The difference between a Conservative and a liberal is

[healthmyths]

We have SS because of Pure Capitalism's colossal failure in the Great Depression. There was no SS before the Great Depression.

There was no capitalism before the great depression either.

The Right claim we've had Capitalism since the Pilgrims.

How Capitalism Saved the Pilgrims | Cato @ Liberty

The fall of 1623 marked the end of Plymouth’s debilitating food shortages. For the last two planting seasons, the Pilgrims had grown crops communally–the approach first used at Jamestown and other English settlements.

But as the disastrous harvest of the previous fall had shown, something drastic needed to be done to increase the annual yield.

In April, Bradford had decided that each household should be assigned its own plot to cultivate, with the understanding that each family kept whatever it grew.
The change in attitude was stunning. Families were now willing to work much harder than they had ever worked before.
In previous years, the men had tended the fields while the women tended the children at home.
“The women now went willingly into the field,” Bradford wrote, “and took their little ones with them to set corn.”
The Pilgrims had stumbled on the power of capitalism. Although the fortunes of the colony still teetered precariously in the years ahead, the inhabitants never again starved.

 

[edthecynic]

The very tool that allows you and me to communicate i.e. the INTERNET would NEVER have come about if it wasn't driven by capitalism.

While the beginnings were funded by taxes paid by people individually or through corporation income taxes, the vast majority of the growth came from capitalism.

Actually, it came from the Dippy Hippies of the Free Speech Movement, one of whom gave away FOR FREE the BSD version of UNIX that is the backbone of the internet and TCP/IP.

The Network Is the Company | Fast Company | Business + Innovation

Other movement veterans have attempted to bring their previous beliefs into line with their current activities. John Gage, a veteran of the Free Speech Movement, went on to become chief scientist at Sun Microsystems, blending, in his words, "'90s technology with '60s activism." Explaining business at Sun (where cofounder Bill Joy is also a veteran of The Movement), Gage notes that "The whole thing has a '60s flavor to it. There’s a populist ethic. You don’t like the news? Make some of your own. Put it on the Net." Describing Sun, New Economy champion Fast Company has noted: These days, 'Power to the People' sounds like the quaint rallying cry of a bygone era. But it's a way of life at young companies like Sun – where information flows freely and people aren't afraid to express their opinions – and in the explosion of activity around the Internet. For Gage, the Net - and in particular the World Wide Web - is an electronic frontier that marries technology and democracy, the last best hope for an economy built around grassroots participation and personal expression.

Here we see the New Left's vision of true democracy through technology finally realized.

OLD-COMPUTERS.COM : HISTORY / detailed info

In March 1978, Bill Joy, who studied at the University of California at Berkeley, released the first free version of UNIX operating system which is now known as BSD UNIX. (Berkeley Software Distribution)

The history of UNIX starts back in 1969, when Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie and others started working on a Digital Equipment PDP-7 computer at Bell Labs. The first edition was launched in 1971 and was mainly used for text processing. It had a kernel, an assembler for the DEC PDP-11/20, a file system and some vital tools, including the 'ed' (editor for mortals) text editor written by Bill Joy.

Two years later, the Fourth Edition was totally rewritten in C language with multi-platform support in mind, allowing it to be used on a wide range of computers. In 1975, the Sixth Version, widely known as 'Version 6' was the first UNIX version really available outside the Bell Labs. The first BSD version was derived from this V6.

The second BSD version was launched a few months later with the full kernel source codes. This version became the backbone of the Internet and introduced the "open source" concept.
From this time, the various flavours of UNIX were divided in two different families, the BSD based types and those derived from the SYSTEM V.
The Berkeley version of UNIX became the standard in education and research and was notable for introducing using TCP/IP to UNIX (later Bill Joy will be nicknamed the "Edison of the Internet"). BSD was widely distributed in source form so that others could learn from it and improve it.

After having been involved in the BSD project, Bill Joy co-founded Sun Microsystems in 1982 and led technical strategy of the company. He designed Sun's Network File System (NFS), parts of the SPARC microprocessor architecture as well as basic pipeline used in all of Sun's SPARC microprocessors.
Later, he was the co-author of the specification for the Java programming language.
In 1998, Bill was appointed as Chief Scientist of the company.

Well THANK YOU for proving MY POINT!! Perfectly! FREE at first but boy capitalism at it's best!!

Well Bill Joy certainly enjoyed capitalism!!...

Now Bill Joy didn't become a billionaire simply by giving away UNIX!

