toomuchtime_
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Easier said than done...
Slick Willy flew the Stars and Bars over the State House while governor, so I assume you think he and Hitlery are both racist, right?
Hillary Clinton's 'Stars and Bars' Problem | Blaze Media
Where was Hillary Clinton and her call to remove the Confederate Flag during her time as first lady of Arkansas?www.theblaze.com
Neither is President TODAY
Beside the point. The Confederacy does not exist today either. So what's your problem with the flag? Have you noticed that all 50 States have and fly flags of their own and probably all have had slavery one time or another? Hypocrisy.
I can understand wanting to keep the confederate flag alive for one's ancestry' s sake, my ancestors on my father's side were mostly confederates.... most were not slave owners, but so far in my ancestry search, I've found only 3 great great etc grandfather's that were... but most were just farmers, with no slaves....only their 8 to 12 children each, as their farm laborers.... but the men relatives still served in the Confederate States Army through being drafted...
But, and that's a big BUT.... What I have slowly realized over my decades, it's such a hurtful reminder of what human beings, that were slaves and the ancestors of today's African Americans, had to go through...
That flying flag is a sign to them, that they too are STILL thought of, as less than human beings....
And that's just unacceptable to me.... I want no part in a continuation of hurting them, even if simply their feelings.
Fine, if they don't like it then propose legislation to ban the flag and let everyone vote their feelings about it, but Ooops! those states and their legal systems were all created by evil slave owners and worse, the buildings fly the American flag, created by evil slave owners, and must abide by the US Constitution, which defined a black man as only three fifths of a white man, so legal channels are just too painful to pursue and black Americans have no choice but to ignore the law and just destroy the flags and monuments of the Confederacy when they are not too busy looting and burning Target stores.
Slavery was evil and were the Jim Crow laws, and black people were oppressed for much of our history, but they are no longer oppressed. Today, black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans and we have a plethora of laws, government agencies to protect those rights, so if seeing someone waving a confederate flag, even if he is a white supremacist makes them feel less than human, it is is not because the guy with the flag has any particular weight or influence but because evil Democrats are exploiting the insecurities of black people for their own political gain before an election. It is you, not the guy with the flag who is causing them pain.
It's hard to pick oneself up by their bootstraps, when they were barefoot a few hundred years, and had no shoes.
Nonsense, we are a nation of immigrants. People came here with nothing who didn't even speak the language and the next generation flourished. Black people are being held back by people like you who tell them they are still oppressed and have no opportunities because some guy is carrying a flag.
I think the criminal tearing down of statues is wrong... They should legally be removed, in places where the statues were put up, with no local history behind them.... but the true history of these confederate officers belong in a museum, or on the grounds of historical battlefields, such as Gettysburg.... with historical reference.
I think the issue of the monuments should be put on the ballot case by case and let the voters decide. The facts that slavery and the Jim Crow laws once existed here are irrelevant to the conditions under which black Americans live today.
The last generation that lived during Jim Crow are mostly still alive today, and their children and grand children, are alive today as well.... who would have been disadvantaged from their parents living through it.... it's not in the distant past of distant relatives... as many seem to think.... it was the mid 1960s when the Johnson presidency civil rights act passed.....
Yes, they are struggling, and certainly in many inner cities, have criminality problems...from my outsider view... but.... I'm not so certain what society has done to help them, is helping all of them.... more policing isn't getting to the root of their problems and struggles, nor is a welfare check.... those are simply bandaids.... in my perspective as an outsider..... But there are plenty of successful black professionals that managed to make it out of the hardships in these areas, who could be great mentors or people who can give advise to legislators etc... And others within the communities who are tired of the crime, and afraid for their children and grandchildren, including the fear of cops, harming them...who can identify first hand, what changes could be helpful.
What you are saying basically is that young black people are being held back by their own culture and their own community leaders, and I couldn't agree more. Whatever may have happened to their grandparents or great grandparents, today young black Americans have all the same rights and opportunities as other Americans but they take advantage of them at a much lower rate.
"The 6-year graduation rate for first-time, full-time undergraduate students who began their pursuit of a bachelor’s degree at a 4-year degree-granting institution in fall 2010 was highest for Asian students (74 percent), followed by White students (64 percent), students of Two or more races (60 percent), Hispanic students (54 percent), Pacific Islander students (51 percent), Black students (40 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native students (39 percent)."
Indicator 23: Postsecondary Graduation Rates
nces.ed.gov
What they don't need is people like you telling them they are so damaged by history that there is no point in trying to take advantage of the opportunities lying before them.
