The fallacy of black unwed births

[Montrovant]

Are you saying the larger number of white crimes is diminished by proportionality? Usually critics of the Black community see those FBI stats showing considerable White criminality as an afterthought not worthy of debate. But the uninformed linking of so-called trends may be more of a societal problem than you realize. It is especially onerous to the majority of Blacks who are trying to do the right thing. Assumptions such as yours lead to discrimination and marginalization of an entire people based on statistical innuendo and misunderstandings by millions of white people who have never had a black friend or associate.

I understand that the ugly truth about black crime rates is a bitter pill to swallow, but it doesn't make it any less true. 13% of the population commits around 50% of the total homicides. Less than 13% if you factor in the male to female ratio. Black males are statistically more likely to commit murder than white males, by a huge margin. And that's not even factoring in all of the other crimes like robbery and assault all of which hover around 50% or higher among the black community. Sorry if it offends you, but it's true.

Im skeptical of crime statistics generated unilaterally by Whites to demonize which are ONLY used to demonize the entire Back population. I don't see the wisdom in any Black person taking those derogatory statistics at face value just because their enemies say they are true. Some whites are refusing to drink the statistical kool-aid too. For instance Tim Wise, noted race relations gets to the nitty gritty of race based statistics:

Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

"* Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;

* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another). Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;

* No more than 0.7 percent (seven-tenths of one percent) of African Americans will commit a violent crime against a white person in a given year, and fewer than 0.3 (three-tenths of one percent) of whites will be victimized by a black person in a given year;

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American."
Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

US MB is decidedly a sounding board for a number of political viewpoints. But the overwhelming majority of contributors here are radicalized White males and the women who love them. In this environment, I can understand why IM2 or Asclepias could be taunted enough to reciprocate against the extreme anti-Black sentiment found in these forums. I have been just as vociferous and just as militant as they have at times. That doesn't make me a hater of ALL White people it just makes me a hater of a certain kind of White person. I do regret using pejoratives and other verbal defense mechanisms to counter some of the more viral racists on this board but I am unapologetic for doing so. If the board tolerates vile anti Black depictions and taunts by racists, who, BTW, have gotten good ratings from many Whites I thought were liberal. Some white respondents do condemn the blatant racists here, but not enough.

Seems to me that the left and right point of view is close to equally balanced here. Trolls on both sides of the spectrum constantly slinging mud at one another, hardly any real discussion and nobody ever admits to being wrong. Are the right leaning trolls any more "radicalized" than the left leaning ones? ...and if IM2 and Asclepias are justified in going around saying white people are genetically inferior and have never done anything good for the world, smell like wet dogs etc, then how can it be wrong for white people to punch back? News and entertainment media constantly demonize and belittle us, not to mention our own elected politicians. Trump was elected in large part due to white people being fed up with the double standard.

I guess we see things differently. The board is overwhelmingly RIGHT leaning and extreme racist banter flourishes here. I can't speak for my brothers IM2 and Asclepias but I will say I cannot fault them for fighting fire with fire. Black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts. They came here looking for intelligent titillating conversation. Instead, What they met when putting forth their experiences and histories was outright verbal race war.

White newcomers and those with more moderate views on race aren't aware of the context in which Blacks sometimes respond to insults about their entire race. All they see is a Black man spouting invectives about white people. They don't care that ShootSpeeders still uses the caricature of Obama and Michele as apes, or that most of the anti-Black propaganda fed by race based crime statistics and news media are flawed. It is interesting you think the White owned media demonizes white people. That statement is so ridiculous I fail to see the value of making it.

TO Radicalized Whiet males, every derogatory report about Blacks is all true and any Black person or advocate that voices doubt about any of it is a delusional racist. Obviously, Black posters aren't going to accept that view and will comment aggressively when they find it. I 'm sorry for those innocent whites and blacks caught up in the verbal war zone but I guess well will just have to write them off as collateral damage.

As for IM2 and Asclepias, I see them as intelligent Blacks who are simply fighting back against overwhelming odds. They don't have the luxury of separating the bad guys from the good. Trying to be diplomatic in the face of viral racism is not an option that works here. I know I've tried it. Yet I'm still convinced there are white people here who really want to have a civil discussion about topics that affect Blacks and whites alike. I'd much rather engage people like that than those who thrown statistical data at me that I have no control over nor faith in.

Recently I tried to appeal to common decency but your pal Asclepias reminded me that he thinks that white women and children in South Africa deserve to be raped and murdered for occupying "black land" and would like to see similar uprisings happen here in America. Is that what you call intelligent diplomacy? Was he serious or just trolling? I don't know.

Anyway, basically what I want you to understand is black people's problems aren't my fault and I am sick of being blamed for them.

Again, I can't speak for Asclepias any more than he can speak for me. We both are free thinkers so our opinions do not necessarily reflect the sentiments of all Black people in America or anywhere else although we do agree on most things including the controlling demeaning nature of whites when it comes to issues concerning social interactions between us and them. Even now you point to black people's problems as something you know something about. Do you really know what Black people's problems are or are you just relying on Fox News and non contextual statistics to do that for you?

You say you can't speak for Asclepias and IM2, but you seem to be doing so when you say that "black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts." I have no idea if Asclepias and IM2 came here with racial animus in their hearts. I don't even know if someone like Tank or Steve McGarrett came here with racial animus in their hearts. All anyone can really do is look at the racial animus, or lack thereof, in posts made by a person, and go from there.

In the case of IM2, since he began this thread, while I do think his posts often contain a pretty strong anti-white bias, I am still willing to discuss race and racial issues with him. For the more blatant and ridiculous racists on the board like a Steve McGarrett, I generally don't bother trying. That can certainly present an appearance of letting white racial animus slide while calling out black racial animus, but actually, it is the opposite in terms of sentiment: I don't think racists like Tank or McGarrett are worth my time.

There are some pretty blatant racists and bigots on USMB, and quite a few more of them are white than black or any other minority.

Of course, all of this is based on what people post; I have no idea who might just be a troll, or lying about their race, etc.