When the Right get caught with their foot in their mouth, they simply move the goal posts and claim victory.

Capitalism did not build the internet, The Hippies of the Free Speech Movement and the government money channeled through Al Gore built and funded the internet. Bill Joy and others like him profited from the COMMERCE that went over the internet AFTER it was created.

Try again.

 

[bedowin62]

The Great Depression and the Bush Depression are unassailable proof of the failure of Pure Capitalism, Capitalism as it exists today and as it existed in the past.

Neither depression suffered involved capitalism, moron. We haven't had capitalism at all in over 100 years and never had "pure captialism". Any time I see this kind of retardation I have to cringe. It's like you fucks never bothered to learn the meaning of the words you throw around.

Both Depressions are the inevitable result of Pure Capitalism. You are in denial and you refuse to learn from past and present mistakes.

BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH!1

it's alway amusing when two nutjobs go at it!!


lol

 

[edthecynic]

Neither depression suffered involved capitalism, moron. We haven't had capitalism at all in over 100 years and never had "pure captialism". Any time I see this kind of retardation I have to cringe. It's like you fucks never bothered to learn the meaning of the words you throw around.

Both Depressions are the inevitable result of Pure Capitalism. You are in denial and you refuse to learn from past and present mistakes.

"pure captialism"

Sure thing, Ed!!!!

There is no capitalism here. Hasn't been any in well over 100 years. Go read a dictionary, fella.

You know Capitalism is a complete failure when its supporters claim it doesn't exist!

 

[bedowin62]

Actually, it came from the Dippy Hippies of the Free Speech Movement, one of whom gave away FOR FREE the BSD version of UNIX that is the backbone of the internet and TCP/IP.

The Network Is the Company | Fast Company | Business + Innovation

Other movement veterans have attempted to bring their previous beliefs into line with their current activities. John Gage, a veteran of the Free Speech Movement, went on to become chief scientist at Sun Microsystems, blending, in his words, "'90s technology with '60s activism." Explaining business at Sun (where cofounder Bill Joy is also a veteran of The Movement), Gage notes that "The whole thing has a '60s flavor to it. There’s a populist ethic. You don’t like the news? Make some of your own. Put it on the Net." Describing Sun, New Economy champion Fast Company has noted: These days, 'Power to the People' sounds like the quaint rallying cry of a bygone era. But it's a way of life at young companies like Sun – where information flows freely and people aren't afraid to express their opinions – and in the explosion of activity around the Internet. For Gage, the Net - and in particular the World Wide Web - is an electronic frontier that marries technology and democracy, the last best hope for an economy built around grassroots participation and personal expression.

Here we see the New Left's vision of true democracy through technology finally realized.

OLD-COMPUTERS.COM : HISTORY / detailed info

In March 1978, Bill Joy, who studied at the University of California at Berkeley, released the first free version of UNIX operating system which is now known as BSD UNIX. (Berkeley Software Distribution)

The history of UNIX starts back in 1969, when Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie and others started working on a Digital Equipment PDP-7 computer at Bell Labs. The first edition was launched in 1971 and was mainly used for text processing. It had a kernel, an assembler for the DEC PDP-11/20, a file system and some vital tools, including the 'ed' (editor for mortals) text editor written by Bill Joy.

Two years later, the Fourth Edition was totally rewritten in C language with multi-platform support in mind, allowing it to be used on a wide range of computers. In 1975, the Sixth Version, widely known as 'Version 6' was the first UNIX version really available outside the Bell Labs. The first BSD version was derived from this V6.

The second BSD version was launched a few months later with the full kernel source codes. This version became the backbone of the Internet and introduced the "open source" concept.
From this time, the various flavours of UNIX were divided in two different families, the BSD based types and those derived from the SYSTEM V.
The Berkeley version of UNIX became the standard in education and research and was notable for introducing using TCP/IP to UNIX (later Bill Joy will be nicknamed the "Edison of the Internet"). BSD was widely distributed in source form so that others could learn from it and improve it.

After having been involved in the BSD project, Bill Joy co-founded Sun Microsystems in 1982 and led technical strategy of the company. He designed Sun's Network File System (NFS), parts of the SPARC microprocessor architecture as well as basic pipeline used in all of Sun's SPARC microprocessors.
Later, he was the co-author of the specification for the Java programming language.
In 1998, Bill was appointed as Chief Scientist of the company.

Well THANK YOU for proving MY POINT!! Perfectly! FREE at first but boy capitalism at it's best!!

