The fallacy of black unwed births

[JQPublic1]

Are you saying the larger number of white crimes is diminished by proportionality? Usually critics of the Black community see those FBI stats showing considerable White criminality as an afterthought not worthy of debate. But the uninformed linking of so-called trends may be more of a societal problem than you realize. It is especially onerous to the majority of Blacks who are trying to do the right thing. Assumptions such as yours lead to discrimination and marginalization of an entire people based on statistical innuendo and misunderstandings by millions of white people who have never had a black friend or associate.

I understand that the ugly truth about black crime rates is a bitter pill to swallow, but it doesn't make it any less true. 13% of the population commits around 50% of the total homicides. Less than 13% if you factor in the male to female ratio. Black males are statistically more likely to commit murder than white males, by a huge margin. And that's not even factoring in all of the other crimes like robbery and assault all of which hover around 50% or higher among the black community. Sorry if it offends you, but it's true.

Im skeptical of crime statistics generated unilaterally by Whites to demonize which are ONLY used to demonize the entire Back population. I don't see the wisdom in any Black person taking those derogatory statistics at face value just because their enemies say they are true. Some whites are refusing to drink the statistical kool-aid too. For instance Tim Wise, noted race relations gets to the nitty gritty of race based statistics:

Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

"* Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;

* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another). Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;

* No more than 0.7 percent (seven-tenths of one percent) of African Americans will commit a violent crime against a white person in a given year, and fewer than 0.3 (three-tenths of one percent) of whites will be victimized by a black person in a given year;

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American."
Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

US MB is decidedly a sounding board for a number of political viewpoints. But the overwhelming majority of contributors here are radicalized White males and the women who love them. In this environment, I can understand why IM2 or Asclepias could be taunted enough to reciprocate against the extreme anti-Black sentiment found in these forums. I have been just as vociferous and just as militant as they have at times. That doesn't make me a hater of ALL White people it just makes me a hater of a certain kind of White person. I do regret using pejoratives and other verbal defense mechanisms to counter some of the more viral racists on this board but I am unapologetic for doing so. If the board tolerates vile anti Black depictions and taunts by racists, who, BTW, have gotten good ratings from many Whites I thought were liberal. Some white respondents do condemn the blatant racists here, but not enough.

Seems to me that the left and right point of view is close to equally balanced here. Trolls on both sides of the spectrum constantly slinging mud at one another, hardly any real discussion and nobody ever admits to being wrong. Are the right leaning trolls any more "radicalized" than the left leaning ones? ...and if IM2 and Asclepias are justified in going around saying white people are genetically inferior and have never done anything good for the world, smell like wet dogs etc, then how can it be wrong for white people to punch back? News and entertainment media constantly demonize and belittle us, not to mention our own elected politicians. Trump was elected in large part due to white people being fed up with the double standard.

I guess we see things differently. The board is overwhelmingly RIGHT leaning and extreme racist banter flourishes here. I can't speak for my brothers IM2 and Asclepias but I will say I cannot fault them for fighting fire with fire. Black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts. They came here looking for intelligent titillating conversation. Instead, What they met when putting forth their experiences and histories was outright verbal race war.

White newcomers and those with more moderate views on race aren't aware of the context in which Blacks sometimes respond to insults about their entire race. All they see is a Black man spouting invectives about white people. They don't care that ShootSpeeders still uses the caricature of Obama and Michele as apes, or that most of the anti-Black propaganda fed by race based crime statistics and news media are flawed. It is interesting you think the White owned media demonizes white people. That statement is so ridiculous I fail to see the value of making it.

TO Radicalized Whiet males, every derogatory report about Blacks is all true and any Black person or advocate that voices doubt about any of it is a delusional racist. Obviously, Black posters aren't going to accept that view and will comment aggressively when they find it. I 'm sorry for those innocent whites and blacks caught up in the verbal war zone but I guess well will just have to write them off as collateral damage.

As for IM2 and Asclepias, I see them as intelligent Blacks who are simply fighting back against overwhelming odds. They don't have the luxury of separating the bad guys from the good. Trying to be diplomatic in the face of viral racism is not an option that works here. I know I've tried it. Yet I'm still convinced there are white people here who really want to have a civil discussion about topics that affect Blacks and whites alike. I'd much rather engage people like that than those who thrown statistical data at me that I have no control over nor faith in.

Recently I tried to appeal to common decency but your pal Asclepias reminded me that he thinks that white women and children in South Africa deserve to be raped and murdered for occupying "black land" and would like to see similar uprisings happen here in America. Is that what you call intelligent diplomacy? Was he serious or just trolling? I don't know.

Anyway, basically what I want you to understand is black people's problems aren't my fault and I am sick of being blamed for them.

Again, I can't speak for Asclepias any more than he can speak for me. We both are free thinkers so our opinions do not necessarily reflect the sentiments of all Black people in America or anywhere else although we do agree on most things including the controlling demeaning nature of whites when it comes to issues concerning social interactions between us and them. Even now you point to black people's problems as something you know something about. Do you really know what Black people's problems are or are you just relying on Fox News and non contextual statistics to do that for you?

You say you can't speak for Asclepias and IM2, but you seem to be doing so when you say that "black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts." I have no idea if Asclepias and IM2 came here with racial animus in their hearts. I don't even know if someone like Tank or Steve McGarrett came here with racial animus in their hearts. All anyone can really do is look at the racial animus, or lack thereof, in posts made by a person, and go from there.

In the case of IM2, since he began this thread, while I do think his posts often contain a pretty strong anti-white bias, I am still willing to discuss race and racial issues with him. For the more blatant and ridiculous racists on the board like a Steve McGarrett, I generally don't bother trying. That can certainly present an appearance of letting white racial animus slide while calling out black racial animus, but actually, it is the opposite in terms of sentiment: I don't think racists like Tank or McGarrett are worth my time.

There are some pretty blatant racists and bigots on USMB, and quite a few more of them are white than black or any other minority.

Of course, all of this is based on what people post; I have no idea who might just be a troll, or lying about their race, etc.

I'm not speaking for Asclepias of IM2 directly when I make a statement I believe to be true concerning Black people in general who wander onto this board. Most are going to inadvertently stumble across the proliferation of racist posts here and become defensive as a result. That's just my opinion based on my own experiences here. In regards to those whites who are adamant about calling themselves conservatives, certain among them emerge to makes me feel uncomfortably apprehensive. Ensconced within the American conservative camp are some of the most virulent white racists on the planet, and the Republicans welcome them with open arms. If you are part of that kind of radical cabal, I can't trust you, even if you appear to be OK. Some ostensibly"good" Germans joined the NAZI Party too. And they looked the other way during the pogroms. They didn't see the smoke rising from the ovens and the ash falling on their shoulders. Even as their sons and daughters were carrying out the Final Solution , they claimed not to know about the horrors taking place in their concentration camps.

WhenI see you use the racial crime statistics as a talking point here, I put you in the same category as Steve McGarrett or Shoot Speeders. Why? Because the guys who implemented the program were/are probably just as racist as any racist on these boards; and you the data just as often as the resident racists ShootSpeeders and Meathead do That data doesn't reflect the lives of any Blacks I know and associate with and I doubt those statistics pertain to Asclepias of Im2. So why throw them in our faces as if they do? Why do I have to hear the lie, based on statistics, that I am more likely to be a killer than you are? I am tired of having to wear that albatross around my neck. I doubt any of the Blacks that frequent these boards have any thing to do with crime in the Black community but you seem to relish throwing black criminality in our faces. Frankly that is the only function I see race based statistics being used for.

Based on statistics, you are far, far more likely to murder; assuming you are a black male. It's a given and while you might not be directly responsible for that, it is an obvious fact.

This is not a safe space where political correctness rules. I suggest you seek one out.