 

[Montrovant]

Im skeptical of crime statistics generated unilaterally by Whites to demonize which are ONLY used to demonize the entire Back population. I don't see the wisdom in any Black person taking those derogatory statistics at face value just because their enemies say they are true. Some whites are refusing to drink the statistical kool-aid too. For instance Tim Wise, noted race relations gets to the nitty gritty of race based statistics:
Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

I can't help but notice how you characterized whites as the "enemy" of blacks. If you choose to believe FBI crime statistics are some kind of racist conspiracy to make black people look bad, that's your choice. Disagreeing with your opinions doesn't make me your enemy. I know from experience though, that disagreeing with a social justice warrior is morally reprehensible and an covert admission of being a devout adherent of Nazism. Tim Wise is nothing but a race hustler and nothing he says should ever be taken seriously. Also, he's not white, he's Jewish, so there's that.

I guess we see things differently. The board is overwhelmingly RIGHT leaning and extreme racist banter flourishes here. I can't speak for my brothers IM2 and Asclepias but I will say I cannot fault them for fighting fire with fire. Black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts. They came here looking for intelligent titillating conversation. Instead, What they met when putting forth their experiences and histories was outright verbal race war.

White newcomers and those with more moderate views on race aren't aware of the context in which Blacks sometimes respond to insults about their entire race. All they see is a Black man spouting invectives about white people. They don't care that ShootSpeeders still uses the caricature of Obama and Michele as apes, or that most of the anti-Black propaganda fed by race based crime statistics and news media are flawed. It is interesting you think the White owned media demonizes white people. That statement is so ridiculous I fail to see the value of making it.

TO Radicalized Whiet males, every derogatory report about Blacks is all true and any Black person or advocate that voices doubt about any of it is a delusional racist. Obviously, Black posters aren't going to accept that view and will comment aggressively when they find it. I 'm sorry for those innocent whites and blacks caught up in the verbal war zone but I guess well will just have to write them off as collateral damage.

There's the double standard again. Poor innocent black racists, they can't help it! whitey made them do it! It's ok to be racist so long as you're black! Own your shit, white people aren't holding a gun to your head and forcing you to type stuff online. It's called taking personal responsibility. As for the "ridiculous" concept of "white owned" media demonizing white people, I could provide hundreds and hundreds of examples but you know how google works. Search "white men"; read it and weep.

Almost every corporate media CEO is Jewish BTW, the media from top to bottom is overwhelmingly run by jews.

Again, I can't speak for Asclepias any more than he can speak for me. We both are free thinkers so our opinions do not necessarily reflect the sentiments of all Black people in America or anywhere else although we do agree on most things including the controlling demeaning nature of whites when it comes to issues concerning social interactions between us and them. Even now you point to black people's problems as something you know something about. Do you really know what Black people's problems are or are you just relying on Fox News and non contextual statistics to do that for you?

But I thought it was the duty of decent people to hold anonymous strangers accountable for the things they say online? But you won't condemn Asclepias for his rape/murder all white people comments? Oh, I forgot, black people (and jews) are allowed to say whatever they want, it's only white people who are held to this standard. I live in a high crime area in the inner city and don't watch fox news so please spare me the demeaning assumptions.

 

[impuretrash]

Did I "blame the jews" for my problems? Go ahead and quote the part where I did that. I merely pointed out the fact that Tim Wise is a Jew and that the media is mostly run by them. Is any of that untrue?

 

[IM2]

Im skeptical of crime statistics generated unilaterally by Whites to demonize which are ONLY used to demonize the entire Back population. I don't see the wisdom in any Black person taking those derogatory statistics at face value just because their enemies say they are true. Some whites are refusing to drink the statistical kool-aid too. For instance Tim Wise, noted race relations gets to the nitty gritty of race based statistics:
Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

I can't help but notice how you characterized whites as the "enemy" of blacks. If you choose to believe FBI crime statistics are some kind of racist conspiracy to make black people look bad, that's your choice. Disagreeing with your opinions doesn't make me your enemy. I know from experience though, that disagreeing with a social justice warrior is morally reprehensible and an covert admission of being a devout adherent of Nazism. Tim Wise is nothing but a race hustler and nothing he says should ever be taken seriously. Also, he's not white, he's Jewish, so there's that.

I guess we see things differently. The board is overwhelmingly RIGHT leaning and extreme racist banter flourishes here. I can't speak for my brothers IM2 and Asclepias but I will say I cannot fault them for fighting fire with fire. Black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts. They came here looking for intelligent titillating conversation. Instead, What they met when putting forth their experiences and histories was outright verbal race war.

White newcomers and those with more moderate views on race aren't aware of the context in which Blacks sometimes respond to insults about their entire race. All they see is a Black man spouting invectives about white people. They don't care that ShootSpeeders still uses the caricature of Obama and Michele as apes, or that most of the anti-Black propaganda fed by race based crime statistics and news media are flawed. It is interesting you think the White owned media demonizes white people. That statement is so ridiculous I fail to see the value of making it.

TO Radicalized Whiet males, every derogatory report about Blacks is all true and any Black person or advocate that voices doubt about any of it is a delusional racist. Obviously, Black posters aren't going to accept that view and will comment aggressively when they find it. I 'm sorry for those innocent whites and blacks caught up in the verbal war zone but I guess well will just have to write them off as collateral damage.

There's the double standard again. Poor innocent black racists, they can't help it! whitey made them do it! It's ok to be racist so long as you're black! Own your shit, white people aren't holding a gun to your head and forcing you to type stuff online. It's called taking personal responsibility. As for the "ridiculous" concept of "white owned" media demonizing white people, I could provide hundreds and hundreds of examples but you know how google works. Search "white men"; read it and weep.

Almost every corporate media CEO is Jewish BTW, the media from top to bottom is overwhelmingly run by jews.

Again, I can't speak for Asclepias any more than he can speak for me. We both are free thinkers so our opinions do not necessarily reflect the sentiments of all Black people in America or anywhere else although we do agree on most things including the controlling demeaning nature of whites when it comes to issues concerning social interactions between us and them. Even now you point to black people's problems as something you know something about. Do you really know what Black people's problems are or are you just relying on Fox News and non contextual statistics to do that for you?

But I thought it was the duty of decent people to hold anonymous strangers accountable for the things they say online? But you won't condemn Asclepias for his rape/murder all white people comments? Oh, I forgot, black people (and jews) are allowed to say whatever they want, it's only white people who are held to this standard. I live in a high crime area in the inner city and don't watch fox news so please spare me the demeaning assumptions.