Well Bill Joy certainly enjoyed capitalism!!...

Now Bill Joy didn't become a billionaire simply by giving away UNIX!

When the Right get caught with their foot in their mouth, they simply move the goal posts and claim victory.

Capitalism did not build the internet, The Hippies of the Free Speech Movement and the government money channeled through Al Gore built and funded the internet. Bill Joy and others like him profited from the COMMERCE that went over the internet AFTER it was created.

Try again.

pretty comical seeing a left-wing idiot talk about others moving the goal posts and declaring victory!


lol you morons are calling RECORD WELFARE AND FOOD STAMPS "FORWAR PROGRESS"
and the LOWEST LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION IN THE LABOR MARKET IN 40 YEARS; you are branding as a improvement in the unemployment situation; even though MILLIONS ARENT BEING COUNTED

your GARBAGE numbers on people signing up for the ACA cant even be confirmed; and what can be confirmed is that MANY MORE ARE SIGNING UP FOR MEDICAID

AND


9 out of 10 people "signing up" for obamaCare APPEAR TO BE PEOPLE WHO HAD INSURANCE BUT LOST IT DUE TO OBAMACARE

what idiots and hypocrites libs are

libs are LOSERS WHO LIE TO THEMSELVES

 

[Edgetho]

The Great Depression and the Bush Depression are unassailable proof of the failure of Pure Capitalism, Capitalism as it exists today and as it existed in the past.

Neither depression suffered involved capitalism, moron. We haven't had capitalism at all in over 100 years and never had "pure captialism". Any time I see this kind of retardation I have to cringe. It's like you fucks never bothered to learn the meaning of the words you throw around.

Both Depressions are the inevitable result of Pure Capitalism. You are in denial and you refuse to learn from past and present mistakes.

You really are a stupid fuck, aren't you?

My opinions of dimocrap scum are validated each and every day in here.

The Great Depression was caused mostly by Countries defaulting on the War debts.

It was made worse by protectionist idiocies like Smoot-Hawley and was dragged out for an extra 5 years by FDR's stupidity.

Only 9 years earlier, we were in another Depression. Not a recession, a DEPRESSION.

Know what Harding did about it?

Aside from cutting gubmint? Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Squat.

The Forgotten Depression of 1920 - Thomas E. Woods, Jr. - Mises Daily

The economic situation in 1920 was grim. By that year unemployment had jumped from 4 percent to nearly 12 percent, and GNP declined 17 percent. No wonder, then, that Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover — falsely characterized as a supporter of laissez-faire economics — urged President Harding to consider an array of interventions to turn the economy around. Hoover was ignored.

Instead of "fiscal stimulus," Harding cut the government's budget nearly in half between 1920 and 1922. The rest of Harding's approach was equally laissez-faire. Tax rates were slashed for all income groups. The national debt was reduced by one-third.

The Federal Reserve's activity, moreover, was hardly noticeable. As one economic historian puts it, "Despite the severity of the contraction, the Fed did not move to use its powers to turn the money supply around and fight the contraction."[2] By the late summer of 1921, signs of recovery were already visible. The following year, unemployment was back down to 6.7 percent and it was only 2.4 percent by 1923.

It is instructive to compare the American response in this period to that of Japan. In 1920, the Japanese government introduced the fundamentals of a planned economy, with the aim of keeping prices artificially high. According to economist Benjamin Anderson,

I suggest you read some history. But you won't. We both know it.

It's just so much easier to shout bumper sticker slogans and to hate, isn't it?

You're a loser. Of that, I have no doubt.

And the real problem is, you know it and you revel in it.

 

[bedowin62]

Both Depressions are the inevitable result of Pure Capitalism. You are in denial and you refuse to learn from past and present mistakes.

"pure captialism"

Sure thing, Ed!!!!

There is no capitalism here. Hasn't been any in well over 100 years. Go read a dictionary, fella.

You know Capitalism is a complete failure when its supporters claim it doesn't exist!

PRETTY EFFING HILARIOUS when Progressives claim all this "change" then act like Bush and Repubs; or even the Tea Party is in fact in charge


ur a joke; making a fool of himself

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Both Depressions are the inevitable result of Pure Capitalism. You are in denial and you refuse to learn from past and present mistakes.

"pure captialism"

Sure thing, Ed!!!!

There is no capitalism here. Hasn't been any in well over 100 years. Go read a dictionary, fella.