That's an obvious lie. I am no more likely to be a murderer than the Pope is. Thats the problem with race based statistics. They can be used to produce idiots like you who actually believe any given black male is more likely to be a murderer than a white man is? You have just made my case. race based statistics ought to be canned and outlawed as being a clear and present danger to the well being of innocent Backs.

 

[JQPublic1]

CDC: 40%+ of U.S. Babies Born to Unmarried Women for 8th Straight Year

Of the 3,977,745 babies born in the United States of America in 2015, 1,600,208 of them—or 40.2 percent--were born to unmarried mothers, according to data released this month by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

"CDC: 40%+ of U.S. Babies Born to Unmarried Women for 8th Straight Year"

In 2015 there were just over 415,000 babies born to unwed black moms. There were 3,977,745 babies born over all. So the percentage of unwed black babies born as a percentage of all babies was approximately 10,4 percent. Blacks had just over 500,000 babies total. Whites had over 1.9 million total and over 600,000 babies born to unwed moms or about 16 percent of all unwed births as a percentage of all births.

Table I–4. Births to unmarried women, by race and Hispanic origin of mother: United States, each state and territory, 2015, National Vital Statistics Reports, Volume 66, Number 1 ... - CDC

The reality of this information shows that whites actually had more unwed children than blacks had children. In 2015 blacks had just over 500,000 children total. Whites had over 620,000 unwed births. Now I'm sure the mathematical "geniuses" around here will try talking their usual trash, but the facts are as they are. The unwed birth percentage of blacks as opposed to the total number of births was just over 10 percent. By both number and percentage whites had more unwed births. Now you can argue the usual dumb white supremacist argument based only on the number of total black babies born and back babies born out of wedlock, but that paints a false picture and that's the picture whites gave been painting for 400 years.

Your own numbers there say that over 80% of blacks were born out of wedlock.
80%!

'And many other sources show place the figure at 70% or 72%. That 80% figure should tell us use the data with caution because even the experts can't agree.

I can attest from where I live that the vast majority of black children are being raised in unmarried homes.

You can't attest that because statistcs prove it isn't true.

The stats and my mostly black locale jibe.
Most black homes are out of wedlock.

:LOL: So what if the couple isn't married as long as they are there for the kids. I suggest you read my post on the myth of the absent Black father before you continue to spread your virus of misinformation.

 

[JQPublic1]

CDC: 40%+ of U.S. Babies Born to Unmarried Women for 8th Straight Year

Of the 3,977,745 babies born in the United States of America in 2015, 1,600,208 of them—or 40.2 percent--were born to unmarried mothers, according to data released this month by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

"CDC: 40%+ of U.S. Babies Born to Unmarried Women for 8th Straight Year"

In 2015 there were just over 415,000 babies born to unwed black moms. There were 3,977,745 babies born over all. So the percentage of unwed black babies born as a percentage of all babies was approximately 10,4 percent. Blacks had just over 500,000 babies total. Whites had over 1.9 million total and over 600,000 babies born to unwed moms or about 16 percent of all unwed births as a percentage of all births.

Table I–4. Births to unmarried women, by race and Hispanic origin of mother: United States, each state and territory, 2015, National Vital Statistics Reports, Volume 66, Number 1 ... - CDC

The reality of this information shows that whites actually had more unwed children than blacks had children. In 2015 blacks had just over 500,000 children total. Whites had over 620,000 unwed births. Now I'm sure the mathematical "geniuses" around here will try talking their usual trash, but the facts are as they are. The unwed birth percentage of blacks as opposed to the total number of births was just over 10 percent. By both number and percentage whites had more unwed births. Now you can argue the usual dumb white supremacist argument based only on the number of total black babies born and back babies born out of wedlock, but that paints a false picture and that's the picture whites gave been painting for 400 years.

It proves that of all births to unwed women, blacks had 10%. It belies the constant racist contention that single black women are having a huge amount of children every year and thus are immoral and dependent on the welfare system. Racists lie about everything they can to support their racist perspective: this is a big lie of their exposed.

You're twisting the numbers. It's not about a percentage against the general population. It's about the demographic.
Blacks self segregate so their highly disproportionate unwed-home circumstance impacts their segregated community.
80% is a disgrace and a crisis.

What is the crisis if the couples are cohabiting. Why is marriage necessary if couples with kids stay together as a family. And many stay together longer than a lot of married White couples do.

 

[Meathead]

I understand that the ugly truth about black crime rates is a bitter pill to swallow, but it doesn't make it any less true. 13% of the population commits around 50% of the total homicides. Less than 13% if you factor in the male to female ratio. Black males are statistically more likely to commit murder than white males, by a huge margin. And that's not even factoring in all of the other crimes like robbery and assault all of which hover around 50% or higher among the black community. Sorry if it offends you, but it's true.

Im skeptical of crime statistics generated unilaterally by Whites to demonize which are ONLY used to demonize the entire Back population. I don't see the wisdom in any Black person taking those derogatory statistics at face value just because their enemies say they are true. Some whites are refusing to drink the statistical kool-aid too. For instance Tim Wise, noted race relations gets to the nitty gritty of race based statistics:

Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

"* Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;

* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another). Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;

* No more than 0.7 percent (seven-tenths of one percent) of African Americans will commit a violent crime against a white person in a given year, and fewer than 0.3 (three-tenths of one percent) of whites will be victimized by a black person in a given year;

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American."
Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

US MB is decidedly a sounding board for a number of political viewpoints. But the overwhelming majority of contributors here are radicalized White males and the women who love them. In this environment, I can understand why IM2 or Asclepias could be taunted enough to reciprocate against the extreme anti-Black sentiment found in these forums. I have been just as vociferous and just as militant as they have at times. That doesn't make me a hater of ALL White people it just makes me a hater of a certain kind of White person. I do regret using pejoratives and other verbal defense mechanisms to counter some of the more viral racists on this board but I am unapologetic for doing so. If the board tolerates vile anti Black depictions and taunts by racists, who, BTW, have gotten good ratings from many Whites I thought were liberal. Some white respondents do condemn the blatant racists here, but not enough.

Seems to me that the left and right point of view is close to equally balanced here. Trolls on both sides of the spectrum constantly slinging mud at one another, hardly any real discussion and nobody ever admits to being wrong. Are the right leaning trolls any more "radicalized" than the left leaning ones? ...and if IM2 and Asclepias are justified in going around saying white people are genetically inferior and have never done anything good for the world, smell like wet dogs etc, then how can it be wrong for white people to punch back? News and entertainment media constantly demonize and belittle us, not to mention our own elected politicians. Trump was elected in large part due to white people being fed up with the double standard.

I guess we see things differently. The board is overwhelmingly RIGHT leaning and extreme racist banter flourishes here. I can't speak for my brothers IM2 and Asclepias but I will say I cannot fault them for fighting fire with fire. Black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts. They came here looking for intelligent titillating conversation. Instead, What they met when putting forth their experiences and histories was outright verbal race war.

White newcomers and those with more moderate views on race aren't aware of the context in which Blacks sometimes respond to insults about their entire race. All they see is a Black man spouting invectives about white people. They don't care that ShootSpeeders still uses the caricature of Obama and Michele as apes, or that most of the anti-Black propaganda fed by race based crime statistics and news media are flawed. It is interesting you think the White owned media demonizes white people. That statement is so ridiculous I fail to see the value of making it.

TO Radicalized Whiet males, every derogatory report about Blacks is all true and any Black person or advocate that voices doubt about any of it is a delusional racist. Obviously, Black posters aren't going to accept that view and will comment aggressively when they find it. I 'm sorry for those innocent whites and blacks caught up in the verbal war zone but I guess well will just have to write them off as collateral damage.

