The Dems & the GOP - Peas in a pod, again

[Papageorgio]

The extremes are both very much alike in behavior.

So you're also using the "Mother Teresa and Charles Manson both breathed air, so they're exactly the same!" big lie, in an attempt to run cover for the consistently disgusting behavior of your besties.

And, like Mac, you're evading, tossing insults, and acting like a smug hypocrite.

Almost all modern "independents" now spend their days shilling for the GOP. Why?

They understand how awful the right looks now. They don't want to be openly identified with such scumbags. But they do still want to push the goals of those scumbags. The phony-equivalence act is how they do that.

There aren't any "independents" shilling for Democrats in that way. The Democrats aren't doing anything that makes people ashamed to be Democrats, so there's no reason for liberals to pretend to be independents.

That is your opinion, not anywhere near the truth since you know nothing about me, or how I vote, but feel free to have strange unsubstantiated opinions.

 

[whitehall]

Socialism vs capitalism. That's the basic difference between today's major political parties. You can throw in open borders and infanticide. The dirty little secret is that lifelong democrats can't stomach what the democrat party has become and they have a knee jerk hatred for the President so they claim that both parties are the same. Ho hum.

 

[Mac1958]

Nutters like that assume that if you're not 100% with them, you can only be 100% against them.

I didn't assume that, or imply it in any way, so I wonder why you chose to tell that lie. Oh, that's right, you had to run from my point somehow.

What you're doing is like saying "Mother Teresa and Charles Manson both breathed air, so they were exactly alike!". By ignoring obvious differences and focusing on trivial similarities, that's being wildly dishonest on behalf of Charles Manson. In exactly the same way, you are being wildly dishonest in favor of Republicans.

The two sides are very different. The Right is overwhelmingly dishonest, the left isn't. The right is authoritarian, the left isn't. The right is corrupt, the left isn't. The right is hypocritical, the left isn't. The right is immoral, the left isn't. The right is violent, the left isn't. And so on. (I'm not speaking in absolutes, I'm speaking in the general case. While you can find individual leftists who share those flaws somewhere, they policies are not institutionalized on the left, as they are with Trump and the right.)

Why not just tell the truth, that the Democrats are much better than Republicans? You might find such honesty refreshing. Get a load off of your soul and lose the phony equivalence act.

Well, you just proved Mac right on this thread. LOL!

The extremes are both very much alike in behavior.

Just WOW!!!!!!!!

Hey, I just toss the softballs up in the air, and they knock 'em over the fence for me.


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[Mac1958]

Well these two parties they both act like parties. They both have a chairman GD wingers. They both have fundraisers and by god they both try to win elections! Just look how they act like each other! Just when everybody is complaining the Democrats want to win the presidency here come the republicans wanting to win the presidency! This is too easy his similar they are!

Oh, it goes much deeper (and more amusing) than that.

Here's a few counter-productive behaviors shared by both ends:

• Deflection (so vividly displayed by both parties right here in this thread!)
• Tribalism
• Distortion
  
• Intellectual Myopia
• Straw Man Arguments
• Obtuseness
• Willful Ignorance
• Name-Calling
• Nasty Personal Insults
• Hypocrisy
• Hate
• Blatant Lies

.... off the top of my pointy little head.
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You could do a list of every human behavior and find people of every political stripe engaged in them. The diff you consistently ignore is the predominance of behaviors - even ideological requirement - in different political groups. Just because some in one group do it does not justify the actions of many (or all) in another.

I am often amused at your penchant for wallowing in moral equivalence fallicies to justify the behavior of the left.

For instance, do you find the current Dem defense of ILLEGAL immigration to be against America's best interest, contrary to their oaths of office and arguably traitorous behavior, and can you respond with something other than "but the Repubs...?"

You're moving to issues again. That has never been my point.

The behaviors - counter-productive and destructive - are consistently similar. And that's why I think wingers are our biggest problem.
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[Remodeling Maidiac]

Why the focus on BEHAVIOR Mac?

From my perspective it would appear that you are trying to avoid the shit that actually matters. You know, the outlandish shit your new party is trying to push on AMERICANS

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Thread is attempting to rationalize the shit the left is trying to pull by pointing at a minority of the parties "behavior"

 

[Mac1958]

It's always fun to point out how similar our two "major" parties can be in their behaviors. No, not issues, behaviors (I put that in bold there).

And, as if to illustrate the point yet again, the Democrats are jumping in by essentially splitting into two pieces for our amusement.

