The Flag of Treason

[toomuchtime_]

Why does our President support the racist, treasonous Confederate Flag?

Slick Willy flew the Stars and Bars over the State House while governor, so I assume you think he and Hitlery are both racist, right?

Hillary Clinton's 'Stars and Bars' Problem | Blaze Media

Where was Hillary Clinton and her call to remove the Confederate Flag during her time as first lady of Arkansas?

www.theblaze.com

Neither is President TODAY

Beside the point. The Confederacy does not exist today either. So what's your problem with the flag? Have you noticed that all 50 States have and fly flags of their own and probably all have had slavery one time or another? Hypocrisy.

I can understand wanting to keep the confederate flag alive for one's ancestry' s sake, my ancestors on my father's side were mostly confederates.... most were not slave owners, but so far in my ancestry search, I've found only 3 great great etc grandfather's that were... but most were just farmers, with no slaves....only their 8 to 12 children each, as their farm laborers.... but the men relatives still served in the Confederate States Army through being drafted...

But, and that's a big BUT.... What I have slowly realized over my decades, it's such a hurtful reminder of what human beings, that were slaves and the ancestors of today's African Americans, had to go through...

That flying flag is a sign to them, that they too are STILL thought of, as less than human beings....

And that's just unacceptable to me.... I want no part in a continuation of hurting them, even if simply their feelings.

Fine, if they don't like it then propose legislation to ban the flag and let everyone vote their feelings about it, but Ooops! those states and their legal systems were all created by evil slave owners and worse, the buildings fly the American flag, created by evil slave owners, and must abide by the US Constitution, which defined a black man as only three fifths of a white man, so legal channels are just too painful to pursue and black Americans have no choice but to ignore the law and just destroy the flags and monuments of the Confederacy when they are not too busy looting and burning Target stores.

Slavery was evil and were the Jim Crow laws, and black people were oppressed for much of our history, but they are no longer oppressed. Today, black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans and we have a plethora of laws, government agencies to protect those rights, so if seeing someone waving a confederate flag, even if he is a white supremacist makes them feel less than human, it is is not because the guy with the flag has any particular weight or influence but because evil Democrats are exploiting the insecurities of black people for their own political gain before an election. It is you, not the guy with the flag who is causing them pain.

Easier said than done...
It's hard to pick oneself up by their bootstraps, when they were barefoot a few hundred years, and had no shoes.

But they weren't. Those that whine the loudest about slavery have never been slaves and never even knew anybody that was a slave. They are no more whoever they think their ancestors might have been than anyone else is and may well have had slave owners in their family history. My ancestry is largely German. The Romans kept many Gothic slaves but I don't blame present day Italians for all my problems.

Interesting viewpoint if slavery was the end of oppression.
Most blacks can name people who were subjected to the follow up to slavery. Second class citizenship, denial of voting rights, denial of access to the judicial system, officially sanctioned terrorism

All of these issues have been addressed in the Civil Rights of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Civil Rights department at DoJ has been quite aggressive in addressing violations when they occur. Today black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?

I thought confederates and kkk etc, were Democrats? So why are Republicans fighting to keep a flag belonging to Democrats up?

It's part of history.

You know like you dumbfuck loons are so worked up over you curl up in the fetal position sucking your thumbs?

You people need serious mental help

Yes, I'm mocking you

 

[RetiredGySgt]

N

LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?

Not of "our past". Of the past. They lost.

It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?

"It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?"

the confederacy WAS ANOTHER COUNTRY!


The Confederate States of America was a collection of 11 states that seceded from the United States in 1860 following the election of President Abraham Lincoln. Led by Jefferson Davis and existing from 1861 to 1865, the Confederacy struggled for legitimacy and was never recognized as a sovereign nation.Aug 21, 2018


they LEFT the union and started their own country and then ATTACKED the Union.

treason
traitors

Actually the union started the war with it's occupation and reinforcement of territory belonging to the sovereign State of South Carolina.

Ft Sumter was United States territory

South Carolina was too until it succeeded and the land Ft. Sumpter sits on was and is most certainly a part that State. Also armed foreign presence in a major harbor constitutes a blockade which is itself an act of war. The Union was asked nicely to leave and was given time to do so. Instead Lincoln sent more troops into South Carolina which was another act of war.