As for IM2 and Asclepias, I see them as intelligent Blacks who are simply fighting back against overwhelming odds. They don't have the luxury of separating the bad guys from the good. Trying to be diplomatic in the face of viral racism is not an option that works here. I know I've tried it. Yet I'm still convinced there are white people here who really want to have a civil discussion about topics that affect Blacks and whites alike. I'd much rather engage people like that than those who thrown statistical data at me that I have no control over nor faith in.

Recently I tried to appeal to common decency but your pal Asclepias reminded me that he thinks that white women and children in South Africa deserve to be raped and murdered for occupying "black land" and would like to see similar uprisings happen here in America. Is that what you call intelligent diplomacy? Was he serious or just trolling? I don't know.

Anyway, basically what I want you to understand is black people's problems aren't my fault and I am sick of being blamed for them.

Again, I can't speak for Asclepias any more than he can speak for me. We both are free thinkers so our opinions do not necessarily reflect the sentiments of all Black people in America or anywhere else although we do agree on most things including the controlling demeaning nature of whites when it comes to issues concerning social interactions between us and them. Even now you point to black people's problems as something you know something about. Do you really know what Black people's problems are or are you just relying on Fox News and non contextual statistics to do that for you?

You say you can't speak for Asclepias and IM2, but you seem to be doing so when you say that "black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts." I have no idea if Asclepias and IM2 came here with racial animus in their hearts. I don't even know if someone like Tank or Steve McGarrett came here with racial animus in their hearts. All anyone can really do is look at the racial animus, or lack thereof, in posts made by a person, and go from there.

In the case of IM2, since he began this thread, while I do think his posts often contain a pretty strong anti-white bias, I am still willing to discuss race and racial issues with him. For the more blatant and ridiculous racists on the board like a Steve McGarrett, I generally don't bother trying. That can certainly present an appearance of letting white racial animus slide while calling out black racial animus, but actually, it is the opposite in terms of sentiment: I don't think racists like Tank or McGarrett are worth my time.

There are some pretty blatant racists and bigots on USMB, and quite a few more of them are white than black or any other minority.

Of course, all of this is based on what people post; I have no idea who might just be a troll, or lying about their race, etc.

I'm not speaking for Asclepias of IM2 directly when I make a statement I believe to be true concerning Black people in general who wander onto this board. Most are going to inadvertently stumble across the proliferation of racist posts here and become defensive as a result. That's just my opinion based on my own experiences here. In regards to those whites who are adamant about calling themselves conservatives, certain among them emerge to makes me feel uncomfortably apprehensive. Ensconced within the American conservative camp are some of the most virulent white racists on the planet, and the Republicans welcome them with open arms. If you are part of that kind of radical cabal, I can't trust you, even if you appear to be OK. Some ostensibly"good" Germans joined the NAZI Party too. And they looked the other way during the pogroms. They didn't see the smoke rising from the ovens and the ash falling on their shoulders. Even as their sons and daughters were carrying out the Final Solution , they claimed not to know about the horrors taking place in their concentration camps.

WhenI see you use the racial crime statistics as a talking point here, I put you in the same category as Steve McGarrett or Shoot Speeders. Why? Because the guys who implemented the program were/are probably just as racist as any racist on these boards; and you the data just as often as the resident racists ShootSpeeders and Meathead do That data doesn't reflect the lives of any Blacks I know and associate with and I doubt those statistics pertain to Asclepias of Im2. So why throw them in our faces as if they do? Why do I have to hear the lie, based on statistics, that I am more likely to be a killer than you are? I am tired of having to wear that albatross around my neck. I doubt any of the Blacks that frequent these boards have any thing to do with crime in the Black community but you seem to relish throwing black criminality in our faces. Frankly that is the only function I see race based statistics being used for.

Based on statistics, you are far, far more likely to murder; assuming you are a black male. It's a given and while you might not be directly responsible for that, it is an obvious fact.

This is not a safe space where political correctness rules. I suggest you seek one out.

That's an obvious lie. I am no more likely to be a murderer than the Pope is. Thats the problem with race based statistics. They can be used to produce idiots like you who actually believe any given black male is more likely to be a murderer than a white man is? You have just made my case. race based statistics ought to be canned and outlawed as being a clear and present danger to the well being of innocent Backs.

You think burying facts is going to save innocent black lives? Blacks in the US are killing each other at Central American rates. Being oblivious to that problem by outlawing race-based statistics is going to stop that?!

 

[JQPublic1]

Im skeptical of crime statistics generated unilaterally by Whites to demonize which are ONLY used to demonize the entire Back population. I don't see the wisdom in any Black person taking those derogatory statistics at face value just because their enemies say they are true. Some whites are refusing to drink the statistical kool-aid too. For instance Tim Wise, noted race relations gets to the nitty gritty of race based statistics:

Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

"* Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;

* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another). Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;

* No more than 0.7 percent (seven-tenths of one percent) of African Americans will commit a violent crime against a white person in a given year, and fewer than 0.3 (three-tenths of one percent) of whites will be victimized by a black person in a given year;

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American."
Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data



I guess we see things differently. The board is overwhelmingly RIGHT leaning and extreme racist banter flourishes here. I can't speak for my brothers IM2 and Asclepias but I will say I cannot fault them for fighting fire with fire. Black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts. They came here looking for intelligent titillating conversation. Instead, What they met when putting forth their experiences and histories was outright verbal race war.

White newcomers and those with more moderate views on race aren't aware of the context in which Blacks sometimes respond to insults about their entire race. All they see is a Black man spouting invectives about white people. They don't care that ShootSpeeders still uses the caricature of Obama and Michele as apes, or that most of the anti-Black propaganda fed by race based crime statistics and news media are flawed. It is interesting you think the White owned media demonizes white people. That statement is so ridiculous I fail to see the value of making it.

TO Radicalized Whiet males, every derogatory report about Blacks is all true and any Black person or advocate that voices doubt about any of it is a delusional racist. Obviously, Black posters aren't going to accept that view and will comment aggressively when they find it. I 'm sorry for those innocent whites and blacks caught up in the verbal war zone but I guess well will just have to write them off as collateral damage.

Again, I can't speak for Asclepias any more than he can speak for me. We both are free thinkers so our opinions do not necessarily reflect the sentiments of all Black people in America or anywhere else although we do agree on most things including the controlling demeaning nature of whites when it comes to issues concerning social interactions between us and them. Even now you point to black people's problems as something you know something about. Do you really know what Black people's problems are or are you just relying on Fox News and non contextual statistics to do that for you?

You say you can't speak for Asclepias and IM2, but you seem to be doing so when you say that "black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts." I have no idea if Asclepias and IM2 came here with racial animus in their hearts. I don't even know if someone like Tank or Steve McGarrett came here with racial animus in their hearts. All anyone can really do is look at the racial animus, or lack thereof, in posts made by a person, and go from there.

In the case of IM2, since he began this thread, while I do think his posts often contain a pretty strong anti-white bias, I am still willing to discuss race and racial issues with him. For the more blatant and ridiculous racists on the board like a Steve McGarrett, I generally don't bother trying. That can certainly present an appearance of letting white racial animus slide while calling out black racial animus, but actually, it is the opposite in terms of sentiment: I don't think racists like Tank or McGarrett are worth my time.

There are some pretty blatant racists and bigots on USMB, and quite a few more of them are white than black or any other minority.

Of course, all of this is based on what people post; I have no idea who might just be a troll, or lying about their race, etc.