You know Capitalism is a complete failure when its supporters claim it doesn't exist!

No, dipshit. It is being pointed out to you that we do not have capitalism and therefore blaming central planner scheme failures on it is proposterous. But you do not even know WTF you're talking about, so it's rather silly to stay on the merry-go-round to the last brain cell with you over it.

 

[healthmyths]

Actually, it came from the Dippy Hippies of the Free Speech Movement, one of whom gave away FOR FREE the BSD version of UNIX that is the backbone of the internet and TCP/IP.

The Network Is the Company | Fast Company | Business + Innovation

Other movement veterans have attempted to bring their previous beliefs into line with their current activities. John Gage, a veteran of the Free Speech Movement, went on to become chief scientist at Sun Microsystems, blending, in his words, "'90s technology with '60s activism." Explaining business at Sun (where cofounder Bill Joy is also a veteran of The Movement), Gage notes that "The whole thing has a '60s flavor to it. There’s a populist ethic. You don’t like the news? Make some of your own. Put it on the Net." Describing Sun, New Economy champion Fast Company has noted: These days, 'Power to the People' sounds like the quaint rallying cry of a bygone era. But it's a way of life at young companies like Sun – where information flows freely and people aren't afraid to express their opinions – and in the explosion of activity around the Internet. For Gage, the Net - and in particular the World Wide Web - is an electronic frontier that marries technology and democracy, the last best hope for an economy built around grassroots participation and personal expression.

Here we see the New Left's vision of true democracy through technology finally realized.

OLD-COMPUTERS.COM : HISTORY / detailed info

In March 1978, Bill Joy, who studied at the University of California at Berkeley, released the first free version of UNIX operating system which is now known as BSD UNIX. (Berkeley Software Distribution)

The history of UNIX starts back in 1969, when Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie and others started working on a Digital Equipment PDP-7 computer at Bell Labs. The first edition was launched in 1971 and was mainly used for text processing. It had a kernel, an assembler for the DEC PDP-11/20, a file system and some vital tools, including the 'ed' (editor for mortals) text editor written by Bill Joy.

Two years later, the Fourth Edition was totally rewritten in C language with multi-platform support in mind, allowing it to be used on a wide range of computers. In 1975, the Sixth Version, widely known as 'Version 6' was the first UNIX version really available outside the Bell Labs. The first BSD version was derived from this V6.

The second BSD version was launched a few months later with the full kernel source codes. This version became the backbone of the Internet and introduced the "open source" concept.
From this time, the various flavours of UNIX were divided in two different families, the BSD based types and those derived from the SYSTEM V.
The Berkeley version of UNIX became the standard in education and research and was notable for introducing using TCP/IP to UNIX (later Bill Joy will be nicknamed the "Edison of the Internet"). BSD was widely distributed in source form so that others could learn from it and improve it.

After having been involved in the BSD project, Bill Joy co-founded Sun Microsystems in 1982 and led technical strategy of the company. He designed Sun's Network File System (NFS), parts of the SPARC microprocessor architecture as well as basic pipeline used in all of Sun's SPARC microprocessors.
Later, he was the co-author of the specification for the Java programming language.
In 1998, Bill was appointed as Chief Scientist of the company.

Well THANK YOU for proving MY POINT!! Perfectly! FREE at first but boy capitalism at it's best!!

Well Bill Joy certainly enjoyed capitalism!!...

Now Bill Joy didn't become a billionaire simply by giving away UNIX!

When the Right get caught with their foot in their mouth, they simply move the goal posts and claim victory.

Capitalism did not build the internet, The Hippies of the Free Speech Movement and the government money channeled through Al Gore built and funded the internet. Bill Joy and others like him profited from the COMMERCE that went over the internet AFTER it was created.

Try again.

We again would NOT be able to communicate i.e. Internet" without people making money off the process. I'm looking right now at an AD for H&R block... do you think usmessageboard is giving this space away?
We thank the hippies for their largess and also realize that if it hadn't been for people pursuing profits, i.e. capitalism the internet would still look like this and you and I definitely wouldn't be communicating because there would be NO H&R Block ads!!

 

[Ame®icano]

"pure captialism"

Sure thing, Ed!!!!

There is no capitalism here. Hasn't been any in well over 100 years. Go read a dictionary, fella.

You know Capitalism is a complete failure when its supporters claim it doesn't exist!

No, dipshit. It is being pointed out to you that we do not have capitalism and therefore blaming central planner scheme failures on it is proposterous. But you do not even know WTF you're talking about, so it's rather silly to stay on the merry-go-round to the last brain cell with you over it.

