The Economic Lockdown Catastrophe The worst jobs report in history shows why the economy must reopen.

[Kondor3]

...so.....where is the lockdown line drawn??? ~S~

That's a very excellent question.

And, truth be told, I do not have an answer.

But we DO pay taxes to fund agencies which, in turn, recruit Subject Matter Experts to determine and articulate such lines.

I trust what I'm hearing from the likes of Fauci and others who are not completely controlled by the present Administration.

And, from a layman's perspective, my own personal and unscientific opinion is that we have crossed that line and require such measures for a while longer.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You want Trump to do what FDR did during The Great Depression? So you want us to wallow in economic collapse for the next ten years? Why would anyone want a replay of that?

No, I think he wants us into another global war....this time with Russia, lol.

 

[JoeB131]

Again, yet another one who refuses to hold China and WHO accountable for ANYTHING. . It’s ALL Trump’s fault.

Yup. China and WHO aren't in charge of America. Trump is.

Trump is the one who ignored three months of warnings.
Trump is the one who refuses to use the Defense production Act to build up supplies.
Trump is the one who disbanded the Pandemic Response Team and put his idiot son-in-law in charge.
Trump is the one who recommended quack cures like Lysol and Hydrochloroquinine
Trump is the one who called the thing a "Hoax".

You want Trump to do what FDR did during The Great Depression? So you want us to wallow in economic collapse for the next ten years? Why would anyone want a replay of that?

Wow, you never talked to anyone who lived through the Great Depression. The problem with the Great Depression was that had ALREADY BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE YEARS before FDR got there. Then he introduced the New Deal, which got us out of it, only to see us dip into a minor recession in 1937 when they ended relief efforts too soon. We STILL did better than the rest of the world, most of which dipped into Fascism or Communism.

Let Trump do what he does best...handle an economic resurgence. You think Joe Biden and the Democrats know how to fix an economy? How did "Hairplugs" do when he was second in command of The Great Recession?

Actually, he did pretty awesome, but because you are a racist fuckwad, you won't ever give the black guy credit.

Here's the thing, buddy. When you get to the Ronald Reagan question, "Are you better off than you were four years ago."

Obama, the question could be answered with a definitive yes in 2012.

Trump the answer is a definitive "FUCK NO!"

That's why he'll lose. Badly.

 

[JoeB131]

And there it is, folks! The real reason that those on the left want to keep things closed down and kill the economy! Because they think it will hurt Trump! Never mind the millions of Americans that will lose their jobs forever as companies go bankrupt and close. Anything to gain power. Anything to get another flawed candidate elected.

you have it mixed up. This happened because Trump was such a fucking incompetent boob, who fucked this entire thing up six ways to Sunday. That's why this happened. Even though ALL the medical experts are screaming that it's too soon, even with people around Trump dropping like flies to this thing, he STILL wants to reopen the country too early in hopes of saving his sorry behind in the election.

He'll just end up making things worse.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Again, yet another one who refuses to hold China and WHO accountable for ANYTHING. . It’s ALL Trump’s fault.

Yup. China and WHO aren't in charge of America. Trump is.

Trump is the one who ignored three months of warnings.
Trump is the one who refuses to use the Defense production Act to build up supplies.
Trump is the one who disbanded the Pandemic Response Team and put his idiot son-in-law in charge.
Trump is the one who recommended quack cures like Lysol and Hydrochloroquinine
Trump is the one who called the thing a "Hoax".

You want Trump to do what FDR did during The Great Depression? So you want us to wallow in economic collapse for the next ten years? Why would anyone want a replay of that?

Wow, you never talked to anyone who lived through the Great Depression. The problem with the Great Depression was that had ALREADY BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE YEARS before FDR got there. Then he introduced the New Deal, which got us out of it, only to see us dip into a minor recession in 1937 when they ended relief efforts too soon. We STILL did better than the rest of the world, most of which dipped into Fascism or Communism.

Let Trump do what he does best...handle an economic resurgence. You think Joe Biden and the Democrats know how to fix an economy? How did "Hairplugs" do when he was second in command of The Great Recession?

Actually, he did pretty awesome, but because you are a racist fuckwad, you won't ever give the black guy credit.

Here's the thing, buddy. When you get to the Ronald Reagan question, "Are you better off than you were four years ago."

Obama, the question could be answered with a definitive yes in 2012.

Trump the answer is a definitive "FUCK NO!"

That's why he'll lose. Badly.

You still insist on not holding China accountable at all. China and WHO sat on data and were not forthcoming in addition to China’s malfeasance and root cause in creating this for America and the rest of the world. GET TRUMP is more important than saving America. We saw this with you people on 9/11 with Bush and when Democrats took over, they still just focused on 9/11 being Bush’s fault until they literally had their own 9/11 in 2012 that they had to lie about it and blame Republicans. That mentality and lack of accountability is what we can expect again from Democrats with future pandemics.