I'm not speaking for Asclepias of IM2 directly when I make a statement I believe to be true concerning Black people in general who wander onto this board. Most are going to inadvertently stumble across the proliferation of racist posts here and become defensive as a result. That's just my opinion based on my own experiences here. In regards to those whites who are adamant about calling themselves conservatives, certain among them emerge to makes me feel uncomfortably apprehensive. Ensconced within the American conservative camp are some of the most virulent white racists on the planet, and the Republicans welcome them with open arms. If you are part of that kind of radical cabal, I can't trust you, even if you appear to be OK. Some ostensibly"good" Germans joined the NAZI Party too. And they looked the other way during the pogroms. They didn't see the smoke rising from the ovens and the ash falling on their shoulders. Even as their sons and daughters were carrying out the Final Solution , they claimed not to know about the horrors taking place in their concentration camps.

WhenI see you use the racial crime statistics as a talking point here, I put you in the same category as Steve McGarrett or Shoot Speeders. Why? Because the guys who implemented the program were/are probably just as racist as any racist on these boards; and you the data just as often as the resident racists ShootSpeeders and Meathead do That data doesn't reflect the lives of any Blacks I know and associate with and I doubt those statistics pertain to Asclepias of Im2. So why throw them in our faces as if they do? Why do I have to hear the lie, based on statistics, that I am more likely to be a killer than you are? I am tired of having to wear that albatross around my neck. I doubt any of the Blacks that frequent these boards have any thing to do with crime in the Black community but you seem to relish throwing black criminality in our faces. Frankly that is the only function I see race based statistics being used for.

Based on statistics, you are far, far more likely to murder; assuming you are a black male. It's a given and while you might not be directly responsible for that, it is an obvious fact.

This is not a safe space where political correctness rules. I suggest you seek one out.

That's an obvious lie. I am no more likely to be a murderer than the Pope is. Thats the problem with race based statistics. They can be used to produce idiots like you who actually believe any given black male is more likely to be a murderer than a white man is? You have just made my case. race based statistics ought to be canned and outlawed as being a clear and present danger to the well being of innocent Backs.

You think burying facts is going to save innocent black lives? Blacks in the US are killing each other at Central American rates. Being oblivious to that problem by outlawing race-based statistics is going to stop that?!

well Blacks haven't killed each other off in this country after 40 years of reported shooting sprees. there are still plenty left to irk your bigoted arse.

 

[Meathead]

You say you can't speak for Asclepias and IM2, but you seem to be doing so when you say that "black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts." I have no idea if Asclepias and IM2 came here with racial animus in their hearts. I don't even know if someone like Tank or Steve McGarrett came here with racial animus in their hearts. All anyone can really do is look at the racial animus, or lack thereof, in posts made by a person, and go from there.

In the case of IM2, since he began this thread, while I do think his posts often contain a pretty strong anti-white bias, I am still willing to discuss race and racial issues with him. For the more blatant and ridiculous racists on the board like a Steve McGarrett, I generally don't bother trying. That can certainly present an appearance of letting white racial animus slide while calling out black racial animus, but actually, it is the opposite in terms of sentiment: I don't think racists like Tank or McGarrett are worth my time.

There are some pretty blatant racists and bigots on USMB, and quite a few more of them are white than black or any other minority.

Of course, all of this is based on what people post; I have no idea who might just be a troll, or lying about their race, etc.

I'm not speaking for Asclepias of IM2 directly when I make a statement I believe to be true concerning Black people in general who wander onto this board. Most are going to inadvertently stumble across the proliferation of racist posts here and become defensive as a result. That's just my opinion based on my own experiences here. In regards to those whites who are adamant about calling themselves conservatives, certain among them emerge to makes me feel uncomfortably apprehensive. Ensconced within the American conservative camp are some of the most virulent white racists on the planet, and the Republicans welcome them with open arms. If you are part of that kind of radical cabal, I can't trust you, even if you appear to be OK. Some ostensibly"good" Germans joined the NAZI Party too. And they looked the other way during the pogroms. They didn't see the smoke rising from the ovens and the ash falling on their shoulders. Even as their sons and daughters were carrying out the Final Solution , they claimed not to know about the horrors taking place in their concentration camps.

WhenI see you use the racial crime statistics as a talking point here, I put you in the same category as Steve McGarrett or Shoot Speeders. Why? Because the guys who implemented the program were/are probably just as racist as any racist on these boards; and you the data just as often as the resident racists ShootSpeeders and Meathead do That data doesn't reflect the lives of any Blacks I know and associate with and I doubt those statistics pertain to Asclepias of Im2. So why throw them in our faces as if they do? Why do I have to hear the lie, based on statistics, that I am more likely to be a killer than you are? I am tired of having to wear that albatross around my neck. I doubt any of the Blacks that frequent these boards have any thing to do with crime in the Black community but you seem to relish throwing black criminality in our faces. Frankly that is the only function I see race based statistics being used for.

Based on statistics, you are far, far more likely to murder; assuming you are a black male. It's a given and while you might not be directly responsible for that, it is an obvious fact.

This is not a safe space where political correctness rules. I suggest you seek one out.

That's an obvious lie. I am no more likely to be a murderer than the Pope is. Thats the problem with race based statistics. They can be used to produce idiots like you who actually believe any given black male is more likely to be a murderer than a white man is? You have just made my case. race based statistics ought to be canned and outlawed as being a clear and present danger to the well being of innocent Backs.

You think burying facts is going to save innocent black lives? Blacks in the US are killing each other at Central American rates. Being oblivious to that problem by outlawing race-based statistics is going to stop that?!

well Blacks haven't killed each other off in this country after 40 years of reported shooting sprees. there are still plenty left to irk your bigoted arse.

Blacks haven't killed each other off because of the spawn of unwed mothers, thus completing the circle and getting back on topic.

 

[JQPublic1]

Obviously the divorce rates would be even worse if
California, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Minnesota, and New Mexico had included their data.

Actually, it is not at all obvious that the divorce rates would be worse with that data. The total number of divorces would be higher, but so would the total number of marriages, so whether the rate would be higher or lower is a completely open question.

I just wanted to correct that little tidbit. Don't take it as a comment on the entirety of your post.

Well the divorce rate and marriage rates are independent of each other so I was correct.

 

[JQPublic1]

I'm not speaking for Asclepias of IM2 directly when I make a statement I believe to be true concerning Black people in general who wander onto this board. Most are going to inadvertently stumble across the proliferation of racist posts here and become defensive as a result. That's just my opinion based on my own experiences here. In regards to those whites who are adamant about calling themselves conservatives, certain among them emerge to makes me feel uncomfortably apprehensive. Ensconced within the American conservative camp are some of the most virulent white racists on the planet, and the Republicans welcome them with open arms. If you are part of that kind of radical cabal, I can't trust you, even if you appear to be OK. Some ostensibly"good" Germans joined the NAZI Party too. And they looked the other way during the pogroms. They didn't see the smoke rising from the ovens and the ash falling on their shoulders. Even as their sons and daughters were carrying out the Final Solution , they claimed not to know about the horrors taking place in their concentration camps.

WhenI see you use the racial crime statistics as a talking point here, I put you in the same category as Steve McGarrett or Shoot Speeders. Why? Because the guys who implemented the program were/are probably just as racist as any racist on these boards; and you the data just as often as the resident racists ShootSpeeders and Meathead do That data doesn't reflect the lives of any Blacks I know and associate with and I doubt those statistics pertain to Asclepias of Im2. So why throw them in our faces as if they do? Why do I have to hear the lie, based on statistics, that I am more likely to be a killer than you are? I am tired of having to wear that albatross around my neck. I doubt any of the Blacks that frequent these boards have any thing to do with crime in the Black community but you seem to relish throwing black criminality in our faces. Frankly that is the only function I see race based statistics being used for.

Based on statistics, you are far, far more likely to murder; assuming you are a black male. It's a given and while you might not be directly responsible for that, it is an obvious fact.

This is not a safe space where political correctness rules. I suggest you seek one out.