The South had no Constitutional right to leave the Union. It takes an act of Congress to leave not a Unilateral decision by a state.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Why does our President support the racist, treasonous Confederate Flag?

Slick Willy flew the Stars and Bars over the State House while governor, so I assume you think he and Hitlery are both racist, right?

Hillary Clinton's 'Stars and Bars' Problem | Blaze Media

Where was Hillary Clinton and her call to remove the Confederate Flag during her time as first lady of Arkansas?

www.theblaze.com

Neither is President TODAY

Beside the point. The Confederacy does not exist today either. So what's your problem with the flag? Have you noticed that all 50 States have and fly flags of their own and probably all have had slavery one time or another? Hypocrisy.

I can understand wanting to keep the confederate flag alive for one's ancestry' s sake, my ancestors on my father's side were mostly confederates.... most were not slave owners, but so far in my ancestry search, I've found only 3 great great etc grandfather's that were... but most were just farmers, with no slaves....only their 8 to 12 children each, as their farm laborers.... but the men relatives still served in the Confederate States Army through being drafted...

But, and that's a big BUT.... What I have slowly realized over my decades, it's such a hurtful reminder of what human beings, that were slaves and the ancestors of today's African Americans, had to go through...

That flying flag is a sign to them, that they too are STILL thought of, as less than human beings....

And that's just unacceptable to me.... I want no part in a continuation of hurting them, even if simply their feelings.

Fine, if they don't like it then propose legislation to ban the flag and let everyone vote their feelings about it, but Ooops! those states and their legal systems were all created by evil slave owners and worse, the buildings fly the American flag, created by evil slave owners, and must abide by the US Constitution, which defined a black man as only three fifths of a white man, so legal channels are just too painful to pursue and black Americans have no choice but to ignore the law and just destroy the flags and monuments of the Confederacy when they are not too busy looting and burning Target stores.

Slavery was evil and were the Jim Crow laws, and black people were oppressed for much of our history, but they are no longer oppressed. Today, black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans and we have a plethora of laws, government agencies to protect those rights, so if seeing someone waving a confederate flag, even if he is a white supremacist makes them feel less than human, it is is not because the guy with the flag has any particular weight or influence but because evil Democrats are exploiting the insecurities of black people for their own political gain before an election. It is you, not the guy with the flag who is causing them pain.

Easier said than done...
It's hard to pick oneself up by their bootstraps, when they were barefoot a few hundred years, and had no shoes.

But they weren't. Those that whine the loudest about slavery have never been slaves and never even knew anybody that was a slave. They are no more whoever they think their ancestors might have been than anyone else is and may well have had slave owners in their family history. My ancestry is largely German. The Romans kept many Gothic slaves but I don't blame present day Italians for all my problems.

Interesting viewpoint if slavery was the end of oppression.
Most blacks can name people who were subjected to the follow up to slavery. Second class citizenship, denial of voting rights, denial of access to the judicial system, officially sanctioned terrorism

The Civil Rights Act was passed and made law a long time ago. Do you have a more current lame excuse?

 

[toomuchtime_]

N

LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?

Not of "our past". Of the past. They lost.

It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?

"It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?"

the confederacy WAS ANOTHER COUNTRY!


The Confederate States of America was a collection of 11 states that seceded from the United States in 1860 following the election of President Abraham Lincoln. Led by Jefferson Davis and existing from 1861 to 1865, the Confederacy struggled for legitimacy and was never recognized as a sovereign nation.Aug 21, 2018


they LEFT the union and started their own country and then ATTACKED the Union.

treason
traitors

Actually the union started the war with it's occupation and reinforcement of territory belonging to the sovereign State of South Carolina.

Ft Sumter was United States territory

South Carolina was too until it succeeded and the land Ft. Sumpter sits on was and is most certainly a part that State. Also armed foreign presence in a major harbor constitutes a blockade which is itself an act of war. The Union was asked nicely to leave and was given time to do so. Instead Lincoln sent more troops into South Carolina which was another act of war.

The South had no Constitutional right to leave the Union. It takes an act of Congress to leave not a Unilateral decision by a state.