Would you be so kind as to produce for us all the laws and policies made by blacks that have denied whites of opportunity.

 

[IM2]

Did I "blame the jews" for my problems? Go ahead and quote the part where I did that. I merely pointed out the fact that Tim Wise is a Jew and that the media is mostly run by them. Is any of that untrue?

Most of it.

 

[Montrovant]

Did I "blame the jews" for my problems? Go ahead and quote the part where I did that. I merely pointed out the fact that Tim Wise is a Jew and that the media is mostly run by them. Is any of that untrue?

Is that all you did? So, you didn't post this: "Oh, I forgot, black people (and jews) are allowed to say whatever they want, it's only white people who are held to this standard."?

You also have a bit of a history of using linking certain people's Jewishness to bad things about them. For example, Hollywood and the media.

 

[Vastator]

Ahem, IM2, Blacks are 13% of the population.

Yeah... that per capita thing escapes his comprehension. So he pretends it doesn’t matter, or exist...

 

[IM2]

Ahem, IM2, Blacks are 13% of the population.

Yeah... that per capita thing escapes his comprehension. So he pretends it doesn’t matter, or exist...

The only thing that escapes comprehension is your failure to understand totals.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here, but if you go into the data, there are 5 racial listings used: Non-hispanic white, Non-hispanic black, American Indian or Alaskan Native, Asian or Pacific Islanders, and Hispanic. The CDC report lists the percentages of babies born within each race to unmarried mothers. In order, those percentages are 29.2, 70.4, 65.8, 16.4, and 52.9.

So yes, fewer babies are born to unwed black mothers than unwed white mothers. However, the odds of a black mother being unwed when giving birth are far greater than the odds of a white mother being unwed when giving birth. The odds of an Asian or Pacific Islander mother being unwed when giving birth are the lowest.

Age is also a big indicator, as the younger a new mother is, the greater the chance she will be unwed.

I'm not sure just what you think you are proving with these statistics.

Here's the link directly to the CDC report, rather than just the article: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_03.pdf

Montrovant, I have access to that. I know those numbers.I went into the data. I'm proving that the number of black unwed births is actually small when compared to ALL BIRTHS. We ain't talking about no freaking odds because the odds are greater that black married women are not having children compared to white women. What you see here is the same type of bullshit whites try pulling with black on black crime. The truth of this matter montrovant is you believe only half the story at best. If you cannot look at all the facts don't come thinking you can show me a link to 1/4th of the facts like that's supposed tp mean something.

Has anyone claimed that the number of black babies born to unwed mothers is a majority of all births?

The numbers indicate that black women have babies out of wedlock at a higher rate than other races. The numbers also indicate that young women have babies out of wedlock at a higher rate than older women. Whites and hispanics both had higher total numbers of births out of wedlock. Blacks had a higher rate of births out of wedlock. These are all true statements based on the CDC data. And?

What is the point you are making? Are you just wanting to point out that black babies born to unwed mothers are a bit less than 10% of total births? OK.....that's an odd reason to make a thread, though.

I don't "believe only half the story at best." I haven't even heard just what you consider the story to be.

By the way, blacks had a higher rate of Cesarean births than any other race. Should I make a thread about that?

The numbers do not indicate what you say. OK? .That's my point. I have a real good reason for making this thread and you as the so called "colorblind" white don't seem to understand why. It is to shut up those who are racists and want to parade this bullshit 70 percent all the time using it as a moral judgment of blacks. OK? So you stay confused as to why I did this, but understand that when we talk about these things it's time whites looked at total numbers, There were more white children born out of wedlock than total backs who were born. You can excuse that by talking about rates and probability all you want, but that doesn't change the total number.

Look you stupid git, a PROBLEM is when a large number of a single group do something wrong bad or otherwise not good. Over 70 PERCENT of births in the black community are to UNWED mothers, less then 25 percent of all births to white mothers are out of wedlock. Further in the black community most of that 70 will have NO father present in the babies life. &0 percent versus 25 percent gee I wonder which represents a BIGGER problem?

 

[impuretrash]

Is that all you did? So, you didn't post this: "Oh, I forgot, black people (and jews) are allowed to say whatever they want, it's only white people who are held to this standard."?

You also have a bit of a history of using linking certain people's Jewishness to bad things about them. For example, Hollywood and the media.

It's true. Blacks and Jews profit from their exalted victim status.

 

[bgrouse]

Ahem, IM2, Blacks are 13% of the population.

Yeah... that per capita thing escapes his comprehension. So he pretends it doesn’t matter, or exist...

The only thing that escapes comprehension is your failure to understand totals.

We understand totals just fine. We also understand statistics and rates. All have their uses. Obviously your severely limited negro brain doesn't allow you to ever comprehend those latter two, so you keep parroting the pinnacle of your intellectual achievement (totals).

 

[IM2]

Are you saying the larger number of white crimes is diminished by proportionality? Usually critics of the Black community see those FBI stats showing considerable White criminality as an afterthought not worthy of debate. But the uninformed linking of so-called trends may be more of a societal problem than you realize. It is especially onerous to the majority of Blacks who are trying to do the right thing. Assumptions such as yours lead to discrimination and marginalization of an entire people based on statistical innuendo and misunderstandings by millions of white people who have never had a black friend or associate.

I understand that the ugly truth about black crime rates is a bitter pill to swallow, but it doesn't make it any less true. 13% of the population commits around 50% of the total homicides. Less than 13% if you factor in the male to female ratio. Black males are statistically more likely to commit murder than white males, by a huge margin. And that's not even factoring in all of the other crimes like robbery and assault all of which hover around 50% or higher among the black community. Sorry if it offends you, but it's true.