Remember about four and eight years ago, when the the Tea Party Republicans were running around, threatening to "primary" anyone who wasn't pure and obedient? And remember about four years ago, when those same Republicans were shit-canning people like Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan and John Kasich because the party had passed them by?

We'll here we go again, from the kids on the the other side!

Democrats threatening to primary each other:
Nancy Pelosi Doesn’t Know Who The Democratic Party Is Anymore
'Members are looking over their shoulders': Democrats spooked by new primary threats

Democrat leaders losing tough with their new whacked-out base:
'Members are looking over their shoulders': Democrats spooked by new primary threats
Nancy Pelosi Doesn't Know Who The Democratic Party Is Anymore | HuffPost

Seriously, this is almost unfair, it's so easy. The two ends of the spectrum can be so damn similar in their behaviors!


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I have never known an adult who talks more about BEHAVIOR than you do, Mac. Except special education teachers. Oh, and the Church Lady.

Because he gets insecure when people have different opinions than his. His whole schtick is "look how THOSE PEOPLE act!."

So? It's a perfectly valid effort. It is interesting to see society's political sickness in action. USMB never disappoints in that arena.

And those who are most likely to exhibit the behaviors will always attack the messenger for pointing them out.

That means that, at some level, they know how counter-productive, childish and destructive those behaviors are.

And as always, the real beauty of it is the way both ends mirror each other in reacting to how I point out that they mirror each other.

It doesn't get much easier than that.
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[LaDairis]

Of the past four Presidents, Trump's behavior in office is BY FAR the best on all fronts...

 

[G.T.]

It's always fun to point out how similar our two "major" parties can be in their behaviors. No, not issues, behaviors (I put that in bold there).

And, as if to illustrate the point yet again, the Democrats are jumping in by essentially splitting into two pieces for our amusement.

Remember about four and eight years ago, when the the Tea Party Republicans were running around, threatening to "primary" anyone who wasn't pure and obedient? And remember about four years ago, when those same Republicans were shit-canning people like Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan and John Kasich because the party had passed them by?

We'll here we go again, from the kids on the the other side!

Democrats threatening to primary each other:
Nancy Pelosi Doesn’t Know Who The Democratic Party Is Anymore
'Members are looking over their shoulders': Democrats spooked by new primary threats

Democrat leaders losing tough with their new whacked-out base:
'Members are looking over their shoulders': Democrats spooked by new primary threats
Nancy Pelosi Doesn't Know Who The Democratic Party Is Anymore | HuffPost

Seriously, this is almost unfair, it's so easy. The two ends of the spectrum can be so damn similar in their behaviors!


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I have never known an adult who talks more about BEHAVIOR than you do, Mac. Except special education teachers. Oh, and the Church Lady.

Because he gets insecure when people have different opinions than his. His whole schtick is "look how THOSE PEOPLE act!."

So? It's a perfectly valid effort. It is interesting to see society's political sickness in action. USMB never disappoints in that arena.

It's not a valid effort to bitch and moan on the internet, that's ridiculous.

 

[Mac1958]

Why the focus on BEHAVIOR Mac?

From my perspective it would appear that you are trying to avoid the shit that actually matters. You know, the outlandish shit your new party is trying to push on AMERICANS

I dunno. I've just always been fascinated by behaviors and motivations.

When person A insults person B, I don't think about the insult or person B, I wonder about person A and their motivation for needing to insult.

I guess that's just the way my little brain works.

It's not like I'm going to change any minds with these silly "debates" here. You don't really think YOU are, do you? And do you really derive anything positive from insulting and name-calling? I doubt it.
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[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

It's always fun to point out how similar our two "major" parties can be in their behaviors. No, not issues, behaviors (I put that in bold there).

And, as if to illustrate the point yet again, the Democrats are jumping in by essentially splitting into two pieces for our amusement.

Remember about four and eight years ago, when the the Tea Party Republicans were running around, threatening to "primary" anyone who wasn't pure and obedient? And remember about four years ago, when those same Republicans were shit-canning people like Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan and John Kasich because the party had passed them by?

We'll here we go again, from the kids on the the other side!

Democrats threatening to primary each other:
Nancy Pelosi Doesn’t Know Who The Democratic Party Is Anymore
'Members are looking over their shoulders': Democrats spooked by new primary threats

Democrat leaders losing tough with their new whacked-out base:
'Members are looking over their shoulders': Democrats spooked by new primary threats
Nancy Pelosi Doesn't Know Who The Democratic Party Is Anymore | HuffPost

Seriously, this is almost unfair, it's so easy. The two ends of the spectrum can be so damn similar in their behaviors!