And the colonies had no legal right under British law to break away from Britain, but Jefferson appealed to " Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" for authority.

 

[OKTexas]

Why does our President support the racist, treasonous Confederate Flag?

Bullshit propaganda from the liar project, nothing but a bunch of commies.

.

Lincoln was not a commie
He was a REAL Republican

It's a shame someone pays you not to understand plain english and post the propaganda you do. You might want to get you mom to explain the simple sentence I posted.

.

 

[OKTexas]

N

LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?

Not of "our past". Of the past. They lost.

It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?

"It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?"

the confederacy WAS ANOTHER COUNTRY!


The Confederate States of America was a collection of 11 states that seceded from the United States in 1860 following the election of President Abraham Lincoln. Led by Jefferson Davis and existing from 1861 to 1865, the Confederacy struggled for legitimacy and was never recognized as a sovereign nation.Aug 21, 2018


they LEFT the union and started their own country and then ATTACKED the Union.

treason
traitors

Actually the union started the war with it's occupation and reinforcement of territory belonging to the sovereign State of South Carolina.

Ft Sumter was United States territory

South Carolina was too until it succeeded and the land Ft. Sumpter sits on was and is most certainly a part that State. Also armed foreign presence in a major harbor constitutes a blockade which is itself an act of war. The Union was asked nicely to leave and was given time to do so. Instead Lincoln sent more troops into South Carolina which was another act of war.

The South had no Constitutional right to leave the Union. It takes an act of Congress to leave not a Unilateral decision by a state.

Exactly where is that written in the Constitution?

.

 

[9thIDdoc]

N

LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?

Not of "our past". Of the past. They lost.

It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?

"It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?"

the confederacy WAS ANOTHER COUNTRY!


The Confederate States of America was a collection of 11 states that seceded from the United States in 1860 following the election of President Abraham Lincoln. Led by Jefferson Davis and existing from 1861 to 1865, the Confederacy struggled for legitimacy and was never recognized as a sovereign nation.Aug 21, 2018


they LEFT the union and started their own country and then ATTACKED the Union.

treason
traitors

Actually the union started the war with it's occupation and reinforcement of territory belonging to the sovereign State of South Carolina.

Ft Sumter was United States territory

South Carolina was too until it succeeded and the land Ft. Sumpter sits on was and is most certainly a part that State. Also armed foreign presence in a major harbor constitutes a blockade which is itself an act of war. The Union was asked nicely to leave and was given time to do so. Instead Lincoln sent more troops into South Carolina which was another act of war.

The South had no Constitutional right to leave the Union. It takes an act of Congress to leave not a Unilateral decision by a state.

That was the opinion of many in the North. The opinion of many in the South was that any alignment voluntarily made can be (and was) voluntarily unmade. Do you know of anything in the Constitution that definitively addresses those opinions?

 

[anynameyouwish]

Why does our President support the racist, treasonous Confederate Flag?

Slick Willy flew the Stars and Bars over the State House while governor, so I assume you think he and Hitlery are both racist, right?

Hillary Clinton's 'Stars and Bars' Problem | Blaze Media

Where was Hillary Clinton and her call to remove the Confederate Flag during her time as first lady of Arkansas?

www.theblaze.com

Neither is President TODAY

Beside the point. The Confederacy does not exist today either. So what's your problem with the flag? Have you noticed that all 50 States have and fly flags of their own and probably all have had slavery one time or another? Hypocrisy.

I can understand wanting to keep the confederate flag alive for one's ancestry' s sake, my ancestors on my father's side were mostly confederates.... most were not slave owners, but so far in my ancestry search, I've found only 3 great great etc grandfather's that were... but most were just farmers, with no slaves....only their 8 to 12 children each, as their farm laborers.... but the men relatives still served in the Confederate States Army through being drafted...

But, and that's a big BUT.... What I have slowly realized over my decades, it's such a hurtful reminder of what human beings, that were slaves and the ancestors of today's African Americans, had to go through...

That flying flag is a sign to them, that they too are STILL thought of, as less than human beings....

And that's just unacceptable to me.... I want no part in a continuation of hurting them, even if simply their feelings.