Im skeptical of crime statistics generated unilaterally by Whites to demonize which are ONLY used to demonize the entire Back population. I don't see the wisdom in any Black person taking those derogatory statistics at face value just because their enemies say they are true. Some whites are refusing to drink the statistical kool-aid too. For instance Tim Wise, noted race relations gets to the nitty gritty of race based statistics:

Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

"* Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;

* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another). Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;

* No more than 0.7 percent (seven-tenths of one percent) of African Americans will commit a violent crime against a white person in a given year, and fewer than 0.3 (three-tenths of one percent) of whites will be victimized by a black person in a given year;

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American."
Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

US MB is decidedly a sounding board for a number of political viewpoints. But the overwhelming majority of contributors here are radicalized White males and the women who love them. In this environment, I can understand why IM2 or Asclepias could be taunted enough to reciprocate against the extreme anti-Black sentiment found in these forums. I have been just as vociferous and just as militant as they have at times. That doesn't make me a hater of ALL White people it just makes me a hater of a certain kind of White person. I do regret using pejoratives and other verbal defense mechanisms to counter some of the more viral racists on this board but I am unapologetic for doing so. If the board tolerates vile anti Black depictions and taunts by racists, who, BTW, have gotten good ratings from many Whites I thought were liberal. Some white respondents do condemn the blatant racists here, but not enough.

Seems to me that the left and right point of view is close to equally balanced here. Trolls on both sides of the spectrum constantly slinging mud at one another, hardly any real discussion and nobody ever admits to being wrong. Are the right leaning trolls any more "radicalized" than the left leaning ones? ...and if IM2 and Asclepias are justified in going around saying white people are genetically inferior and have never done anything good for the world, smell like wet dogs etc, then how can it be wrong for white people to punch back? News and entertainment media constantly demonize and belittle us, not to mention our own elected politicians. Trump was elected in large part due to white people being fed up with the double standard.

I guess we see things differently. The board is overwhelmingly RIGHT leaning and extreme racist banter flourishes here. I can't speak for my brothers IM2 and Asclepias but I will say I cannot fault them for fighting fire with fire. Black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts. They came here looking for intelligent titillating conversation. Instead, What they met when putting forth their experiences and histories was outright verbal race war.

White newcomers and those with more moderate views on race aren't aware of the context in which Blacks sometimes respond to insults about their entire race. All they see is a Black man spouting invectives about white people. They don't care that ShootSpeeders still uses the caricature of Obama and Michele as apes, or that most of the anti-Black propaganda fed by race based crime statistics and news media are flawed. It is interesting you think the White owned media demonizes white people. That statement is so ridiculous I fail to see the value of making it.

TO Radicalized Whiet males, every derogatory report about Blacks is all true and any Black person or advocate that voices doubt about any of it is a delusional racist. Obviously, Black posters aren't going to accept that view and will comment aggressively when they find it. I 'm sorry for those innocent whites and blacks caught up in the verbal war zone but I guess well will just have to write them off as collateral damage.

As for IM2 and Asclepias, I see them as intelligent Blacks who are simply fighting back against overwhelming odds. They don't have the luxury of separating the bad guys from the good. Trying to be diplomatic in the face of viral racism is not an option that works here. I know I've tried it. Yet I'm still convinced there are white people here who really want to have a civil discussion about topics that affect Blacks and whites alike. I'd much rather engage people like that than those who thrown statistical data at me that I have no control over nor faith in.

Recently I tried to appeal to common decency but your pal Asclepias reminded me that he thinks that white women and children in South Africa deserve to be raped and murdered for occupying "black land" and would like to see similar uprisings happen here in America. Is that what you call intelligent diplomacy? Was he serious or just trolling? I don't know.

Anyway, basically what I want you to understand is black people's problems aren't my fault and I am sick of being blamed for them.

Again, I can't speak for Asclepias any more than he can speak for me. We both are free thinkers so our opinions do not necessarily reflect the sentiments of all Black people in America or anywhere else although we do agree on most things including the controlling demeaning nature of whites when it comes to issues concerning social interactions between us and them. Even now you point to black people's problems as something you know something about. Do you really know what Black people's problems are or are you just relying on Fox News and non contextual statistics to do that for you?

You say you can't speak for Asclepias and IM2, but you seem to be doing so when you say that "black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts." I have no idea if Asclepias and IM2 came here with racial animus in their hearts. I don't even know if someone like Tank or Steve McGarrett came here with racial animus in their hearts. All anyone can really do is look at the racial animus, or lack thereof, in posts made by a person, and go from there.

In the case of IM2, since he began this thread, while I do think his posts often contain a pretty strong anti-white bias, I am still willing to discuss race and racial issues with him. For the more blatant and ridiculous racists on the board like a Steve McGarrett, I generally don't bother trying. That can certainly present an appearance of letting white racial animus slide while calling out black racial animus, but actually, it is the opposite in terms of sentiment: I don't think racists like Tank or McGarrett are worth my time.

There are some pretty blatant racists and bigots on USMB, and quite a few more of them are white than black or any other minority.

Of course, all of this is based on what people post; I have no idea who might just be a troll, or lying about their race, etc.

There is no anti white bias here montrovant. What happens with me is I am tired of reading white opinions about us that are false. Look at this tread for example. Not one white wanted to look at he issue if unwed births but from the perspective of blacks having a 70 prcent rate. Not that when we look at the number of overall unwed births that blacks had 25 prcent of them or that from the aspect of overall births babies born to black unwed women was 10.4 percent. Oh no, every thing says 70 percent. Here UM2 let me give you the link. But every site doesn't say that's only the rate for overall black births not al births. And why is that? That's why I post because I am tired of reading opinions from whites about black culture and morals based on this bullshit that does not cover all the facts.

 

[IM2]

Ahem, IM2, Blacks are 13% of the population.

Yeah... that per capita thing escapes his comprehension. So he pretends it doesn’t matter, or exist...

The only thing that escapes comprehension is your failure to understand totals.

We understand totals just fine. We also understand statistics and rates. All have their uses. Obviously your severely limited negro brain doesn't allow you to ever comprehend those latter two, so you keep parroting the pinnacle of your intellectual achievement (totals).

Shut the hell up.

 

[IM2]

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here, but if you go into the data, there are 5 racial listings used: Non-hispanic white, Non-hispanic black, American Indian or Alaskan Native, Asian or Pacific Islanders, and Hispanic. The CDC report lists the percentages of babies born within each race to unmarried mothers. In order, those percentages are 29.2, 70.4, 65.8, 16.4, and 52.9.