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I have never known an adult who talks more about BEHAVIOR than you do, Mac. Except special education teachers. Oh, and the Church Lady.

Because he gets insecure when people have different opinions than his. His whole schtick is "look how THOSE PEOPLE act!."

So? It's a perfectly valid effort. It is interesting to see society's political sickness in action. USMB never disappoints in that arena.

It's not a valid effort to bitch and moan on the internet, that's ridiculous.

Opinions are subjective.

 

[G.T.]

It's always fun to point out how similar our two "major" parties can be in their behaviors. No, not issues, behaviors (I put that in bold there).

And, as if to illustrate the point yet again, the Democrats are jumping in by essentially splitting into two pieces for our amusement.

Remember about four and eight years ago, when the the Tea Party Republicans were running around, threatening to "primary" anyone who wasn't pure and obedient? And remember about four years ago, when those same Republicans were shit-canning people like Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan and John Kasich because the party had passed them by?

We'll here we go again, from the kids on the the other side!

Democrats threatening to primary each other:
Nancy Pelosi Doesn’t Know Who The Democratic Party Is Anymore
'Members are looking over their shoulders': Democrats spooked by new primary threats

Democrat leaders losing tough with their new whacked-out base:
'Members are looking over their shoulders': Democrats spooked by new primary threats
Nancy Pelosi Doesn't Know Who The Democratic Party Is Anymore | HuffPost

Seriously, this is almost unfair, it's so easy. The two ends of the spectrum can be so damn similar in their behaviors!


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I have never known an adult who talks more about BEHAVIOR than you do, Mac. Except special education teachers. Oh, and the Church Lady.

Because he gets insecure when people have different opinions than his. His whole schtick is "look how THOSE PEOPLE act!."

So? It's a perfectly valid effort. It is interesting to see society's political sickness in action. USMB never disappoints in that arena.

It's not a valid effort to bitch and moan on the internet, that's ridiculous.

Opinions are subjective.

i agree, and in my opinion this obsessive high-horse sanctimony is disgusting

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

I have never known an adult who talks more about BEHAVIOR than you do, Mac. Except special education teachers. Oh, and the Church Lady.

Because he gets insecure when people have different opinions than his. His whole schtick is "look how THOSE PEOPLE act!."

So? It's a perfectly valid effort. It is interesting to see society's political sickness in action. USMB never disappoints in that arena.

It's not a valid effort to bitch and moan on the internet, that's ridiculous.

Opinions are subjective.

i agree, and in my opinion this obsessive high-horse sanctimony is disgusting

It's a glorious train wreck I just can't pull my eyes away from sometimes.

 

[Olde Europe]

Mac can always be counted on to dutifully parrot whatever GOP spin that TheParty feeds him. The ironic thing is how his favorite parrot line is about how Democrats can't think.

In this case, TheParty is afraid because a majority of Americans agree with that Democratic base, which makes Mac and TheParty the whacked-out fringe minority.

The two parties obviously differ wildly on issues, and on corruption. Republican politicians are almost universally corrupt scum, Democrats aren't. Pretending the two parties are alike is deliberately running interference for that Republican corruption. But hey, that's what Mac sees as his job.

Mac does not parrot GOP spin. In a way, what's happening is even worse. I doubt he still picks up anything. As far as I've seen, he's had what he thought was an original thought three or four years ago - wingers are all the same. Ever since he turned politics into some kind of Rorschach test, and he "sees" the same "thing" every time.

In order to do that, he has to dismiss even the starkest differences in attitudes, declare "wingers" folks who are not, and ignore wildly differing policy objectives on top of that. For since there is a radical right, there has to be a radical (regressive) left as well, and since alt-right has taken over the GOP, the alleged radical left "controls" the Democratic party. It has to, for otherwise that sordid shtick won't work, all the evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

That means, the benefits of the distortions always accrue to the GOP, far gone as it is, but that is still an accident following that "original" thought, "all the same". The fault lies not with him being a right-winger; he is not. The fault is his construing reality around his both-side-ist ideology, and he concludes that his blinkers conquer him the moral high ground. In a way, what we get to observe is the effects of a hermetically sealed world-view, religiously pursued, in conjunction with a pretty uniquely victorious victim card: The more declare him bonkers, the more he believes he wins. It's kind of sad.

