress/Senate when they had the majority rule? Or the right wing media bullhorn using the phrase "Fake News" barked by Cheeto Jeezus as the catch all response to any fact based criticism or contrary logical analysis?Translation: with the increasing insanity of the Republican Party, they must eschew facts and evidence because facts don’t support their twisted worldview.Your "observations" are also not hard data. The experience of one white guy that thinks blacks aren't as intelligent as whites and that being anti racist equals anti white, doesn't add up to a hill of beans.You don’t believe studies that tell you it exists. You don’t believe actual black people that tell you it exists. All you have to go on is your “feelings“.Teachers are only one layer of the education system. An education system that has had racism baked into it.Gee, color me surprised that you eschew facts. Typical Trump supporter.It exists. Your refusal to see it perpetuates it.You weren't trying to make a point beyond "derp, dems bad, derp". The thing you keep fucking up is that you idiots think the division on civil rights was Democrats vs Republicans. It wasn't. It was North vs South...again.I’m afraid it is you that is living in a fantasy land. You seem to think that legislation was passed and suddenly unicorns were farting daisies. It didn’t happen that way. It still hasn’t happened that way.Politicians deciding something in DC did not change society and culture.
Blacks don’t have to be taught that a lot of whites hate them, believe stereotypes about them, fear them…they live it every day. That you refuse to see it just perpetuates it.
'Not being fully free': The toll of everyday racism on black Americans
Analysis: Black Americans have grown tired of being forced to make the case for their citizenship, their humanity, their very survival — again and again and again.www.nbcnews.com
I like the way you dismiss law and national policy as "politicians deciding something".
My parents were working class dems, from the Depression Era. They were primary motivated by the Union culture of the Rust Belt. Based on what I saw, long after the fact, the long standing alliance of the dem party to southern racists must have been a negative that they were forced to ignore because of overriding economic issues.
When the politicians flipped on that issue, it would not have been a problem for working class dems in the Rust Belt. They were already there on that issue, long before the Party that they supported DESPITE their racist allilance.
You are living in a fantasy land, where you imagine that your enemies are villains, so that you can be the hero.
Racism was baked into our system for centuries and you think it can be a erased in a couple of decades?
I addressed that point. My point was that, imo, the dem party was FOLLOWING society, not the other way around.
I supported my point, with personal observation of my family and community in the Rust Belt.
You ignored everything I said, and just repeated your previous assertion, with a sprinkling of hyperbole and ridicule.
We know that institutional racism exists. What is so wrong at looking at why it prevails over half a century after the civil rights act?
My point was in response to that question. I am celebrating the fact that, long ago, the Democratic Party embraced the idea of racial equality for blacks. That is not "dem bad". When I have bad things to say about the dems, I say them clearly and loudly. YOu don't have to search for nuance.
Institutional anti-black racism does NOT exist. That is a lie. This nation has had a bi-partisan consensus on racial equality for blacks since the early 60s. National policy has been based on that, since then. Federal and State law has been based on that since then. Culture and media and education has constantly and strongly indoctrinated generation after generation of Americans in that consensus since then.
To understand structural racism, look to our schools
Racial inequity is baked into the public education system and for Black children, begins as early as preschool. Here are some of the systemic ways public education creates barriers to learning for Black students.www.seattletimes.com
You see being anti-racism as being anti-white. That tells us a lot about you.
Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.
Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.
I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.
Pointing to the fact that teachers and administrators are overwhelmingly liberals dedicated to fighting wacism, is not eschewing facts, but embracing them.
SOmetimes I talk to them, and try to get understand how they feel about how they are constantly thrown under the bus by their fellow liberals.
I can't seem to get a straight answer. They do seem to appreciate that I point out that they are not wacist.
Data consistently shows that students of color are more likely to be disciplined than their White peers and receive harsher punishments for the same infractions. Black and Hispanic students are less likely to be placed in advanced or enriched classes, starting in elementary school. Many experts say school curriculums have failed to adequately reflect the perspectives of Indigenous and marginalized communities. And students and parents themselves often report that school culture does not feel welcoming.
Most administrators are promoted teachers. And as a group they tend to be liberals committed to racial equality for minority students.
If they are not, they are almost certainly moderates committed to racial equality for minority students.
The few that do not fit those two categories? Walk softly and try to not be noticed.
Studies? I call bullshit. Teachers are more likely to give minority students a pass for bad behavior, for fear of being called wacist, or to retreat behind some idiocy of a zero tolerance policy so they can punish both/all students involved to avoid assigning true blame, or something along those lines.
Yeah, I think I’ll go with studies and the people that are experienced it and not some white guy that thinks Trump is delightful.
Personal, direct observations are not "feelings".
And when you people blatantly lie, we notice. You don't get to lie to our faces and stone wall on it, when called on it, and expect to be given any credibility after that.
My point stands.
Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.
Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.
I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.
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Traditionally "hard data" was given more weight than anecdotal evidence. But with the increasing politicalization of EVERYTHING, and the dangerous increase of cancel culture, not to mention actual violent mobs in the streets,
No. Liberals and academics can't be trusted.
DO YOU KNOW ANY TEACHERS AND/OR SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS?
Are you denying the power of cancel culture or the violent mobs in the streets? Are you claiming they don't exist?
What exactly is your defense against my point other than the logical fallacy of Proof by Ridicule?
Which by the way is invalid and you lose. You got anything else, or, you want to concede?
Do you include the alt right/neo -nazi attacks on peaceful demonstrators as "mobs"....or the "mob" that stormed and invaded the Capitol on January 6th of this year?
Give me an honest answer, then you can discuss the rest of your screeds.