So yes, fewer babies are born to unwed black mothers than unwed white mothers. However, the odds of a black mother being unwed when giving birth are far greater than the odds of a white mother being unwed when giving birth. The odds of an Asian or Pacific Islander mother being unwed when giving birth are the lowest.

Age is also a big indicator, as the younger a new mother is, the greater the chance she will be unwed.

I'm not sure just what you think you are proving with these statistics.

Here's the link directly to the CDC report, rather than just the article: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_03.pdf

Montrovant, I have access to that. I know those numbers.I went into the data. I'm proving that the number of black unwed births is actually small when compared to ALL BIRTHS. We ain't talking about no freaking odds because the odds are greater that black married women are not having children compared to white women. What you see here is the same type of bullshit whites try pulling with black on black crime. The truth of this matter montrovant is you believe only half the story at best. If you cannot look at all the facts don't come thinking you can show me a link to 1/4th of the facts like that's supposed tp mean something.

Has anyone claimed that the number of black babies born to unwed mothers is a majority of all births?

The numbers indicate that black women have babies out of wedlock at a higher rate than other races. The numbers also indicate that young women have babies out of wedlock at a higher rate than older women. Whites and hispanics both had higher total numbers of births out of wedlock. Blacks had a higher rate of births out of wedlock. These are all true statements based on the CDC data. And?

What is the point you are making? Are you just wanting to point out that black babies born to unwed mothers are a bit less than 10% of total births? OK.....that's an odd reason to make a thread, though.

I don't "believe only half the story at best." I haven't even heard just what you consider the story to be.

By the way, blacks had a higher rate of Cesarean births than any other race. Should I make a thread about that?

The numbers do not indicate what you say. OK? .That's my point. I have a real good reason for making this thread and you as the so called "colorblind" white don't seem to understand why. It is to shut up those who are racists and want to parade this bullshit 70 percent all the time using it as a moral judgment of blacks. OK? So you stay confused as to why I did this, but understand that when we talk about these things it's time whites looked at total numbers, There were more white children born out of wedlock than total backs who were born. You can excuse that by talking about rates and probability all you want, but that doesn't change the total number.

Look you stupid git, a PROBLEM is when a large number of a single group do something wrong bad or otherwise not good. Over 70 PERCENT of births in the black community are to UNWED mothers, less then 25 percent of all births to white mothers are out of wedlock. Further in the black community most of that 70 will have NO father present in the babies life. &0 percent versus 25 percent gee I wonder which represents a BIGGER problem?

Wrong. Every word stated is based on errant thinking if you thought it out at all.

 

[JQPublic1]

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here, but if you go into the data, there are 5 racial listings used: Non-hispanic white, Non-hispanic black, American Indian or Alaskan Native, Asian or Pacific Islanders, and Hispanic. The CDC report lists the percentages of babies born within each race to unmarried mothers. In order, those percentages are 29.2, 70.4, 65.8, 16.4, and 52.9.

So yes, fewer babies are born to unwed black mothers than unwed white mothers. However, the odds of a black mother being unwed when giving birth are far greater than the odds of a white mother being unwed when giving birth. The odds of an Asian or Pacific Islander mother being unwed when giving birth are the lowest.

Age is also a big indicator, as the younger a new mother is, the greater the chance she will be unwed.

I'm not sure just what you think you are proving with these statistics.

Here's the link directly to the CDC report, rather than just the article: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_03.pdf

Montrovant, I have access to that. I know those numbers.I went into the data. I'm proving that the number of black unwed births is actually small when compared to ALL BIRTHS. We ain't talking about no freaking odds because the odds are greater that black married women are not having children compared to white women. What you see here is the same type of bullshit whites try pulling with black on black crime. The truth of this matter montrovant is you believe only half the story at best. If you cannot look at all the facts don't come thinking you can show me a link to 1/4th of the facts like that's supposed tp mean something.

Has anyone claimed that the number of black babies born to unwed mothers is a majority of all births?

The numbers indicate that black women have babies out of wedlock at a higher rate than other races. The numbers also indicate that young women have babies out of wedlock at a higher rate than older women. Whites and hispanics both had higher total numbers of births out of wedlock. Blacks had a higher rate of births out of wedlock. These are all true statements based on the CDC data. And?

What is the point you are making? Are you just wanting to point out that black babies born to unwed mothers are a bit less than 10% of total births? OK.....that's an odd reason to make a thread, though.

I don't "believe only half the story at best." I haven't even heard just what you consider the story to be.

By the way, blacks had a higher rate of Cesarean births than any other race. Should I make a thread about that?

The numbers do not indicate what you say. OK? .That's my point. I have a real good reason for making this thread and you as the so called "colorblind" white don't seem to understand why. It is to shut up those who are racists and want to parade this bullshit 70 percent all the time using it as a moral judgment of blacks. OK? So you stay confused as to why I did this, but understand that when we talk about these things it's time whites looked at total numbers, There were more white children born out of wedlock than total backs who were born. You can excuse that by talking about rates and probability all you want, but that doesn't change the total number.

Look you stupid git, a PROBLEM is when a large number of a single group do something wrong bad or otherwise not good. Over 70 PERCENT of births in the black community are to UNWED mothers, less then 25 percent of all births to white mothers are out of wedlock. Further in the black community most of that 70 will have NO father present in the babies life. &0 percent versus 25 percent gee I wonder which represents a BIGGER problem?

I can't deny that the stats exist. I don't have the means to validate or invalidate them. But
what those stats suggest is that Black fathers are not taking responsibility for their kids. I don't accept that and I have posted eclvidence to show Black fathers, for the most part, are supporting their offspring and are involved in their lives. Marriage isn't necessary to keep families together in the black community. You just think it does. Thats YOUR problem. And remember 75% of the black population lives above the poverty level.

 

[impuretrash]

75% of the black population lives above the poverty level.

So what the fuck y'all be trippin about then SMDH

 

[JQPublic1]

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75% of the black population lives above the poverty level.

So what the fuck y'all be trippin about then SMDH

I don't speak Ebonics...please speak English.

 

[Montrovant]

Are you saying the larger number of white crimes is diminished by proportionality? Usually critics of the Black community see those FBI stats showing considerable White criminality as an afterthought not worthy of debate. But the uninformed linking of so-called trends may be more of a societal problem than you realize. It is especially onerous to the majority of Blacks who are trying to do the right thing. Assumptions such as yours lead to discrimination and marginalization of an entire people based on statistical innuendo and misunderstandings by millions of white people who have never had a black friend or associate.