 

[sartre play]

Insulted buy the behavior of both party's & the general ignorance of the electorate, the search for truth has been cast aside in favor of winning, who can tell the most half truths & out right lie's. very sad Democrat debates, & Trumps last speech on how he is saving air & water when in fact he has done just the opposite. seems it a lose lose situation for the majority of the population.

 

[G.T.]

Because he gets insecure when people have different opinions than his. His whole schtick is "look how THOSE PEOPLE act!."

So? It's a perfectly valid effort. It is interesting to see society's political sickness in action. USMB never disappoints in that arena.

It's not a valid effort to bitch and moan on the internet, that's ridiculous.

Opinions are subjective.

i agree, and in my opinion this obsessive high-horse sanctimony is disgusting

It's a glorious train wreck I just can't pull my eyes away from sometimes.

That I can agree with!

But when you actually go out into the community and outside the partisan bark-o-sphere...

the barbecues are still popping...the sporting communities full of parents and kids and volunteers are still all out playing in the sun (caught a sunburn last night)

the nightly home-work is starting in the 1st grade now and it's pretty in-depth as compared to what i remember....

crime statistics are pretty damn good/safe, historically


so all of this "rome is burning & culture is crashing" is a buncha sanctimonious old man get off my lawn bullshit....and it's been present in every society since the dawn of civilization

 

[G.T.]

Mac can always be counted on to dutifully parrot whatever GOP spin that TheParty feeds him. The ironic thing is how his favorite parrot line is about how Democrats can't think.

In this case, TheParty is afraid because a majority of Americans agree with that Democratic base, which makes Mac and TheParty the whacked-out fringe minority.

The two parties obviously differ wildly on issues, and on corruption. Republican politicians are almost universally corrupt scum, Democrats aren't. Pretending the two parties are alike is deliberately running interference for that Republican corruption. But hey, that's what Mac sees as his job.

Mac does not parrot GOP spin. In a way, what's happening is even worse. I doubt he still picks up anything. As far as I've seen, he's had what he thought was an original thought three or four years ago - wingers are all the same. Ever since he turned politics into some kind of Rorschach test, and he "sees" the same "thing" every time.

In order to do that, he has to dismiss even the starkest differences in attitudes, declare "wingers" folks who are not, and ignore wildly differing policy objectives on top of that. For since there is a radical right, there has to be a radical (regressive) left as well, and since alt-right has taken over the GOP, the alleged radical left "controls" the Democratic party. It has to, for otherwise that sordid shtick won't work, all the evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

That means, the benefits of the distortions always accrue to the GOP, far gone as it is, but that is still an accident following that "original" thought, "all the same". The fault lies not with him being a right-winger; he is not. The fault is his construing reality around his both-side-ist ideology, and he concludes that his blinkers conquer him the moral high ground. In a way, what we get to observe is the effects of a hermetically sealed world-view, religiously pursued, in conjunction with a pretty uniquely victorious victim card: The more declare him bonkers, the more he believes he wins. It's kind of sad.

spot on analysis ^^

no need for any further meta analysis...this should just be bookmarked

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Policy people


THAT is what matters. Behavior is a DISTANT 2nd place.

 

[G.T.]

Policy people


THAT is what matters. Behavior is a DISTANT 2nd place.

Leadership is the driver that gets us Policy. When the Potus is some sorta goofy salesman/celebrity, the partisans are gunna have a field day of either fan-worshipping or vehemently opposing him(or her), and not give any middle ground because the partisan-sphere requires a tragedy for middle-ground to occur, shy of a truly inspiring person in a Leadership position.

 

[Mac1958]

Insulted buy the behavior of both party's & the general ignorance of the electorate, the search for truth has been cast aside in favor of winning, who can tell the most half truths & out right lie's. very sad Democrat debates, & Trumps last speech on how he is saving air & water when in fact he has done just the opposite. seems it a lose lose situation for the majority of the population.

Yep. One of the distortions the wings love to try is to pretend that those of us who AREN'T wingers think that we're special or above it all.

Standard lie.

The truth, of course, is that wingers think that they and their tribe have all the answers and that the other tribe is always wrong. The rest of us, the majority, would prefer to see the two tribes get over themselves, communicate like grownups, and work together. So for the wingers to claim that we think we're above anything is delicious in its irony. At some level, the wingers know. That's why they're so defensive and nasty.

The majority is just the kids in the cafeteria trying to eat our damn lunch during a good fight.
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