The Derek Chauvin Trial Thread

[2aguy]

Which one of you palookas will volunteer to have me kneel on your neck for just 3 minutes?

Think you'll survive?

I'll do it.......you idiot........

 

[2aguy]

Moron, they didn't understand what was happening.....the ambulance was on the way......and because of the crowd, the ambulance crew refused to try to treat floyd at the scene and drove several blocks away to try to help him...because of the crowd, you doofus.

Yeah, their fellow police, who reported on them didn't understand what was happening.

Good luck w/that.

Did you watch the trial, you idiot....? They always call in supervisors for violent resisting suspects....and the dispatcher who claims she didn't like what she saw...admitted she didn't really ever watch videos of actual arrests before...

 

[MarcATL]

I'll do it.......you idiot........

Think you'll survive?

 

[2aguy]

First you say:

his actions showed a gross and severe lack of judgment and faulty training

Then you say:

I don't know about what police training involves so I can't comment on the actual hold that Chauvin was doing

Please, just stop.

I don't have to know the specifics of police maneuvers and policy to know that what I saw on video, if he was following his training, is faulty training.

I know those officers have to take classes on more than just how to use a gun and how to take down someone. Officers generally have to take classes periodically throughout their career and I believe some of them are psychology classes.

I don't disagree that Chauvin was taught the knee on the neck maneuver in training, but when they failed to consider his pleading, his repeated claims, and for 5 minutes they knelt on his limp body, either they ignored their training, or the training was faulty to not teach them to be more aware of the situation.

I didn't see one, so forgive me if there's already one, two or three in existence.

If not, let this be the official thread to discuss the biggest trial of the century.

No bruising, no reticial hemorrhaging....no suffocation by the police officer. His air supply was not cut off....

2X the lethal dose of fentanyl....
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PETECHIAL !! Can I kneel on your neck for about 10 minutes while you're handcuffed.... Please!!!!

Sure.........go ahead........I won't die because I didn't take a chemical cocktail, then down pills on top of that to hide them from police.

I was being a little facetious. Mr FLoyd was quite capable of speaking if he said he couldn't breathe. And I'm reasonably sure a veteran Minneapolis Police officer has heard violent dangerous drug abusers being taken into custody say they can't breathe. Maybe letting him regain his ability to resist was not a risk the officers were willing to take. They had contact with him before in the past as I understand

Andrew Branca covers this in his analysis.......floyd was 6'4" and 230 some pounds...Chauvin, the largest officer was 5'9" and about 140 pounds....

 

[2aguy]

I'll do it.......you idiot........

Think you'll survive?

Yep....I won't be on 2X the lethal dose of fentanyl and all the other drugs that killed floyd.

 

[MarcATL]

Did you watch the trial, you idiot....? They always call in supervisors for violent resisting suspects....and the dispatcher who claims she didn't like what she saw...admitted she didn't really ever watch videos of actual arrests before...

Let's see how that line of argument works on the 12 jurors.

Those are who needs to be convinced one way or the other.

My money is on that they won't see it your way.

 

[2aguy]

I'll do it.......you idiot........

Think you'll survive?

Applying pressure to only one side of the neck, as Chauvin’s knee was doing, cannot block both arteries, and Floyd’s neck was not so positioned on the street that the ground would provide the necessary force to the opposite side of Floyd’s neck. Further, a “blood choke” results in the loss of consciousness within seconds and does not require nearly 10 minutes to achieve that physiological state.

 

[2aguy]

Did you watch the trial, you idiot....? They always call in supervisors for violent resisting suspects....and the dispatcher who claims she didn't like what she saw...admitted she didn't really ever watch videos of actual arrests before...

Let's see how that line of argument works on the 12 jurors.

Those are who needs to be convinced one way or the other.

My money is on that they won't see it your way.

Trial isn't over......and the prosecution is only one side.......

 

[MarcATL]

Yep....I won't be on 2X the lethal dose of fentanyl and all the other drugs that killed floyd.

Here's the symptoms of fentanyl overdose..

Symptoms Associated with a Fentanyl Overdose - Treatment Options

How do you know if someone is in distress from a potential overdose on the opioid fentanyl? Here are things to look for and steps to take if you think someone might be overdosing.

americanaddictioncenters.org

The only symptoms he had were those that overlap w/being asphyxiated to death.