That's an obvious lie. I am no more likely to be a murderer than the Pope is. Thats the problem with race based statistics. They can be used to produce idiots like you who actually believe any given black male is more likely to be a murderer than a white man is? You have just made my case. race based statistics ought to be canned and outlawed as being a clear and present danger to the well being of innocent Backs.

You think burying facts is going to save innocent black lives? Blacks in the US are killing each other at Central American rates. Being oblivious to that problem by outlawing race-based statistics is going to stop that?!

well Blacks haven't killed each other off in this country after 40 years of reported shooting sprees. there are still plenty left to irk your bigoted arse.

Blacks haven't killed each other off because of the spawn of unwed mothers, thus completing the circle and getting back on topic.

Where is the study that verifies your nonsense? Or did you think of that all by yourself?

 

[IM2]

Im skeptical of crime statistics generated unilaterally by Whites to demonize which are ONLY used to demonize the entire Back population. I don't see the wisdom in any Black person taking those derogatory statistics at face value just because their enemies say they are true. Some whites are refusing to drink the statistical kool-aid too. For instance Tim Wise, noted race relations gets to the nitty gritty of race based statistics:

Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

"* Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;

* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another). Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;

* No more than 0.7 percent (seven-tenths of one percent) of African Americans will commit a violent crime against a white person in a given year, and fewer than 0.3 (three-tenths of one percent) of whites will be victimized by a black person in a given year;

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American."
Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data



I guess we see things differently. The board is overwhelmingly RIGHT leaning and extreme racist banter flourishes here. I can't speak for my brothers IM2 and Asclepias but I will say I cannot fault them for fighting fire with fire. Black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts. They came here looking for intelligent titillating conversation. Instead, What they met when putting forth their experiences and histories was outright verbal race war.

White newcomers and those with more moderate views on race aren't aware of the context in which Blacks sometimes respond to insults about their entire race. All they see is a Black man spouting invectives about white people. They don't care that ShootSpeeders still uses the caricature of Obama and Michele as apes, or that most of the anti-Black propaganda fed by race based crime statistics and news media are flawed. It is interesting you think the White owned media demonizes white people. That statement is so ridiculous I fail to see the value of making it.

TO Radicalized Whiet males, every derogatory report about Blacks is all true and any Black person or advocate that voices doubt about any of it is a delusional racist. Obviously, Black posters aren't going to accept that view and will comment aggressively when they find it. I 'm sorry for those innocent whites and blacks caught up in the verbal war zone but I guess well will just have to write them off as collateral damage.

Again, I can't speak for Asclepias any more than he can speak for me. We both are free thinkers so our opinions do not necessarily reflect the sentiments of all Black people in America or anywhere else although we do agree on most things including the controlling demeaning nature of whites when it comes to issues concerning social interactions between us and them. Even now you point to black people's problems as something you know something about. Do you really know what Black people's problems are or are you just relying on Fox News and non contextual statistics to do that for you?

You say you can't speak for Asclepias and IM2, but you seem to be doing so when you say that "black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts." I have no idea if Asclepias and IM2 came here with racial animus in their hearts. I don't even know if someone like Tank or Steve McGarrett came here with racial animus in their hearts. All anyone can really do is look at the racial animus, or lack thereof, in posts made by a person, and go from there.

In the case of IM2, since he began this thread, while I do think his posts often contain a pretty strong anti-white bias, I am still willing to discuss race and racial issues with him. For the more blatant and ridiculous racists on the board like a Steve McGarrett, I generally don't bother trying. That can certainly present an appearance of letting white racial animus slide while calling out black racial animus, but actually, it is the opposite in terms of sentiment: I don't think racists like Tank or McGarrett are worth my time.

There are some pretty blatant racists and bigots on USMB, and quite a few more of them are white than black or any other minority.

Of course, all of this is based on what people post; I have no idea who might just be a troll, or lying about their race, etc.

I'm not speaking for Asclepias of IM2 directly when I make a statement I believe to be true concerning Black people in general who wander onto this board. Most are going to inadvertently stumble across the proliferation of racist posts here and become defensive as a result. That's just my opinion based on my own experiences here. In regards to those whites who are adamant about calling themselves conservatives, certain among them emerge to makes me feel uncomfortably apprehensive. Ensconced within the American conservative camp are some of the most virulent white racists on the planet, and the Republicans welcome them with open arms. If you are part of that kind of radical cabal, I can't trust you, even if you appear to be OK. Some ostensibly"good" Germans joined the NAZI Party too. And they looked the other way during the pogroms. They didn't see the smoke rising from the ovens and the ash falling on their shoulders. Even as their sons and daughters were carrying out the Final Solution , they claimed not to know about the horrors taking place in their concentration camps.

WhenI see you use the racial crime statistics as a talking point here, I put you in the same category as Steve McGarrett or Shoot Speeders. Why? Because the guys who implemented the program were/are probably just as racist as any racist on these boards; and you the data just as often as the resident racists ShootSpeeders and Meathead do That data doesn't reflect the lives of any Blacks I know and associate with and I doubt those statistics pertain to Asclepias of Im2. So why throw them in our faces as if they do? Why do I have to hear the lie, based on statistics, that I am more likely to be a killer than you are? I am tired of having to wear that albatross around my neck. I doubt any of the Blacks that frequent these boards have any thing to do with crime in the Black community but you seem to relish throwing black criminality in our faces. Frankly that is the only function I see race based statistics being used for.

Based on statistics, you are far, far more likely to murder; assuming you are a black male. It's a given and while you might not be directly responsible for that, it is an obvious fact.

This is not a safe space where political correctness rules. I suggest you seek one out.

That's an obvious lie. I am no more likely to be a murderer than the Pope is. Thats the problem with race based statistics. They can be used to produce idiots like you who actually believe any given black male is more likely to be a murderer than a white man is? You have just made my case. race based statistics ought to be canned and outlawed as being a clear and present danger to the well being of innocent Backs.

You think burying facts is going to save innocent black lives? Blacks in the US are killing each other at Central American rates. Being oblivious to that problem by outlawing race-based statistics is going to stop that?!

Blacks aren't killing each other at Central American rates. The fact you make such a comment goes right to the point JQ was making. When you talk about burying facts understand that approximately 90 percent of all whites killed are killed by another white. In the last year I saw whites only killed 5-600 fewer people than blacks did. The number of murders over the years I have looked at this have bee about the same, the only thing whites have is the excuse of thy have more people. But if 1,000 blacks are killed and 1,000 whites are killed, that's 1,000 each and you cannot make the 1,000 black kills into 5,000 just because you want to. Now what you really need to understand is that historically whites have ben the most violent and have committed far and away the most murders in this country. And while doing that whites have always declared how blacks are more violent.

 

[IM2]

Based on statistics, you are far, far more likely to murder; assuming you are a black male. It's a given and while you might not be directly responsible for that, it is an obvious fact.

This is not a safe space where political correctness rules. I suggest you seek one out.

That's an obvious lie. I am no more likely to be a murderer than the Pope is. Thats the problem with race based statistics. They can be used to produce idiots like you who actually believe any given black male is more likely to be a murderer than a white man is? You have just made my case. race based statistics ought to be canned and outlawed as being a clear and present danger to the well being of innocent Backs.

You think burying facts is going to save innocent black lives? Blacks in the US are killing each other at Central American rates. Being oblivious to that problem by outlawing race-based statistics is going to stop that?!

well Blacks haven't killed each other off in this country after 40 years of reported shooting sprees. there are still plenty left to irk your bigoted arse.

Blacks haven't killed each other off because of the spawn of unwed mothers, thus completing the circle and getting back on topic.

Where is the study that verifies your nonsense? Or did you think of that all by yourself?

He doesn't have a study or anything else that verifies one word he has ever said.

