The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be.....

[Correll]

I've never heard Mark Twain called a conservative before.

Read something, idiot.

Unrelated out of context quotes ? lol!

And again, the idiot demonstrates his profound lack of reading ability!

If you have a point to make about Twain, MAKE IT IN YOUR OWN WORDS, YOU MORON.

Also,



Libs are so stupid. THey attack the very idea of patriotism, and then act shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that we would question their patriotism.


Fucking assholes.

 

[Grumblenuts]

If you have a point to make

Already done. Repeatedly, doofus. You missed it.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

LOL.
So, after you run and tell the boss on him, black guy spits on you and gets fired. You continue crying a river and calling him racist. What a man! What a really, really big man!

It is a false equivalence. He spit on you because he thought you were picking in him, not because you were white.

He thought I was picking on him because I'm white.

You ran and told the boss on him which you claim you are required to do, but I seriously doubt if you did that to your white buddies, which he probably saw daily and that also would have created the anger.

That's a lot of speculation and doubt on your part considering that you have already been told all the details of this story.

Essentially you're assuming that he was right; that I was picking on him and the other black guy and did not treat the white crewmembers the same. So tell me, why would you assume this if not because I'm white?

But certainly you will now try telling everybody that the white workers always wore their gloves in order to keep trying to validate your tale.

More assumption and speculation. No, the white workers didn't always wear their gloves and when they didn't, I corrected them.

I told you already back then when we first discussed this that it was this guy's first hitch with the company and he had only been on the vessel for a week when all this went down.

But that story is not equivalent to 243 years of racist laws, public and private policy that have hampered blacks on jobs like the one you worked.

If I have a responsibility to enforce company safety policies, I don't give a shit about 243 years of racist laws and policies and that is irrelevant anyway. It was his responsibility to comply with company safety procedures of which he was apprised when he hired on. He was told when he was hired and knew full well that company policy dictated that he wear gloves and safety glasses when performing any task.

So tell us ghost, how long had that black guy worked there? How long had you?

Why are you asking these questions? You were told all this back then. The guy had just hired on and had only been on the vessel a week. I had been with the company about fifteen years at that point.

Because according to your classic white racist story, he and another black man worked there but of course they were lazy and never could do the job, while all the white workers were exceptional hard working types.

This is an absolute and unequivocal lie and WRONG. I never said they were lazy and couldn't do the job. Neither of them were lazy and they performed their jobs just fine. He just had a momentary lapse in compliance with safety rules and I simply reminded him of that.

You have been told all this numerous times in the past. Why do you persist in getting everything wrong?

Also, I've had to ask the company to remove lazy and incompetent crewmembers from the vessel three or four times throughout my career and every one of them was white. As far as levels of competence, work ethic and diligence, the line fell pretty much right down the middle of racial lines. In my experience I never found that one race was generally more competent or more lazy than the other.

What this looks like to me is that you didn't want to work with blacks and found a reason to try getting him fired so you saw him without gloves on and ran to your super to report him.

Once again, completely wrong. I didn't report to anybody about the gloves. The gloves were not the issue and was not a job-terminating offense anyway. I asked the supervisor to come and mediate a discussion because the guy was being an asshole and was making things tense on the vessel. I made an effort to resolve the situation through discussion and got spit on for my trouble.

You have not faced racism. Racism would have been a black boss letting him keep the job after he spit on you and getting a raise/promotion while you get fired. That's what we face asshole and until you have faced things like that, don't make false equivalences.

Oh please. Who's being the whiny bitch? A black employee is asked to comply with company safety rules that he was well aware of and you bring up "243 years of laws and policies and blah blah blah..." Jesus what a racist windbag.

A very well written series on on topic points, and wasted on IM2, who is a anti-white racist and will side with the black based on his racism and his being an asshole.

I still can't figure out if IM2 is deliberately being obtuse or if he really is so addle-brained he can't keep the details straight.

I say - "I asked him to put on gloves according to established safety rules."
IM2 hears - "Black guys are all lazy and incompetent."

I say - "The guy thought I was singling him out and started behaving like a dick so I asked the supervisor to mediate a discussion to resolve the situation."
IM2 hears - "I ran to tell the boss on him because he wasn't wearing gloves to get the little black Sambo motherfucker fired because black guys are all lazy and incompetent."

I say - "Even after trying to resolve the issue through discussion, the guy spit on me and that's what got him fired."
IM2 hears - "I tried to get the jigaboo fired for not wearing gloves and so he spit on me and got fired anyway. Ha ha!"