My money is on that's how all 12 jurors will see it.

 

[ThisIsMe]

faulty training

The hold he used was taught to him in his training.

I don't know about what police training involves so I can't comment on the actual hold that Chauvin was doing. The faulty training was the overall situation. I'm sure those officers have to take classes on how to deal with different situations, and I believe they even have to take some psychology classes as well. They need to be able to read the situation, and respond appropriately.

Floyd said many times that he had anxiety and claustrophobia, and the lady at the start of the video told one of the officers that floyd "had something going on up there". Sure, thats a bit vague, but, again, it all has to be considered.

Now, I know its going to be hard to keep everything straight, especially when so much is going on, and all happening so fast, but, when they heard "clausterphobia", "anxiety", and "i can't breathe", that should have sparked something in someone that "hey, maybe we should just let this guy stand up, as long as he's still"

The best coverage of the trial is here...

Chauvin Trial Day 1 Wrap-Up: Opening Arguments & Three State Witnesses

State Witnesses: 911 dispatcher, grocery worker witness, martial arts witness

legalinsurrection.com

Now, I know its going to be hard to keep everything straight, especially when so much is going on, and all happening so fast, but, when they heard "clausterphobia", "anxiety", and "i can't breathe", that should have sparked something in someone that "hey, maybe we should just let this guy stand up, as long as he's still"

Also.....he wasn't being still he was resisting.......and it isn't the cops job to take the suspects words as honest when they are trying to arrest them....

There job was to put him in the squad car........he resisted that....that's on him...

I disagree. An officers job is to serve and protect, and that even means the people in your custody.

No, the officers are not bound to take the person words as honest, but they are duty bound to listen and make the best judgment based on what they see and hear. As an officer, you have to be keenly aware of what is going on. You can't just arrest someone and treat them any way you want. You have to be careful and make sure your detainee is not in harms way.

Again, if you read what I wrote, and watched the video, you'd see that Floyd was not resisting, he was panicking. He was fearful of being restrained and then put into the car. He was in fight or flight mode, and that is a reaction to his fear. The officers should have seen that, from the very beginning, Floyd was distraught, even crying. Floyd was worried, and he repeatedly made his concerns known



I think the officers should have been able to see that and react differently.

You haven't had enough of spewing stupid in this thread yet? Thank God you are nobody.

I'm sorry you can't see what I saw. If you read any of my threads on this site, you'd know I agree mostly with the right, but on this, I have to diverge. This isn't about right or left, its about right and wrong, and I feel Chauvin was wrong, along with those other officers who watched what was going on, and didn't stand up for what is right.

Please, stop looking at this through the lense of conservatism, and trying to stick it to lefty, and see what was happening here. The man was begging and pleading, for most of the video, and for 4 minutes while he was being held down. As an officer, you MUST be more aware of what is going on, ESPECIALLY after Eric garner.



This Steven crowder video shows the whole 20 minute video, apparently from the body cam. I don't know why you can't see what I see, but I see an officer who did not have the safety of his detainee in mind.

 

[Notaradical60]

The pathologists who analyzed Mr. Floyd found fentanyl mixed with other mind-altering substances produced a most convincing likelihood that Mr. Floyd, sadly, was already dying when apprehended by police, and his uncooperative with police led them to thinking he intended to kill someone, including themselves, and the steps they took coincided with saving lives the perpetrator was aiming to take, in accordance with their training. Cops are required to stop threats to other human beings' lives. The rules apply equally to everyone, including the prodigy of slaves who were set free from their oppression 160 years ago. Mr. Floyd broke all the rules that day including a suicidal amount of highly dangerous drug cocktails. The foot on the throat possibly postponed death by fifteen minutes if it slowed the flow of toxins in his bloodstream to the brain. It is truly sad that Mr. Floyd guaranteed his death by the mixed up drugs he used his final day on this earth.

Why isn't the defense arguing that Chauvin followed his training?

Do you understand anything about actual Trials? The prosecution starts first, they bring out their witnesses, then rest their case...then the Defense brings out their witnesses...that is when the actual manual and trainers will come out and state Chauvin followed his training...