 

[Meathead]

You say you can't speak for Asclepias and IM2, but you seem to be doing so when you say that "black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts." I have no idea if Asclepias and IM2 came here with racial animus in their hearts. I don't even know if someone like Tank or Steve McGarrett came here with racial animus in their hearts. All anyone can really do is look at the racial animus, or lack thereof, in posts made by a person, and go from there.

In the case of IM2, since he began this thread, while I do think his posts often contain a pretty strong anti-white bias, I am still willing to discuss race and racial issues with him. For the more blatant and ridiculous racists on the board like a Steve McGarrett, I generally don't bother trying. That can certainly present an appearance of letting white racial animus slide while calling out black racial animus, but actually, it is the opposite in terms of sentiment: I don't think racists like Tank or McGarrett are worth my time.

There are some pretty blatant racists and bigots on USMB, and quite a few more of them are white than black or any other minority.

Of course, all of this is based on what people post; I have no idea who might just be a troll, or lying about their race, etc.

I'm not speaking for Asclepias of IM2 directly when I make a statement I believe to be true concerning Black people in general who wander onto this board. Most are going to inadvertently stumble across the proliferation of racist posts here and become defensive as a result. That's just my opinion based on my own experiences here. In regards to those whites who are adamant about calling themselves conservatives, certain among them emerge to makes me feel uncomfortably apprehensive. Ensconced within the American conservative camp are some of the most virulent white racists on the planet, and the Republicans welcome them with open arms. If you are part of that kind of radical cabal, I can't trust you, even if you appear to be OK. Some ostensibly"good" Germans joined the NAZI Party too. And they looked the other way during the pogroms. They didn't see the smoke rising from the ovens and the ash falling on their shoulders. Even as their sons and daughters were carrying out the Final Solution , they claimed not to know about the horrors taking place in their concentration camps.

WhenI see you use the racial crime statistics as a talking point here, I put you in the same category as Steve McGarrett or Shoot Speeders. Why? Because the guys who implemented the program were/are probably just as racist as any racist on these boards; and you the data just as often as the resident racists ShootSpeeders and Meathead do That data doesn't reflect the lives of any Blacks I know and associate with and I doubt those statistics pertain to Asclepias of Im2. So why throw them in our faces as if they do? Why do I have to hear the lie, based on statistics, that I am more likely to be a killer than you are? I am tired of having to wear that albatross around my neck. I doubt any of the Blacks that frequent these boards have any thing to do with crime in the Black community but you seem to relish throwing black criminality in our faces. Frankly that is the only function I see race based statistics being used for.

Based on statistics, you are far, far more likely to murder; assuming you are a black male. It's a given and while you might not be directly responsible for that, it is an obvious fact.

This is not a safe space where political correctness rules. I suggest you seek one out.

That's an obvious lie. I am no more likely to be a murderer than the Pope is. Thats the problem with race based statistics. They can be used to produce idiots like you who actually believe any given black male is more likely to be a murderer than a white man is? You have just made my case. race based statistics ought to be canned and outlawed as being a clear and present danger to the well being of innocent Backs.

You think burying facts is going to save innocent black lives? Blacks in the US are killing each other at Central American rates. Being oblivious to that problem by outlawing race-based statistics is going to stop that?!

Blacks aren't killing each other at Central American rates. The fact you make such a comment goes right to the point JQ was making. When you talk about burying facts understand that approximately 90 percent of all whites killed are killed by another white. In the last year I saw whites only killed 5-600 fewer people than blacks did. The number of murders over the years I have looked at this have bee about the same, the only thing whites have is the excuse of thy have more people. But if 1,000 blacks are killed and 1,000 whites are killed, that's 1,000 each and you cannot make the 1,000 black kills into 5,000 just because you want to. Now what you really need to understand is that historically whites have ben the most violent and have committed far and away the most murders in this country. And while doing that whites have always declared how blacks are more violent.

No one expects you do "get" statistics, and ease up on the ebonics, OK?

 

[IM2]

I'm not speaking for Asclepias of IM2 directly when I make a statement I believe to be true concerning Black people in general who wander onto this board. Most are going to inadvertently stumble across the proliferation of racist posts here and become defensive as a result. That's just my opinion based on my own experiences here. In regards to those whites who are adamant about calling themselves conservatives, certain among them emerge to makes me feel uncomfortably apprehensive. Ensconced within the American conservative camp are some of the most virulent white racists on the planet, and the Republicans welcome them with open arms. If you are part of that kind of radical cabal, I can't trust you, even if you appear to be OK. Some ostensibly"good" Germans joined the NAZI Party too. And they looked the other way during the pogroms. They didn't see the smoke rising from the ovens and the ash falling on their shoulders. Even as their sons and daughters were carrying out the Final Solution , they claimed not to know about the horrors taking place in their concentration camps.

WhenI see you use the racial crime statistics as a talking point here, I put you in the same category as Steve McGarrett or Shoot Speeders. Why? Because the guys who implemented the program were/are probably just as racist as any racist on these boards; and you the data just as often as the resident racists ShootSpeeders and Meathead do That data doesn't reflect the lives of any Blacks I know and associate with and I doubt those statistics pertain to Asclepias of Im2. So why throw them in our faces as if they do? Why do I have to hear the lie, based on statistics, that I am more likely to be a killer than you are? I am tired of having to wear that albatross around my neck. I doubt any of the Blacks that frequent these boards have any thing to do with crime in the Black community but you seem to relish throwing black criminality in our faces. Frankly that is the only function I see race based statistics being used for.

Based on statistics, you are far, far more likely to murder; assuming you are a black male. It's a given and while you might not be directly responsible for that, it is an obvious fact.

This is not a safe space where political correctness rules. I suggest you seek one out.

That's an obvious lie. I am no more likely to be a murderer than the Pope is. Thats the problem with race based statistics. They can be used to produce idiots like you who actually believe any given black male is more likely to be a murderer than a white man is? You have just made my case. race based statistics ought to be canned and outlawed as being a clear and present danger to the well being of innocent Backs.

You think burying facts is going to save innocent black lives? Blacks in the US are killing each other at Central American rates. Being oblivious to that problem by outlawing race-based statistics is going to stop that?!

Blacks aren't killing each other at Central American rates. The fact you make such a comment goes right to the point JQ was making. When you talk about burying facts understand that approximately 90 percent of all whites killed are killed by another white. In the last year I saw whites only killed 5-600 fewer people than blacks did. The number of murders over the years I have looked at this have bee about the same, the only thing whites have is the excuse of thy have more people. But if 1,000 blacks are killed and 1,000 whites are killed, that's 1,000 each and you cannot make the 1,000 black kills into 5,000 just because you want to. Now what you really need to understand is that historically whites have ben the most violent and have committed far and away the most murders in this country. And while doing that whites have always declared how blacks are more violent.

No one expects you do "get" statistics, and ease up on the ebonics, OK?

I made a living citing and evaluating stats. STFU and man up. Face truth boy, the things you say aren't so.

 

[Meathead]

Based on statistics, you are far, far more likely to murder; assuming you are a black male. It's a given and while you might not be directly responsible for that, it is an obvious fact.

This is not a safe space where political correctness rules. I suggest you seek one out.

That's an obvious lie. I am no more likely to be a murderer than the Pope is. Thats the problem with race based statistics. They can be used to produce idiots like you who actually believe any given black male is more likely to be a murderer than a white man is? You have just made my case. race based statistics ought to be canned and outlawed as being a clear and present danger to the well being of innocent Backs.

You think burying facts is going to save innocent black lives? Blacks in the US are killing each other at Central American rates. Being oblivious to that problem by outlawing race-based statistics is going to stop that?!