Fine, if they don't like it then propose legislation to ban the flag and let everyone vote their feelings about it, but Ooops! those states and their legal systems were all created by evil slave owners and worse, the buildings fly the American flag, created by evil slave owners, and must abide by the US Constitution, which defined a black man as only three fifths of a white man, so legal channels are just too painful to pursue and black Americans have no choice but to ignore the law and just destroy the flags and monuments of the Confederacy when they are not too busy looting and burning Target stores.

Slavery was evil and were the Jim Crow laws, and black people were oppressed for much of our history, but they are no longer oppressed. Today, black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans and we have a plethora of laws, government agencies to protect those rights, so if seeing someone waving a confederate flag, even if he is a white supremacist makes them feel less than human, it is is not because the guy with the flag has any particular weight or influence but because evil Democrats are exploiting the insecurities of black people for their own political gain before an election. It is you, not the guy with the flag who is causing them pain.

Easier said than done...
It's hard to pick oneself up by their bootstraps, when they were barefoot a few hundred years, and had no shoes.

But they weren't. Those that whine the loudest about slavery have never been slaves and never even knew anybody that was a slave. They are no more whoever they think their ancestors might have been than anyone else is and may well have had slave owners in their family history. My ancestry is largely German. The Romans kept many Gothic slaves but I don't blame present day Italians for all my problems.

Interesting viewpoint if slavery was the end of oppression.
Most blacks can name people who were subjected to the follow up to slavery. Second class citizenship, denial of voting rights, denial of access to the judicial system, officially sanctioned terrorism

All of these issues have been addressed in the Civil Rights of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Civil Rights department at DoJ has been quite aggressive in addressing violations when they occur. Today black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans.

'All of these issues have been addressed in the Civil Rights of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Civil Rights department at DoJ has been quite aggressive in addressing violations when they occur. Today black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans.'

-

ok

from a legal perspective....

sounds great!

but in REAL LIFE:


- the white guy gets the job, not the black guy

- the white couple hires the white contractor, not the black contractor

- the white guy gets the promotion, not the black guy

- the white guy gets a slap on the wrist for pot possession, the black guy is arrested and faces jail time

- the white guy walks away from a parking violation, the black guy dies


that's why we talk about INSTITUTIONAL and SYSTEMIC......

you don't even see it.....

 

[anynameyouwish]

N

LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?

Not of "our past". Of the past. They lost.

It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?

"It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?"

the confederacy WAS ANOTHER COUNTRY!


The Confederate States of America was a collection of 11 states that seceded from the United States in 1860 following the election of President Abraham Lincoln. Led by Jefferson Davis and existing from 1861 to 1865, the Confederacy struggled for legitimacy and was never recognized as a sovereign nation.Aug 21, 2018


they LEFT the union and started their own country and then ATTACKED the Union.

treason
traitors

Actually the union started the war with it's occupation and reinforcement of territory belonging to the sovereign State of South Carolina.

Ft Sumter was United States territory

South Carolina was too until it succeeded and the land Ft. Sumpter sits on was and is most certainly a part that State. Also armed foreign presence in a major harbor constitutes a blockade which is itself an act of war. The Union was asked nicely to leave and was given time to do so. Instead Lincoln sent more troops into South Carolina which was another act of war.

The South had no Constitutional right to leave the Union. It takes an act of Congress to leave not a Unilateral decision by a state.

Exactly where is that written in the Constitution?

.

vague at best......

all up to your own interpretation.....

Secession in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jets]

Quell surprise.

The President supports the flag embraced by his reactionary base....

 

[toomuchtime_]

Why does our President support the racist, treasonous Confederate Flag?

Bullshit propaganda from the liar project, nothing but a bunch of commies.

.