We do not have capitalism only because of central planners from D.C.

 

[Derideo_Te]

People and businesses that actually pay taxes. Taxpayers.

If the golden goose = taxpayers then why are conservatives so adamantly opposed to the health of taxpayers AKA as the ACA?

Many reasons why, I'll give you few...

1. Freedom to chose how to live own life.
2. Take from Peter to pay Paul.
3. Still about the same number of uninsured.

Do you really think that ACA is designed to benefit taxpayers?

So now you are openly admitting that conservatives don't care if the golden goose (AKA taxpayers) dies/die because it/they cannot afford healthcare on the pittance that greedy conservatives are willing to pay in wages.

So much for valuing life above all else when conservatives don't care about what happens to the living.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Why is Obama afraid to fully implement the ACA law AS IS without pick and choosing which parts of the law are to be upheld .... and which ones we really don't need to worry about right now? You boasted about it, you committed your presidency in support of Pelosi bogging down Congress to ram it down our throats into law, you signed it, now at least have the balls to allow the new ACA law to stand or fail on its own without making excuses for what went wrong and what potential damage it could bring to the party who OWNS it.

You deflected instead of answering the question. Here it is again;

If the golden goose = taxpayers then why are conservatives so adamantly opposed to the health of taxpayers AKA as the ACA?

Well let me ask why should there have BEEN an ACA that is destroying the health care of millions when in reality one of the taxes in ACA i.e. 10% tax on tanning salons should have
been a tax on the group that causes according to the experts $850 billion a year in wasted claims paid by insurance companies and Medicare?

Especially when the 10% tax on that group would have paid the premium for each of the truly 4 million people that WANT, THAT need insurance...not the 46 million bogus number
used to pass the DESTRUCTIVE ACA.

Tell me you aren't aware that the experts tell us there is a $850 billion a year in savings that could be done.

Yet another deflection. Obviously you are incapable of supporting your own allegation.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Why is Obama afraid to fully implement the ACA law AS IS without pick and choosing which parts of the law are to be upheld .... and which ones we really don't need to worry about right now? You boasted about it, you committed your presidency in support of Pelosi bogging down Congress to ram it down our throats into law, you signed it, now at least have the balls to allow the new ACA law to stand or fail on its own without making excuses for what went wrong and what potential damage it could bring to the party who OWNS it.

You deflected instead of answering the question. Here it is again;

If the golden goose = taxpayers then why are conservatives so adamantly opposed to the health of taxpayers AKA as the ACA?

there is nothing here to "deflect" away from; as it is a straw man argument built off of a false premise. More people have LOST THEIR UNSURANCE DUE TO OBAMACARE than have signed up. In fact 9 out of 10 people who signed up for obamaCare are people who HAD INSURANCE ALREADY BUT LOST IT DUE TO OBAMACARE

The strawman is all yours since your side alleged that "conservatives care about the health of the golden goose" when that is utterly false.

 

[g5000]

The difference between a post-Reagan conservative and a liberal is the conservatives borrow and spend while the liberals tax and spend.

That. Is. It.

 

[History]

Health Care is Not a Right..

 

[Ame®icano]

If the golden goose = taxpayers then why are conservatives so adamantly opposed to the health of taxpayers AKA as the ACA?

Many reasons why, I'll give you few...

1. Freedom to chose how to live own life.
2. Take from Peter to pay Paul.
3. Still about the same number of uninsured.

Do you really think that ACA is designed to benefit taxpayers?

So now you are openly admitting that conservatives don't care if the golden goose (AKA taxpayers) dies/die because it/they cannot afford healthcare on the pittance that greedy conservatives are willing to pay in wages.

So much for valuing life above all else when conservatives don't care about what happens to the living.

Nope, that's what you're seeing and not what I am saying.
What you're not seeing, or ignoring to see, and I stated in several posts is that golden goose we're talking about are taxpayers.
The ACA is not designed for them, but for usual suspect - freeloaders, group you constantly trying to identify as golden goose. They're not. And I couldn't care less for them.

 

[candycorn]

Liberals usually have higher income and IQs.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Point of view.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Health Care is Not a Right..

So you are saying that no one has a right to life either?

 

[driveby]

Liberals usually have higher income and IQs.

Only when self proclaimed by liberals of course.......

Prof sets out to prove tea partiers are stupid, admits he was wrong | The Daily Caller