From the very beginning (that is, when he wasn't mistakenly attributing other posters' comments to me) he has conflated, assumed, speculated and outright lied to pad his narrative that I was the racist in the story. He fluffed his argument with whatever bullshit he could inject in there to cast doubt on the fact that the guy simply misunderstood my motives and overreacted.

It happens..A guy got fired from where I was working for freaking out like that..in 1989.
IM2 reminds me of him..was reading "Malcolm X" for 2 weeks; For me it would be 2 afternoons.
I can still see the black guys on the crew looking at him and shaking their heads.
We were all in that thing together, except him.

Not once did IM2 acknowledge that maybe the guy overreacted. The possibility that I was not singling the guy out or being racist never occurred to him.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Not once has Ghost of a Rider acknowledged that the introduction of unverifiable anecdotes to forward an opposing political stance is of less use than toilet paper and a pathetic waste of everyone's time.. Gee, I (don't) wonder why?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Here's what we can reasonably expect conservatives to nominate:

Yeah..Herman Cain should have been that year. He's too old now.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Name a great leader that's black that you would like to see lead the US!

I come up with zip after Herman Cain, I woulda voted for him over any of the other candidates that year.

He would have made a good president.

 

[Grumblenuts]

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Not once has Ghost of a Rider acknowledged that the introduction of unverifiable anecdotes to forward an opposing political stance is of less use than toilet paper and a pathetic waste of everyone's time.. Gee, I (don't) wonder why?

Let's do a quick synopsis of this string of the conversation, shall we?

Remember, I didn't bring up or tell the story. All I said was that I had experienced black racism and that when I related the story to IM2 in an earlier discussion, he assumed I made it up and he assumed it because I'm white. What's more, I wasn't even talking to you; it was addressed to Biff Poindexter.

You then quoted me out of context (from a post not addressed to you) and responded with: "To experience black racism one would have to be a minority member in a place where blacks outnumber you, own and control more things, and have treated you as subhuman."

I then asked you if you knew the definition of the word "racism" to which you cited only half the definition.

In the same post YOU asked ME: "what did IM2 do to make you cry like such a victim in public?"

To which I answered that he had accused me of lying without cause.

To which YOU responded with this assumption: "I doubt it was that simplistic,"

At this point IM2 jumped in with his completely error-filled version of that conversation (Post #543, Page 55), saying I had "narced" on the guy, which I did not and was not how it went down. I was then compelled to correct him.

You and IM2 are solely responsible for the discussion taking the turn that it did. I never wanted or meant to rehash the story. But you idiots with your uninformed assumptions, half-cited definitions and juvenile references to machismo, well, you got what you asked for.

 

[Grumblenuts]

All I said was that I had experienced black racism and that when I related the story to IM2 in an earlier discussion, he assumed I made it up and he assumed it because I'm white.

Briefer synopsis: More unsolicited, unverifiable anecdote. My unsolicited advice? Stop doing this. Stop whining. Permanently. Make factual claims that your interlocutor(s) can easily verify. Simples. Honest. No bullshit.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

All I said was that I had experienced black racism and that when I related the story to IM2 in an earlier discussion, he assumed I made it up and he assumed it because I'm white.

Briefer synopsis: More unsolicited, unverifiable anecdote.

It's all right here in this discussion in black and white dumbass.

My unsolicited advice? Stop doing this. Stop whining. Permanently. Make factual claims that your interlocutor(s) can easily verify. Simples. Honest. No bullshit.

My unsolicited advice? If you don't want to hear about something then don't comment on or ask questions about a remark that was not addressed to you in the first place. Fucking moron.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

All I said was that I had experienced black racism and that when I related the story to IM2 in an earlier discussion, he assumed I made it up and he assumed it because I'm white.

Briefer synopsis: More unsolicited, unverifiable anecdote. My unsolicited advice? Stop doing this. Stop whining. Permanently. Make factual claims that your interlocutor(s) can easily verify. Simples. Honest. No bullshit.

There is in fact black racism and it does not have to be from people in a power position read your own damn definition retard.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Testy little losers, aren't they though?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Testy little losers, aren't they though?

Keep right on proving you can not read and are as stupid as a rock.

 

[Correll]

If you have a point to make

Already done. Repeatedly, doofus. You missed it.

Standard lib tactic. When losing an argument, retreat to short, snark comments, and just play this pretend game, that you are winning the argument, and count on your lib friends to support the delusion.


Meanwhile in the real world, you're defending a position that you already admitted you don't agree with , ie, that blacks cannot be racist.