 

[Oldestyle]

And there it is, folks! The real reason that those on the left want to keep things closed down and kill the economy! Because they think it will hurt Trump! Never mind the millions of Americans that will lose their jobs forever as companies go bankrupt and close. Anything to gain power. Anything to get another flawed candidate elected.

you have it mixed up. This happened because Trump was such a fucking incompetent boob, who fucked this entire thing up six ways to Sunday. That's why this happened. Even though ALL the medical experts are screaming that it's too soon, even with people around Trump dropping like flies to this thing, he STILL wants to reopen the country too early in hopes of saving his sorry behind in the election.

He'll just end up making things worse.

He's not saving his ass by reopening the country...he's saving the asses of thousands of small businesses that are teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and the asses of millions of Americans that are out of work and need their jobs back!

I hate to break this to you but compared to how Cuomo fucked up the response in New York, Trump looks like an all star! Forcing elderly patients back into nursing homes after they've been diagnosed with the Covid 19 virus? Who could POSSIBLY be that stupid?

 

[lennypartiv]

Trump is the one who ignored three months of warnings.
Trump is the one who refuses to use the Defense production Act to build up supplies.
Trump is the one who disbanded the Pandemic Response Team and put his idiot son-in-law in charge.
Trump is the one who recommended quack cures like Lysol and Hydrochloroquinine
Trump is the one who called the thing a "Hoax".

Trump is the one who knows how important a good economy is. Trump is the one who can save us. Trump will be remembered as our hero.

 

[basquebromance]

Clearly there have been examples of really draconian, arbitrary restrictions that have nothing to do with public health

You’re not a dictator. You don’t have unlimited authority. People do have rights

 

[Oldestyle]

The latest thing down here in Florida is a huge influx of people flooding the State because where they're from (New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts & Michigan) Democratic governors have everything locked down tight! The people with the means to do so are fleeing all those States. The ones that are left behind? The poor and Middle Class people who are stuck having to suffer through lockdowns that are now based more on politics than they are on science!

 

[basquebromance]

GIVE ME MY COUNTRY BACK! GET YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY GOVERNMENT CHECK!

 

[basquebromance]

we were sailing. 2 months ago the economy was sailing. SAILING!

 

[lennypartiv]

we were sailing. 2 months ago the economy was sailing. SAILING!

Liberals started freaking out when the media started covering the old people dying. That's what old people do, they die.

 

[JoeB131]

You still insist on not holding China accountable at all. China and WHO sat on data and were not forthcoming in addition to China’s malfeasance and root cause in creating this for America and the rest of the world. GET TRUMP is more important than saving America. We saw this with you people on 9/11 with Bush and when Democrats took over, they still just focused on 9/11 being Bush’s fault until they literally had their own 9/11 in 2012 that they had to lie about it and blame Republicans. That mentality and lack of accountability is what we can expect again from Democrats with future pandemics.

China wasn't in charge of our response. That's totally on Trump. We have a lot of scientists and even the data that was available in January should have been enough of a warning to do something. Trump did nothing until March. He's STILL trying to reopen the country early.

As for 9/11... um, yeah. Bush had a warning a month earlier that Bin Laden was looking to attack using airplanes. He said, "Well, you've covered your ass" and went fishing.

What "literal" 9/11 happened in 2012? If you mean Benghazi, that was in 2011, and only four people died. Just can't get worked up over that.

Point was, Obama dealt with multiple outbreaks of potential pandemics... H1N1, Ebola, Zika, West Nile Virus.

They were contained.


Trump keeps dropping the ball.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump is the one who knows how important a good economy is. Trump is the one who can save us. Trump will be remembered as our hero.

Trump has the worst economy since Herbert Hoover, another brilliant businessman who had no idea how to run a government.

 

[LeftofLeft]

You still insist on not holding China accountable at all. China and WHO sat on data and were not forthcoming in addition to China’s malfeasance and root cause in creating this for America and the rest of the world. GET TRUMP is more important than saving America. We saw this with you people on 9/11 with Bush and when Democrats took over, they still just focused on 9/11 being Bush’s fault until they literally had their own 9/11 in 2012 that they had to lie about it and blame Republicans. That mentality and lack of accountability is what we can expect again from Democrats with future pandemics.

China wasn't in charge of our response. That's totally on Trump. We have a lot of scientists and even the data that was available in January should have been enough of a warning to do something. Trump did nothing until March. He's STILL trying to reopen the country early.

As for 9/11... um, yeah. Bush had a warning a month earlier that Bin Laden was looking to attack using airplanes. He said, "Well, you've covered your ass" and went fishing.

What "literal" 9/11 happened in 2012? If you mean Benghazi, that was in 2011, and only four people died. Just can't get worked up over that.

Point was, Obama dealt with multiple outbreaks of potential pandemics... H1N1, Ebola, Zika, West Nile Virus.

They were contained.


Trump keeps dropping the ball.

China is the root cause. Trump is not the root cause. Even if Trump does not get re-elected, China is still going to be the root cause.