So when the defense presents that this type of restraint procedure was part of his training, the People who approved and sanctioned the training the Chief and City Administrators should also be tried for Murder. Anyone who knew this procedure could result in death should be held responsible right. If they knew the risks and did nothing to end the policy then it becomes depraved indifference to human life and they should all be held responsible. Just want to spread the love. City scapegoating this Officer? It must have been a training and supervisory issue or they wouldn't have given up $27 million so easily. Someone Did a Complete CYA.

 

[2aguy]

Yep....I won't be on 2X the lethal dose of fentanyl and all the other drugs that killed floyd.

Here's the symptoms of fentanyl overdose..

Symptoms Associated with a Fentanyl Overdose - Treatment Options

How do you know if someone is in distress from a potential overdose on the opioid fentanyl? Here are things to look for and steps to take if you think someone might be overdosing.

americanaddictioncenters.org

The only symptoms he had were those that overlap w/being asphyxiated to death.

My money is on that's how all 12 jurors will see it.

Addressed by Andrew Branca in his look at todays testimony..........we'll here from the experts on how many types of drugs were in his system when he killed himself.

 

[petro]

Protesters say they will be outside the Hennepin county courthouse the entire trial.
Bunch of welfare collecting losers carrying signs and yelling like fools, while productive people work, only to get screwed paying the record settlement the city made with Floyd family.
Damn three ring circus and I will be avoiding going into Mpls for quite a while.

 

[MarcATL]

Addressed by Andrew Branca in his look at todays testimony..........we'll here from the experts on how many types of drugs were in his system when he killed himself.

Aren't all lawyers liars? Who cares what he has to say.

He's not involved in the case.

 

[2aguy]

faulty training

The hold he used was taught to him in his training.

I don't know about what police training involves so I can't comment on the actual hold that Chauvin was doing. The faulty training was the overall situation. I'm sure those officers have to take classes on how to deal with different situations, and I believe they even have to take some psychology classes as well. They need to be able to read the situation, and respond appropriately.

Floyd said many times that he had anxiety and claustrophobia, and the lady at the start of the video told one of the officers that floyd "had something going on up there". Sure, thats a bit vague, but, again, it all has to be considered.

Now, I know its going to be hard to keep everything straight, especially when so much is going on, and all happening so fast, but, when they heard "clausterphobia", "anxiety", and "i can't breathe", that should have sparked something in someone that "hey, maybe we should just let this guy stand up, as long as he's still"

The best coverage of the trial is here...

Chauvin Trial Day 1 Wrap-Up: Opening Arguments & Three State Witnesses

State Witnesses: 911 dispatcher, grocery worker witness, martial arts witness

legalinsurrection.com

Now, I know its going to be hard to keep everything straight, especially when so much is going on, and all happening so fast, but, when they heard "clausterphobia", "anxiety", and "i can't breathe", that should have sparked something in someone that "hey, maybe we should just let this guy stand up, as long as he's still"

Also.....he wasn't being still he was resisting.......and it isn't the cops job to take the suspects words as honest when they are trying to arrest them....

There job was to put him in the squad car........he resisted that....that's on him...

I disagree. An officers job is to serve and protect, and that even means the people in your custody.

No, the officers are not bound to take the person words as honest, but they are duty bound to listen and make the best judgment based on what they see and hear. As an officer, you have to be keenly aware of what is going on. You can't just arrest someone and treat them any way you want. You have to be careful and make sure your detainee is not in harms way.

Again, if you read what I wrote, and watched the video, you'd see that Floyd was not resisting, he was panicking. He was fearful of being restrained and then put into the car. He was in fight or flight mode, and that is a reaction to his fear. The officers should have seen that, from the very beginning, Floyd was distraught, even crying. Floyd was worried, and he repeatedly made his concerns known



I think the officers should have been able to see that and react differently.

You haven't had enough of spewing stupid in this thread yet? Thank God you are nobody.

I'm sorry you can't see what I saw. If you read any of my threads on this site, you'd know I agree mostly with the right, but on this, I have to diverge. This isn't about right or left, its about right and wrong, and I feel Chauvin was wrong, along with those other officers who watched what was going on, and didn't stand up for what is right.

Please, stop looking at this through the lense of conservatism, and trying to stick it to lefty, and see what was happening here. The man was begging and pleading, for most of the video, and for 4 minutes while he was being held down. As an officer, you MUST be more aware of what is going on, ESPECIALLY after Eric garner.