You are defending this position, because you are deferring to the black guy, because blacks have the Moral Authority on the issue.


Oddly, you don't see any racism, in this dividing people by race and finding one race morally superior to another.


AND, you made a claim about Mark Twain being a conservative, which you can't or won't support, but you will be snarky about being asked about it.


I'm not sure why you are doing this to yourself.


What you should do now, is admit that it was wrong of you to side with IM2, because of his skin color, and that you don't know why you thought of Twain as a conservative.


Because, after all, you do agree with me, that blacks can be racist.


It is racist of you to side with him over me, based on skin color. Stop being racist.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Meanwhile in the real world, you're defending a position that you already admitted you don't agree with , ie, that blacks cannot be racist.

In your dreams? I'm quite sure. But go right ahead. Be my guest. Quote me. Saying exactly that. Else stop whining and kidding yourself like this.

 

[Grumblenuts]

AND, you made a claim about Mark Twain being a conservative,

No, I didn't. That was all you, honey.

which you can't or won't support,

I supported everything I said with logic and links. You should really try it some time.

 

[Correll]

Meanwhile in the real world, you're defending a position that you already admitted you don't agree with , ie, that blacks cannot be racist.

In your dreams? I'm quite sure. But go right ahead. Be my guest. Quote me. Saying exactly that. Else stop whining and kidding yourself like this.

Took me several minutes of scrolling to find this, so you better not just blow it off.


Here is you, post number 561.


The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be.....



"I agree that it's possible for black people to be racist...."




Here in post 597 explaining why you were kowtowing to the morally superior black man, like the racist white lib you are.


The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be.....



"I was speaking hypothetically from a privileged, disinterested, third party perspective. IM2 speaks from the perspective of one who's experienced harmful racism. I don't blame him for showing negligible respect for my opinions on the subject. I know next to nothing by comparison."




Did you forget that? You are now defending a position, that you have admitted that you don't agree with,

and you have clearly stated that the reason you are deferring to the black man, is because being black makes him an Authority on racism, that needs to be deferred to, by white people.


That is clearly racist of you.



YOu are judging people and ideas, including yourself and your ideas, not on the merits or character of the idea or person, but based on skin color.



You agree with me, that blacks can be racist, but you are siding with the black, because of skin color.


How can you have so little self awareness of your own actions?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Found one good article on the topic, but it ends up just covering the Democrats since there simply are no potential Republicans on the horizon. Money quote, literally,

Why is being perceived as too liberal an impediment to running for governor, senator or president? For one, that perception probably hinders big-dollar fundraising.

This money driven politics crap has to go. That will only happen due to greatly increased grassroots pressure.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

All I said was that I had experienced black racism and that when I related the story to IM2 in an earlier discussion, he assumed I made it up and he assumed it because I'm white.

Briefer synopsis: More unsolicited, unverifiable anecdote. My unsolicited advice? Stop doing this. Stop whining. Permanently. Make factual claims that your interlocutor(s) can easily verify. Simples. Honest. No bullshit.

There is in fact black racism and it does not have to be from people in a power position read your own damn definition retard.

He deliberately left that part of the definition out. Gee, I wonder why.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Meanwhile in the real world, you're defending a position that you already admitted you don't agree with , ie, that blacks cannot be racist.

In your dreams? I'm quite sure. But go right ahead. Be my guest. Quote me. Saying exactly that.

So here is Post 561 (thanks for providing the number):

So, do you agree that black people cannot be racist?

I agree that it's possible for black people to be racist. Do you agree that it's long been much easier for white people to actually harm blacks with their racism than vice versa?

So allegedly I've been "defending" the statement "blacks cannot be racist" while somehow disagreeing with that very same statement. In actual fact, your efforts have revealed me clearly stating "it's possible for black people to be racist" without qualification. All your blathering to the contrary has been just that. You have yet to quote me defending a position that I don't agree with.

"I was speaking hypothetically from a privileged, disinterested, third party perspective. IM2 speaks from the perspective of one who's experienced harmful racism. I don't blame him for showing negligible respect for my opinions on the subject. I know next to nothing by comparison."

Did you forget that?

Of course not. I can't help seeing race issues mainly from a majority (white)(establishment) perspective while he's both seen and experienced them from a minority perspective as well. Plus I gather, unlike me, he's studied the issue in great depth and professionally lectured on the subject. Yes, I do defer to his clearly superior expertise. That does not preclude us from disagreeing here and there.

You agree with me, that blacks can be racist, but you are siding with the black, because of skin color.

I'm going to say this more than once:

Fuck you.
Fuck you.