Lincoln was not a commie
He was a REAL Republican

In fact, he was one of the first Republicans, but he was also a racist who was convinced black people were inferior to white people and that America would be better off if all the black people could be shipped to Africa. A lot like Biden who said in 2008 that Obama was the first clean bright African American he had seen running for office.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy"

Biden's description of Obama draws scrutiny - CNN.com

Of course Joe didn't mean that no other black candidates had failed to be clean or bright or articulate, he just meant Obama seemed to be more like a white man and that made Joe more comfortable with him. While many people were astonished that Obama chose Biden as his running mate after that very crass remark, it was probably Biden's bigotry expressed in that remark that got him the job. Obama/Axelrod understood that white voters didn't want a black president that seemed black but like Biden would be ok with a black president who seemed less black, and by choosing Biden Obama signaled that Joe's kind of racism was acceptable to him.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Why does our President support the racist, treasonous Confederate Flag?

Slick Willy flew the Stars and Bars over the State House while governor, so I assume you think he and Hitlery are both racist, right?

Hillary Clinton's 'Stars and Bars' Problem | Blaze Media

Where was Hillary Clinton and her call to remove the Confederate Flag during her time as first lady of Arkansas?

www.theblaze.com

Neither is President TODAY

Beside the point. The Confederacy does not exist today either. So what's your problem with the flag? Have you noticed that all 50 States have and fly flags of their own and probably all have had slavery one time or another? Hypocrisy.

I can understand wanting to keep the confederate flag alive for one's ancestry' s sake, my ancestors on my father's side were mostly confederates.... most were not slave owners, but so far in my ancestry search, I've found only 3 great great etc grandfather's that were... but most were just farmers, with no slaves....only their 8 to 12 children each, as their farm laborers.... but the men relatives still served in the Confederate States Army through being drafted...

But, and that's a big BUT.... What I have slowly realized over my decades, it's such a hurtful reminder of what human beings, that were slaves and the ancestors of today's African Americans, had to go through...

That flying flag is a sign to them, that they too are STILL thought of, as less than human beings....

And that's just unacceptable to me.... I want no part in a continuation of hurting them, even if simply their feelings.

Fine, if they don't like it then propose legislation to ban the flag and let everyone vote their feelings about it, but Ooops! those states and their legal systems were all created by evil slave owners and worse, the buildings fly the American flag, created by evil slave owners, and must abide by the US Constitution, which defined a black man as only three fifths of a white man, so legal channels are just too painful to pursue and black Americans have no choice but to ignore the law and just destroy the flags and monuments of the Confederacy when they are not too busy looting and burning Target stores.

Slavery was evil and were the Jim Crow laws, and black people were oppressed for much of our history, but they are no longer oppressed. Today, black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans and we have a plethora of laws, government agencies to protect those rights, so if seeing someone waving a confederate flag, even if he is a white supremacist makes them feel less than human, it is is not because the guy with the flag has any particular weight or influence but because evil Democrats are exploiting the insecurities of black people for their own political gain before an election. It is you, not the guy with the flag who is causing them pain.

Easier said than done...
It's hard to pick oneself up by their bootstraps, when they were barefoot a few hundred years, and had no shoes.

But they weren't. Those that whine the loudest about slavery have never been slaves and never even knew anybody that was a slave. They are no more whoever they think their ancestors might have been than anyone else is and may well have had slave owners in their family history. My ancestry is largely German. The Romans kept many Gothic slaves but I don't blame present day Italians for all my problems.

Interesting viewpoint if slavery was the end of oppression.
Most blacks can name people who were subjected to the follow up to slavery. Second class citizenship, denial of voting rights, denial of access to the judicial system, officially sanctioned terrorism

All of these issues have been addressed in the Civil Rights of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Civil Rights department at DoJ has been quite aggressive in addressing violations when they occur. Today black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans.

'All of these issues have been addressed in the Civil Rights of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Civil Rights department at DoJ has been quite aggressive in addressing violations when they occur. Today black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans.'

-

ok

from a legal perspective....

sounds great!

but in REAL LIFE:


- the white guy gets the job, not the black guy

- the white couple hires the white contractor, not the black contractor

- the white guy gets the promotion, not the black guy

- the white guy gets a slap on the wrist for pot possession, the black guy is arrested and faces jail time

- the white guy walks away from a parking violation, the black guy dies


that's why we talk about INSTITUTIONAL and SYSTEMIC......

you don't even see it.....

lol You don't see it either because institutional racism doesn't exist anymore in the US and systemic racism is a meaningless term if you don't state exactly what system you are talking about. You're just parroting words you don't understand, but here's the real reason black Americans earn less than other Americans:

"The 6-year graduation rate for first-time, full-time undergraduate students who began their pursuit of a bachelor’s degree at a 4-year degree-granting institution in fall 2010 was highest for Asian students (74 percent), followed by White students (64 percent), students of Two or more races (60 percent), Hispanic students (54 percent), Pacific Islander students (51 percent), Black students (40 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native students (39 percent)."