I understand that the ugly truth about black crime rates is a bitter pill to swallow, but it doesn't make it any less true. 13% of the population commits around 50% of the total homicides. Less than 13% if you factor in the male to female ratio. Black males are statistically more likely to commit murder than white males, by a huge margin. And that's not even factoring in all of the other crimes like robbery and assault all of which hover around 50% or higher among the black community. Sorry if it offends you, but it's true.

Im skeptical of crime statistics generated unilaterally by Whites to demonize which are ONLY used to demonize the entire Back population. I don't see the wisdom in any Black person taking those derogatory statistics at face value just because their enemies say they are true. Some whites are refusing to drink the statistical kool-aid too. For instance Tim Wise, noted race relations gets to the nitty gritty of race based statistics:

Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

"* Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;

* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another). Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;

* No more than 0.7 percent (seven-tenths of one percent) of African Americans will commit a violent crime against a white person in a given year, and fewer than 0.3 (three-tenths of one percent) of whites will be victimized by a black person in a given year;

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American."
Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

US MB is decidedly a sounding board for a number of political viewpoints. But the overwhelming majority of contributors here are radicalized White males and the women who love them. In this environment, I can understand why IM2 or Asclepias could be taunted enough to reciprocate against the extreme anti-Black sentiment found in these forums. I have been just as vociferous and just as militant as they have at times. That doesn't make me a hater of ALL White people it just makes me a hater of a certain kind of White person. I do regret using pejoratives and other verbal defense mechanisms to counter some of the more viral racists on this board but I am unapologetic for doing so. If the board tolerates vile anti Black depictions and taunts by racists, who, BTW, have gotten good ratings from many Whites I thought were liberal. Some white respondents do condemn the blatant racists here, but not enough.

Seems to me that the left and right point of view is close to equally balanced here. Trolls on both sides of the spectrum constantly slinging mud at one another, hardly any real discussion and nobody ever admits to being wrong. Are the right leaning trolls any more "radicalized" than the left leaning ones? ...and if IM2 and Asclepias are justified in going around saying white people are genetically inferior and have never done anything good for the world, smell like wet dogs etc, then how can it be wrong for white people to punch back? News and entertainment media constantly demonize and belittle us, not to mention our own elected politicians. Trump was elected in large part due to white people being fed up with the double standard.

I guess we see things differently. The board is overwhelmingly RIGHT leaning and extreme racist banter flourishes here. I can't speak for my brothers IM2 and Asclepias but I will say I cannot fault them for fighting fire with fire. Black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts. They came here looking for intelligent titillating conversation. Instead, What they met when putting forth their experiences and histories was outright verbal race war.

White newcomers and those with more moderate views on race aren't aware of the context in which Blacks sometimes respond to insults about their entire race. All they see is a Black man spouting invectives about white people. They don't care that ShootSpeeders still uses the caricature of Obama and Michele as apes, or that most of the anti-Black propaganda fed by race based crime statistics and news media are flawed. It is interesting you think the White owned media demonizes white people. That statement is so ridiculous I fail to see the value of making it.

TO Radicalized Whiet males, every derogatory report about Blacks is all true and any Black person or advocate that voices doubt about any of it is a delusional racist. Obviously, Black posters aren't going to accept that view and will comment aggressively when they find it. I 'm sorry for those innocent whites and blacks caught up in the verbal war zone but I guess well will just have to write them off as collateral damage.

As for IM2 and Asclepias, I see them as intelligent Blacks who are simply fighting back against overwhelming odds. They don't have the luxury of separating the bad guys from the good. Trying to be diplomatic in the face of viral racism is not an option that works here. I know I've tried it. Yet I'm still convinced there are white people here who really want to have a civil discussion about topics that affect Blacks and whites alike. I'd much rather engage people like that than those who thrown statistical data at me that I have no control over nor faith in.

Recently I tried to appeal to common decency but your pal Asclepias reminded me that he thinks that white women and children in South Africa deserve to be raped and murdered for occupying "black land" and would like to see similar uprisings happen here in America. Is that what you call intelligent diplomacy? Was he serious or just trolling? I don't know.

Anyway, basically what I want you to understand is black people's problems aren't my fault and I am sick of being blamed for them.

Again, I can't speak for Asclepias any more than he can speak for me. We both are free thinkers so our opinions do not necessarily reflect the sentiments of all Black people in America or anywhere else although we do agree on most things including the controlling demeaning nature of whites when it comes to issues concerning social interactions between us and them. Even now you point to black people's problems as something you know something about. Do you really know what Black people's problems are or are you just relying on Fox News and non contextual statistics to do that for you?

You say you can't speak for Asclepias and IM2, but you seem to be doing so when you say that "black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts." I have no idea if Asclepias and IM2 came here with racial animus in their hearts. I don't even know if someone like Tank or Steve McGarrett came here with racial animus in their hearts. All anyone can really do is look at the racial animus, or lack thereof, in posts made by a person, and go from there.

In the case of IM2, since he began this thread, while I do think his posts often contain a pretty strong anti-white bias, I am still willing to discuss race and racial issues with him. For the more blatant and ridiculous racists on the board like a Steve McGarrett, I generally don't bother trying. That can certainly present an appearance of letting white racial animus slide while calling out black racial animus, but actually, it is the opposite in terms of sentiment: I don't think racists like Tank or McGarrett are worth my time.

There are some pretty blatant racists and bigots on USMB, and quite a few more of them are white than black or any other minority.

Of course, all of this is based on what people post; I have no idea who might just be a troll, or lying about their race, etc.

There is no anti white bias here montrovant. What happens with me is I am tired of reading white opinions about us that are false. Look at this tread for example. Not one white wanted to look at he issue if unwed births but from the perspective of blacks having a 70 prcent rate. Not that when we look at the number of overall unwed births that blacks had 25 prcent of them or that from the aspect of overall births babies born to black unwed women was 10.4 percent. Oh no, every thing says 70 percent. Here UM2 let me give you the link. But every site doesn't say that's only the rate for overall black births not al births. And why is that? That's why I post because I am tired of reading opinions from whites about black culture and morals based on this bullshit that does not cover all the facts.