 

[Oldestyle]

You still insist on not holding China accountable at all. China and WHO sat on data and were not forthcoming in addition to China’s malfeasance and root cause in creating this for America and the rest of the world. GET TRUMP is more important than saving America. We saw this with you people on 9/11 with Bush and when Democrats took over, they still just focused on 9/11 being Bush’s fault until they literally had their own 9/11 in 2012 that they had to lie about it and blame Republicans. That mentality and lack of accountability is what we can expect again from Democrats with future pandemics.

China wasn't in charge of our response. That's totally on Trump. We have a lot of scientists and even the data that was available in January should have been enough of a warning to do something. Trump did nothing until March. He's STILL trying to reopen the country early.

As for 9/11... um, yeah. Bush had a warning a month earlier that Bin Laden was looking to attack using airplanes. He said, "Well, you've covered your ass" and went fishing.

What "literal" 9/11 happened in 2012? If you mean Benghazi, that was in 2011, and only four people died. Just can't get worked up over that.

Point was, Obama dealt with multiple outbreaks of potential pandemics... H1N1, Ebola, Zika, West Nile Virus.

They were contained.


Trump keeps dropping the ball.

China fucked every other country on the planet, Joey! They knew this was bad and they covered up how bad it was. The World Health Organization was complicit in that coverup. That's not on Trump. That's on China and the WHO!

 

[JoeB131]

China is the root cause. Trump is not the root cause. Even if Trump does not get re-elected, China is still going to be the root cause.

Nope. China had nothing to do with it other than it started there. China didn't cause it. China didn't make Trump fumble the response for months (and still keep fumbling it.)

 

[JoeB131]

China fucked every other country on the planet, Joey! They knew this was bad and they covered up how bad it was. The World Health Organization was complicit in that coverup. That's not on Trump. That's on China and the WHO!

NOpe, it still on Trump, buddy. China MAYBE was less than forthcoming for a couple of days. Trump (who never should have just taken Xi's word for it) delayed taking serious action on testing or stockpiling PPE for MONTHS.

That's why this disaster is on him. That's why he's getting voted out in November. Hopefully criminally charged afterwards.

 

[Arresmillao]

Here is the reality: This shutdown cannot continue or it will destroy this country:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-economic-lockdown-catastrophe-11588978716​

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Unemployment in April soared to 14.7%—the highest rate since the government started keeping records in 1948—while employers shed 20.5 million more jobs after losing 870,000 in March. The labor-market bleeding is even worse than those numbers suggest since 6.4 million workers left the workforce.​

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Labor participation had been trending upward the past two years as faster job growth drew millions of low-income Americans from the sidelines. But the participation rate has now fallen 3.2 percentage points to 60.2% since a recent peak in February, the lowest since 1973 before large numbers of women started working.​

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Much of the media continue to treat the economic destruction as a sideshow and present a false choice between saving lives and jobs. But this is the fastest jobs collapse in modern history. The Great Depression drove millions of Americans into poverty and caused many suicides, and there’s a substantial risk this could happen again.​

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Mental-health crisis hotlines are reporting spikes in calls. According to Express Scripts, anti-anxiety prescriptions increased by a third between mid-February and mid-March. Many in despair will probably turn to alcohol or narcotics. CVS executives warned this week that delayed care could lead to a surge of non-coronavirus related health problems. They include cancers undiagnosed and illnesses left untreated.​

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Hospitals have also had to cancel elective procedures, which is how they make most of their money. Stanford Health Care is cutting pay by 20% for its 14,000 workers. The California Medical Association reported that revenues at private practices have declined by two-thirds since March 1, and half have furloughed or laid off staff.​

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Congress has appropriated $175 billion to shore up hospitals, but this won’t help small physician practices much. Many health-care providers warn they may not survive if their privately insured patients lose jobs and sign up for Medicaid​

Economy and jobs to rebound by 2021, Joe will take all the glory, shitolini all the blame and disgrace....

 

[Oldestyle]

China fucked every other country on the planet, Joey! They knew this was bad and they covered up how bad it was. The World Health Organization was complicit in that coverup. That's not on Trump. That's on China and the WHO!

NOpe, it still on Trump, buddy. China MAYBE was less than forthcoming for a couple of days. Trump (who never should have just taken Xi's word for it) delayed taking serious action on testing or stockpiling PPE for MONTHS.

That's why this disaster is on him. That's why he's getting voted out in November. Hopefully criminally charged afterwards.

You're an idiot, Joe! China was "MAYBE" less than forthcoming for a couple of days? They lied about this thing for months! While they shut down travel from Wu Han to other parts of China they allowed travel from Wu Han to other parts of the world! In other words they allowed this virus to spread unchecked to US and the rest of the world while they protected themselves! While they were telling the rest of the world that the virus wasn't that bad they were buying up as much PPE and testing supplies as they could to protect themselves from this virus! What they did was reprehensible! They should be made a governmental PARIAH by the rest of the world for their actions! They should be sued by the world as a whole for the damage that their actions have caused to the world community!