Indicator 23: Postsecondary Graduation Rates

nces.ed.gov

Today, young black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as everyone else, but as the link shows too few of them are taking advantage of those opportunities, still the graduation rates are improving and the black middle class is growing.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Why does our President support the racist, treasonous Confederate Flag?

Slick Willy flew the Stars and Bars over the State House while governor, so I assume you think he and Hitlery are both racist, right?

Hillary Clinton's 'Stars and Bars' Problem | Blaze Media

Where was Hillary Clinton and her call to remove the Confederate Flag during her time as first lady of Arkansas?

www.theblaze.com

Neither is President TODAY

Beside the point. The Confederacy does not exist today either. So what's your problem with the flag? Have you noticed that all 50 States have and fly flags of their own and probably all have had slavery one time or another? Hypocrisy.

I can understand wanting to keep the confederate flag alive for one's ancestry' s sake, my ancestors on my father's side were mostly confederates.... most were not slave owners, but so far in my ancestry search, I've found only 3 great great etc grandfather's that were... but most were just farmers, with no slaves....only their 8 to 12 children each, as their farm laborers.... but the men relatives still served in the Confederate States Army through being drafted...

But, and that's a big BUT.... What I have slowly realized over my decades, it's such a hurtful reminder of what human beings, that were slaves and the ancestors of today's African Americans, had to go through...

That flying flag is a sign to them, that they too are STILL thought of, as less than human beings....

And that's just unacceptable to me.... I want no part in a continuation of hurting them, even if simply their feelings.

Fine, if they don't like it then propose legislation to ban the flag and let everyone vote their feelings about it, but Ooops! those states and their legal systems were all created by evil slave owners and worse, the buildings fly the American flag, created by evil slave owners, and must abide by the US Constitution, which defined a black man as only three fifths of a white man, so legal channels are just too painful to pursue and black Americans have no choice but to ignore the law and just destroy the flags and monuments of the Confederacy when they are not too busy looting and burning Target stores.

Slavery was evil and were the Jim Crow laws, and black people were oppressed for much of our history, but they are no longer oppressed. Today, black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans and we have a plethora of laws, government agencies to protect those rights, so if seeing someone waving a confederate flag, even if he is a white supremacist makes them feel less than human, it is is not because the guy with the flag has any particular weight or influence but because evil Democrats are exploiting the insecurities of black people for their own political gain before an election. It is you, not the guy with the flag who is causing them pain.

Easier said than done...
It's hard to pick oneself up by their bootstraps, when they were barefoot a few hundred years, and had no shoes.

But they weren't. Those that whine the loudest about slavery have never been slaves and never even knew anybody that was a slave. They are no more whoever they think their ancestors might have been than anyone else is and may well have had slave owners in their family history. My ancestry is largely German. The Romans kept many Gothic slaves but I don't blame present day Italians for all my problems.

Interesting viewpoint if slavery was the end of oppression.
Most blacks can name people who were subjected to the follow up to slavery. Second class citizenship, denial of voting rights, denial of access to the judicial system, officially sanctioned terrorism

All of these issues have been addressed in the Civil Rights of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Civil Rights department at DoJ has been quite aggressive in addressing violations when they occur. Today black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans.

'All of these issues have been addressed in the Civil Rights of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Civil Rights department at DoJ has been quite aggressive in addressing violations when they occur. Today black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans.'

-

ok

from a legal perspective....

sounds great!

but in REAL LIFE:


- the white guy gets the job, not the black guy

- the white couple hires the white contractor, not the black contractor

- the white guy gets the promotion, not the black guy

- the white guy gets a slap on the wrist for pot possession, the black guy is arrested and faces jail time

- the white guy walks away from a parking violation, the black guy dies


that's why we talk about INSTITUTIONAL and SYSTEMIC......

you don't even see it.....