That may be so, but based on the posts of yours I have read here, you definitely harbor some anti-white bias. I'm pretty sure you've been pretty explicit about that at times.

The reason people bring up the 72% rate is because the rates are important. For example, take a look at the rate of unwed births for American Indians or Alaskan Natives, at 65.7%. Assuming one considers unwed births to be meaningful, that would be a significant number. If, on the other hand, one only looked at total numbers, only 29,156 out of almost 4 million total births were to unwed American Indians or Alaskan Natives. From that perspective, it might seem that the number is insignificant. If one is looking to see if there is a trend among American Indians or Alaskan Natives when it comes to unwed births, looking at the totals and not the rates makes no sense.

Of course, in this context, one has to assume that unwed births are indicative of something. I don't think that has been particularly established.

However, you are the one who created this thread. You brought up the CDC statistics. You really seemed to create a strawman and argue against it in the OP: that whites have claimed that more blacks have unwed babies than whites. I don't know where you've seen such a claim, who you are arguing against. As I said before, if the point of this thread was merely to show that statistic, it's a very odd thread. And you have, in the past, dismissed rates of particular activities as somehow unimportant.

Again, if you are just trying to argue that more whites in total have unwed babies than blacks, you would have done well to explain who you were directing this to.

 

[impuretrash]

That may be so, but based on the posts of yours I have read here, you definitely harbor some anti-white bias. I'm pretty sure you've been pretty explicit about that at times.

The reason people bring up the 72% rate is because the rates are important. For example, take a look at the rate of unwed births for American Indians or Alaskan Natives, at 65.7%. Assuming one considers unwed births to be meaningful, that would be a significant number. If, on the other hand, one only looked at total numbers, only 29,156 out of almost 4 million total births were to unwed American Indians or Alaskan Natives. From that perspective, it might seem that the number is insignificant. If one is looking to see if there is a trend among American Indians or Alaskan Natives when it comes to unwed births, looking at the totals and not the rates makes no sense.

Of course, in this context, one has to assume that unwed births are indicative of something. I don't think that has been particularly established.

However, you are the one who created this thread. You brought up the CDC statistics. You really seemed to create a strawman and argue against it in the OP: that whites have claimed that more blacks have unwed babies than whites. I don't know where you've seen such a claim, who you are arguing against. As I said before, if the point of this thread was merely to show that statistic, it's a very odd thread. And you have, in the past, dismissed rates of particular activities as somehow unimportant.

Again, if you are just trying to argue that more whites in total have unwed babies than blacks, you would have done well to explain who you were directing this to.

You are wasting your time. He's immune to logic.

 

[IM2]

Are you saying the larger number of white crimes is diminished by proportionality? Usually critics of the Black community see those FBI stats showing considerable White criminality as an afterthought not worthy of debate. But the uninformed linking of so-called trends may be more of a societal problem than you realize. It is especially onerous to the majority of Blacks who are trying to do the right thing. Assumptions such as yours lead to discrimination and marginalization of an entire people based on statistical innuendo and misunderstandings by millions of white people who have never had a black friend or associate.

I understand that the ugly truth about black crime rates is a bitter pill to swallow, but it doesn't make it any less true. 13% of the population commits around 50% of the total homicides. Less than 13% if you factor in the male to female ratio. Black males are statistically more likely to commit murder than white males, by a huge margin. And that's not even factoring in all of the other crimes like robbery and assault all of which hover around 50% or higher among the black community. Sorry if it offends you, but it's true.

Im skeptical of crime statistics generated unilaterally by Whites to demonize which are ONLY used to demonize the entire Back population. I don't see the wisdom in any Black person taking those derogatory statistics at face value just because their enemies say they are true. Some whites are refusing to drink the statistical kool-aid too. For instance Tim Wise, noted race relations gets to the nitty gritty of race based statistics:

Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

"* Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;

* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another). Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;

* No more than 0.7 percent (seven-tenths of one percent) of African Americans will commit a violent crime against a white person in a given year, and fewer than 0.3 (three-tenths of one percent) of whites will be victimized by a black person in a given year;

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American."
Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

US MB is decidedly a sounding board for a number of political viewpoints. But the overwhelming majority of contributors here are radicalized White males and the women who love them. In this environment, I can understand why IM2 or Asclepias could be taunted enough to reciprocate against the extreme anti-Black sentiment found in these forums. I have been just as vociferous and just as militant as they have at times. That doesn't make me a hater of ALL White people it just makes me a hater of a certain kind of White person. I do regret using pejoratives and other verbal defense mechanisms to counter some of the more viral racists on this board but I am unapologetic for doing so. If the board tolerates vile anti Black depictions and taunts by racists, who, BTW, have gotten good ratings from many Whites I thought were liberal. Some white respondents do condemn the blatant racists here, but not enough.

Seems to me that the left and right point of view is close to equally balanced here. Trolls on both sides of the spectrum constantly slinging mud at one another, hardly any real discussion and nobody ever admits to being wrong. Are the right leaning trolls any more "radicalized" than the left leaning ones? ...and if IM2 and Asclepias are justified in going around saying white people are genetically inferior and have never done anything good for the world, smell like wet dogs etc, then how can it be wrong for white people to punch back? News and entertainment media constantly demonize and belittle us, not to mention our own elected politicians. Trump was elected in large part due to white people being fed up with the double standard.

I guess we see things differently. The board is overwhelmingly RIGHT leaning and extreme racist banter flourishes here. I can't speak for my brothers IM2 and Asclepias but I will say I cannot fault them for fighting fire with fire. Black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts. They came here looking for intelligent titillating conversation. Instead, What they met when putting forth their experiences and histories was outright verbal race war.

White newcomers and those with more moderate views on race aren't aware of the context in which Blacks sometimes respond to insults about their entire race. All they see is a Black man spouting invectives about white people. They don't care that ShootSpeeders still uses the caricature of Obama and Michele as apes, or that most of the anti-Black propaganda fed by race based crime statistics and news media are flawed. It is interesting you think the White owned media demonizes white people. That statement is so ridiculous I fail to see the value of making it.