This Steven crowder video shows the whole 20 minute video, apparently from the body cam. I don't know why you can't see what I see, but I see an officer who did not have the safety of his detainee in mind.

Did you watch the Crowder video? You really should......cause he disagrees with you...

 

[2aguy]

Addressed by Andrew Branca in his look at todays testimony..........we'll here from the experts on how many types of drugs were in his system when he killed himself.

Aren't all lawyers liars? Who cares what he has to say.

He's not involved in the case.

He called the Zimmerman trial correctly....he is an expert in self defense law.

 

[ThisIsMe]

faulty training

The hold he used was taught to him in his training.

I don't know about what police training involves so I can't comment on the actual hold that Chauvin was doing. The faulty training was the overall situation. I'm sure those officers have to take classes on how to deal with different situations, and I believe they even have to take some psychology classes as well. They need to be able to read the situation, and respond appropriately.

Floyd said many times that he had anxiety and claustrophobia, and the lady at the start of the video told one of the officers that floyd "had something going on up there". Sure, thats a bit vague, but, again, it all has to be considered.

Now, I know its going to be hard to keep everything straight, especially when so much is going on, and all happening so fast, but, when they heard "clausterphobia", "anxiety", and "i can't breathe", that should have sparked something in someone that "hey, maybe we should just let this guy stand up, as long as he's still"

The best coverage of the trial is here...

Chauvin Trial Day 1 Wrap-Up: Opening Arguments & Three State Witnesses

State Witnesses: 911 dispatcher, grocery worker witness, martial arts witness

legalinsurrection.com

Now, I know its going to be hard to keep everything straight, especially when so much is going on, and all happening so fast, but, when they heard "clausterphobia", "anxiety", and "i can't breathe", that should have sparked something in someone that "hey, maybe we should just let this guy stand up, as long as he's still"

Also.....he wasn't being still he was resisting.......and it isn't the cops job to take the suspects words as honest when they are trying to arrest them....

There job was to put him in the squad car........he resisted that....that's on him...

I disagree. An officers job is to serve and protect, and that even means the people in your custody.

No, the officers are not bound to take the person words as honest, but they are duty bound to listen and make the best judgment based on what they see and hear. As an officer, you have to be keenly aware of what is going on. You can't just arrest someone and treat them any way you want. You have to be careful and make sure your detainee is not in harms way.

Again, if you read what I wrote, and watched the video, you'd see that Floyd was not resisting, he was panicking. He was fearful of being restrained and then put into the car. He was in fight or flight mode, and that is a reaction to his fear. The officers should have seen that, from the very beginning, Floyd was distraught, even crying. Floyd was worried, and he repeatedly made his concerns known



I think the officers should have been able to see that and react differently.

Panicking is resisting.......he refused to stay in the car and they restrained him....according to MPD training.

Just what do you think the cops do if you "panic" once you realize that you are actually going to be arrested and you start to resist?

Do you understand anything about police work?

Again, I disagree, panicking is not resisting. Its fight or flight. Its a reaction to fear. Had they not been trying to force him into the car, he probably wouldn't have struggled. Yeah, he was terrified, so he didn't want to get into the car. Considering all the conditions he mentioned, and his behavior through the whole ordeal,.I understand, and the officers should have as well.

I agree, if you are about to arrest someone and they start acting panicked, yeah, one might think they are faking, but floyd.was showing signs of being distraught from the beginning.

Also, even if someone did start showing signs of panic just before they are being arrested, the officers still have to consider that, because that person may genuinely may experience anxiety and panic. Again, as an officer, you should be able to observe what is going on, if something isn't working, then you try something else. If Floyd was showing signs of panic from being forced into the car, then maybe don't put him in the car. Maybe say "ok, we will let you stay out here, in cuffs, as long as you don't try to fight, but if you do, we will put you in the car". Did they try that? Doesn't look like it. I don't think they necessarily HAD to put him in the car, especially with his obvious signs of anxiety.

I guess I don't understand the need to try to force him into the car, since really they were just there to investigate an alleged fake $20 bill.

From my take, had they not tried to force him into the car, he wouldn't have panicked, and he wouldn't have struggled.

 

[MarcATL]

He called the Zimmerman trial correctly....he is an expert in self defense law.