Blacks aren't killing each other at Central American rates. The fact you make such a comment goes right to the point JQ was making. When you talk about burying facts understand that approximately 90 percent of all whites killed are killed by another white. In the last year I saw whites only killed 5-600 fewer people than blacks did. The number of murders over the years I have looked at this have bee about the same, the only thing whites have is the excuse of thy have more people. But if 1,000 blacks are killed and 1,000 whites are killed, that's 1,000 each and you cannot make the 1,000 black kills into 5,000 just because you want to. Now what you really need to understand is that historically whites have ben the most violent and have committed far and away the most murders in this country. And while doing that whites have always declared how blacks are more violent.

No one expects you do "get" statistics, and ease up on the ebonics, OK?

I made a living citing and evaluating stats. STFU and man up. Face truth boy, the things you say aren't so.

Sure. I can tell how well grasp statistics, and besides, everything anyone says on the internet is true.

 

[IM2]

That's an obvious lie. I am no more likely to be a murderer than the Pope is. Thats the problem with race based statistics. They can be used to produce idiots like you who actually believe any given black male is more likely to be a murderer than a white man is? You have just made my case. race based statistics ought to be canned and outlawed as being a clear and present danger to the well being of innocent Backs.

You think burying facts is going to save innocent black lives? Blacks in the US are killing each other at Central American rates. Being oblivious to that problem by outlawing race-based statistics is going to stop that?!

Blacks aren't killing each other at Central American rates. The fact you make such a comment goes right to the point JQ was making. When you talk about burying facts understand that approximately 90 percent of all whites killed are killed by another white. In the last year I saw whites only killed 5-600 fewer people than blacks did. The number of murders over the years I have looked at this have bee about the same, the only thing whites have is the excuse of thy have more people. But if 1,000 blacks are killed and 1,000 whites are killed, that's 1,000 each and you cannot make the 1,000 black kills into 5,000 just because you want to. Now what you really need to understand is that historically whites have ben the most violent and have committed far and away the most murders in this country. And while doing that whites have always declared how blacks are more violent.

No one expects you do "get" statistics, and ease up on the ebonics, OK?

I made a living citing and evaluating stats. STFU and man up. Face truth boy, the things you say aren't so.

Sure. I can tell how well grasp statistics, and besides, everything anyone says on the internet is true.

No you can't tell anything. What you believe is a lie and you've been shown that.

 

[Montrovant]

Are you saying the larger number of white crimes is diminished by proportionality? Usually critics of the Black community see those FBI stats showing considerable White criminality as an afterthought not worthy of debate. But the uninformed linking of so-called trends may be more of a societal problem than you realize. It is especially onerous to the majority of Blacks who are trying to do the right thing. Assumptions such as yours lead to discrimination and marginalization of an entire people based on statistical innuendo and misunderstandings by millions of white people who have never had a black friend or associate.

I understand that the ugly truth about black crime rates is a bitter pill to swallow, but it doesn't make it any less true. 13% of the population commits around 50% of the total homicides. Less than 13% if you factor in the male to female ratio. Black males are statistically more likely to commit murder than white males, by a huge margin. And that's not even factoring in all of the other crimes like robbery and assault all of which hover around 50% or higher among the black community. Sorry if it offends you, but it's true.

Im skeptical of crime statistics generated unilaterally by Whites to demonize which are ONLY used to demonize the entire Back population. I don't see the wisdom in any Black person taking those derogatory statistics at face value just because their enemies say they are true. Some whites are refusing to drink the statistical kool-aid too. For instance Tim Wise, noted race relations gets to the nitty gritty of race based statistics:

Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

"* Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;

* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another). Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;

* No more than 0.7 percent (seven-tenths of one percent) of African Americans will commit a violent crime against a white person in a given year, and fewer than 0.3 (three-tenths of one percent) of whites will be victimized by a black person in a given year;

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American."
Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

US MB is decidedly a sounding board for a number of political viewpoints. But the overwhelming majority of contributors here are radicalized White males and the women who love them. In this environment, I can understand why IM2 or Asclepias could be taunted enough to reciprocate against the extreme anti-Black sentiment found in these forums. I have been just as vociferous and just as militant as they have at times. That doesn't make me a hater of ALL White people it just makes me a hater of a certain kind of White person. I do regret using pejoratives and other verbal defense mechanisms to counter some of the more viral racists on this board but I am unapologetic for doing so. If the board tolerates vile anti Black depictions and taunts by racists, who, BTW, have gotten good ratings from many Whites I thought were liberal. Some white respondents do condemn the blatant racists here, but not enough.

Seems to me that the left and right point of view is close to equally balanced here. Trolls on both sides of the spectrum constantly slinging mud at one another, hardly any real discussion and nobody ever admits to being wrong. Are the right leaning trolls any more "radicalized" than the left leaning ones? ...and if IM2 and Asclepias are justified in going around saying white people are genetically inferior and have never done anything good for the world, smell like wet dogs etc, then how can it be wrong for white people to punch back? News and entertainment media constantly demonize and belittle us, not to mention our own elected politicians. Trump was elected in large part due to white people being fed up with the double standard.

I guess we see things differently. The board is overwhelmingly RIGHT leaning and extreme racist banter flourishes here. I can't speak for my brothers IM2 and Asclepias but I will say I cannot fault them for fighting fire with fire. Black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts. They came here looking for intelligent titillating conversation. Instead, What they met when putting forth their experiences and histories was outright verbal race war.

White newcomers and those with more moderate views on race aren't aware of the context in which Blacks sometimes respond to insults about their entire race. All they see is a Black man spouting invectives about white people. They don't care that ShootSpeeders still uses the caricature of Obama and Michele as apes, or that most of the anti-Black propaganda fed by race based crime statistics and news media are flawed. It is interesting you think the White owned media demonizes white people. That statement is so ridiculous I fail to see the value of making it.

TO Radicalized Whiet males, every derogatory report about Blacks is all true and any Black person or advocate that voices doubt about any of it is a delusional racist. Obviously, Black posters aren't going to accept that view and will comment aggressively when they find it. I 'm sorry for those innocent whites and blacks caught up in the verbal war zone but I guess well will just have to write them off as collateral damage.

As for IM2 and Asclepias, I see them as intelligent Blacks who are simply fighting back against overwhelming odds. They don't have the luxury of separating the bad guys from the good. Trying to be diplomatic in the face of viral racism is not an option that works here. I know I've tried it. Yet I'm still convinced there are white people here who really want to have a civil discussion about topics that affect Blacks and whites alike. I'd much rather engage people like that than those who thrown statistical data at me that I have no control over nor faith in.

Recently I tried to appeal to common decency but your pal Asclepias reminded me that he thinks that white women and children in South Africa deserve to be raped and murdered for occupying "black land" and would like to see similar uprisings happen here in America. Is that what you call intelligent diplomacy? Was he serious or just trolling? I don't know.

Anyway, basically what I want you to understand is black people's problems aren't my fault and I am sick of being blamed for them.

Again, I can't speak for Asclepias any more than he can speak for me. We both are free thinkers so our opinions do not necessarily reflect the sentiments of all Black people in America or anywhere else although we do agree on most things including the controlling demeaning nature of whites when it comes to issues concerning social interactions between us and them. Even now you point to black people's problems as something you know something about. Do you really know what Black people's problems are or are you just relying on Fox News and non contextual statistics to do that for you?

You say you can't speak for Asclepias and IM2, but you seem to be doing so when you say that "black posters didn't come here with racial animus in their hearts." I have no idea if Asclepias and IM2 came here with racial animus in their hearts. I don't even know if someone like Tank or Steve McGarrett came here with racial animus in their hearts. All anyone can really do is look at the racial animus, or lack thereof, in posts made by a person, and go from there.