TO Radicalized Whiet males, every derogatory report about Blacks is all true and any Black person or advocate that voices doubt about any of it is a delusional racist. Obviously, Black posters aren't going to accept that view and will comment aggressively when they find it. I 'm sorry for those innocent whites and blacks caught up in the verbal war zone but I guess well will just have to write them off as collateral damage.

As for IM2 and Asclepias, I see them as intelligent Blacks who are simply fighting back against overwhelming odds. They don't have the luxury of separating the bad guys from the good. Trying to be diplomatic in the face of viral racism is not an option that works here. I know I've tried it. Yet I'm still convinced there are white people here who really want to have a civil discussion about topics that affect Blacks and whites alike. I'd much rather engage people like that than those who thrown statistical data at me that I have no control over nor faith in.

Recently I tried to appeal to common decency but your pal Asclepias reminded me that he thinks that white women and children in South Africa deserve to be raped and murdered for occupying "black land" and would like to see similar uprisings happen here in America. Is that what you call intelligent diplomacy? Was he serious or just trolling? I don't know.

Anyway, basically what I want you to understand is black people's problems aren't my fault and I am sick of being blamed for them.

Again, I can't speak for Asclepias any more than he can speak for me. We both are free thinkers so our opinions do not necessarily reflect the sentiments of all Black people in America or anywhere else although we do agree on most things including the controlling demeaning nature of whites when it comes to issues concerning social interactions between us and them. Even now you point to black people's problems as something you know something about. Do you really know what Black people's problems are or are you just relying on Fox News and non contextual statistics to do that for you?

You say you can't speak for Asclepias and IM2, but you seem to be doing so when you say that "black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts." I have no idea if Asclepias and IM2 came here with racial animus in their hearts. I don't even know if someone like Tank or Steve McGarrett came here with racial animus in their hearts. All anyone can really do is look at the racial animus, or lack thereof, in posts made by a person, and go from there.

In the case of IM2, since he began this thread, while I do think his posts often contain a pretty strong anti-white bias, I am still willing to discuss race and racial issues with him. For the more blatant and ridiculous racists on the board like a Steve McGarrett, I generally don't bother trying. That can certainly present an appearance of letting white racial animus slide while calling out black racial animus, but actually, it is the opposite in terms of sentiment: I don't think racists like Tank or McGarrett are worth my time.

There are some pretty blatant racists and bigots on USMB, and quite a few more of them are white than black or any other minority.

Of course, all of this is based on what people post; I have no idea who might just be a troll, or lying about their race, etc.

There is no anti white bias here montrovant. What happens with me is I am tired of reading white opinions about us that are false. Look at this tread for example. Not one white wanted to look at he issue if unwed births but from the perspective of blacks having a 70 prcent rate. Not that when we look at the number of overall unwed births that blacks had 25 prcent of them or that from the aspect of overall births babies born to black unwed women was 10.4 percent. Oh no, every thing says 70 percent. Here UM2 let me give you the link. But every site doesn't say that's only the rate for overall black births not al births. And why is that? That's why I post because I am tired of reading opinions from whites about black culture and morals based on this bullshit that does not cover all the facts.

That may be so, but based on the posts of yours I have read here, you definitely harbor some anti-white bias. I'm pretty sure you've been pretty explicit about that at times.

The reason people bring up the 72% rate is because the rates are important. For example, take a look at the rate of unwed births for American Indians or Alaskan Natives, at 65.7%. Assuming one considers unwed births to be meaningful, that would be a significant number. If, on the other hand, one only looked at total numbers, only 29,156 out of almost 4 million total births were to unwed American Indians or Alaskan Natives. From that perspective, it might seem that the number is insignificant. If one is looking to see if there is a trend among American Indians or Alaskan Natives when it comes to unwed births, looking at the totals and not the rates makes no sense.

Of course, in this context, one has to assume that unwed births are indicative of something. I don't think that has been particularly established.

However, you are the one who created this thread. You brought up the CDC statistics. You really seemed to create a strawman and argue against it in the OP: that whites have claimed that more blacks have unwed babies than whites. I don't know where you've seen such a claim, who you are arguing against. As I said before, if the point of this thread was merely to show that statistic, it's a very odd thread. And you have, in the past, dismissed rates of particular activities as somehow unimportant.

Again, if you are just trying to argue that more whites in total have unwed babies than blacks, you would have done well to explain who you were directing this to.

I don't have any anti white bias. I have mentioned n many occasions that not all whites are racist. So lets just drop his silly white claim of anti white bias because someone dares mention the racism here as well as pointing out how white racist law and policy in America has befitted whites. The only strawman is the use of rates and talking about he 72 percent rate of unwed mothers in the black community. The same thing goes for using it for American Indians and Alaska natives.

What makes rates more important than totals Montrovant? Because whites here say it is? And yes I've read far too many posts in these threads where whites have talked stupid about black unwed births, black men running away from their ids and all hat kind of crap.

For example married back women have simply decided they would have fewer or no kids. So if blacks had 100 babies, and 30 were born to marred women, the rate of unwed births in the black community is 70 percent. But there were only 100 kids born. So then why is that supposed to be such a big problem? Blacks had less than 600,000 out of almost 4 million babies born in the year 2015, and whites had more than 621,000 unwed births in this same year. Whites had more unwed births than we had births but we are here talking about the importance of a 72 percent rate. Why? Who decided this was the most important thing to consider Montrovant? Why are other rates ignored by people here but only these are the rates that matter?

Black women decided to reduce or stop having children. The rate if unwed births reduced but not as much as that among marred black women. This never gets mentioned, but the 72 percent does. Why is that Montrovant?

And let me tell you something about your bitter pill. You talk about 2 crimes but it's like this:

Whites commit more rapes, aggravated assaults, burglaries, vandalism, arson, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, crimes against property, violent crime, forgery, counterfeiting, buying, receiving selling and possessing stolen property, illegal weapons possession, prostitution, commercialized vice, sex offenses, drug violations, drunk driving, offenses involving family and children, driving under the influence, liquor laws, drunkenness, vagrancy, curfew and loitering, and all other offenses excluding traffic, disorderly conduct and suspicion.

That is the bitter pill and it's the pill whites here do not want to swallow.