Do you think the defense did a good job today?

 

[2aguy]

He called the Zimmerman trial correctly....he is an expert in self defense law.

Do you think the defense did a good job today?

From what I saw, yeah....

 

[2aguy]

faulty training

The hold he used was taught to him in his training.

I don't know about what police training involves so I can't comment on the actual hold that Chauvin was doing. The faulty training was the overall situation. I'm sure those officers have to take classes on how to deal with different situations, and I believe they even have to take some psychology classes as well. They need to be able to read the situation, and respond appropriately.

Floyd said many times that he had anxiety and claustrophobia, and the lady at the start of the video told one of the officers that floyd "had something going on up there". Sure, thats a bit vague, but, again, it all has to be considered.

Now, I know its going to be hard to keep everything straight, especially when so much is going on, and all happening so fast, but, when they heard "clausterphobia", "anxiety", and "i can't breathe", that should have sparked something in someone that "hey, maybe we should just let this guy stand up, as long as he's still"

The best coverage of the trial is here...

Chauvin Trial Day 1 Wrap-Up: Opening Arguments & Three State Witnesses

State Witnesses: 911 dispatcher, grocery worker witness, martial arts witness

legalinsurrection.com

Now, I know its going to be hard to keep everything straight, especially when so much is going on, and all happening so fast, but, when they heard "clausterphobia", "anxiety", and "i can't breathe", that should have sparked something in someone that "hey, maybe we should just let this guy stand up, as long as he's still"

Also.....he wasn't being still he was resisting.......and it isn't the cops job to take the suspects words as honest when they are trying to arrest them....

There job was to put him in the squad car........he resisted that....that's on him...

I disagree. An officers job is to serve and protect, and that even means the people in your custody.

No, the officers are not bound to take the person words as honest, but they are duty bound to listen and make the best judgment based on what they see and hear. As an officer, you have to be keenly aware of what is going on. You can't just arrest someone and treat them any way you want. You have to be careful and make sure your detainee is not in harms way.

Again, if you read what I wrote, and watched the video, you'd see that Floyd was not resisting, he was panicking. He was fearful of being restrained and then put into the car. He was in fight or flight mode, and that is a reaction to his fear. The officers should have seen that, from the very beginning, Floyd was distraught, even crying. Floyd was worried, and he repeatedly made his concerns known



I think the officers should have been able to see that and react differently.

Panicking is resisting.......he refused to stay in the car and they restrained him....according to MPD training.

Just what do you think the cops do if you "panic" once you realize that you are actually going to be arrested and you start to resist?

Do you understand anything about police work?

Again, I disagree, panicking is not resisting. Its fight or flight. Its a reaction to fear. Had they not been trying to force him into the car, he probably wouldn't have struggled. Yeah, he was terrified, so he didn't want to get into the car. Considering all the conditions he mentioned, and his behavior through the whole ordeal,.I understand, and the officers should have as well.

I agree, if you are about to arrest someone and they start acting panicked, yeah, one might think they are faking, but floyd.was showing signs of being distraught from the beginning.

Also, even if someone did start showing signs of panic just before they are being arrested, the officers still have to consider that, because that person may genuinely may experience anxiety and panic. Again, as an officer, you should be able to observe what is going on, if something isn't working, then you try something else. If Floyd was showing signs of panic from being forced into the car, then maybe don't put him in the car. Maybe say "ok, we will let you stay out here, in cuffs, as long as you don't try to fight, but if you do, we will put you in the car". Did they try that? Doesn't look like it. I don't think they necessarily HAD to put him in the car, especially with his obvious signs of anxiety.

I guess I don't understand the need to try to force him into the car, since really they were just there to investigate an alleged fake $20 bill.

From my take, had they not tried to force him into the car, he wouldn't have panicked, and he wouldn't have struggled.

Are you serious?

Had they not been trying to force him into the car, he probably wouldn't have struggled.

You do understand that he was being arrested....right? That when you are arrested, they are going to put you in the car....right?

Did you see the parts where Chauvin was consoling this guy? Telling him that when Floyd asked the officer to stay with him, Chauvin said they would stay with him, that they rolled down the window for him, and would turn on the air conditioning for him...did you see that?

They did everything they could to calm the criminal down, and then he resisted being in the car........