In the case of IM2, since he began this thread, while I do think his posts often contain a pretty strong anti-white bias, I am still willing to discuss race and racial issues with him. For the more blatant and ridiculous racists on the board like a Steve McGarrett, I generally don't bother trying. That can certainly present an appearance of letting white racial animus slide while calling out black racial animus, but actually, it is the opposite in terms of sentiment: I don't think racists like Tank or McGarrett are worth my time.

There are some pretty blatant racists and bigots on USMB, and quite a few more of them are white than black or any other minority.

Of course, all of this is based on what people post; I have no idea who might just be a troll, or lying about their race, etc.

I'm not speaking for Asclepias of IM2 directly when I make a statement I believe to be true concerning Black people in general who wander onto this board. Most are going to inadvertently stumble across the proliferation of racist posts here and become defensive as a result. That's just my opinion based on my own experiences here. In regards to those whites who are adamant about calling themselves conservatives, certain among them emerge to makes me feel uncomfortably apprehensive. Ensconced within the American conservative camp are some of the most virulent white racists on the planet, and the Republicans welcome them with open arms. If you are part of that kind of radical cabal, I can't trust you, even if you appear to be OK. Some ostensibly"good" Germans joined the NAZI Party too. And they looked the other way during the pogroms. They didn't see the smoke rising from the ovens and the ash falling on their shoulders. Even as their sons and daughters were carrying out the Final Solution , they claimed not to know about the horrors taking place in their concentration camps.

WhenI see you use the racial crime statistics as a talking point here, I put you in the same category as Steve McGarrett or Shoot Speeders. Why? Because the guys who implemented the program were/are probably just as racist as any racist on these boards; and you the data just as often as the resident racists ShootSpeeders and Meathead do That data doesn't reflect the lives of any Blacks I know and associate with and I doubt those statistics pertain to Asclepias of Im2. So why throw them in our faces as if they do? Why do I have to hear the lie, based on statistics, that I am more likely to be a killer than you are? I am tired of having to wear that albatross around my neck. I doubt any of the Blacks that frequent these boards have any thing to do with crime in the Black community but you seem to relish throwing black criminality in our faces. Frankly that is the only function I see race based statistics being used for.

That's all well and good......but IM2 is the one who started this thread. Everything you've said about blacks on this site reacting to others kind of falls apart when a black poster is commonly making threads like this, which IM2 does. When a black poster uses statistics as a talking point, is that perfectly acceptable, but if a white poster does it, it's being "thrown in your faces"?

Are you saying you think the people who compile statistics at the CDC are racists, or even that the data itself is racist? And again, I'll point out that a black poster is the one who brought up the statistics.

If you are tired of seeing statistics regarding race, you should probably avoid this particular sub-forum.

 

[Montrovant]

Obviously the divorce rates would be even worse if
California, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Minnesota, and New Mexico had included their data.

Actually, it is not at all obvious that the divorce rates would be worse with that data. The total number of divorces would be higher, but so would the total number of marriages, so whether the rate would be higher or lower is a completely open question.

I just wanted to correct that little tidbit. Don't take it as a comment on the entirety of your post.

Well the divorce rate and marriage rates are independent of each other so I was correct.

Yes, the divorce rate and marriage rate are independent of each other. However, unless you already know that the rate of divorce in the states which did not give data is higher than the rate for the country, there is no way to know if that data would end up raising or lowering the overall rate. If there were 100 divorces out of 500 people in the states which provided data, giving a divorce rate of 1 out of every 5 people, and in the states which did not give data, there were 5 divorces out of 50 people, that data would not raise the divorce rate. When you listed the numbers, you indicated that the divorce rate was being compiled based on the populations of the states which provided data; the population number used was only 250 million or so, I believe.

If no data was used from the listed states, there is no way to know if adding that data would increase, decrease, or leave the same the overall divorce rate.

 

[JoeB131]

Simple two word answer: Margaret Sanger.

Is hiding under your bed and she's going to get you tonight!!!!

Okay, here's what's actually changed. Used to be, you got a girl knocked up, you were expected to marry her. Even if you weren't in love, even if it wasn't even particularly good sex. You knocked her up, you got married, you put off any dreams you had and you got a job at the factory.

Well, guess what, people aren't doing that anymore. Not that it matters, the factories are all automated, anyway. People have realized, by itself, pregnancy isn't a good enough reason to have a marriage that wouldn't have happened, otherwise.

So one one end, you have the less affluent having out of wedlock babies, and on the other hand, you have the affluent waiting until they are 30+ to have babies, chasing down their biological clocks.

The society has changed. Good or bad, it has.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

IM2:
Context + Percentage = Confused

 

[Taz]

CDC: 40%+ of U.S. Babies Born to Unmarried Women for 8th Straight Year

Of the 3,977,745 babies born in the United States of America in 2015, 1,600,208 of them—or 40.2 percent--were born to unmarried mothers, according to data released this month by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

"CDC: 40%+ of U.S. Babies Born to Unmarried Women for 8th Straight Year"

In 2015 there were just over 415,000 babies born to unwed black moms. There were 3,977,745 babies born over all. So the percentage of unwed black babies born as a percentage of all babies was approximately 10,4 percent. Blacks had just over 500,000 babies total. Whites had over 1.9 million total and over 600,000 babies born to unwed moms or about 16 percent of all unwed births as a percentage of all births.

Table I–4. Births to unmarried women, by race and Hispanic origin of mother: United States, each state and territory, 2015, National Vital Statistics Reports, Volume 66, Number 1 ... - CDC

The reality of this information shows that whites actually had more unwed children than blacks had children. In 2015 blacks had just over 500,000 children total. Whites had over 620,000 unwed births. Now I'm sure the mathematical "geniuses" around here will try talking their usual trash, but the facts are as they are. The unwed birth percentage of blacks as opposed to the total number of births was just over 10 percent. By both number and percentage whites had more unwed births. Now you can argue the usual dumb white supremacist argument based only on the number of total black babies born and back babies born out of wedlock, but that paints a false picture and that's the picture whites gave been painting for 400 years.

It's not a question of being married, I have children and am not married, but I'm still with their mother. So it's not a question of wed or unwed, but a question of single parent families. Research that instead.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

CDC: 40%+ of U.S. Babies Born to Unmarried Women for 8th Straight Year

Of the 3,977,745 babies born in the United States of America in 2015, 1,600,208 of them—or 40.2 percent--were born to unmarried mothers, according to data released this month by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

"CDC: 40%+ of U.S. Babies Born to Unmarried Women for 8th Straight Year"

In 2015 there were just over 415,000 babies born to unwed black moms. There were 3,977,745 babies born over all. So the percentage of unwed black babies born as a percentage of all babies was approximately 10,4 percent. Blacks had just over 500,000 babies total. Whites had over 1.9 million total and over 600,000 babies born to unwed moms or about 16 percent of all unwed births as a percentage of all births.

Table I–4. Births to unmarried women, by race and Hispanic origin of mother: United States, each state and territory, 2015, National Vital Statistics Reports, Volume 66, Number 1 ... - CDC

The reality of this information shows that whites actually had more unwed children than blacks had children. In 2015 blacks had just over 500,000 children total. Whites had over 620,000 unwed births. Now I'm sure the mathematical "geniuses" around here will try talking their usual trash, but the facts are as they are. The unwed birth percentage of blacks as opposed to the total number of births was just over 10 percent. By both number and percentage whites had more unwed births. Now you can argue the usual dumb white supremacist argument based only on the number of total black babies born and back babies born out of wedlock, but that paints a false picture and that's the picture whites gave been painting for 400 years.

Your own numbers there say that over 80% of blacks were born out of wedlock.
80%!

'And many other sources show place the figure at 70% or 72%. That 80% figure should tell us use the data with caution because even the experts can't agree.

The experts agree, IM2 posted bad numbers.