Maybe people can't see it because it ain't there. Equality under the law is all anybody of any race can hope for or have. Laws can't won't and shouldn't change personal opinion. And the same is just a true for blacks as anyone else. People make decisions based on their personal opinions and that is also true all races. You don't influence anyone's personal opinion favorably by burning down their house. If you think otherwise you are simply deluding yourself or trying to fool someone else. Temper tantrums do not make a child more lovable to anyone.

 

[OKTexas]

N

LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?

Not of "our past". Of the past. They lost.

It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?

"It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?"

the confederacy WAS ANOTHER COUNTRY!


The Confederate States of America was a collection of 11 states that seceded from the United States in 1860 following the election of President Abraham Lincoln. Led by Jefferson Davis and existing from 1861 to 1865, the Confederacy struggled for legitimacy and was never recognized as a sovereign nation.Aug 21, 2018


they LEFT the union and started their own country and then ATTACKED the Union.

treason
traitors

Actually the union started the war with it's occupation and reinforcement of territory belonging to the sovereign State of South Carolina.

Ft Sumter was United States territory

South Carolina was too until it succeeded and the land Ft. Sumpter sits on was and is most certainly a part that State. Also armed foreign presence in a major harbor constitutes a blockade which is itself an act of war. The Union was asked nicely to leave and was given time to do so. Instead Lincoln sent more troops into South Carolina which was another act of war.

The South had no Constitutional right to leave the Union. It takes an act of Congress to leave not a Unilateral decision by a state.

Exactly where is that written in the Constitution?

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vague at best......

all up to your own interpretation.....

Secession in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actually it not there at all, several States conditioned their ratification, so they could leave the union if it stopped being the entity they agreed to. Which it did and continues to be, the federation that was agreed to ceased to exist, the federal government was always to be subservient to the States, not their overlord.

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[9thIDdoc]

Quell surprise.

The President supports the flag embraced by his reactionary base....

Which is exactly why he was elected. If you have a problem with that you have a problem with them and they have a problem with you. Called division.

 

[Jets]

Quell surprise.

The President supports the flag embraced by his reactionary base....

Which is exactly why he was elected. If you have a problem with that you have a problem with them and they have a problem with you. Called division.

No, they have the problem. They lost the civil war and more than likely their mossback President.

 

[9thIDdoc]

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LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?

Not of "our past". Of the past. They lost.

It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?

"It is part of OUR past you stupid fuck. Or was the confederacy in another Country?"

the confederacy WAS ANOTHER COUNTRY!


The Confederate States of America was a collection of 11 states that seceded from the United States in 1860 following the election of President Abraham Lincoln. Led by Jefferson Davis and existing from 1861 to 1865, the Confederacy struggled for legitimacy and was never recognized as a sovereign nation.Aug 21, 2018


they LEFT the union and started their own country and then ATTACKED the Union.

treason
traitors

Actually the union started the war with it's occupation and reinforcement of territory belonging to the sovereign State of South Carolina.

Ft Sumter was United States territory

South Carolina was too until it succeeded and the land Ft. Sumpter sits on was and is most certainly a part that State. Also armed foreign presence in a major harbor constitutes a blockade which is itself an act of war. The Union was asked nicely to leave and was given time to do so. Instead Lincoln sent more troops into South Carolina which was another act of war.

The South had no Constitutional right to leave the Union. It takes an act of Congress to leave not a Unilateral decision by a state.

You are stating your opinion. Can show that was what the Constitution stated in 1860? There are all sorts of different opinions.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Quell surprise.

The President supports the flag embraced by his reactionary base....

Which is exactly why he was elected. If you have a problem with that you have a problem with them and they have a problem with you. Called division.

No, they have the problem. They lost the civil war and more than likely their mossback President.

Clueless.

 

[Jets]

Quell surprise.

The President supports the flag embraced by his reactionary base....

Which is exactly why he was elected. If you have a problem with that you have a problem with them and they have a problem with you. Called division.

No, they have the problem. They lost the civil war and more than likely their mossback President.

Clueless.

Funny movie. Not sure if it applies to this discussion.